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post #81 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:
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Yeah we all knew that, I was just thinking maybe he added another multiple personality to the mix.
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err, thanks, never was really gone.
post #82 of 241
Moogs, if that is your attitude, why do you even come and read here... much less post. No information posted here (or on other sites) under the label of rumour or insider information can be believed. It could all be fiction. Only when Apple finally plays its hand do we know for sure. Even then it is sometimes false!! (the infamous 50MHz "downgrade")

Dorsal's post matching the various discussions on AI can mean two things... (1) He is making it all up and just combs through the forum looking for reasonable bits, assembling them into a decent sound guess written in "Dorsal-speak", or (2) he is what he says and his posted matches the AI discussion because the AI discussion actually contains elements of truth gleaned from various other sources. Nobody except Dorsal really knows, and there is no reason to believe your counter view any more than Dorsal's.
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post #83 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>Moogs, if that is your attitude, why do you even come and read here... much less post. No information posted here (or on other sites) under the label of rumour or insider information can be believed. It could all be fiction. Only when Apple finally plays its hand do we know for sure. Even then it is sometimes false!! (the infamous 50MHz "downgrade")

Dorsal's post matching the various discussions on AI can mean two things... (1) He is making it all up and just combs through the forum looking for reasonable bits, assembling them into a decent sound guess written in "Dorsal-speak", or (2) he is what he says and his posted matches the AI discussion because the AI discussion actually contains elements of truth gleaned from various other sources. Nobody except Dorsal really knows, and there is no reason to believe your counter view any more than Dorsal's.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I'm pretty sure you're relatively new here as I don't remember your nickname from the "old AI" but recently (last year or so) Future Hardware has become ridiculous. There WAS a time when the main purpose of future hardware was to discuss future hardware and speculate not have single post posters come here and make stuff up or members create false accounts to lie to everyone.

There were a few people who posted "inside info" and that was enough. it was more believable when there was a handful. now its 10 people a week and no one ever knows anything. it's gotten out of hand. the "confirmed" crap is really tiring
post #84 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by niji:
<strong> just stop it, kid. it doesnt make you big in any of our estimations.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Niji, grand AI master with two posts to his name speaks...

As someone who has been around these boards for a while and who has read plenty of Eugene's posts I for one would rather hear his take on things than yours, at this point. Why don't you build a rep for yourself before questioning the rep / tactics of others?
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post #85 of 241
[quote]Eugene (I think , too lazy to go back and look now) was right. Dorsal has not said a single thing in his post that hasn't already been speculated to death in here over the last three months. He's combined and regurgitated all the most reasonable predictions / rumors in his own writing style knowing that 80% of you will bow at his feet, thanking him for his "wisdom."<hr></blockquote>


What a bunch of dorks this board has. people respect what Dorsal (and a few others) say because of the way they deliver their speculations/information; Not because they're right 100% of the time. What they do not do is post for post count, or post to post, or post because they want people to "talk" to them; they post when they genuinely feel that they have something worth sharing; whereas you piss drinkers post whenever and about anything at all. That's the difference between a Dorsal post and a Moogs post. As for his similarity to the other bs posted here, why shouldn't there be? I think anyone could sit down and tell you what the future mac will hold by merely looking at the PC market. Just because he didn't come to us with info like " and it talks to you. it really does. oh and it sings and dances all for a quarter. the software is called iFag." does not at all disprove the credibility of his post.

So would all of the fanboys that do not like or are jealous of the celebrity Dorsal enjoys on these forums please STFU!!!

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post #86 of 241
I see Gigawire has some sort of sick devotion to Dorsal :eek:
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We don't know if Dorsal is right, if he is making it all up, or that he is even the real dorsal. I find it amazing that there really is no info out there on the the Powermacs. Some of these rumors must be true. The question is which ones are true and which ones are made up. Therefore just because dorsals post incorporates some of the rumors going around doesn't mean he is a fake.

I believe dorsal is telling the truth. He may be wrong but he has told us what he knows. These things are always subject to change.

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You know Philbot said many of the same things as dorsal M in his topic. He just said them in a less trust worthy way. Nothing really meant by this, I was just thinking.
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post #88 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
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- Ambrosia is hardly a large and important software developer (sorry), so correct operation of your products on the day that they ship machines isn't exactly critical. And on the flip side, I'm sure Apple employees love testing your products on all the new hardware. Its probably very extensive testing too. This means you aren't first in line for what is always a limited number of prototypes.
So, no offense, but we can't really take what you say here very seriously. </strong><hr></blockquote>

We're important enough to have two of our products bundled on every single Macintosh sold.

However, I've never said I had access to any hardware seeds -- if I did, I would not be able to post about what I know, because I'd be under NDA for that hardware.

You can take seriously whatever you choose, but you're being incredibly short-sighted to dismiss what anyone with any shred of inside information knows: the G5 is barely even on the radar screen.

Everyone who has insulted or disparaged me for what I've been saying, I think you really should re-think ad-hominem attacks. Don't attack someone simply because you don't like what they are saying.

I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's, and that there were two separate platforms (SDRAM and DDR) in semi-parallel development. If the delay in the new Pro line release wasn't simply a marketing decision, it is possible that they are skipping the SDRAM speedbump in favor of the DDR platform.

The G5 has consistently been downplayed as not coming until very late this year or early next by everyone I know. Sure, they all could be wrong, or all might not know what the true deal is -- but somehow I doubt it.

If you want to attach more credibility to any random person with an Internet connection, then by all means, go for it. I attach more credibility to my friends and colleagues in the industry.

I suppose we'll see who is right soon enough, but in the meantime, lay off attacking the messenger simply because you don't like the message.

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post #89 of 241
[quote] I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's, and that there were two separate platforms (SDRAM and DDR) in semi-parallel development. <hr></blockquote>

mmm, Dorsal said 2 machines 1 G4 and 1 G5, and you're saying 2 machines, both G4s. Could both of you be right but one of you have the 2nd machine wrong?
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post #90 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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mmm, Dorsal said 2 machines 1 G4 and 1 G5, and you're saying 2 machines, both G4s. Could both of you be right but one of you have the 2nd machine wrong?</strong><hr></blockquote>

My best guess from what I've been told is that there were SDRAM speed bumped Apollo G4s, DDR speed bumped Apollo G4s, and also down the road, G5s.

Everyone was quite mystified that the SDRAM speed bumps were not released at MacWorld/SF -- I'm told the hardware was ready, so the delay wasn't technical. So either it is a marketing decision, or the SDRAM speedbump has been scrapped in favor of waiting for DDR machines to be good to go.
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post #91 of 241
Nearly did it again. Never mind.

Smart posting, moki.

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post #92 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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My best guess from what I've been told is that there were SDRAM speed bumped Apollo G4s, DDR speed bumped Apollo G4s, and also down the road, G5s.

Everyone was quite mystified that the SDRAM speed bumps were not released at MacWorld/SF -- I'm told the hardware was ready, so the delay wasn't technical. So either it is a marketing decision, or the SDRAM speedbump has been scrapped in favor of waiting for DDR machines to be good to go.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, the delay could be just lack of hardware quantities.
post #93 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>Nearly did it again. Never mind.

Smart posting, moki.

[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Belle ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey Belle, when did you become such a TEASE?

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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We're important enough to have two of our products bundled on every single Macintosh sold.
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[quote]Originally posted by FormerLurker:
<strong>Hey Belle, when did you become such a TEASE?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Sorry. No intriguing hardware insights, just a couple of judgmental posts written in anger that would result in me being flamed. Better to delete than put up with that.

moki is braver. And in a better position to comment.
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post #95 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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My best guess from what I've been told is that there were SDRAM speed bumped Apollo G4s, DDR speed bumped Apollo G4s, and also down the road, G5s.

Everyone was quite mystified that the SDRAM speed bumps were not released at MacWorld/SF -- I'm told the hardware was ready, so the delay wasn't technical. So either it is a marketing decision, or the SDRAM speedbump has been scrapped in favor of waiting for DDR machines to be good to go.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So your gut says what? Apple will be releaseing the DDR Apollos next and opted to scrap the SDRAM Apollo? Or more importantly, whatever we get next IS going to be Apollo based?

I can deal nicely with a dual 1.0ghz DDR Apollo.
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[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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If you want to attach more credibility to any random person with an Internet connection, then by all means, go for it. I attach more credibility to my friends and colleagues in the industry.
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Well that's good for you, but we don't know your friends and colleagues so for us, they have just as much credability as Dorsal.
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post #97 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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We're important enough to have two of our products bundled on every single Macintosh sold.
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Really? Then how come when I look at the software bundle list for both the new iMac and the Powerbook G4 on Apple's web site (I didn't bother to check the iBook or Powermac G4) I see no mention of ANY Ambrosia title?

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I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's, and that there were two separate platforms (SDRAM and DDR) in semi-parallel development. If the delay in the new Pro line release wasn't simply a marketing decision, it is possible that they are skipping the SDRAM speedbump in favor of the DDR platform.

The G5 has consistently been downplayed as not coming until very late this year or early next by everyone I know. Sure, they all could be wrong, or all might not know what the true deal is -- but somehow I doubt it.
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So do you think the Apollo-advertised-as G5 theory is a decent possibility?
post #98 of 241
Great, Dorsal has now covered his arse for both the Apollo rumors and the G5 rumors. He can't be wrong. Brilliant.

So we have from dorsal:

Apollo G4: speeds and fab are what rumors have been saying for months. Machines are speced out with few changes from current powermacs, in line with such a small speed bump.

G5: He describes the G5 EXACTLY as it is on many rumors, right down to the 400 MHz bus. No Level 3 cache, that is a new part but also, it is the sort of knowledge one who is well versed technically would know. If fast memory speeds negate the need for a L3 cache, then why would Apple use one? They wouldn't.


Dorsal knows his sh!t, but I don't believe he knows sh!t. All he did is serve up current rumors with technical jargon. I have no idea why anyone sucks his d!ck so hard.
post #99 of 241
Gigawire, you're a sucker. Dorsal has no valuable information. He is a fraud. That is all that matters.
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post #100 of 241
I'm going with Apple scrapping the SDR mobos in favor of waiting for the DDR boards. That jibes with a lot of what I've been reading, and it makes sense.

There probably are G5 test mules out there somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're anywhere near release. Chips sample months before they go into production, and Apple almost certainly gets to work with CPUs that are still under development. Especially if the G5 is 64-bit and features a significantly overhauled architecture, it seems to me that Apple would want it to go through a long testing phase.

I have no industry contacts, but I'm going with moki: A G5 would be a pleasant surprise, but a DDR G4 (which would require a G4 tweaked to support DDR...) is more likely.
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post #101 of 241
[quote]Apple will ship the fastest machine that they can manage and still be price competitive and have sufficient supply.<hr></blockquote>

This is not always true. Apple will sometimes release a machine with a slower processor, when they very easily could have shipped it with a faster one. Why? As insurance. Say Apple releases a 1.6Ghz G5 in 2 days. Motorolla has said to them that they will have 2Ghz G5's in 6 months. But what if Motorolla screws up, and it takes 12 months to reach 2Ghz? Wouldnt it be in Apple's best interest to play it safe and release a 1.4, or 1.5 G5, to guard against delays, and still have chips to release by the 6 month rev?

Dorsal(M) got his fame from his first post, where he more or less nailed the MWSF01 PowerMacs. However he was so far off the base on the MWNY01 PowerMacs that he reminded me of MOSR. Do I think that he is legit? Yes. However that meens little as to what Apple will release and when. Fred Anderson himself said something to the effect of the first half of 02 would be a time of transition, while big things would happen in the second. Frankly there are so many rumors flying around that I realy dont know what to believe. Dual SDR 1Ghz G4's from one place, DDR G4's from another, Apollo 1.2 GHz G4's from yet another. And G5's at 1 THZ from Joe down the street. Its gotten quite confusing. Purhaps Apple could clear some of this mess up?

PS Why all the Ambrosia bashing? They're a great little company that makes great software for the Mac.

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post #102 of 241
Well summing up my own thoughts, facts and rumors during the past 3 months, we can say this:

Apple needs to release faster PowerMacs.
There are currently 4 chips in the pipeline:
7450, 7451, 7460 and G5 the first being the most available, the latest the least available.

So what will Apple have cooked up?

There most certainly is or was a Quicksilver based model with faster CPUs.

That means same case, same mobo, SDRAM, and 7450 or maybe 7451 chip at best.
Aparently these chips max out around 1.133GHz, at least that is what the rumor mongers have been telling us.

Everyone, moki is dead right there, expected these to ship at MWSF. WE all know they did not.

So there are now 2 possibilities, following the time line:

A: release the same machines, just a bit later for marketing reasons in favor of the iMac.

B: Skip those machines and go right for the next generation, ie Apollo.

These Macs would likely ship with Apollo chips, a slightly or even heavily modified mobo and DDR-SDRAM, case could be new, but following the time line, every case apple has made so far, survived at least 2 product cycles, thus Quicksilver will likely stay for the next release.
Little is known about the Apollo chip for sure. What we seem to know is basically what Motorola said: SOI, 0.18 or smaller process, modified cache architecture and some other stuff.
At the moment, it's likely that these chips wouldn't clock over 1.4GHz, especially not knowing Motorola.

I'm pretty sure we'll see one of those machines in the near future, with my personal deadline being MW tokyo for announcement and immediate shipping.

But what if we don't see these system come out?

We'll, there's still the G5 in the pipeline. No matter how many naysayers deny its existance, the chip is coming. Nobody KNOWS when, but we all know that, even the ones who deny it.

I find it likely that G5 will debut at MWNY, as the successor to the DDR-Apollo machines. If both the SDR and DDR don't make it Apple has to jump to G5 directly, which even I find VERY unlikely, because this chip is most likely not ready for release yet. It sure is being worked on, but we all know these things take a lot of time.

So the if-tree would look like that:

___Current Quicksilver______
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Speedbumped SDR Quicksilver.........DDR Apollo QS
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DDR Apollo.............G5 "all new"
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G5 all new

We'll see what decisions Apple made, or had to make.

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Edit: fixed the ASCII "art" (damn bad edit=display coherency on these boards)

Also I didn't bash on Ambrosia, I love their games. But G5 release date = EV Nova release date may not be that far off...

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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>Great, Dorsal has now covered his arse for both the Apollo rumors and the G5 rumors. He can't be wrong. Brilliant.

So we have from dorsal:

Apollo G4: speeds and fab are what rumors have been saying for months. Machines are speced out with few changes from current powermacs, in line with such a small speed bump.

G5: He describes the G5 EXACTLY as it is on many rumors, right down to the 400 MHz bus. No Level 3 cache, that is a new part but also, it is the sort of knowledge one who is well versed technically would know. If fast memory speeds negate the need for a L3 cache, then why would Apple use one? They wouldn't.
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What a joke. So if someone posts info that confirms current rumors, that means they're obviously bullshit. Unless they post something that isn't covered by current rumors (L3 cache-less G5s), in which case, they're full of shit because, well, anyone with engineering knowledge could have made that up. Unless they post something so out there and unprecedented it's completely beyond anyone's expectations, in which case they're full of shit because ... need I go on?

What exactly does it take to convince some of you, given that:

- very few people in the world have any reliable information on what Apple intends to release (ie, intimate knowledge from within Apple itself that crosses project boundaries);

- Apple has cracked down significantly to prevent leaks of information protected by NDAs;

- even legitimate information is subject to change if hardware/marketing conditions warrant it;

- anyone with solid info, Apple employee or not, is bound by NDA and must consider protecting their anonymity before anything else.

Given this, there is no way any mole could consistently provide detailed, reliable information on upcoming Apple products. The likes of Dorsal is about as good as we can hope for. I wish some of you would have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
post #104 of 241
[quote] I'm pretty sure we'll see one of those machines in the near future, with my personal deadline being MW tokyo for announcement and immediate shipping.

But what if we don't see these system come out?

We'll, there's still the G5 in the pipeline. No matter how many naysayers deny its existance, the chip is coming. Nobody KNOWS when, but we all know that, even the ones who deny it.

I find it likely that G5 will debut at MWNY, as the successor to the DDR-Apollo machines. <hr></blockquote>

So an Apollo by Tokyo and a G5, what, 3 months later? Unlikely at best.
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post #105 of 241
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However, I've never said I had access to any hardware seeds -- if I did, I would not be able to post about what I know, because I'd be under NDA for that hardware.

You can take seriously whatever you choose, but you're being incredibly short-sighted to dismiss what anyone with any shred of inside information knows: the G5 is barely even on the radar screen.

I too would love to have a G5 on my desktop tomorrow -- however, I've been in the industry for a decade and a half, and I have numerous friends and contacts throughout Apple and related companies. They've been insisting that the next round of machines will be Apollo G4's, and that there were two separate platforms (SDRAM and DDR) in semi-parallel development. If the delay in the new Pro line release wasn't simply a marketing decision, it is possible that they are skipping the SDRAM speedbump in favor of the DDR platform.

The G5 has consistently been downplayed as not coming until very late this year or early next by everyone I know. Sure, they all could be wrong, or all might not know what the true deal is -- but somehow I doubt it.

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Moki, you make a sensible post, but the problem is, these people you know in Apple are all under NDA. Why would they break their NDA to tell you, so you could go and spread it around on rumor boards? That doesn't make sense to me. All your friends at Apple need to do is look on this rumor board, and they know you spilled the beans. So it is very likely that they would withold information from you, because based on what I've heard, Apple employees take their NDAs VERY seriously. They are treated well by Apple and thus are very loyal employees.

Furthermore, if Jobs sees that your spreading around info that was obtained through the violation of an NDA, then your deal to have software bundled on new Macs could be in jeopardy. I'm shocked that you would risk so much to get some recognition on a rumor BB.
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did anyone notice that Hamrick removed the G5 info on his VueScan page?
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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Moki, you make a sensible post, but the problem is, these people you know in Apple are all under NDA. Why would they break their NDA to tell you, so you could go and spread it around on rumor boards? That doesn't make sense to me. All your friends at Apple need to do is look on this rumor board, and they know you spilled the beans. So it is very likely that they would withold information from you, because based on what I've heard, Apple employees take their NDAs VERY seriously. They are treated well by Apple and thus are very loyal employees.

Furthermore, if Jobs sees that your spreading around info that was obtained through the violation of an NDA, then your deal to have software bundled on new Macs could be in jeopardy. I'm shocked that you would risk so much to get some recognition on a rumor BB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shocked or jealous?
post #108 of 241
considering the G4 does not support DDR is the waiting for DDR board rumor likely?

Would something like DDR support be part of a processor revision (Apollo). Motorola as far as I know has layed out what will be added with Apollo and I don't remember DDR support being one of the things
post #109 of 241
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I said MW Tokyo was the latest date for the next G4, and MWNY of cours is the earliest date for the G5. Apple once had an update cycle of only 3 months (which was far more interesting btw), now they're roughly at an irregular 6 months (which is most certainly also due to the problems they had with Moto and the G4). Should the G4 (apollo or SDR) will be released tomorrow, as time said, MWNY would be exactly 6 months away, certainly a good time to announce the next round. If they're released at MWTY (G4), we'll probably see G5 at Apple Expo Paris or similar timeframe with a special event or whatever. I think my post is one of the most sensible I have read during the last week...
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Hey Moki,

What 2 products of Ambrosia ship with every Mac? I'm racking my brain but can't think of anything.

Btw, do you guys plan to port any other classic (Aperion, Swoop, BARRACK!!, Harry the handsome... etc) to OS X? They would seem relatively easy to handle

Ambrosia is a pillar of Mac history and have grown up with your games for the past 6-7 years... I just totally love what you guys do. Keep it up!

PS I have gotten so many PC friends hooked with Ambrosia games it isnt even funny. One even bought a Mac so he could waste his existence with Barrack! Hahaha.
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[quote] What a joke. So if someone posts info that confirms current rumors, that means they're obviously bullshit. Unless they post something that isn't covered by current rumors (L3 cache-less G5s), in which case, they're full of shit because, well, anyone with engineering knowledge could have made that up. Unless they post something so out there and unprecedented it's completely beyond anyone's expectations, in which case they're full of shit because ... need I go on?
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You don't understand. It's not that Kormac has "confirmed" a rumor, it's that he covers ALL rumors. I find it suspicious when a person's prediction consists of hardware from every rumor circulating...so then whatever comes out, they are right. Duh.

If Kormac is right no matter what Apple releases, then he has not said anything of value. If he gives us something that could be proven wrong, then that has worth.

Anybody could post what Kormac did, inside knowledge or not. Also, notice how Kormac waited to post this until all the rumors had circulated? If he had posted this a month ago it would have contained some new info, but instead it's posted AFTER the rumors. Yet if Apple is about to release these Macs, if they were ready for MWSF, then Kormac should have had theme one to several months BEFORE they were ready. If Kormac is for real, then he would have been able to post this info back in Nov. or Dec.

I say he's BS. And when new Powermacs are announced, the same people who believe him now will all take it as proof that Kormac is an inside source...it doesn't matter what the Powermacs are, G4, G5, virtually any MHz, because Kormac predicted all possible future Powermacs.

If Kormac had predicted either a G4 OR a G5, then I would believe him.

If Apple does in fact announce both G4s and G5s, to sell side by side, then I'll give Kormac his dues. Any other scenario and I'm not convinced Kormac is an insider.
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
Moki, you make a sensible post, but the problem is, these people you know in Apple are all under NDA. Why would they break their NDA to tell you, so you could go and spread it around on rumor boards? That doesn't make sense to me. All your friends at Apple need to do is look on this rumor board, and they know you spilled the beans. So it is very likely that they would withold information from you, because based on what I've heard, Apple employees take their NDAs VERY seriously. They are treated well by Apple and thus are very loyal employees.

Furthermore, if Jobs sees that your spreading around info that was obtained through the violation of an NDA, then your deal to have software bundled on new Macs could be in jeopardy. I'm shocked that you would risk so much to get some recognition on a rumor BB.
<hr></blockquote>Well stated JD.

By the way, what is Kormac predicting?? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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post #113 of 241
I don't believe it's the real Dorsal because he didn't mention the wonderfully beautiful metal case the mule came in.

Oh, I long for a metal case.
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post #114 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
I suppose we'll see who is right soon enough, but in the meantime, lay off attacking the messenger simply because you don't like the message.
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Thanks for being a reasonable voice around here, but I'm still going to tell your boss that your surfing the internet during business hours.
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post #115 of 241
Dorsal, please answer the question I asked earlier in this thread. If you answer correctly, I will know you are legitimate and sincere.

I ask again:

What are the respective colors of the seeded G4 and G5 motherboards? Are they different or are both red?

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post #116 of 241
come on Dorsal, 50/50 odds!
post #117 of 241
G-News,
Ah, ok. I thought you were saying that was the schedule for both releases not one if the other doesn't happen.

Moki- So is the next rev an Apollo?! What are the odds of DDR support in the next rev?
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post #118 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>I see Gigawire has some sort of sick devotion to Dorsal :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>


Not only that, notice the signature. Now there's a sign of powerful reasoning abilities.

Superdrive II...that's quality Mac humor at its finest.

By the way Jagawire, I never said Dorsal was a bad person, shouldn't be respected, etc. I'm not even saying people shouldn't read his posts. All I'm saying is people go WAY overboard with the value they assign to his posts. And quite obviously, I'm not the only one who thinks so. I'm also saying (since subtlety seems lost on you) that I doubt he knows anymore than we in the end - even if he *has* seen prototypes. So have yourself a big helping of "grow-the-fu*k-up" OK?

I'm tired of losers like you freaking out everytime someone questions their Mac-wet-dreams. That thing on your desk, it's just a freaking computer OK. A tool (like yourself)...not something to get all bent out of shape about.

PS - Atlanta is a snarled, traffic-ridden shithole of a town, but I imagine it suits you well.

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post #119 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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You can take seriously whatever you choose, but you're being incredibly short-sighted to dismiss what anyone with any shred of inside information knows: the G5 is barely even on the radar screen.
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Sorry, Moki, but that reality based stuff ain't gonna fly here. If that's what your peddling, you might want to try it in the saner quarters of, say, MOSR, ThinkSecret, or SpyMac. They are all over that boring speedbump story. In our hearts we know what the truth is, too, but, frankly, its a little depressing. This is the last place we can come to dream about a brighter future. If you want to be part of it, take the purple pill and join us.
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post #120 of 241
[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
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Not only that, notice the signature. Now there's a sign of powerful reasoning abilities.

Superdrive II...that's quality Mac humor at its finest.

By the way Jagawire, I never said Dorsal was a bad person, shouldn't be respected, etc. I'm not even saying people shouldn't read his posts. All I'm saying is people go WAY overboard with the value they assign to his posts. And quite obviously, I'm not the only one who thinks so. I'm also saying (since subtlety seems lost on you) that I doubt he knows anymore than we in the end - even if he *has* seen prototypes. So have yourself a big helping of "grow-the-fu*k-up" OK?

I'm tired of losers like you freaking out everytime someone questions their Mac-wet-dreams. That thing on your desk, it's just a freaking computer OK. A tool (like yourself)...not something to get all bent out of shape about.

PS - Atlanta is a snarled, traffic-ridden shithole of a town, but I imagine it suits you well.

[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, listen to the ambulance!

Why don't you grow up? Rumors are exciting, everyone wants to know what Apple going to bring out next. Just because we choose who we want to believe (not you), doesn't mean you should have a hissy fit because you don't think his rumors are not credible.

I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal about this. Within a month we'll know who's right and who's wrong. Until then we can all have fun speculating on what's coming.
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