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Yet I own an iPad and my view of it remain the same. For me its a toy.

"If someone is going to bash Android at least make sure you have used an Android phone for more then 10 mins."

Yet you hadn't even put your hands on the device when you were running your mouth. Hypocrite.

And in this case, please tell me how long have I played with an Android phone. Otherwise, you're talking out of the side of your neck again.
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Getting the iPhone would be the only reason I would switch to Verizon. IMO, their entire smartphone line-up is inferior. I'd rather have an iPhone on AT&T's crappy network, than have a crappy phone on Verizon's network. "But you can customize an Android."... LOL, awesome!

and malware, get to share all your contacts with the world.....good times good times
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"If someone is going to bash Android at least make sure you have used an Android phone for more then 10 mins."

Yet you hadn't even put your hands on the device when you were running your mouth. Hypocrite.

And in this case, please tell me how long have I played with an Android phone. Otherwise, you're talking out of the side of your neck again.

great point....so i did went to a verizon kiosk and held two....just like apple said not to, didn't take 3 minutes to see the difference....can't customize the signal loss....i asked the guy....he said
are you waiting for it.....he said "try holding it like this..." no joke..that's what he said.......its a joke

so tell me why i should switch....the apple universe is what makes me stay
now if the android universe was as capable i'd consider it

can android sync automatically my notes/ to do list with my wife?
thats the only real deficiency i find in my present iphone 3g, and mine is still better than the android this guy shows me.....compared to a 3g and i can't talk and surf at the same time.

they are two gens behind ha ha
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post #84 of 153
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"If someone is going to bash Android at least make sure you have used an Android phone for more then 10 mins."

Yet you hadn't even put your hands on the device when you were running your mouth. Hypocrite.

And in this case, please tell me how long have I played with an Android phone. Otherwise, you're talking out of the side of your neck again.

I'm on an Evo right now. And I own an iPad. And a ton of Apple stock.
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I'm on an Evo right now. And I own an iPad. And a ton of Apple stock.

if 4g was in my area.....now that would turn my neck

what kind of speeds do you get in real life?
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I wish this rumour would die already. A Verizon iPhone - which, btw, wouldn't even have the option of a carrier unlock and would only be ever sold with Verizon, a large but limited market - has been set for a guaranteed at least a dozen times since release.

I agree. Apple's been pretty clear about the one-size-fits-all. I mean, if they were gonna make a CDMA phone, they would have bent for China as well, which was a 3 fold increase in market size. If they didn't do it for 450 million customers, I don't see them doing it for 80 million. Everyone says they have proof but no one thinks about philosophy. Is Apple really the company to make two phones and troubleshoot for both? Aren't they the ones that make one device that works everywhere? Besides, only Verizon uses CDMA. Not many other providers outside America use it.
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if 4g was in my area.....now that would turn my neck

what kind of speeds do you get in real life?

With 4G my average is around 4.2 in a solid 4G area. The one thing I like best about the Evo is is takes full advantage of my wifi which so far is the only smartphone that I can get to speed test over 20mbps.

Also the Evo got Android 2.2 last week which has worked well so far. Also puts the Steve Jobs myth aside that Flash 10.1 can't run well on a smartphone.
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I mean, if they were gonna make a CDMA phone, they would have bent for China as well, which was a 3 fold increase in market size. If they didn't do it for 450 million customers, I don't see them doing it for 80 million.

Are you just fraking with us by repeating this nonsense?
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. The one thing I like best about the Evo is is takes full advantage of my wifi which so far is the only smartphone that I can get to speed test over 20mbps.

Welcome to the club.



The fastest I've been able to get on AT&T is 3.1 mb.

Flash? Never heard of that one.
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With 4G my average is around 4.2 in a solid 4G area. The one thing I like best about the Evo is is takes full advantage of my wifi which so far is the only smartphone that I can get to speed test over 20mbps.

Also the Evo got Android 2.2 last week which has worked well so far. Also puts the Steve Jobs myth aside that Flash 10.1 can't run well on a smartphone.

1) Do you keep 4G on all the time or only when you need it due to the battery drain?

2) Have you checked the testing and review sites to see what the max is for the EVO on 802.11g and n? From why I've read the iPhone 4 still beats other smartphones with 802.11b/g/n chips despite having a lower CPU clock by an estimated 25%. In any case, all are great for a phone in 2010.
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Brian Klug of Anandtech has retested using a methodology similar to ours. *They used PDFs instead of MP3s which might actually be better because iPhones web browser seems to be more aggressive at downloading. *Theyve now managed to get their iPhone 4 to pull 24 Mbps downstream in 802.11g mode and 29.6 Mbps in 802.11n mode. *That is as fast as one can expect from an 802.11g network but the iPhone 4 falls short of the 70-80 Mbps you can get on an 802.11n enabled notebook or netbook. *However, the iPhone 4 seems to be much faster than the Google Nexus One in this round of testing. *The Nexus One only managed to pull an average of 14.4 Mbps in 802.11n mode and peak at 20 Mbps.

3) I'd like to see these tests of Flash running well on Android. EVERY review and demo I've seen shows it causing slow page load times, wonky page scrolling, and a major drain on your battery. And that's on 1GHz CPUs with 512MB RAM, but worst of all it's August 2010 and this promise of Flash on all smartphones (sans the iPhone) is still not even close to being a reality. When Apple is the only holdout an their is negliable page load times and battery drain then Flash can claim a victory, but seeing as Flash the desktop is still not capable of resving these issues I am not holding my breath.
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I agree. Apple's been pretty clear about the one-size-fits-all. I mean, if they were gonna make a CDMA phone, they would have bent for China as well, which was a 3 fold increase in market size. If they didn't do it for 450 million customers, I don't see them doing it for 80 million. Everyone says they have proof but no one thinks about philosophy. Is Apple really the company to make two phones and troubleshoot for both? Aren't they the ones that make one device that works everywhere? Besides, only Verizon uses CDMA. Not many other providers outside America use it.

Here's a list of the 3 China carriers:




Apple has a deal with #2 China Unicom with 147 million subs

The current iPhone will not run on #3 China Telecom with 65 million subs-- it requires a CDMA phone

Apple is in endless negations with #1 China Mobile with 538 million subs -- it could use the current iPhone

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Absolutely wrong. CDMA is used by at least one of the Chinese networks and several other networks around the world. Nowhere near as many as GSM, but many millions of potential customers.

For example:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/05/...ion_technology
"A Sprint CDMA phone should work in most of Central and South America and the Caribbean along with New Zealand, Indonesia, China and Taiwan, South Korea, India, Israel, Thailand, and a few U.S. territories."

They are in the process of shutting down the NZ CDMA-One network.
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1) Do you keep 4G on all the time or only when you need it due to the battery drain?

2) Have you checked the testing and review sites to see what the max is for the EVO on 802.11g and n? From why I've read the iPhone 4 still beats other smartphones with 802.11b/g/n chips despite having a lower CPU clock by an estimated 25%. In any case, all are great for a phone in 2010.


3) I'd like to see these tests of Flash running well on Android. EVERY review and demo I've seen shows it causing slow page load times, wonky page scrolling, and a major drain on your battery. And that's on 1GHz CPUs with 512MB RAM, but worst of all it's August 2010 and this promise of Flash on all smartphones (sans the iPhone) is still not even close to being a reality. When Apple is the only holdout an their is negliable page load times and battery drain then Flash can claim a victory, but seeing as Flash the desktop is still not capable of resving these issues I am not holding my breath.

I know the 4G areas so I only turn it on when I know I am in 4G coverage.

Depending on my location (distance from my router) I get anywhere from 15-22mbps on my Evo. However I will say that distance is sometimes an issue with the Evo, which I still believe if software related.

My daughter has an iPhone and the best she can get using the same speedtest that I do is about 6-8mbps.

Which really isn't a major issue if you are getting over 6mbps.

I haven't had any load issue with Flash so far but we all know its demanding on the battery. The HTC update before 2.2 greatly improved battery life.

With 2.2 the biggest issue was not Flash but a bug in the new facebook app which was causing a major battery life issue.

For me its about having the option to live with less battery life if I want to view Flash content. Which has always been my issue with Apple in regards to the iPad.

I see Flash issue this way. As Android continues to increase in market share Adobe will either wise up and continue to try and improve Flash or it will die on Android also. However to me its unacceptable for a multi function Tablet not to have the ability to run Flash.

I agree with you when it comes to smartphones the hit on the battery may never be a valid trade off but I feel the iPad has the size to increase the hardware specs to make Flash 10.1 run well. Which may never be the case with smartphones due to size limitations.
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Welcome to the club.



The fastest I've been able to get on AT&T is 3.1 mb.

Flash? Never heard of that one.

Here's the faster of 4 tests on my iP4.

They were all over 10 mb download and 1.41 upload.

Notice: only 2 bars-- must be the superior iP4 antenna that delivers decent speeds with only 2 bars

Distance from the router didn't seem to make a difference!

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I can't find a WiFi performance test for the EVO 4G on AnandTech's site but this is has the Nexus One with Froyo. I have to assume it's been tweaked since these tests because that is pretty bad.

PS: Froyo is an absolutely brilliant update to Android over 2.1 that I have some trouble believing those results aren't from 2.1.


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Welcome to the club.

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The fastest I've been able to get on AT&T is 3.1 mb.

Flash? Never heard of that one.

I've seen some users getting 5.x Mb/s on AT&T's network at times. Regardless, at these rates I don't think getting 3, 4 or 5 Mb/s on a phone isn't as important as the power it uses to access to make that happen. There is no '4G' tech that can even come close to the power efficency of HS*PA for a similar speed. Verizon will have the same issue, too. This gives AT&T and T-Mobile USA several years before they will have to play catch up to Verizon's network speed maxs for their handsets.
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I stand corrected: I guess AT&T has been working on their network.



3G
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Welcome to the club.



The fastest I've been able to get on AT&T is 3.1 mb.

Flash? Never heard of that one.

Is that on an iPHone 4? We don't have one yet. My daughters iPhone is a 3Gs. Flash now works on my Evo with 2.2 but like I was telling Solip its not exactly ready for primetime when it comes to smartphones. Battery takes a pretty hard hit when viewing Flash content.

ATT certainly has a fast 3G network if you are in a good area. Living in Atlanta I have never had an issue with any carrier because the coverage is solid with Verizon, ATT and Sprint.

I would say with 3g I am only around 2mb with my Evo.

For me Android is just something I wanted to give a try. So far its been a mixed bag, some things I like and others Apple is light years ahead in my opinion.
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I can't find a WiFi performance test for the EVO 4G on AnandTech's site but this is has the Nexus One with Froyo. I have to assume it's been tweaked since these tests because that is pretty bad.



I've seen some users getting 5.x Mb/s on AT&T's network at times. Regardless, at these rates I don't think getting 3, 4 or 5 Mb/s on a phone isn't as important as the power it uses to access to make that happen. There is no '4G' tech that can even come close to the power efficency of HS*PA for a similar speed. Verizon will have the same issue, too. This gives AT&T and T-Mobile USA several years before they will have to play catch up to Verizon's network speed maxs for their handsets.

I can verify the iPad numbers are right there. I get about 29-32mbps using my linksys 3000 dual band router.

Based on your chart I would say the Evo slightly above the iPhone 3GS using wireless g. I could be wrong but I believe the Evo has ability to use wireless N but for some reason the protocol is disabled. To turn it on you have to root your phone. However I have to say I have never seen our iPhone 3GS hit those numbers using G.
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Is that on an iPHone 4? We don't have one yet. My daughters iPhone is a 3Gs. Flash now works on my Evo with 2.2 but like I was telling Solip its not exactly ready for primetime when it comes to smartphones. Battery takes a pretty hard hit when viewing Flash content.

ATT certainly has a fast 3G network if you are in a good area. Living in Atlanta I have never had an issue with any carrier because the coverage is solid with Verizon, ATT and Sprint.

I would say with 3g I am only around 2mb with my Evo.

For me Android is just something I wanted to give a try. So far its been a mixed bag, some things I like and others Apple is light years ahead in my opinion.

Yeah, that's the iPhone 4. My 3GS could only muster about 15 mb. I've gotten over 30 on my iPad.
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That wasn't the comment any of us were taking about

So what. Your refrain is old. And boring. Like DaHarder's.

Surprise us, guys.
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Notice: only 2 bars-- must be the superior iP4 antenna that delivers decent speeds with only 2 bars

LOL I can get great WiFi speeds even with no bars from AT&T. Crazy¡

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For me Android is just something I wanted to give a try. So far its been a mixed bag, some things I like and others Apple is light years ahead in my opinion.

I think we can agree the iPhone is still best smartphone for the typical consumer and that you got an Android phone with their best OS release. Froyo is a very impressive upgrade over 2.1. I'm sure if that says more about how good 2.2 is or how bad 2.1 was but the end result is very impressive results that put Apple's JS benchmarks to shame. Other things are harder to directly compare.
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Is that on an iPHone 4? We don't have one yet. My daughters iPhone is a 3Gs. Flash now works on my Evo with 2.2 but like I was telling Solip its not exactly ready for primetime when it comes to smartphones. Battery takes a pretty hard hit when viewing Flash content.

ATT certainly has a fast 3G network if you are in a good area. Living in Atlanta I have never had an issue with any carrier because the coverage is solid with Verizon, ATT and Sprint.

I would say with 3g I am only around 2mb with my Evo.

For me Android is just something I wanted to give a try. So far its been a mixed bag, some things I like and others Apple is light years ahead in my opinion.

How do you guys afford to try all these various Android phones? Don't ETFs kill you? AT&T has a family plan where additional iPhones are at a reduced base rate (data is still the same).

To educate myself, I would be willing to try an Android phone-- but I just can't justify the additional cost & 2 year tie-in.

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LOL I can get great WiFi speeds even with no bars from AT&T. Crazy¡

Woosh! It runs even faster w/o a SIM card to slow it down!

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Yeah, that's the iPhone 4. My 3GS could only muster about 15 mb. I've gotten over 30 on my iPad.

Yeah my iPad will hit 30. My daughter keeps wanting to wait until the white iPhones are available. I thinnk she might have to give up on that and settle for black.
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So what. Your refrain is old. And boring. Like DaHarder's.

Surprise us, guys.

We are talking about technology. If you can't handle that then stay out of the conversation.
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I think we can agree the iPhone is still best smartphone for the typical consumer and that you got an Android phone with their best OS release. Froyo is a very impressive upgrade over 2.1. I'm sure if that says more about how good 2.2 is or how bad 2.1 was but the end result is very impressive results that put Apple's JS benchmarks to shame. Other things are harder to directly compare.

Yeah I did get lucky with 2.2 and honestly if you had asked me two weeks ago I would have told you I am not holding my breath when it comes to the update.

While this may very well be a first I have to agree with Quadra that fragmentation is hurting the Android experience. Also Google really needs to get their shit together when it comes to how Apps are purchased and managed.

ITunes has become somewhat bloated but I am not sure what is a better solution for Apple. There may not be one.
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Yeah my iPad will hit 30. My daughter keeps wanting to wait until the white iPhones are available. I thinnk she might have to give up on that and settle for black.

The fabled White iPhone 4 (which is white because of the use of exotic Unicorn horn shavings) will out-fabulous the black one, the Evo, and the Droid X, possibly even the iPad.
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Yeah my iPad will hit 30. My daughter keeps wanting to wait until the white iPhones are available. I thinnk she might have to give up on that and settle for black.

I wanted the white one too, but I couldn't wait.

I've placed my iPhone 4's sim card into my iPad just to see how it would work. Not bad, but tethering is so much easier, though. Make sure you try that when she gets it.

Oh, it's a shame handylight was pulled from the app store, it's such a wonderful app.

If anyone missed out, send me a pm.
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We are talking about technology. If you can't handle that then stay out of the conversation.

Exactly what technology are you taking about?

It's all all just a bunch of impressionistic data points -- with a dollop of your biases -- that are being thrown around.

Wake me up when this gets to be a serious technology conversation.
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How do you guys afford to try all these various Android phones? Don't ETFs kill you? AT&T has a family plan where additional iPhones are at a reduced base rate (data is still the same).

To educate myself, I would be willing to try an Android phone-- but I just can't justify the additional cost & 2 year tie-in.

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I have the advantage of working for IBM. Most of the stuff I get I simply ask for, its one of the perks of being oncall 24x7 and having 20+ years with the same company.

Right now IBM at least in the Southeast works with both Verizon and Sprint. I believe we get a 25% discount from each with it comes to the plan. Not sure what we pay for the hardware. Sprint is always an option for me and we switch back and forth between Verizon and ATT depending on who outbids who at the time.

My department got iPad as management awards when they first came out so I got that for free and I just pay for the data plan.
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Exactly what technology are you taking about?

It's all all just a bunch of impressionistic data points -- with a dollop of your biases -- that are being thrown around.

Wake me up when this gets to be a serious technology conversation.

Opinion are not always bias. Also we like to call this having a conversation. Not all tech conversation has to be hardcore serious seeing alot of us have to put up with that daily durning work hours.

So thats fine, if we need you for anything we will come wake you up.
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Here you go, you got your wish:

The Greater Question Is: Why are you answering a post that was directed solely/specifically to (screen name) Postulant?

I know a few of you in here have multiple AI Identities, but seriously now, have some dignity -
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So what. Your refrain is old. And boring. Like DaHarder's.

Surprise us, guys.

Not nearly as 'old' as your tired, ineffective attempts at building 'Strawmen' at an alarming rate when left unable to answer any/all legitimate inquiries directed your way.

You say you like Apple... How Do You Like Those Apples?
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Yeah my iPad will hit 30. My daughter keeps wanting to wait until the white iPhones are available. I thinnk she might have to give up on that and settle for black.

OK, The fastest I can get on my iPad is about 10.88 -- about the same as my iPhone.

What are you guys using to setup/monitor your WiFi?

I have the latest AirPort Extreme and ATT U-Verse.

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OK, The fastest I can get on my iPad is about 10.88 -- about the same as my iPhone.

What are you guys using to setup/monitor your WiFi?

I have the latest AirPort Extreme and ATT U-Verse.

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I'm using Apple's Time Capsule - Dual Band. I'm only actually paying for 20 mb, but I always seem to get between 25 - 30 mb.

iPad:

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While this may very well be a first I have to agree with Quadra that fragmentation is hurting the Android experience.

I think hell just froze over.
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The Greater Question Is: Why are you answering a post that was directed solely/specifically to (screen name) Postulant?

I know a few of you in here have multiple AI Identities, but seriously now, have some dignity -

Members like anantksundaram and mouse simply try to invoke a reaction and then go and cry wolf to the moderators. Its like a little game with them.
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OK, The fastest I can get on my iPad is about 10.88 -- about the same as my iPhone.

What are you guys using to setup/monitor your WiFi?

I have the latest AirPort Extreme and ATT U-Verse.

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If you using an internet-based test your bottle neck is likely going to AT&Ts U-Verse. There are ways to check your LAN speeds, but I dont know if any of them work with the iOS.
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I have the advantage of working for IBM. Most of the stuff I get I simply ask for, its one of the perks of being oncall 24x7 and having 20+ years with the same company.

Right now IBM at least in the Southeast works with both Verizon and Sprint. I believe we get a 25% discount from each with it comes to the plan. Not sure what we pay for the hardware. Sprint is always an option for me and we switch back and forth between Verizon and ATT depending on who outbids who at the time.

My department got iPad as management awards when they first came out so I got that for free and I just pay for the data plan.


Ahh... I understand-- when we owned the computer stores, we got freebees of all the latest whatever... great to be in that position!


I worked for IBM DPD 1963-1980 (Riverside, Las Vegas, Des Plaines, Tucson, Palo Alto). The most I ever got was a 300 baud modem (in an oak box) that rented for $79 per month (so I could run APL on a 2740 terminal), and A HP programmable calculator when I was in the Palo Alto Systems Center...

...Got lotsa' raises, awards, and some neat trips, tho!

In those, early days, you could deduct 10% of your gross pay to accumulate in a stock purchase plan... but the stock price was raising so fast, it was difficult to catch up!

Great Company! IBM had about 450,000 employees when I left.

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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
– Alan Kay –
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

OK, The fastest I can get on my iPad is about 10.88 -- about the same as my iPhone.

What are you guys using to setup/monitor your WiFi?

I have the latest AirPort Extreme and ATT U-Verse.

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I believe 10.88 using Uverse is about right. If I remember correctly Uverse is about 12mbps unless you upgrade to their 22mbps. At least that is what is offered here in Atlanta.

I have 30mb service with Charter and I get on average 28-30mb on my iPad so if you have 12mb service with uverse your iPad is taking full advantage of your broadband.

I use a linksys E3000 dual band router.
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