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post #121 of 241
[quote] So have yourself a big helping of "grow-the-fu*k-up" OK? <hr></blockquote>

followed by:

[quote] PS - Atlanta is a snarled, traffic-ridden shithole of a town, but I imagine it suits you well. <hr></blockquote>

You do see the irony here, don't you?

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post #122 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>Dorsal, please answer the question I asked earlier in this thread. If you answer correctly, I will know you are legitimate and sincere.

I ask again:

What are the respective colors of the seeded G4 and G5 motherboards? Are they different or are both red?

[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

PowermacG4 -

Give it up. Also if you really wanted to know if Dorsal was legit (as if you know what color the MB's on test units are...) why would you give him a color to choose from? Even if Red is a trick on your part, why not just ask an open-ended question of what color are the boards?
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post #123 of 241
Wow, this is an ugly, ugly thread.
post #124 of 241
C'mon everybody,(claps hands). Let's find our Happy Places.
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post #125 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>So your gut says what? Apple will be releaseing the DDR Apollos next and opted to scrap the SDRAM Apollo? Or more importantly, whatever we get next IS going to be Apollo based?

I can deal nicely with a dual 1.0ghz DDR Apollo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, that would be my guess -- and I'm with you, I'd like one of those puppies on my desk too.
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post #126 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by qazII:
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So do you think the Apollo-advertised-as G5 theory is a decent possibility?</strong><hr></blockquote>

God I hope not. I could see it happening, but I think it'd be a mistake if Apple branded the Apollo G4 as a G5.

As for the bundle, just wait and see. I'm by no means stating that we're a huge, important, billion dollar software company, but c'mon, we're not rank amatuers either.
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post #127 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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Moki, you make a sensible post, but the problem is, these people you know in Apple are all under NDA. Why would they break their NDA to tell you, so you could go and spread it around on rumor boards? That doesn't make sense to me. All your friends at Apple need to do is look on this rumor board, and they know you spilled the beans. So it is very likely that they would withold information from you, because based on what I've heard, Apple employees take their NDAs VERY seriously. They are treated well by Apple and thus are very loyal employees.

Furthermore, if Jobs sees that your spreading around info that was obtained through the violation of an NDA, then your deal to have software bundled on new Macs could be in jeopardy. I'm shocked that you would risk so much to get some recognition on a rumor BB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

*sigh* I am not spreading any information that violates any NDA I have with Apple -- I have several, and I respect them to the letter. It would be entirely unprofessional to do otherwise.

However, I see no harm in countering the rampant over-hyping rumours that are being circulated. Indeed, a dose of reality tempers expectations, and is likely quite beneficial to Apple. Far better to be perceived as over-delivering than under-delivering.

I also have no spread any information that isn't already widely speculated on, I have not posted any specifics, nor do I plan to. All I have said is "don't hold your breath for G5 PowerMacs".
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post #128 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:
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Thanks for being a reasonable voice around here, but I'm still going to tell your boss that your surfing the internet during business hours.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hehe. Please do.
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post #129 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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As for the bundle, just wait and see. I'm by no means stating that we're a huge, important, billion dollar software company, but c'mon, we're not rank amatuers either. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Your software (the stuff I use) is good.

Glad to see somebody with reason in here.

- Mark
post #130 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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As for the bundle, just wait and see. I'm by no means stating that we're a huge, important, billion dollar software company, but c'mon, we're not rank amatuers either. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ahh...so you meant that you will have two software titles shipping with every new Mac, as opposed to having them shipping with every new Mac
right now. The info supposedly on the Learn and Earn site said that Snapz Pro X would be shipping with every new PowerMac. That would be a logical thing to bundle (though I would think that Apple would just write an equivantally function program itself). Now what else? If EV Nova is bundled, assuming it's as addictive as its predecessors, then I could see how this would really help retail Mac sales. (Just have it running on every demo unit. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> )
post #131 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by qazII:
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Ahh...so you meant that you will have two software titles shipping with every new Mac, as opposed to having them shipping with every new Mac
right now. )</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, no -- Snapz Pro X should be bundled already -- there was an Apple site mentioned as such a month ago or so.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled rumour mongering...
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post #132 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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You don't understand. It's not that Kormac has "confirmed" a rumor, it's that he covers ALL rumors. I find it suspicious when a person's prediction consists of hardware from every rumor circulating...so then whatever comes out, they are right. Duh.

If Kormac is right no matter what Apple releases, then he has not said anything of value. If he gives us something that could be proven wrong, then that has worth.
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You mean Dorsal, don't you? That's who I was referring to. I don't even know what Kormac has been predicting.

Dorsal wasn't predicting anything, he was reporting what he saw. You can still argue that he is lying, although, like Programmer says, he doesn't seem to bask in the attention the way other, less reliable posters do. Like I say, determining what Apple is working on is relatively simple. Determining what they're going to release is very different, because so many factors go into the decision, the decision is made at only the highest levels, and the decision can be altered quite late in the day.
post #133 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
[QBYou can take seriously whatever you choose, but you're being incredibly short-sighted to dismiss what anyone with any shred of inside information knows: the G5 is barely even on the radar screen.

I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's....

The G5 has consistently been downplayed as not coming until very late this year or early next by everyone I know.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
moki, pardon my curiosity, but did the G4's surprise announcement surprise you?

Would you be less or more surprised than that by the sudden appearance of G5s?

Not trying to make a case, just wondering....
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post #134 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:
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Thanks for being a reasonable voice around here, but I'm still going to tell your boss that your surfing the internet during business hours.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #135 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by qazII:
<strong>The info supposedly on the Learn and Earn site said that Snapz Pro X would be shipping with every new PowerMac. That would be a logical thing to bundle (though I would think that Apple would just write an equivantally function program itself).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah...it's called Shift-Apple-4. &lt;grumble, grumble&gt;

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post #136 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by murk:
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Sorry, Moki, but that reality based stuff ain't gonna fly here. If that's what your peddling, you might want to try it in the saner quarters of, say, MOSR, ThinkSecret, or SpyMac. They are all over that boring speedbump story. In our hearts we know what the truth is, too, but, frankly, its a little depressing. This is the last place we can come to dream about a brighter future. If you want to be part of it, take the purple pill and join us. </strong><hr></blockquote>


That's exactly why people who have an inkling of the truth or experience in the industry shy away from places like this. No one here really wants to hear the truth unless it promises them fabulous improvements right now for free. Technology advances at a very rapid pace compared to other industries, but even it takes time.

My prediction for the G5 both past and present is MWSF in January of 2003. I have a little logic and experience on which to base this prediction. More than the average bear I guess

moki: I believe you because I know RIT alumn are only honorable and of the highest integrity Go Tigers!

p.s. - How much would it take to convince you to port EV and/or it's sequels to Windows? It's literally the thing i miss most about the Mac platform
post #137 of 241
Well my new iBook (I so need to change this nick) arrived three days ago, and I haven't seen any Ambrosia apps yet. Unless they're in 9... Wouldn't have seen them if that's the case. Don't touch the thing.
post #138 of 241
The above proves you can not ever "know" anything by reading these forums. As soon as a credible source posts 'A' then another equally credible source will post 'B'. What becomes most important for each reader is the choosing. It's a lot like Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.

The other thing is that even if you did know exactly what was coming it wouldn't really change anything. The iMac announcement did not satiate anyone. Maybe a better question than "Is there going to be a G5 soon?" might be "If the G5 is released next week how will it change me? What will I have gained?" Pretend that the G5 has already been released. How much of your time has been made how much better by this faster computer? Some other questions are - How did Apple get so good at product secrecy? Compare and contrast the ways vaporware is good for most of the rest of the industry but bad for Apple. How come no one knows anyone at the actual manufacturing facilities who could take a peek? How come no one has snuck in with the laundry truck? When do you think a computer will be fast enough (real time effects with FCP3 being a long sought after goal)? What happpens when a computer is fast enough for 99.5% of users? What will the economic impetus be when that day comes to support further R&D? What could we possibly do that will require even more speed - 3d holographic displays??? Isn't it amazing that you can get 64meg of ram for the same price as a piece of good cheddar cheese?

I propose that future hardware be closed. I spend to much time here.
post #139 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Capt. Obvious:
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moki, pardon my curiosity, but did the G4's surprise announcement surprise you?

Would you be less or more surprised than that by the sudden appearance of G5s?

Not trying to make a case, just wondering....
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Let me just say that I would be absolutely *ecstatic* to be wrong about not seeing a G5-based Mac any time soon. I love the platform, and moreover, would love to see one on my desk.

So it would be with great pleasure that I ate a healthy amount of crow, and we get G5 Macs. However, I just don't see it happening -- MOT's semiconductor business switch focus rather firmly to the embedded market years ago. It may be coincidental, but it seemed to me at the time that killing the clones years ago marked a shift in MOT's focus when it came to their semiconductor business.

Killing the clones killed MOT's own PPC Mac clones, which couldn't have made many executives there happy -- it wasn't a trivial investment they made in their own machines, and the various parts they produced for others. It also cut down the number of companies wanting PPC chips for desktop computers, and thus the volume of PPC chip shipments -- despite Jobs' claim that they were cutting solely into Apple's sales.

It was also in that timeframe that MOT announced that Windows NT was their standard corporate computing environment -- sounding a bit of a deathnell for their support of Macs and perhaps fortelling the amount of enthusiasm they'd devote to PPC chip development outside of the embedded market.

Don't get me wrong, Apple is still a huge customer of MOT, but it simply seems to me that a corporate change of direction happened back then. Perhaps it would have happened anyway, given the furious pace Intel set, who knows.

As for the G4, it wasn't that much of a surprise for most developers -- we were seeded with "SimG4" -- an app that simulated the G4 in software, letting developers profile their code on a G4 without actually having one. It is still around today, and still quite useful.

That said, there also was not such a shrouded veil of secrecy around Apple then. The Jihad against rumours sites hadn't really begun yet.

So in a nutshell, I think you're asking "Is it possible the G5 could be sprung upon everyone as a surprise?" Sure, I suppose it is possible -- it'd be one incredibly tight-lipped project, though, both from MOT and from Apple. It would *really* surprise me.
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post #140 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Well, no -- Snapz Pro X should be bundled already -- there was an Apple site mentioned as such a month ago or so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

According to your website, it's only bundled with "Pro" Macs. Will this change?

And it still leaves open the second bundled title to rampant speculation....
post #141 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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So it would be with great pleasure that I ate a healthy amount of crow, and we get G5 Macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmmm...will you literally do this?

(Thinks back to when Whong ate all those bugs....)

Promise to eat, if Apple releases G5's, one crow for every month between the earliest date you think G5's could come and the release date of the G5.
post #142 of 241
Whya ask Dorsal questions and demand they be answered? If you know anyhting about his habits he visits these boards infrequently and may not see these posts for days if not weeks. Just read and discuss.
post #143 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Let me just say that I would be absolutely *ecstatic* to be wrong about not seeing a G5-based Mac any time soon. I love the platform, and moreover, would love to see one on my desk.

So it would be with great pleasure that I ate a healthy amount of crow, and we get G5 Macs. However, I just don't see it happening -- MOT's semiconductor business switch focus rather firmly to the embedded market years ago. It may be coincidental, but it seemed to me at the time that killing the clones years ago marked a shift in MOT's focus when it came to their semiconductor business.

Killing the clones killed MOT's own PPC Mac clones, which couldn't have made many executives there happy -- it wasn't a trivial investment they made in their own machines, and the various parts they produced for others. It also cut down the number of companies wanting PPC chips for desktop computers, and thus the volume of PPC chip shipments -- despite Jobs' claim that they were cutting solely into Apple's sales.

It was also in that timeframe that MOT announced that Windows NT was their standard corporate computing environment -- sounding a bit of a deathnell for their support of Macs and perhaps fortelling the amount of enthusiasm they'd devote to PPC chip development outside of the embedded market.

Don't get me wrong, Apple is still a huge customer of MOT, but it simply seems to me that a corporate change of direction happened back then. Perhaps it would have happened anyway, given the furious pace Intel set, who knows.

As for the G4, it wasn't that much of a surprise for most developers -- we were seeded with "SimG4" -- an app that simulated the G4 in software, letting developers profile their code on a G4 without actually having one. It is still around today, and still quite useful.

That said, there also was not such a shrouded veil of secrecy around Apple then. The Jihad against rumours sites hadn't really begun yet.

So in a nutshell, I think you're asking "Is it possible the G5 could be sprung upon everyone as a surprise?" Sure, I suppose it is possible -- it'd be one incredibly tight-lipped project, though, both from MOT and from Apple. It would *really* surprise me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Moki -

I just want to say I like your posts.

I think there is an element everyone here is missing though. Too much emphasis is being placed on MOT, my gut tells me that IBM has a bigger hand in the G5 than we think.
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post #144 of 241
I have a feeling Apple will announce three new PowerMacs with the entry-level model being the only one to be available right away. That one will be the SDRAM model. The other two will be the DDR RAM models and will be available in March. Shades of Yikes!

So what are the prospects of us seeing the Apollo in the PowerBook any time soon? Is Macworld Tokyo a possibility?
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post #145 of 241
And we wait for dorsal M to answer the question...

What color are the motherboards? Different or both red?

and we wait and we wait and we wait..............................and we wait

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post #146 of 241
Some people here seem to think that because they've been around since the old days or because they have X number of posts, they are entitled to insider information.

Just a reminder: you are not entitled to anything.

Thanks to everyone else who has intelligent posts.
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post #147 of 241
Apple will wait until iMacs are shipping to the "end user" with at the same time announcing new updated Power Macs shipping immediately. This will happen at the end of this week with Power Macs shipping on Feb. 1st.

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post #148 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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We're important enough to have two of our products bundled on every single Macintosh sold.

However, I've never said I had access to any hardware seeds -- if I did, I would not be able to post about what I know, because I'd be under NDA for that hardware.

You can take seriously whatever you choose, but you're being incredibly short-sighted to dismiss what anyone with any shred of inside information knows: the G5 is barely even on the radar screen.

Everyone who has insulted or disparaged me for what I've been saying, I think you really should re-think ad-hominem attacks. Don't attack someone simply because you don't like what they are saying.

I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's, and that there were two separate platforms (SDRAM and DDR) in semi-parallel development. If the delay in the new Pro line release wasn't simply a marketing decision, it is possible that they are skipping the SDRAM speedbump in favor of the DDR platform.

The G5 has consistently been downplayed as not coming until very late this year or early next by everyone I know. Sure, they all could be wrong, or all might not know what the true deal is -- but somehow I doubt it.

If you want to attach more credibility to any random person with an Internet connection, then by all means, go for it. I attach more credibility to my friends and colleagues in the industry.

I suppose we'll see who is right soon enough, but in the meantime, lay off attacking the messenger simply because you don't like the message.

[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: moki ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry if I offended, Moki, it wasn't my intention. I did mean "large and important" -- prototype hardware is typically hard to come by and smaller software developers usually don't see it. You admit not seeing prototype hardware, so obviously I wasn't far off of the mark.

Congrats on the bundling deal.

As for the timing of the G5, you could well be right. Or you could be wrong. It has been in the works for a few years now, and the earliest mentions of it were targetting sometime in 2000. Moto has focussed on embedded processors, but that doesn't mean Apple hasn't been driving the desktop processor design... which might allow them to keep a tighter lid on progress. If no new software features are expected then testing might be restricted in order to keep it quiet. The 64-bit question is a big one, but if the machines are fully 32-bit compatible then there really shouldn't be a reason to not ship them before any 64-bit software is available (including the OS). There's a whole laundry list of reasoning for the G5. All wild speculation of course.

Dorsal's postings not withstanding (and as pointed out by others, he doesn't really claim anything concrete) I'd be surprised to see a G5 before WWDC or MWNY. That doesn't mean I'm not hoping. Whatever this forum may have been a year ago, it is now a forum of wild and entertaining speculation -- I sincerely hope that nobody takes it seriously, or (heaven forbid) makes real decisions based on it. Apple seems to have shut down the rumour machine effectively enough that this is all that is left to us.

What we really need is somebody to publicly break NDA in a big way, so big that Apple sues them and it all gets splashed across the news. Anything short of that is likely to get shot down by either the optimists or the pessimists.

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post #149 of 241
I guarantee you, if someone broke their NDA and posted that the G5s are ready and are coming out at Tokyo, they'd be flamed and laughed off these boards, LOL.
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post #150 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by M5884:
<strong>And we wait for dorsal M to answer the question... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Has Dorsal ever answered a question?
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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>I guarantee you, if someone broke their NDA and posted that the G5s are ready and are coming out at Tokyo, they'd be flamed and laughed off these boards, LOL.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly! That's why they'd have to put it up on one of those big screens in Times Square, or something. Posting it to AI would just make Apple laugh at this point as well. Mr Jobs probably doesn't waste his time, but I'm sure there are at least a few Apple employees that come here and giggle at the insanity.
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[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
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Sorry if I offended, Moki, it wasn't my intention. I did mean "large and important" -- prototype hardware is typically hard to come by and smaller software developers usually don't see it. You admit not seeing prototype hardware, so obviously I wasn't far off of the mark.
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I never claimed to have any access whatever to seed hardware -- indeed, if I did, the *last* thing I would be doing is posting about it.

However, you didn't state that I hadn't seen prototype hardware, you essentially dismissed anything and everything I had to say -- which is really rather silly. One needn't have access to a machine to know what it is.

A good number of people knew what the new iMacs were all about before Time Canada blew it by posting that web site too early -- but they sure weren't going to be posting here about it with anything ressembling specificity.
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post #153 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
<strong>However, you didn't state that I hadn't seen prototype hardware, you essentially dismissed anything and everything I had to say -- which is really rather silly. One needn't have access to a machine to know what it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Point taken. My post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek (hence the trailing smilie). The arguments in this forum have been spiraling out of control for a couple of weeks now, and I'm having a hard time taking anything here very seriously (a theme from my previous message that clearly didn't have a sharp enough point on it). It remains a fun place to speculate though. You're dashing our hopes with real information Mr Welsh, and we'd rather not have any of that... a slow day-by-day drawn out kind of dashing is much preferable.
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post #154 of 241
[quote]I wish some of you would have the intellectual honesty to admit it.<hr></blockquote>

What good is ascribing credibility to one who has none? People who do so are neither intellectual, nor honest...and they are certainly not intellectually honest...whatever you mean by that, I don't really know.
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post #155 of 241
Moki wrote:
"A good number of people knew what the new iMacs were all about before Time Canada blew it by posting that web site too early -- but they sure weren't going to be posting here about it with anything ressembling specificity."

And I'm sure there are a good number of people who know what the PowerMac G5s are all about as well, and they wouldn't dare post it here either...

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post #156 of 241
to all you power hungry guys out there.. if you really need to know any and all future hardware that Apple is releasing before actual announcement dates, there really is a simple solution...

become best buddies with Seal who was in both the iPod and new iMac movies, the day they were released...

chill out people... we can all speculate and plan Apple's hardware future like adults, right?
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[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>And I'm sure there are a good number of people who know what the PowerMac G5s are all about as well, and they wouldn't dare post it here either... </strong><hr></blockquote>

heh -- ok, whatever, I give up.

Let the G5 conspiracy theories continue unabated...
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[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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heh -- ok, whatever, I give up.

Let the G5 conspiracy theories continue unabated...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Moki, understand we are 5 year old kids who you are telling that Santa does not exist. We respect your wisdom, but still want to believe
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Ok. Its tomorrow already...where the hell are the new G4/G5s?

[i do believe in Santa]
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So far I'm giving Belle props for the most insightful posts in this thread.


But I just want to see a picture of her naked. Assuming she is a girl that is.
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