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A new rumor claims that Apple plans to release a new iPod touch with a high-resolution Retina Display and two cameras -- much like the iPhone 4 -- in "a few weeks."

The well-sourced John Gruber of Daring Fireball noted Tuesday that the forthcoming Dell Streak would cost $300 with a two-year contract from AT&T, and $550 without a contract. He then said that Apple's anticipated iPod touch refresh will add features that the Streak does not have.

"That's almost twice as much as a good iPod touch, and if you wait a few weeks to buy the Touch, you'll get one with a Retina Display and dual cameras," Gruber wrote. "If Dell can't make an iPod touch competitor, who can?"

He declined to elaborate whether the statement about a new iPod touch was a result of inside information, or just reiteration of recent rumors and speculation regarding Apple's anticipated update.

Recently there has been a great deal of evidence to suggest that the new iPod touch will feature a forward facing camera for FaceTime video chat. The latest beta of iOS 4.1 supports Apple's open standard video chat format by inputting a user's e-mail address, a method that would work for a device like the iPod touch that does not have a phone number. And recent purported parts from overseas suppliers showed a space for a forward facing camera.

In addition, Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs said earlier this summer that his company will ship millions of devices compatible with FaceTime this year alone. Currently, only the iPhone 4 is capable of making FaceTime video chat calls over Wi-Fi.

While Apple is expected to hold an event in September to introduce its new iPod lineup, as it has done for the past few years, one recent rumor suggested that Apple could hold an event in August instead. If Gruber's comment of a new iPod touch arriving in "a few weeks" were taken literally, it could lend support to that rumor.
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Sounds good. So when do we see it?
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I'll believe it when I see it. I think he was just reiterating the rumors cause there is no way in hell they can keep the price at $199 and give you dual cam and Retina Display (Which is more expensive then current displays by a good margin I would guess).

All I see is maybe a regular camera in the back, more ram and removal of under clocking on the CPU which is around 800 Mhz but under clocked to around 600. With 800mhz and 512 RAM (256 currently) and a back cam it would still be an awesome device and you can have a voice only FaceTime (which would suck but you can just flip the touch over to show yourself and flip it back to see what others are showing you).
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post #4 of 58
Now I'm hoping for an iOS 4 upgrade for the iPad in August.

Maybe $199 for the old model... sounds a little inexpensive for one with upgraded specs.
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A new rumor claims that Apple plans to release a new iPod touch with a high-resolution Retina Display and two cameras -- much like the iPhone 4 -- in "a few weeks."

The well-sourced John Gruber of Daring Fireball noted Tuesday that the forthcoming Dell Streak would cost $300 with a two-year contract from AT&T, and $550 without a contract. He then said that Apple's anticipated iPod touch refresh will add features that the Streak does not have.

"That's almost twice as much as a good iPod touch, and if you wait a few weeks to buy the Touch, you'll get one with a Retina Display and dual cameras," Gruber wrote. "If Dell can't make an iPod touch competitor, who can?"

He declined to elaborate whether the statement about a new iPod touch was a result of inside information, or just reiteration of recent rumors and speculation regarding Apple's anticipated update.

Recently there has been a great deal of evidence to suggest that the new iPod touch will feature a forward facing camera for FaceTime video chat. The latest beta of iOS 4.1 supports Apple's open standard video chat format by inputting a user's e-mail address, a method that would work for a device like the iPod touch that does not have a phone number. And recent purported parts from overseas suppliers showed a space for a forward facing camera.

In addition, Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs said earlier this summer that his company will ship millions of devices compatible with FaceTime this year alone. Currently, only the iPhone 4 is capable of making FaceTime video chat calls over Wi-Fi.

While Apple is expected to hold an event in September to introduce its new iPod lineup, as it has done for the past few years, one recent rumor suggested that Apple could hold an event in August instead. If Gruber's comment of a new iPod touch arriving in "a few weeks" were taken literally, it could lend support to that rumor.

Ya but the Streak has something the current Touch does not, namely a 5" screen. Imagine a 5" Touch with a 960X640 5" Display vs. the Streak's 800X480 display. Full compatibility with the iPhone which has a 960X640 display and a better resolution than the Streak which costs more than the Touch would.
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Dell had me at Android version 1.6¡
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post #7 of 58
How Shocking...

The new iPod Touch is going to be... wait for it... an iPhone sans the 'phone part', with a slightly different backplate.

Let's hope that Apple's love affair with completely impractical polished-metal case backings are finally over.

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Sounds good. So when do we see it?

Take a good long look at the iPhone 4, and you're almost there
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post #9 of 58
With FaceTime on a sub $500 iPod that comes without subscriptions, we'll be witnessing a revolution in communications.
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Ya but the Streak has something the current Touch does not, namely a 5" screen. Imagine a 5" Touch with a 960X640 5" Display vs. the Streak's 800X480 display. Full compatibility with the iPhone which has a 960X640 display and a better resolution than the Streak which costs more than the Touch would.

Realize that The Dell Streak has a 3g radio and can actually make phone class... in other words, it's a cellular phone, not just a media player/consumption device.
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With FaceTime on a sub $500 iPod that comes without subscriptions, we'll be witnessing a revolution in communications.

... as long as there's a good WiFi signal available.
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... as long as there's a good WiFi signal available.

Sure, only note that currently, a good WiFi signal alone will not give you the same communication options.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Sure, only note that currently, a good WiFi signal alone will not give you the same communication options.

Sure it will - Skype/Google Voice-Gizmo5.
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Realize that The Dell Streak has a 3g radio and can actually make phone class... in other words, it's a cellular phone, not just a media player/consumption device.

Awesome¡ The good news is the Nokia N-Gage will no longer the most ridiculous looking phone people have held to their ear.

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Sure it will - Skype/Google Voice-Gizmo5.

On Nokia N900, sure; I am not aware of another mobile device that does video Skype though. Is there one? Plus, there has to be a way to reach all iPhone 4 owners too, to have more comparable options...
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Apple really should have come up with a more accurate name than 'retina display' given that:

"Apple's claims behind the iPhone 4's Retina Display aren't completely true, display research veteran Raymond Soneira claimed today. While Apple claims that 300 pixels per inch (PPI) is the limit of the human retina and that the iPhone 4's 326PPI easily exceeds it, the DisplayMate president notes that the resolution would need to reach 477PPI for the pixels to truly be 'invisible' to a healthy human eye. Apple's claims don't become completely true until about 1.5 feet from the LCD.

Soneira noted that Apple would likely need to go above the retina's actual resolution to have a visually "perfect" display. Apple's Retina Display claims are thus another example of "spec exaggeration
, he said.
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Awesome¡ The good news is the Nokia N-Gage will no longer the most ridiculous looking phone people have held to their ear.


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Take a good long look at the iPhone 4, and you're almost there

no, it will look more like a small iPad with two cameras.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

How Shocking...

The new iPod Touch is going to be... wait for it... an iPhone sans the 'phone part', with a slightly different backplate.

Let's hope that Apple's love affair with completely impractical polished-metal case backings are finally over.

We'll Know For Sure Around 08 Sep 2010...

i have a feeling they will go with aluminum this time. macbook pro style.
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On Nokia N900, sure; I am not aware of another mobile device that does video Skype though. Is there one? Plus, there has to be a way to reach all iPhone 4 owners too, to have more comparable options...

If the next iPod Touch is going to have FaceTime, as I believe that it will, video Skype calls won't be far behind.
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lol, DaHarder has got no more material to work with, hence dredging up old fud.
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Apple really should have come up with a more accurate name than 'retina display' given that:

"Apple's claims behind the iPhone 4's Retina Display aren't completely true, display research veteran Raymond Soneira claimed today. While Apple claims that 300 pixels per inch (PPI) is the limit of the human retina and that the iPhone 4's 326PPI easily exceeds it, the DisplayMate president notes that the resolution would need to reach 477PPI for the pixels to truly be 'invisible' to a healthy human eye. Apple's claims don't become completely true until about 1.5 feet from the LCD.

Soneira noted that Apple would likely need to go above the retina's actual resolution to have a visually "perfect" display. Apple's Retina Display claims are thus another example of "spec exaggeration
, he said.

Wow. I am sure Steve Jobs is wetting his pants at the thought that "research veteran" (what the heck is that!?) Raymond Soneira (who the heck is that!?) is accusing him of spec exaggeration!
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... Raymond Soneira (who the heck is that!?)...

Looks like he's a veteran indeed:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...001&as_sdtp=on
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Looks like he's a veteran indeed:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...001&as_sdtp=on

Ah, that Raymond.......
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... as long as there's a good WiFi signal available.

you must be paid by the post.. I'd put a little effort into calling you out (again), but now i actually pitty you
post #26 of 58
but this isn't telling us much.

And I would add that the Dell Streak has twice the screen size (size DOES matter) that the iPod has and is a phone so you can use it anywhere. Would love to see the streak available with the iPads data plan, or a 5" iPhone/iPad with cell modem for $299 with the iPad's data plan.
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you must be paid by the post.. I'd put a little effort into calling you out (again), but now i actually pitty you

'Calling Out' about what... The Truth?

Maybe you weren't aware that Apple's FaceTime only (officially) works via WiFi
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post #28 of 58
There is so much speculation right now about what features the iPod Touch will have. I am excited to see it.

How far in advance before an event do they typically send out the invites? 1 week?

I don't think that they will release any new products until the current back to school promotions are completed...
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but this isn't telling us much.

And I would add that the Dell Streak has twice the screen size (size DOES matter) that the iPod has and is a phone so you can use it anywhere. Would love to see the streak available with the iPads data plan, or a 5" iPhone/iPad with the iPad's data plan.

Well, if a larger "screen size (size DOES matter) then the iPad with a 9.7 IPS display is probably close to 4x the area of the Dell Streak and the iPad retails for $50 less than the Dell Streak.

Ever wonder why more people buy 13 Mac notebooks than 17 Mac notebooks. Youre right, screen size does matter but its an ideal screen size because physics affect the size of the device which affects the overall usefulness. Those 4.x" Android phone displays may be pushing the limit of what is comfortable for the average user.
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Well, if a larger "screen size (size DOES matter) then the iPad with a 9.7 IPS display is probably close to 4x the area of the Dell Streak and the iPad retails for $50 less than the Dell Streak.

Ever wonder why more people buy 13 Mac notebooks than 17 Mac notebooks. Youre right, screen size does matter but its an ideal screen size because physics affect the size of the device which affects the overall usefulness. Those 4.x" Android phone displays may be pushing the limit of what is comfortable for the average user.

I found this out myself after purchasing the DROID X only to discover that it offered little more functionally than my DROID I in a less (for me) ergonomically friendly package.

Nonetheless, it's still great to have options.
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Sounds good. So when do we see it?

Assuming that the device actually exists and is currently in a production ramp for a worldwide launch, probably not until the second half of September.
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I'd wager that the new Ipod Touch will look a lot like this:



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I'd wager that the new Ipod Touch will look a lot like this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/12...whiteblack.png

Who Knows...

I don't think we will see the black strip. They will use they back as an a wifi antenna like they did with the iPad.
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I don't think we will see the black strip. They will use they back as an a wifi antenna like they did with the iPad.

... or maybe they won't.

We'll just have to wait and see
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I don't think we will see the black strip. They will use they back as an a wifi antenna like they did with the iPad.

I don't see a white plastic strip or the strip at the bottom when all other Touches (and the iPad) put the strip on the top. Also, the strip on the iPad is for 3G and the plastic Apple logo is for WiFi.

I can't see Apple mirroring the iPad for the Touch. It looks bad and seems impractical to me.

I can see Apple continuing the use of a metal back like they have with all other Touches. Maybe using the same curved black plastic cut out for WiFi and having the camera HW in that same area to better hide it, thus making the device more aesthetically pleasing.

I can also see Apple making the back glass like the iPhone 4. If they go this route it could be a sign of Apple setting up that aesthetic for an eventual back-side touch-panel as shown in a patent filing. However I do find this to be the less likely than my previous guess.
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... or maybe they won't.

We'll just have to wait and see

Indeed we'll see. Just like we've seen that the current iPhone display is the same dimensions as the previous model and not taller like you imagined after iOS 4 keynote
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Indeed we'll see. Just like we've seen that the current iPhone display is the same dimensions as the previous model and not taller like you imagined after iOS 4 keynote

It was more like I'd rather it have been that way, but being constrained by such a large catalog of apps left Apple with no other choice than to merely multiply pixels.

It Happens... and the world will continue to revolve around the sun... unabated.
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post #38 of 58
OMG, someone is earning their bonus at Amalgamated Trolling Services, Inc. He's actually trying to spin the success of the App Store and quadrupling of the pixels on the iPhone display as bad things. He must make DBAG* of the month, every month.


* Not a personal attack, it's an industry term acronym I just made up that stands for: Dishonest Blowhard Award for Guile
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OMG, someone is earning their bonus at Amalgamated Trolling Services, Inc. He's actually trying to spin the success of the App Store and quadrupling of the pixels on the iPhone display as bad things. He must make DBAG* of the month, every month.


* Not a personal attack, it's an industry term acronym I just made up that stands for: Dishonest Blowhard Award for Guile

Amazing, isn't it?
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OMG, someone is earning their bonus at Amalgamated Trolling Services, Inc. He's actually trying to spin the success of the App Store and quadrupling of the pixels on the iPhone display as bad things. He must make DBAG* of the month, every month.


* Not a personal attack, it's an industry term acronym I just made up that stands for: Dishonest Blowhard Award for Guile

How's it 'trolling' (the AI-Etite's standard/tired insult for anything/anyone with whom they disagree), when it's the obvious truth.

You can't believe that Apple just looked up one day and randomly decided upon a display resolution as unorthodox as 960 x 640 -
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