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Unveiled last month but previously unavailable to purchase, Apple's new Mac Pro desktop with up to 12 processing cores is now available and ships in 7 to 10 business days.

The upgraded desktop is available in three standard options: a quad-core 2.8GHz Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processor with 3GB of RAM for $2,499; an 8-core machine with two 2.4GHz quad-core Intel Xeon "Westmere" processors and 6GB of RAM for $3,499; or a 12-core system with two 2.66GHz 6-core Intel Xeon "Westmere" processors and 6GB of RAM for $4,999. All of the available standard models ship in 7 to 10 business days.

Apple unveiled the machines in late July, but they were not yet available for customers to purchase. At the time the company said the hardware would simply be available in August, without providing a specific date.

With the latest Intel Xeon processors and up to 12 processing cores, the latest Mac Pros are up to 50 percent faster than their predecessors. They also exclusively come with ATI powered graphics, with the Radeon HD 5770 graphics processor with 1GB of memory standard, and an upgrade option for the even faster Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB of memory.

For the first time, Mac Pro customers have the option to order a 512GB SSD for the ultimate in reliability and lightning fast performance. With the ability to install up to four SSD drives in the system's internal drive bays, the new Mac Pro can provide ultra high-speed disk bandwidth and random disk performance, two times faster than the average performance of a standard disk drive.



Also announced in late July but still unavailable to purchase is the new 27-inch LED Cinema Display. The hardware, which sports a 2,560-by-1,440 pixel resolution and 60 percent more screen real estate than the previous 24-inch model, is set to ship in September for $999.
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Ohh.. Not cheap. Not surprised.
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Ohh.. Not cheap. Not surprised.

No kidding. I know it's got 12 processors... but $4,999? Ouch.
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Ohh.. Not cheap. Not surprised.

Haven't some people calculated that it cost about the same as offerings from HP or Dell. I mean those Xeon chips alone are quite expensive...
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No kidding. I know it's got 12 processors... but $4,999? Ouch.


Not everyone can afford a machine of that caliber. Mac Pro owners are a very exclusive club.
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Ohh.. Not cheap. Not surprised.

if you are a 'Pro' user buying this 'Pro' machine for production use then over the 3+ years productive use.... the initial cost is [largely] irrelevant.

if you are buying one of these machines then you are doing serious work for a particular skill that you have considerable experience in for which people are willing to pay commensurate sums of money for the services you and your Mac Pro can deliver.

if you are not a 'Pro' user and you want one ... well that's entirely up to you. There is nothing unfair about Apple's price.... They offer it a particular price and you the consumer are completely free to choose weather you consume that product.

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Wait... what? At that price Apple doesn't offer USB 3 out of the box to upload 3 pictures taken at spring-break camp?!?!
Rip-off.

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The 4-Core model starts from $2,499 (2.8GHz), the 8-Core from $3,499 (2.4GHz) and 12-Core from $4,999 (2.66GHz).

A single-CPU 6-Core model will set you back at least $3,699. Yup, it's a little more than the dual-CPU, 8-Core-total model. However this single-CPU, 6-Core runs at a perky 3.33GHz.

A 12-Core, 24-Thread 2.93GHz Mac Pro with 16GB of RAM and 2TB (4 512GB drives) of SSD storage will set you back $12,599. Oh, and that includes the ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB.

Just a few thoughts I was playing with.
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No kidding. I know it's got 12 processors... but $4,999? Ouch.


Hey I paid that much for Mac II fx.

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Wait... what? At that price Apple doesn't offer USB 3 out of the box to upload 3 pictures taken at spring-break camp?!?!
Rip-off.

This isn't a machine for people who want to upload three pics taken at spring-break camp. USB 3 is irrelevant to high power users who want eSATA or fibre network connection. If you want to expand, expand, but if you're relying on USB connection speeds for a machine of this spec, you're doing something wrong. For those who use one of these professionally, 80 - 100 for a USB-3 expansion isn't an issue.
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This! ^^

P.S. Sure, there's still complete ignorance of what are hardware prices nowadays; still good starting point.

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if you are a 'Pro' user buying this 'Pro' machine for production use then over the 3+ years productive use.... the initial cost is [largely] irrelevant.

if you are buying one of these machines then you are doing serious work for a particular skill that you have considerable experience in for which people are willing to pay commensurate sums of money for the services you and your Mac Pro can deliver.

if you are not a 'Pro' user and you want one ... well that's entirely up to you. There is nothing unfair about Apple's price.... They offer it a particular price and you the consumer are completely free to choose weather you consume that product.


No shit?


..But seriously, thanks for your pontification on the subject!
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This isn't a machine for people who want to upload three pics taken at spring-break camp. USB 3 is irrelevant to high power users who want eSATA or fibre network connection. If you want to expand, expand, but if you're relying on USB connection speeds for a machine of this spec, you're doing something wrong. For those who use one of these professionally, 80 - 100 for a USB-3 expansion isn't an issue.


As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.
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As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.

As a pro user I need 10gb ethernet and two firewire busses for the current price.
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The 4-Core model starts from $2,499 (2.8GHz), the 8-Core from $3,499 (2.4GHz) and 12-Core from $4,999 (2.66GHz).

A single-CPU 6-Core model will set you back at least $3,699. Yup, it's a little more than the dual-CPU, 8-Core-total model. However this single-CPU, 6-Core runs at a perky 3.33GHz.

A 12-Core, 24-Thread 2.93GHz Mac Pro with 16GB of RAM and 2TB (4 512GB drives) of SSD storage will set you back $12,599. Oh, and that includes the ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB.

Just a few thoughts I was playing with.

Yeah just playing around w/the store, an upgraded CPU, maxed RAM, dual 5770s and a SSD+3 2TB drives, you're looking at $12149 after Applecare. Definitely not on my shopping agenda, but interesting.

Also, since people seem to be comparing the new Mac with comparable Dell systems, I decided to mess around on their site some too. Except where noted below, the system was roughly the same specs as the Mac. Add in the difference for the SSD drive and the significantly better video card options and the Mac is still cheaper than the Dell, even when pimped out.

Dell Poweredge T610
Unable to select 500GB SSD drives, so 4 2TB drives included
Windows Server 2008SP2 x64 as OS
Video is an integrated Matrox 200, no videocard options.

$10926
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I need USB 3 built in.

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As a pro user I need ... two firewire busses

Stop trolling. You don't need any of above. You better let you employer give you a good tool for your work.

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Stop trolling. You don't need any of above. You better let you employer give you a good tool for your work.

You obviously underestimate the importance and practical usage of these features.
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No kidding. I know it's got 12 processors... but $4,999? Ouch.

An HP Z600 12 core workstation costs 10% more.

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As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.

You can use cards in the card slots to do the same, can't you? Or are you using the slots? I didn't notice competing workstations offering USB 3, not sure about eSATA.

It seems odd that you can get a configuration with the touchpad and a mouse, but not just the touchpad. I'd be happy to use both, but I have to imagine that there are going to be a lot of people that would just use the touchpad and the magic mouse gathers dust.
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if you are a 'Pro' user buying this 'Pro' machine for production use then over the 3+ years productive use.... the initial cost is [largely] irrelevant.

if you are buying one of these machines then you are doing serious work for a particular skill that you have considerable experience in for which people are willing to pay commensurate sums of money for the services you and your Mac Pro can deliver.

if you are not a 'Pro' user and you want one ... well that's entirely up to you. There is nothing unfair about Apple's price.... They offer it a particular price and you the consumer are completely free to choose weather you consume that product.

And that is exactly why we just ordered three, about 7K for each configuration, they will pay for themselves in 9 months.

We upgrade every two years. We'll get three well configured machines taken out of service, with a year or so left on their AppleCare.
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An HP Z600 12 core workstation costs 10% more.



You can use cards in the card slots to do the same, can't you? Or are you using the slots? I didn't notice competing workstations offering USB 3, not sure about eSATA.

USB 3.0 still not supported on macs
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USB 3.0 still not supported on macs

USB3=standard on many PCs today - how about apple being on the cutting edge for once. Their iphone should not take all of the creative talent out of their other machines.
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I think for my current apps, a 3.6GHz iMac would work out better than one of these, but I have owned a Mac Pro in the past and anything I/O intensive it just left my white (at the time) iMac in the dust.
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...Their iphone should not take all of the creative talent out of their other machines.

Don't forget the iPad.
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I think for my current apps, a 3.6GHz iMac would work out better than one of these, but I have owned a Mac Pro in the past and anything I/O intensive it just left my white (at the time) iMac in the dust.

The whole architecture is quite different. Imagine 2 or 4 of those 512GB SSDs in RAID0 in the latest Mac Pros. Now that's some I/O
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USB3=standard on many PCs today - how about apple being on the cutting edge for once. Their iphone should not take all of the creative talent out of their other machines.

OK. You do understand, the Mac Pro is by no means a machine for ``users' '? It's a tool for professionals, specializing in very narrow areas of productivity. You are no doubt aware, some libraries, which such professionals work with, cost approximately the same as 12-core Mac Pro machine.

Could you please name at least some professional-grade input peripherals, which rely on USB 3.0 interface? How many are they now?

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Also announced in late July but still unavailable to purchase is the new 27-inch LED Cinema Display. The hardware, which sports a 2,560-by-1,440 pixel resolution and 60 percent more screen real estate than the previous 24-inch model, is set to ship in September for $999.[/QUOTE]

its only on the low end that you get a better price from dell. on the high end apple products are quite reasonable. dell 27" ultrasharp is more expensive than apple's 27".
new mac pro and dual 27s.....hummina,hummina,hummina.
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As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.

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As a pro user I need 10gb ethernet and two firewire busses for the current price.

Nonsense. If you really need those things, an expansion card is cheap.

I don't know any pro users who are using USB 3, anyway. But if you have to have it, a card is cheap.
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Our order will ship in 14 days. So much for 7 to 10.
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As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.

'along with fibre options'
and later you add '10g' is also needed.
please explain how exactly you would need these? sounds absolutely ridiculous.
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No USB 3 and No Blu-Ray
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Our order will ship in 14 days. So much for 7 to 10.

Did it say "business days" by any chance?
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As a pro user, I need eSata built in along with fibre options. As a pro user getting all sorts of data from everywhere, I need USB 3 built in. As a pro user, i am not making a lot of money and this is expensive.

There's eSATA ports right on the motherboard. You are a Pro user and you can't afford the $40 card w/wires to extend the ports to the back plate?

The whole point of having a tower is that you can buy add-in cards for junk that is cool to have like USB 3.0 but not mature enough to include as stock items.

Mac Pros are a good deal. They cost a fortune but they last for years and years and are generally years ahead of their time to begin with IMO. I find people on average go through two or sometimes three iMacs or Mac minis in the same timeframe as a Mac Pro user goes through one Mac Pro. They don't feel slow a year later like most computers you buy, they still feel like a powerhouse even three or four years down the road.
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No shit?


..But seriously, thanks for your pontification on the subject!


It was my pleasure...

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No USB 3 and No Blu-Ray

thank you!!!
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$5,000.00 and no Blu-ray, oh but it does come with a high tech Super Drive.
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No USB 3 and No Blu-Ray

Umm, just not from Apple, but these guys have a Blu-Ray drive for MacPro's!
http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/
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$5,000.00 and no Blu-ray, oh but it does come with a high tech Super Drive.

Umm, just not from Apple, but these guys have a Blu-Ray drive for MacPro's!
http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/
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I firmly believe I'm a pro user, and really would like to have a Mac desktop. No, I don't really need the power that the MacPro has.. I'm quite happy with my aging Core i7 machine with 4 cores. And a current Macbook Pro gives me the power that I need. But what I need to have for a desktop machine is multiple monitors.. 3 or 4 24".. To make that happen with an Apple, you have to shell out for a MacPro. I think this is a big part of the reason behind the hackintosh movement.

I'd be very happy to get a consumer class CPU in an Apple chassis that could take 2 video cards for more a software development pro price.
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Umm, just not from Apple, but these guys have a Blu-Ray drive for MacPro's!
http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/

Quote from MCE: Play Blu-ray movies on your Mac.
Play Blu-ray and HD DVD movies on your Mac Pro with Boot Camp running Windows XP or Vista.


You can get a similar drive from newegg for $120-150.

Just ordered mine, got a 3.2 GHz Quad w/6GB ram... ouch my wallet hurts! I really wanted the Hexa-Core model, but $1200 upgrade to go from a $300 processor (stock) to a $999 one? I know this is nothing new from Apple, but it still hurts when it comes time to make your purchase. They also jacked up the memory costs... Yesterday going from 3GB ram to 6GB ram was $180, now it's $225. Oy!
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Yeah, $4999 is expensive, but I've been using my dual 1.8GHz G5 for the past 5 years and it is still pumping out Illustrator and Photoshop graphics, Motion graphics, After Effects files and SD video editing on FCP. So, I will upgrade to the new 6-core only because I need the processing power for HD video editing and graphics. I'd say $5,000 is a bargain if it lasts like my G5. Don't forget about student discounts. Have a kid in High School or college? Get it through them!
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