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I jus got my acceptance letter yesterday for Stanford Summer College for High School students.

I'm so excited to get accepted. Didn't really think I would. I've been wanting to go there for a couple years now and at least this will give me a taste of it.

Anyone go there or had gone there? Anyone near there? Anyone know what to expect or any tips?

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I got denied there (the bastards). I had the credentials, along with everyone else. Basically, if you're a white male, there are very limited spots open vs. the number of people who apply. I'd say you should go, because this would separate you from the rest of the people. Those types of colleges like the summer enrichment programs. They expect you not to have a life.
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Actually, most of the summer programs I have seen at places like Harvard and the like are just ways for the school to make more money and they don't really care all that much about it outside of that...

As for Stanford, I know nothing about it.... A friend of mine got in there and is deciding between there and harvard... bastard...

Heh, im only kidding, I'm happy with BC...
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Damn DP's

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It's not to far from me so I've been there a lot especially since both my older sisters went there. I'd say Stanford's atmosphere is much more relaxed than Berkeley's...and the campus reflects on it. It's much less urban and more open. Lots of open fields, the buildings aren't bunched up...and the capus is just plain huge. All the buildings are ranch-style, southwestern architecture. It's always warmer in the Stanford area vs other surrounding areas.

I don't know about the summer program, but as an undergraduate, you practically must own a bike.

Stanford is also very Mac friendly. They extend insitution educational prices to students, for example.
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[quote]Originally posted by Majuki:
<strong>I got denied there (the bastards). I had the credentials, along with everyone else. Basically, if you're a white male, there are very limited spots open vs. the number of people who apply. I'd say you should go, because this would separate you from the rest of the people. Those types of colleges like the summer enrichment programs. They expect you not to have a life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was told the same thing when I called for a summer job at SLAC. White male need not apply. Racist liberal ****ers. **** them. Fermilab was better. Did SLAC find the top? No.
post #8 of 40
The race thing is highly subjective. As far as the undergraduate program is concerned, it fluctuates. One of my friends had a spotless transcript, played several musical instruments, was goalie on the varsity soccer team and center on the varsity basketball team, etc...got rejected, not even deferred when he applied early...he's Chinese. On the other hand, the year before and the after both saw two underperforming Hispanics accepted.

On the other hand, Stanford, like all schools is also going to give more consideration to applicants who have legacy status with the school...father, mother, grandfather who went there...plus household income seems to be a major factor too.

Also, while the class before mine saw 12 acceptances to Stanford, my class of of 55 students only saw 4 acceptances. I would say my class was much stronger academically.

Stanford's racial blindness is much better than the UC system's and Berkeley in particular. It's particularly bad here. My freshman year roommate thought bears and dogs were the same species. He asked me questions like "What state is Washington D.C. in?" but he was also valedictorian. He also drove a Jaguar...but he was Mexican.

Stanford is probably as good as any of the top 25 private schools in the nation in this regard.

I mean, sheesh, MIT is even worse..."Males need not apply."
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What is the summer program?
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I really don´t get this affirmative action thing (isn´t that what we are talking about?). When you are valued to a college or uni you should be assessed according to your ability to complete the education and what experience you have, not what bagground, colour or anything else you have. I would be royally pissed if someone who wasn´t as good as me was accepted and I wasn´t just because I didn´t belong to a certain group.

What about looking on the conditions in primary and secondary school and strive to give all kids the same opportunity there? I know it isn´t easy not even in a school system that try to be egalitarian as ours but it would be much more fair than something based on affirmative action-type systems. I would hate to be a white working class kid without parents with money.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>I really don´t get this affirmative action thing (isn´t that what we are talking about?). When you are valued to a college or uni you should be assessed according to your ability to complete the education and what experience you have, not what bagground, colour or anything else you have. I would be royally pissed if someone who wasn´t as good as me was accepted and I wasn´t just because I didn´t belong to a certain group.

What about looking on the conditions in primary and secondary school and strive to give all kids the same opportunity there? I know it isn´t easy not even in a school system that try to be egalitarian as ours but it would be much more fair than something based on affirmative action-type systems. I would hate to be a white working class kid without parents with money.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Racist!
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[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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Racist!</strong><hr></blockquote>



Yes. How is that for a liberal eurocommie scum, eh?
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>



Yes. How is that for a liberal eurocommie scum, eh?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Anyone who questions the US version of AA is hood wearin' racist.
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[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
<strong>

Anyone who questions the US version of AA is hood wearin' racist. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree you are a racist that believes in white supremacy. Most people are not like you however in that they are simply selfish.

College in the US is the most influencial way to effect a person's socio-economic status, breaking barriers for social and economic equality. Under priviledged minorities such as African Americans, Latin Americans and Native Indians are under known as under priviledged for a reason. Many consider these people as a cheap labor force to exploit and that is simply unacceptable. Most who are brave enough to attend college are first in their family to do so. Most come from very modest economic backgrounds.

Simply put, not enough under represented minorities are applying to college so colleges will accept whoever meets their baseline qualifications. I believe Stanford has a baseline of about 1200 on the SAT.

BTW, I can see there is ambivalence in colleges when it comes to AA. They accept wealthy and legacy children and yet "firmly" support AA?

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post #15 of 40
And you don't have to be a "minority" racially in many cases. If you are a minority socially and economically, then you also will under many college's and scholarship's AA policy.

An example of this is the Nation Action Council for Minorities in Engineering. I know several white people that have recieved full scholarhips from them because of their "moveable home that you can drag but sits in a park" background.

<a href="http://www.nacme.org" target="_blank">www.nacme.org</a>

Their list of donors:

[quote]
Corporate Donors

*\tDrexel University
*\tWorldCom Foundation
*\tNASA: Glen Research Center

*\tAccenture
*\tCisco Systems, Inc.
*\tCitigroup Inc.
*\tExxon Education Foundation
*\tGE Fund
*\tIBM Corporation
*\tLehigh University
*\tNew Jersey Institute of Technology
*\tRensselaer Polytechnic Institute
*\tRochester Institute of Technology
*\tNational Science Foundation
*\tVerizon

*\tAT&T Foundation
*\tBP Amoco
*\tClarkson University
*\tDuPont Company
*\tFord Motor Company Fund
*\tGeneral Motors Corporation
*\tLucent Technologies
*\tRice University
*\tShell Oil Company Foundation
*\tSiemens Corporation
*\t3M
*\tXerox Corporation

*\tAlcoa Foundation
*\tBechtel Foundation
*\tBristol-Myers Squibb Company
*\tChevron Corporation
*\tConsolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc.
*\tEastman Kodak Company
*\tGoldman, Sachs & Co.
*\tLockheed Martin Corporation
*\tMerck & Co., Inc. Foundation
*\tMerrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
*\tSony USA Foundation Inc.
*\tTexas A&M University
*\tThe Boeing Company
*\tThe Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
*\tThe Starr Foundation

*\tAbbott Laboratories
*\tAdvanced Micro Devices (AMD)
*\tAir Products & Chemicals, Inc
*\tAmeritech Corporation/SBC Foundation
*\tThe Barkley Fund
*\tThe Procter & Gamble Fund
*\tUnion Carbide Corporation
*\tUnited Engineering Foundation, Inc
*\tUnited Space Alliance

*\tADC Telecommunications
*\tAmerican Electric Power
*\tAtlantic Richfield Corporation
*\tAutomatic Data Processing, Inc.
*\tAvon Products Foundation
*\tBethlehem Steel Foundation
*\tCargill, Inc.
*\tCircuit City Foundation
*\tCompaq Computer Corporation
*\tCravath, Swaine & Moore
*\tDaimlerChrysler Corporation
*\tDominion Resources, Inc.
*\tHolnam Inc.
*\tJP Morgan Chase
*\tMedtronic, Inc.
*\tMorrison Knudsen Corporation
*\tNorthrup Grumman Corporation
*\tNorthwest Airlines, Inc
*\tNovartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation
*\tPACCAR Foundation
*\tPolytechnic University
*\tPPG Industries
*\tRaytheon Company
*\tRockwell International
*\tSchering-Plough Corporation
*\tSchlumberger
*\tTemple University
*\tThe Fluor Foundation
*\tThe Marmon Group, Inc.
*\tTRW Foundation
*\tU.S. Geological Survey
*\tXcel Energy

*\tAyers & Associates
*\tBayer Corporation
*\tBestfood Corporation
*\tCaterpillar Foundation
*\tEmerson Electric Co.
*\tGeneral Mills Foundation
*\tHess Foundation
*\tHoneywell International Foundation
*\tMotorola Foundation
*\tNewport News Shipbuilding
*\tPraxair Foundation, Inc.
*\tSAS Institute
*\tTexas Instruments
*\tThe Walt Disney Company Foundation
*\tUnisys Corporation

*\tAllegheny Power Systems, Inc.
*\tAspen Research Corporation
*\tATOFINA Chemicals
*\tAvnet, Inc.
*\tChampion International Corporation
*\tConsumers Union
*\tDeer Institute for Human Studies
*\tDentsu Institute for Human Studies
*\tEM Publishing Enterprises, Inc.
*\tEthyl Corporation
*\tFederal Communications Commission
*\tFilmTech Corporation
*\tFoundation of Litton Industries
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*\tHowmet Corporation
*\tMassachusetts Institute of Technology
*\tMBNA
*\tMicrosoft Corporation
*\tNational Research Council
*\tNational Society of Black Engineers - Alumni Extension
*\tNational Starch and Chemical
*\tOccidental Petroleum Corporation
*\tOPTIMUS Corporation
*\tPanasonic Foundation
*\tPharmacia & Upjohn Foundation
*\tRohm and Haas Company
*\tSentek Corporation
*\tShomex Productions
*\tState Farm Insurance
*\tState University of New York
*\tTeijin America, Inc.
*\tThe Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
*\tThe Millipore Corporation
*\tThornton-Tomasetti Engineers
*\tTommy Hilfiger Foundation
*\tToyota Motor Manufacturing North America, Inc.
*\tUniversity of Colorado, Boulder

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post #16 of 40
If I grew up under exactly the same conditions as someone else that happened to be of Indian origin, why should that person have an advantage over me just because she is Indian? We had exactly the same possibility in our lifes!

Yes I know that groups of the population is disadvantaged but that isn´t gonna change because some individuals in that group gets a joker. It will never help the large base of the disadvantaged.

Two wrongs don´t make one right. Do something about the first wrong: Ensure that children doesn´t grow up in extreme powerty and the first ten years of education is of comparable same quality across the classes. You´ll be amazed how much a good school and great teachers can do for disadvantaged kids.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
Ensure that children doesn´t grow up in extreme powerty and the first ten years of education is of comparable same quality across the classes. <hr></blockquote>

Republicans won't allow that.
So we skip to the next step...AA.

[quote]You´ll be amazed how much a good school and great teachers can do for disadvantaged kids.<hr></blockquote>

That's exactly the premise of AA. Most under priviledged and under represented minorities in the US have never has access to a good school and great teachers. College is college, and allowing access to a good college with great teachers is one of the steps to battle racism and inequality.

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[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>And you don't have to be a "minority" racially in many cases. If you are a minority socially and economically, then you also will under many college's and scholarship's AA policy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What if I was beaten by my parents and was told constantly that I was shit? Would that also give me privilegdes?

We are all minorities of one and stuff like AA will always treat us like groups thus creating new unfair distinctions. As long as there is AA focus is taken away from the fundamental systematic unjustsness.

On another note: Even Adam Smith recognised that education should be free for everybody. Why you still have to pay for it some places in the world is beyond me.
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[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
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Republicans won't allow that.
So we skip to the next step...AA.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

No you don´t. You fight for the first because AA will NEVER be able to help other than a minority within the minority. AA will always be an excuse for not doing What Should Be Done.

You are sacrificing the large majority for a few selected.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:

What if I was beaten by my parents and was told constantly that I was shit? Would that also give me privilegdes?
<hr></blockquote>

You must be assertive enough to write that in your college application essay, stating how you overcame these challenges to be where you are now. Most colleges will accept you if you meet their baseline requirement in such cases.

You have to realize that many underpriviledged minorities are treated the same way socially and economically.

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post #21 of 40
Affirmative action at the college level is a bit lame for a few reasons.

At that point, the prospective student is usually unable to handle the workload. Guess which ethnic groups have the most drop-outs at UC Berkeley...

Affirmative action should exist, but it shold also be racially blind. What happens when when a rich white boy and a rich black boy have identical transcripts and other merits? Affirmative action is not racially blind.

Affirmative action programs are better suited at the primary education level.

Affirmative action cost my friend his acceptance to Stanford...but it was the reason for another friend's acceptance...but he burned out and dropped out. They both lose under affirmative action.
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I shouldn't have to overcome challenges just to get into a good school. Think about this: My dad goes to a regular college. Then he starts his own business, spends countless hours there so he can get a decnt income. He builds this business up for about 20 years. He has me and with money he has saved from living simply, sends me to a private school so I can get a good education and go to a nice college. He worked his ass off for 20 years running his own business with just a couple people so I wouldn't have to (it's since become REALLY successful but that's another story). This was so I could go to a nice college and wouldn't have any problems and would have a decent life. Then this kid who just happens to be from a different ethnic origin comes along and ruins my, and my dad's dreams. And this kid isn't even nessicarily as good of a student. My dad spends his whole adult life working his ass off so I could have the best education but because I'm white I can't get that. Is that what you call fair???
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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Affirmative action should exist, but it shold also be racially blind. What happens when when a rich white boy and a rich black boy have identical transcripts and other merits? Affirmative action is not racially blind.

Affirmative action programs are better suited at the primary education level.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

What he said (though would you call it affirmative action to create equal conditions for all at the primary school level?)
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post #24 of 40
If i have understand what you where saying : there is quota in some universities.

Quota have been always the subject of a controversial debate. For example in politic, there was the question of a quota for women : some where assuming that it was against the human rights to select the candidates by their sex rather than their qualities the others where arguing it was the only solution to make the things progress.

Personnaly i think that quota are a good things in a non homogenous situation, when the acess to university or others situations is very difficult for minorities. But when the things will improve and get better (i mean that every ethnie or minorities have the same chances), quota will be a bad things.
Social cohesion is interleaved with the abiltiy for everypoeple to have the access of all level of social status. Remove this and it will lead to social trouble or revolution. I think that one great quality of US is that ability (even if not perfect).
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[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>I shouldn't have to overcome challenges just to get into a good school. Think about this: My dad goes to a regular college. Then he starts his own business, spends countless hours there so he can get a decnt income. He builds this business up for about 20 years. He has me and with money he has saved from living simply, sends me to a private school so I can get a good education and go to a nice college. He worked his ass off for 20 years running his own business with just a couple people so I wouldn't have to (it's since become REALLY successful but that's another story). This was so I could go to a nice college and wouldn't have any problems and would have a decent life. Then this kid who just happens to be from a different ethnic origin comes along and ruins my, and my dad's dreams. And this kid isn't even nessicarily as good of a student. My dad spends his whole adult life working his ass off so I could have the best education but because I'm white I can't get that. Is that what you call fair???</strong><hr></blockquote>

No but it is it fair that other kids doesn´t have the same opportunity to have the same "decent" life as yours? Is it fair that other kids have to help to the family economy and by that getting a worse primary education?
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Of course, Nostradamus is the kind of person that would observe race in any situation, even something as trivial as "Senior Pranks"

From that thread:
[quote]When I watch that movie, only one comment comes to my mind.

Bored suburban white kids.

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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No but it is it fair that other kids doesn´t have the same opportunity to have the same "decent" life as yours? Is it fair that other kids have to help to the family economy and by that getting a worse primary education?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your comments do not directly oppose G4Dude's? In his case, race is the deciding factor. In your case, wealth and living conditions are the deciding factors.

And your case is precisely why affirmative action does not work as well the later it is take advantage of. By high school, it's basically too late. By college it's definitely too late, excluding the exceptional, who probably would have been accepted by merit alone anyway.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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Your comments do not directly oppose G4Dude's? In his case, race is the deciding factor. In your case, wealth and living conditions are the deciding factors.

And your case is precisely why affirmative action does not work as well the later it is take advantage of. By high school, it's basically too late. By college it's definitely too late, excluding the exceptional, who probably would have been accepted by merit alone anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree completly with you. All I tried to say was that there still is the original problem with him having better conditions to have a much better schooling than a lot of other kids and something should be done about it. But AA at college and university level isn´t the answer.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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I agree completly with you. All I tried to say was that there still is the original problem with him having better conditions to have a much better schooling than a lot of other kids and something should be done about it. But AA at college and university level isn´t the answer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My point is that my family got to where it is from HARD WORK not a free ride or handouts. If less opportunity is the reward people get for working hard to move up in society than what's the point? I think college admissions offices should not look at race or economic background. I think they should not be allowed to even be put on an application. It should all be based completely on academic performance.

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[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
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My point is that my family got to where it is from HARD WORK not a free ride or handouts. If this is the reward people get for working hard to move up in society than what's the point?</strong><hr></blockquote>

My point is that your father has done a lot to give you a good start in your life. But you haven´t done anything to get as self-sacrificing father as you have

All I want to do is to allow all other kids to have the same opportunities as you have had so their academic performance is minimally influenced by their social bagground.

[quote]<strong> I think college admissions offices should not look at race or economic background. I think they should not be allowed to even be put on an application. It should all be based completely on academic performance.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. And education should be free for everyone so that doesn´t influence your chances of getting the best education compared to your abilities.
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[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
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I agree you are a racist that believes in white supremacy. Most people are not like you however in that they are simply selfish.

College in the US is the most influencial way to effect a person's socio-economic status, breaking barriers for social and economic equality. Under priviledged minorities such as African Americans, Latin Americans and Native Indians are under known as under priviledged for a reason. Many consider these people as a cheap labor force to exploit and that is simply unacceptable. Most who are brave enough to attend college are first in their family to do so. Most come from very modest economic backgrounds.

Simply put, not enough under represented minorities are applying to college so colleges will accept whoever meets their baseline qualifications. I believe Stanford has a baseline of about 1200 on the SAT.

BTW, I can see there is ambivalence in colleges when it comes to AA. They accept wealthy and legacy children and yet "firmly" support AA?

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post #32 of 40
OK, I don't know much about AA... But I have just complete the college application process...
of all the white people (except one person) that I know from my grade that applied to Ivy League schools DID NOT GET ACCEPTED TO ANY OF THEM.... Now these kids are validctorians, 1500+ on the SATs, Extracurriculars up the wazoo--but most of them are upper middle class white males from the northeast--the hardest demographic to be accepted from...

Of all the "minority" friends I have that applied to Ivy League schools 90% of them got in and most of those people got into almost every ivy they applied to... These kids were basically no different from my white friends other then the fact that they were part of a minority group...

Another thing about this situation that is not right is the fact that 90% of these "minority" friends LOOK WHITER THEN I DO... I am 100% Italian (from southern Italy, 4th generation tho...), and I am olive skinned... Yet Italians are considered "white" by the traditional definition of the word... Half of the hispanic friends I have look Irish and English because one parent was white... Wasnt the whole reason for Racism BASED on the color of people's skins?.... I dono I just feel that this whole system (college application process) is wrong and needs to be changed. I do not judge people by the color of their skin or their background...but colleges do?

I am very happy with BC and I look forward to going there, but I can't help but wonder where I would have gotten in if I was a "minority".... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #33 of 40
what are these SAT tests? Are they multiple choice test? If so are they online so I could try them out
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>what are these SAT tests? Are they multiple choice test? If so are they online so I could try them out</strong><hr></blockquote>

hehehe the SAT and the <a href="http://www.collegeboard.org" target="_blank">college board</a> are another problem with the edu system in america.... they are a bigger monopoly then microsoft, but the gov doesnt care... I'm going to start a new thread on this...

Edit: BTW SAT= Standard Aptitude Test but people (read: colleges) are starting to change the meaning to something else (I forget what it is...) because people are complaning that it doesnt measure people's aptitude, just how well they can do on a test...

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[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>Congratulations! </strong><hr></blockquote>

thank you

[quote]I'd say you should go, because this would separate you from the rest of the people. Those types of colleges like the summer enrichment programs. They expect you not to have a life. <hr></blockquote>

Oh, I'm definitely going. I've heard that
1.) they do consider it for the college application process
2.) they don't.

don't really care either way. I've wanted to go there and this will likely be my only chance as I don't see myself making it for real next year.

[quote]
As for Stanford, I know nothing about it.... A friend of mine got in there and is deciding between there and harvard... bastard...


Heh, im only kidding, I'm happy with BC... <hr></blockquote>

wow. I would choose Stanford. I guess you Loyola kids get into some pretty good schools huh.

Have fun at BC. Boston is beautiful.

[quote]I don't know about the summer program, but as an undergraduate, you practically must own a bike.

Stanford is also very Mac friendly. They extend insitution educational prices to students, for example.<hr></blockquote>

Thanks Eugene. The info packet I got reccomended renting a bike when you get there. So I guess I'll have to do that. Apple HQ is 14.5 miles away I believe so I guess I could Bike there

Stanford seems extremely mac friendly. I signed up for the OS X beta test of their software and a number I saw of campus computers was 780+ to 60+ Mac vs PC. Pretty cool.

Do you know what the education discounts are for an iPod at Stanford?

[quote]What is the summer program? <hr></blockquote>

It's a program for high school juniors to spend 10 weeks at Stanford and take stanford undergraduate courses. you get mixed in with the undergraduates for courses and get to pick from all their choices.

it's pretty cool. many private colleges run summer programs of some sort. I was also looking at the Boston U and University of Pennslvania programs but got the Stanford acceptance before I applied to those

Thanks everyone for your help. Even if you did get a little off the topic I hoped would be discussed
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[quote] wow. I would choose Stanford. I guess you Loyola kids get into some pretty good schools huh.

Have fun at BC. Boston is beautiful. <hr></blockquote>

Well, if you are not white <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> .... She happens to be Hispanic... but all she did in HS was work so she deserves it... Not that I know anyone who doesn't, but that doesn't mean white people should be overlooked... It really was bad this year at our school. 0 white kids got into ivys--not even the valedictorian (but he got full boat @ G-town, so he is happy)... whatever, I'm happy thats all that matters right? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

As for the iPod discount I imagine it wouldnt be anymore then the EDU discount ($-30)... I think you are better off getting it at MacZone or some other mail-order place... they usually throw in a case or accesory pack or something...

Hints for the college application process:
If you know stanford is your first choice LIVE at the admissions office when you are there... get to know everyone there... ask questions, be intrested... show them you want to be there... When you get home shoot e-mails back and forth with people you met @ the program... the more people that know you the better...
Apply early (this is a BIG advantage).
Find out what they are lacking in the current student body (this can be hard - you would probably have to ask other undergrads...) find out what the school wants and do your best to give it to them... you are selling yourself to them--the process sucks, but if you have a "hook" that they want you could have a 1000 SAT and 80 avg. and they would take you... (if they felt you could do the minimum amount of work of course...) but I'm 100% positive that your marks are MUCH better then that... you have a better chance then you think, and baseball will only help you... stanford is big on sports right?

Start talking with your college guidance counselor NOW about Stanford... but most of all-relax, have fun and have faith that wherever you end up will be the right place for you... get ready for a long year!

-Paul
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well, just got back from BB King @ BB King's Bar and Grill. Amazing show.

And now I am about to depart. next time I post I'll hopefully be in California. I'm a little scared of flying (alright very scared) so all you religious types out there please say a little prayer


Now I just have to decide whether to take a nap before my 6am flight or just stay up till 4;00 am when I have to leave for JFK.
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Hey - great stuff Applenut.

I'd love to visit Stanford and see some of the music tech research that is conducted there.

If I can remember rigthly, this is the place where Yamaha licensed FM technology from. (Dr John Chowning invented it I think.) Can you say DX7?

OK, OK - it was an extremely popular synthesizer from the 80s... I'm a nut for this type of stuff
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Have fun!
dont worry about the plane ride... it can be a lot of fun if you just relax... did you get Jet Blue?
how was the DTV?
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[quote]Originally posted by Paul:
<strong>Have fun!
dont worry about the plane ride... it can be a lot of fun if you just relax... did you get Jet Blue?
how was the DTV? </strong><hr></blockquote>

well I'm here. Flew out on JetBlue. About 5 hours and 30 minutes. Very nice planes. A little tight on legroom but alright. directv on the plane is so cool. got to watch the world cup but for a saturday morning all you get is paid programming crap. coolest thing though is they have a real time update channel that shows your location, speed, altitude, and path.

Stanford University is beautiful. I drove by Apple yesterday. no one was there. parking lot completely empty, all the lights were off. hopefully i'll hit the company store soon.

tomorrow classes start. that should be fun
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