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post #121 of 134
8/8/10 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by nykumar View Post

Why do people make such a big deal about a CDMA/GSM hybrid phone? There are several BB phones available on Verizon which also have a slot for a SIM card for the times you travel outside the US.

Those Verizon worldphones are voice-only on GSM networks. No 3G (HSPA) data. They're dumbphones outside of the United States.

People make a big deal about a possible CDMA/3G hybrid phone because they want to see a Verizon smartphone do data in places like Europe, or maybe switch to a GSM/UTMS carrier in North America. Not going to happen from Apple though, at least not in the near future.

Their only hope is a CDMA/LTE handset if LTE is widely deployed internationally. Verizon will maintain a CDMA network for 10+ years to support legacy devices.
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post #122 of 134
8/8/10 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Thats how I would expect Qualcomm to advertise their chips. They need to build on CDMA/EV-DO/LTE or CDMA/EV-DO/UMTS/LTE. One thing to note is that article is 6 months before Qualcomm officially announced dropping UMB, the head-to-head competitor to LTE for 4G tech.

Yeah it's an old article, but my searches weren't answering my questions about what they are actually doing today.

My musing stemmed from the possibility that Qualcomm might have quite a good chip spanning CDMA and UMTS needs - and lead to an option that truly did bridge both systems for Apple (instead of releasing 2 different phones).

I believe that a UMTS phone (without 2G GSM) would work fine in Australia on Telstra, but Vodafone & Optus drop back to 2G quite often as they are using 2100Mhz for 3G (and Telecom NZ has no GSM at all). More to the point - AT&T drops back to 2G GSM. So GSM support is a must in the iPhone.

On another (possibly unrelated?) note.. since LTE doesn't do voice yet, I wonder if there's any feasibility of seeing an iPod Touch with LTE (data only) support, ready for both AT&T & Verizon.
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post #123 of 134
8/8/10 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post

Foxconn starts construction any day now on a second iDevice plant. So I suppose they can be fully operational by December given the massive amount of person power they can quickly put to work in China. Awesome people management skills there.I stand corrected.

In any event, I sure as heck wouldn't want a CDMA nor a Verizon iPhone. Hope it's not a nightmare for Apple. Wonder how a CDMA iPhone will be able to perform internationally? New hybrid design with sleeping GSM on board?

Smells like trouble to me, but then we are still only in the perpetual rumor zone on this subject. I trust Apple to have an effective plan that will make the seemingly impossible work well. I just doubt Verizon's ability to perform their Role the Apple Way as AT&T has done so well these past 3 years.

For me, Verizon's willingness to actively try to end Net Neutrality with Google puts them on my s##t list of companies I would never do business with and which should be boycotted by all sentient beings. AT&T is a superior service provider that deserves our loyalty as the charter US iPhone carrier who followed Steve after Verizon told him to shove it. Why should we forgive them for that? I say NEVER FORGIVE VERIZON for thumbing their noses at Steve 4 years ago.

They do not believe in, nor will ever be, the Apple Way.

The iPhone is locked for AT&T, so here's how it performs internationally on GSM: poorly. You are still going to have to pay an arm and a leg for international calls. Most people don't buy a phone with the intention of going overseas. And if you're in business, you have a blackberry. You're better off just finding a wifi hotspot and using VOIP for 2 cents/minute. Also MANY CDMA PHONES HAVE A SIM SLOT NOT A BIG DEAL!

AT&T is a superior service provider that deserves our loyalty?? Are you shitting me? On what grounds does refusing to carry a cell phone make you evil? Thumbing your nose at the almighty Steve is an unforgivable act? This just in, maybe Verizon didn't think the iPhone would be that successful and maybe they didn't want to have a clogged up data network or maybe they didn't want to pay Apple $10/month/phone like AT&T did for the beginning of their deal!

Maybe Verizon didn't give a fark what Apple wanted because they are the market leader, and Apple IS NOT.

What the hell is the Apple Way, and why do you capitalize it?



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post #124 of 134
8/9/10 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

I believe that a UMTS phone (without 2G GSM) would work fine in Australia on Telstra, but Vodafone & Optus drop back to 2G quite often as they are using 2100Mhz for 3G (and Telecom NZ has no GSM at all). More to the point - AT&T drops back to 2G GSM. So GSM support is a must in the iPhone.

Nope.

There is no GSM network in South Korea. The iPhone's voice service runs exclusively on UTMS there, no GSM to fall back on. GSM is helpful in markets that have larger GSM networks than UTMS networks, but there is no technical requirement for GSM. The iPhone isn't unique this way. Most UTMS handsets are dual-mode GSM/UTMS devices simply due to network evolution.

Nice try though.
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post #125 of 134
8/9/10 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Nope.

There is no GSM network in South Korea. The iPhone's voice service runs exclusively on UTMS there, no GSM to fall back on. GSM is helpful in markets that have larger GSM networks than UTMS networks, but there is no technical requirement for GSM. The iPhone isn't unique this way. Most UTMS handsets are dual-mode GSM/UTMS devices simply due to network evolution.

Nice try though.

Nope? Nice try? He clearly stated that a "UMTS phone (without 2G GSM) would work fine and I dont see any mention of S. Korea requiring GSM so Im not sure where your objection is coming from.
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post #126 of 134
8/9/10 at 1:06am
i couldnt wait for the white, so I got a black one. a friend will get the white one and swap it for me when it comes out...so can you just swap sim cards and everything is fine? or is there something else that needs to be done? of course I know to backup my data first..

anyone?
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post #127 of 134
8/9/10 at 1:41am
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Originally Posted by crift2012 View Post

i couldnt wait for the white, so I got a black one. a friend will get the white one and swap it for me when it comes out...so can you just swap sim cards and everything is fine? or is there something else that needs to be done? of course I know to backup my data first..

anyone?

You're gonna have to call AT&T and give them your new IMEI number which can be found in Settings>General>About.
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post #128 of 134
8/9/10 at 4:57am
If the iPhone goes to another carrier in the US it WILL BE ANNOUNCED BY STEVE HIMSELF AT AN APPLE KEYNOTE. No way he would let a wireless carrier announce it, especially at CES.

Second the likely scenario is that the VZW CEO at CES will be there to announce and show off the Android tablet for VZW. I would bet money that is what will be announced at CES in 2011. Any takers?

The iPhone has a much better chance at getting on with T-Mobile here in the states than it does with VZW. That combo makes sense tech wise and falls in line with what Apple has done at adding worldwide carriers (all GSM) supporting the same technology found in the iPhone.
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post #129 of 134
8/9/10 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Proof positive that (for some) Ignorance Is Truly Bliss.

Android is shit



http://www.flickr.com/photos/hill60/...7624311740988/

See my shitty Android toys.

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post #130 of 134
8/9/10 at 6:09am
Yea well Verizon would do a better job then AT&T
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post #131 of 134
8/9/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by akhomerun View Post

The iPhone is locked for AT&T, so here's how it performs internationally on GSM: poorly. You are still going to have to pay an arm and a leg for international calls. Most people don't buy a phone with the intention of going overseas. And if you're in business, you have a blackberry. You're better off just finding a wifi hotspot and using VOIP for 2 cents/minute. Also MANY CDMA PHONES HAVE A SIM SLOT NOT A BIG DEAL!

AT&T is a superior service provider that deserves our loyalty?? Are you shitting me? On what grounds does refusing to carry a cell phone make you evil? Thumbing your nose at the almighty Steve is an unforgivable act? This just in, maybe Verizon didn't think the iPhone would be that successful and maybe they didn't want to have a clogged up data network or maybe they didn't want to pay Apple $10/month/phone like AT&T did for the beginning of their deal!

Maybe Verizon didn't give a fark what Apple wanted because they are the market leader, and Apple IS NOT.

What the hell is the Apple Way, and why do you capitalize it?



UUUGUGHHH sorry to flame you but screw it it's the internet


Some people think Apple is a religion. Jobs is the prophet. The iPhone and other products are the sacred clothing, books, rituals, etc. If the prophet is rejected that person/company is evil. I am sure Multimedia thinks Verizon and all their users will be doomed to spent an eternity in hell for their sins.
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post #132 of 134
8/9/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Call me when Apple and Verizon have a joint press conference.

I wish they'd STFU about the gawddamnned Verizon iPhone already. Geez, it's like, like... Walt Mossberg sums it up nicely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r7JTSSW7P0

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post #133 of 134
8/9/10 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Then again, all those rumored CDMA chips could be for a Verizon 3G iPad...

Maybe...

The latest leak for Verizon's roadmap states that it's looking at bringing in two tablets, but both are Android-powered. Is it possible that a Verizon iPad is in the works? Sure. But it seems unlikely.
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post #134 of 134
8/9/10 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Android is shit



http://www.flickr.com/photos/hill60/...7624311740988/

See my shitty Android toys.

... and from the (lack of) 'quality' of that pic - So's Your Camera
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