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post #201 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Our ulitmate revenge will be the release of <a href="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcoming/ev3_betashots.html" target="_blank">EV Nova</a>

muhahaha. All your callouses are belong to us. And so on...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Release it for Windows only, and make it free. Use an AOL style market campaign to send it to everyone. Watch the productivity of the Windows world plummet. Everywhere Macs will be bought because it will become known that work can't be done anymore on a PC.
post #202 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Man, you guys are tough! You'll have to wait to see what the other one is...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Some guy over on the EV Nova web board says that Deimos Rising will be installed preregistered on macs.... am I getting warmer?

btw- I don't play games on my mac.... except EV. Really who needs anything else.

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post #203 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by blue2kdave:
<strong>Everyone scroll up and read Mandricard's post again. Maybe there should be a whole new forum by AI, 'Future Character Assaults'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe, and no offense intended here, the moderators could do a little more, um, moderating? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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post #204 of 241
[quote] Our ulitmate revenge will be the release of EV Nova
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Revenge is best served NOW.

I am been waiting longtime for that game.
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post #205 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Our ultimate revenge will be the release of EV Nova.

muhahaha.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do long for this day, sigh. Will it run nicely on my G3/266 with Voodoo3? I'll guess that Nova will be out long before the G5, so it's gotta do.

Congrats on the licensing deals, BTW.
post #206 of 241
Junkyard Dog, be fair on Dorsal

He didn't pretend to know specs. He said there were faster G4s using SOI (7455), not the Apollo. Which was what was unveiled.

(Assuming Dorsal is a genuine hardware tester, which I think most people think he is) Should Dorsal lie and make up detailed specs to make it all more believeable?

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post #207 of 241
THE 7455 IS THE APOLLO!!!!!
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post #208 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:

<strong>THE 7455 IS THE APOLLO!!!!!
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Then what pray tell is the 7460 then?
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post #209 of 241
Did you not read the Motorla engineer article on Maccentral? He's the real thing. He says the 7455 IS the Apollo. No doubts. Straight from the horsey's mouth. The 7460 is a fabrication. I cannot even find reference to it on Motorolas sps site. We invented it. Maybe Motorola will use it for a 130nm Apollo, but by then it will have a different code name. And hopefully a better bus.
post #210 of 241
Guys Apollo was just another code-word / buzz-word, so relax. Nobody at Motorola or Apple said that a .13ยต 7455 equivalent (which would likely be called the 7460) will not *also* [bear the Apollo name].

Who said Apollo was a mutually exclusive thing - that once one chip was given that designation, that another similar chip couldn't be given the same designation / family name? No one.

At this point, more important than minor "incremental" clock speed ehnacements to Apollo family is an enhanced FSB with support for DDR. There is a great thread over at Ars which talks about the MPX bus, whether it can go beyond 133MHz and how DDR (PC2100) ram would really be a much bigger boost to performance than would an extra 100 MHz here or there. We're focusing on the wrong component (things being what they are after yesterday's announcement).

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post #211 of 241
just read up on hannibal's post regarding the new g4 updates, and the followups over at ars.
Pretty obivous Hannibal and zamboni take pleasure on taking jabs at macs. And try to spin it off by saying how mac users attack them at their every negative post. Because of such thing, im sure many mac users got sick of ars and left the board. Though on the mac fourm, someone detailed very infomrative look on this new g4 update. anyways, just my rant. wish those mac users still hanging around at ars would come over to AI ;B
post #212 of 241
I know i stopped going there a while ago. They only opened the Mac boards so the mods and admins can chime in with stupid ass jabs, and you can't do anything about it. It's basically mental masturbation.
post #213 of 241
I'll never go back to being an OpenForum regular.
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post #214 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Jeremiah Rich:
<strong>Like many others on this board have communicated, I too do not know very much abou this dorsal figure, BUT, based solely on the way he wrote what he shared, I think it *could* be legit. I at least feel he is not lying. Maybe it will not turn out to be true, but that as well does not mean he/she would be lying. It could mean Apple changed the plan, or that this was some misinformation, that was thought of as bein credible. Either way, I still hope very much that this is true.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm with Jeremiah on this one, considering the width of speculation seen on this board (2Ghz+ G5's at MWSF!!!)for him to have gotten everything right about the latest release of G4's, 'cept the fact that they were dual, says he's probably playing with prototypes just like he says.
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post #215 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>THE 7455 IS THE APOLLO!!!!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, your right. But dorsal didn't go along with the 130nm, DDR MPX bus apollo that certain others where hyping.

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According to MOSR, the 7460 will be out in six months. Maybe in a parallel universe Ryan...
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post #216 of 241
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post #217 of 241
Dorsal is the real deal no doubt. Look at that post he made and tell me that isn't the new PMG4. An MPC7450 variant with SOI is exactly what we got, at speeds the same as he mentioned basically and all had the full 2 MB L3 Cache like Dorsal stated. I think those 2 systems described are Apple's next 2 systems, the one's just released and then the G5. Interestingly, he stated no Level 3 for G5 but full L2 512kb which is EXACTLY what I've seen around the web for the G5. Everything else is now ready to be implemented, like FireWire 2. Now all we need to know is how ready was that G5 system for release Dorsal? Give us percentage wise at the time you got it.
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post #218 of 241
Well if there is a 7460 I think it's a safe bet (although nothing is safe with mot) that it will be made on hip7. But with out a super update to the bus, it'll just be YASG (Yet Another Stop Gag). Personally I hope for an integrated memory controller.

But I thought of an idea this afternoon on my way home from work. What if Apple stretched the MPX bus to its limit by placing the memory controller directly underside the processor on the daughtercard? Trace lengths would be kept at the minimum posible and they could probably get speeds as high as 250-300MHz even though it's SDR. One way to facilitate this is to design the main controller so the pin outs match the pinouts on the processors MPX bus. I don't know the technical feasibilty of manufacturing this but I have seen it on other boards (2 chips soldered bottom to bottom with only the PCB seperating them). Then the memory controller would have the necessary bandwidth to fully utilize the DDR RAM. You can even position the daughter card connector very close to the DIMM slots to reduce degraded performance.
post #219 of 241
hmm. yer right.
Dorsal was right on with the specs.

Obviously, he knows nothing of release dates for these things because only Steve knows for sure . . .

Maybe the G5 will come out sooner, and the revised G4s will into the iMac/portables

or maybe the G4++ will come out next . . .
I don't see that happening . . . if the G5 is so far along . . . then it seems like it would come before a revised, revised G4 . . .
(or whatever revision stage we're at)

who knows.
post #220 of 241
[quote] orsal is the real deal no doubt. Look at that post he made and tell me that isn't the new PMG4. An MPC7450 variant with SOI is exactly what we got, at speeds the same as he mentioned <hr></blockquote>

Wow you guys are easy to impress.

Dorsal did NOT predict "exactly what we got". He predicted an entire range of different models with different specs, different combos of mobos and CPUs. It would be virtually impossible for Apple NOT to release something Dorsal predicted, since he predicted so much.

Furthermore, doesn't it strike anyone as being odd that Dorsal gets this hardware to evaluate the same week it comes out? Wouldn't he have had these test machines a few months prior to release, and thus have been able to give us the scoop a month or two in advance? I think the reason he didn't is because he had to wait for the rumors to run their course, and then predict everything under the sun.

You want to see someone with real info, check out a person like Time. He says, Powermacs on day X, and then on day X we have powermacs. In constrast, there's Dorsal, "powermacs on day x, y, or z, and if not one of those days, then between day a and d, but not after c or before q, and somewhere within the range of m-o.

Then the powermacs come out on one of the 30 days predicted by Dorsal and you're all like, "wow, he's for REAL!!! He really DID know when they would be released!"

post #221 of 241
My one question: is the new $2999 dual-1GHz worth buying right now?
post #222 of 241
If you need it now, buy it. If you can wait, I'd wait. This is only a stopgap.
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post #223 of 241
Did anyone else predict a MPC7450 variant with SOI instead of the supposed, planned Apollo specs - which I understand, were different . . .

I'm asking because I don't know, actually.
post #224 of 241
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post #225 of 241
Um what are you talking about? The stuff he listed was right......and what we got on this new PMG4. He didn't pretend to have a release date for them, just told us what he was testing. SO what if Apple gave him 2 prototypes? That's probably usual, or he just wants to throw Apple off in the process. The processor speeds were right, the MPC7450 variant using SOI right, same mobo stuff right, all models full 2 MB L3 Cache that's right. Sure time was right on the release date but Dorsal gives us the skinny on what is coming. People like you is what keeps good information away from these boards. Maybe he doesn't know exactly what we'll get or when it's coming but he gives us a look at what we can expect in the future.
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post #226 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>Folks, this is getting nuts.

Dorsal M makes one post and there are six pages in which maybe a quarter of it discusses the speculation and the rest is insulting or a discussion of credibility.

Is there any way we could curtail the latter, or move those discussions to another thread? With this kind of reception, is it no wonder that s/he posts so seldom?

Mandricard
AppleOutsider</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well, I haven't posted in this thread since before the updated Power Macs but I'd like to offer my apology to the thread participants in general. A few pages back someone jumped all over me for what he perceived as an attack on Dorsal (I guess). I should've just ignored him or zinged him with a subtle one-liner, but...when someone tells me to STFU I generally don't react well. Call it a tempermental weakness.



Anyway, I want to clarify my stance on Dorsal so everyone at least knows where I am/was coming from.

1. I don't dislike Dorsal or the fact that he posts in this forum. I think it is nice to have someone who at a minimum doesn't wreak of BS when they post their "confirmed" info.

2. That said, I think the vast majority of posters in these kind of threads put too much stock in what Dorsal says. Predictions are never made and the machines being tested (I don't doubt he tests hardware) cover such a broad spectrum of capabilities... to be honest, it's pretty unlikey he *won't* be right about at least some of it. Though I'm usually skeptical of his posts on hardware, JD is right on this count IMO. There is nothing Dorsal mentioned that hadn't been speculated about many times during the weeks that led up to MWSF / his post.

3. In fact, I think because Dorsal always "sees" such a wide array of configurations, that's all the more reason to take what's posted with a grain of salt. He's probably posting things that he's seen over the course of several weeks, not say one particular week. It seems to me that the *only* time Dorsal posts is when there are mutiple machine types. IMO this is probably his way of cloaking the company he works for, since Apple sends specific configurations to specific companies so they can know generally where a leak is coming from. The more configurations he lists, the harder it is for them to know....

4. Finally I think something that often gets lost is that a prototype is just that. Just because there are enough chips / components to make a few prototypes, doesn't mean that's the configuration Apple is planning on. Or if it is, that we'll get them anytime soon. In fact, it could be the case that Motorola and Apple has all the errata and such worked out of their next generation chip / mobo stuff...but if they can't be fabbed in large numbers...well you know the drill.

In short I think it's quite possible given Motorola's poor health that the next generation of PM could be totally speced out and ready to roll design-wise, but is stuck behind a fabrication bottleneck at MOT.
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But given recent articles from Rothenburg and rumorings from respectable sites like Architosh I can admit that there is reason enough to speculate ad nauseum about the hopefully-upcoming G5. I just hope we can do it a little more rationally is all.

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post #227 of 241
Architosh site down? All I have got for 2 days is:

The server made a boo boo. (403)"

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post #228 of 241
BUMP!

Hey, someone had to do it...

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BUMP!

This will now be known as the Daily Bump, until someone (Dorsal M!) gives us an update...

Thank you for your time...
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post #231 of 241
I second that BUMP! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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Close.
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post #233 of 241
Hey MacJunkie, I just saw on nvnews.net that somebody has hacked both GeForce4 Ti and MX cards into Quadro versions......might be a step in the right direction for those Mac Quadro DCC cards you want so bad.
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post #234 of 241
[quote]p.s. - How much would it take to convince you to port EV and/or it's sequels to Windows? It's literally the thing i miss most about the Mac platform <hr></blockquote>

Acquire the Mac emulator Basillisk II (Windows and *NIX versions available) and a Quadra ROM file. You'll be able to play EV and EVO on it quite nicely. However, it won't run EV: Nova. Playing swoop on it requires Jedi powers (it runs waaaay too fast).
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post #235 of 241
bump again
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post #236 of 241
I'll see your bump and raise you a nudge. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

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post #237 of 241
Daily Bump...

Let's keep it close to the top folks...

Cheers!
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Why?
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Why keep this thread alive when Dorsal should just make a new thread, without 6 layers of tripe?

Why do you all have so much faith in Dorsal anyway? When I was a mod, there were other posters I saw with a lot more credibility. Dorsal was far from the top of my list of credible resources.
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post #240 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Why keep this thread alive when Dorsal should just make a new thread, without 6 layers of tripe?

Why do you all have so much faith in Dorsal anyway? When I was a mod, there were other posters I saw with a lot more credibility. Dorsal was far from the top of my list of credible resources.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well crumudgen Eugene, I am so glad you are no Longer a mod. Dorsal is god-like, second only to the mighty K-Man himself.

So without further ado: BUMP!!!!!!
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