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Don't confuse my screen name for an accurate description of me, or my post total here for an accurate approximation of my experience on forums like this one.

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I didn't choose your screen name, you did. If you're having a tough time trying to find a more accurate description of who you are .... try using the synonym function of spellcheck!
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post #122 of 186
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I didn't choose your screen name, you did. If you're having a tough time trying to find a more accurate description of who you are .... try using the synonym function of spellcheck!

I've been using this nickname online for about 10 years now. I don't have a problem with it. I have been trying to keep this (entertaining and thought provoking) discussion from becoming a personal attack flamewar, it'd be nice if everyone did.
post #123 of 186
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These arrogant customers must be stopped from using their product and having fun.

LOL no doubt!... Right Apple, pressing one physical button is going to "confuse customers." Give me a break.
post #124 of 186
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I've been using this nickname online for about 10 years now. I don't have a problem with it. I have been trying to keep this (entertaining and thought provoking) discussion from becoming a personal attack flamewar, it'd be nice if everyone did.

Really?

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You need to shut up. Your ignorance is showing.
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post #125 of 186
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Really?

Post81

You need to shut up. Your ignorance is showing.
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I let him slide with that one. The next time he won't be so lucky.

E-fight!!!!
post #126 of 186
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Originally Posted by Dimwit View Post

So, which is a developer agreement? "rule of law" or "rule of society"? When you say law, please tell me when I can expect to hear about an arrest in the heinous case.
Dim

Rules of law are a subset of the rules of society, so technically you are doing both: breaking a rule of society, and breaking a rule of civil, not criminal (thus no arrest), law.
post #127 of 186
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Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post

When did Apple users start becoming so moronic. What a shame.

It happened around the time the iPhone was unveiled. I mean that in all seriousness.
post #128 of 186
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

What rules did our founding fathers break? They were willing to KILL for a little freedom. This nation was founded by rebels who were willing to stand up to authority and BREAK RULES. you spineless sheep have a right to blindly follow whomever you wish, but don't think you are what this nation is about. And BTW, Jobs and Woz broke plenty of rules, as did most innovators.

Do you really want to trivialize the American revolution by equating it with a camera app?

Besides, the founding fathers felt they were following a higher law (emphasis mine):

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Do you really think the Camera+ developer(s) felt he/she/they were acting according to principles which, "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them," or were they just trying to sneak a feature by Apple?
post #129 of 186
From my point of view, as long as the technology can really bring convenience and benefit to customers, it rocks...... You bet, it is under the condition that it doesn't violate laws, etc..... I don't think there should be any "so-called standard" in the development of products...... Customers should have prioty over "so-called" rules...... The conservative actions will only hinder its prosperity.....
post #130 of 186
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From my point of view, as long as the technology can really bring convenience and benefit to customers, it rocks...... You bet, it is under the condition that it doesn't violate laws, etc..... I don't think there should be any "so-called standard" in the development of products...... Customers should have prioty over "so-called" rules...... The conservative actions will only hinder its prosperity.....


Customers do have priority over "so-called" rules .... they can reject them, thereby depriving the owner of the technology profits lost on a non sale.

The problem here is ... certain people want the "technology" that Apple provides but without the rules that Apple has every right as the owner to put forth. You can't have it both ways, people. Why is this so hard to understand? ..... color me confused.

btw ... are the conservative actions of Apple hurting it's prosperity?
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post #131 of 186
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

It got them a lot of attention and it showed that they could do it. If everyone just slavishly follows the rules life becomes a little dull. Jobs himself said it was better to be a pirate than join the navy - stretching what authority says you can do is fun.

But they didn't do it. Apple can even pull the app from our devices if they want, and then allow us to download the newer one without the feature.

So where does that leave them and all the users who did what they said to do?

Right back where they started! And they didn't need the publicity, they were doing far better than they expected to do with this app. It's possible that this will cost them money.
post #132 of 186
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Originally Posted by scottw62 View Post

My question is this: Why does a device that shuns buttons (i.e. a keyboard) have buttons to begin with? Why not a tap on the screen to open the window that opens anyway and have a slider to adjust the volume? I have always wondered that. Everything else on the phone (control wise anyway) is done by sliding. The phone would only have a on / off button, and the mute function could be added to a profile function accessed from the home button. Double click and hold the home button, get a profile drop down, select the style of ringer you want, and done. The notion of the "buttonless" phone is not being fully explored here. The fact that the screen can be whatever you want on it is amazing. The fact that Apple thinks the millions of iPhone buyers are just too dumb to figure out these things is just stupid. The bottom line of this is that it gave you the OPTION of using the button, and, ONLY in this app. If Grandma is more at ease tapping the screen, fine. She wouldn't have bought this app in the first place. Score ANOTHER one for BlackBerry. On THEIR phones, you can make the buttons do what you want. Guess what Jobs is saying is that BB owners are smarter?

Because if it's in your pocket, you need to have buttons.
post #133 of 186
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Well that's a very good point.

Who knows what other taptaptap apps or updates will or won't be approved after this? (I currently own three of their apps, though I'm still on 3.0.1 so I'm sort of used to being passed over for app updates...)

Would Apple pull their developer license over something like this? Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if that happened. But what other "big hammer" does Apple have?

Apple hasn't held grudges. When they fix the app, it will be back.
post #134 of 186
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

The fact that there was some incentive to do it also demonstrates that the approved method of executing the shutter, i.e. a button on the screen, is not really that convenient. Maybe the entire screen should be the button, however that would be a non-standard interface as well. Currently when you have your shot composed, you have to refocus your attention on the button instead of the shot, often moving the camera in the process. On a real camera you can hold your finger at the ready on a physical switch while concentrating on the composition. With the iPhone, not so much.

I understand this. But still, the rules are the rules, and Apple enforces them when they find a violation. Developers know this, and shouldn't be trying to get around them. What if you're listening to music, and suddenly want to take a shot? Very possibly you don't want to stop your music, but after you open this app, you decide to lower the volume while taking pictures. You can't, without getting out of the app, adjusting the volume, and then opening the app again. Even with fast app switching, it's a pain, and you may miss some shots.

You know who will be blamed for that, don't you? Apple. Not the developer. Why? Because most people aren't that smart about these things. So Apple has these rules in place. If they think that doing something will result in a problem for the user, they won't allow it.

It's even likely that Apple played around with a lot of these ideas, and fount most of them to cause more problems for a lot of people than good. So they don't allow it. It's not arbitrary.

so when a developer knows that Apple on't allow something but thinks they can slip it in anyway, that's both stupid and arrogant.
post #135 of 186
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Originally Posted by Dimwit View Post

So, I should look forward to an arrest?

As far as I can tell, this developer didn't do anything wrong to begin with, yes they tried to push the limits of the dev agreement, maybe they were trying to demonstrate that in certain instances, the rules are too tight. Obviously, Apples vaunted app review process let the app through with the code to enable this easter egg in place. Is that not evidence of at least tacit approval on Apples part?

I'll say it again, I have NO problem with Apple pushing back when this egg went public, or with Tap3 putting it in in the first place. It never should have went public, but that's another story.

On the other hand, the fervor this has stirred up on the net has to mean there is more than a little interest in this "feature".

Cheers,
Dim

They weren't trying to "push" the limits of the developer agreement. The broke the rules. That's very different.
post #136 of 186
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

What rules did our founding fathers break? They were willing to KILL for a little freedom. This nation was founded by rebels who were willing to stand up to authority and BREAK RULES. you spineless sheep have a right to blindly follow whomever you wish, but don't think you are what this nation is about. And BTW, Jobs and Woz broke plenty of rules, as did most innovators.

This doesn't equate to the Revolution you know. This is a contract both parties entered into. The developer agreed to abide by the terms of the contract, and then didn't.

There are more meaning to "break the rules" than you're acknowledging.

There's the metaphorical meaning, which is what people who come up with new, but legal and moral ways to do something that's better than what was done before. and then there's the ethically and morally reductive act of breaking a contract you entered into when there's no proper reason to do so, e.g. the other side doing something that's was already stretching or breaking the terms. The latter is what happened here.
post #137 of 186
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

My experience is exactly the opposite. I find that I have to retake some photos on my iP4 because the act of physically tapping the screen will move the phone ever so slightly. Enough to cause blur in the picture. And no, I don't have a shaky hand and I'm tapping or touching the shutter release button ever so slightly. On my Nikon D-SLR, I've got my right index finger on the shutter, I push it down halfway to lock in the focus and exposure and then the rest of the way to snap the pic. The extra mass of my D-SLR and lens provide extra stability that the light and compact iPhone can't provide. Obviously, I'm not expecting the iPhone to be a replacement for a D-SLR. Personally, having a volume button act as a shutter release while this app is running would have been a good thing, but, to each his own and all that.

Use the self timer...no tap shutter control.
post #138 of 186
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Really?

Post81

You need to shut up. Your ignorance is showing.
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Dim

In all fairness to me, I did say "trying"
post #139 of 186
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Originally Posted by Dimwit View Post

In all fairness to me, I did say "trying"

I agree, very trying. ..... Sorry, couldn't resist that huge straight line you gave me.
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post #140 of 186
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No, I don't think that at all. I can differentiate between breaking the law and breaking the rules.

Can you say "slippery slope" ?
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post #141 of 186
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This doesn't equate to the Revolution you know. This is a contract both parties entered into. The developer agreed to abide by the terms of the contract, and then didn't.

There are more meaning to "break the rules" than you're acknowledging.

There's the metaphorical meaning, which is what people who come up with new, but legal and moral ways to do something that's better than what was done before. and then there's the ethically and morally reductive act of breaking a contract you entered into when there's no proper reason to do so, e.g. the other side doing something that's was already stretching or breaking the terms. The latter is what happened here.

I don't think it's all that different. Not living up to a legal contract in most circumstances means breaking the law just as what the founding fathers did. There is always choice. You can choose to not develop iPhone apps or if you are too unhappy with American laws, you can choose to leave or move west if one lived in colonial times.


I don't know if this is a publicity stunt by taptaptap or not but it seems pretty dumb to get a top app pulled because of this feature. Considering these are supposed to be the ones behind Mac Heist a publicity stunt is entirely possible.

There are apps, however, that I appreciate breaking the rules because they are unjust such as Handy Light which I managed to pick up before it was pulled. Tethering should be allowed if there is a data cap and it's a cash grab by AT&T because the rules unjustly benefit them.
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Can you say "slippery slope" ?

Yes, and I don't think it is one. Laws are created or controlled by elected officials who can be got rid of if they push their luck. Rules are not.

To be honest I worry far more about corporations with expensive lawyers restricting our freedoms than I do politicians creating mad laws.

I anticipate that this will illicit replies of, "if you don't like Apples rules you can always buy Android/Windows/Linux", and I agree with that. But I also feel there is no problem with a company being given a tweak from time to time.
post #143 of 186
I know they are averse to physical controls but a iphone should really have had a dedicated shutter button in the first place. First press launches the camera app of your choice. second press snaps the photo.
post #144 of 186
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Because if it's in your pocket, you need to have buttons.


All you need is one button. That is why Steve put only one button on the front of the iPhone. Genius.

Typical iPhone customers get all hinky when they look at a Blackberry. Look at all those confusing buttons! I can't learn that! It is too confusing!

But Steve took away all the buttons. Steve knows that they will look at the iPhone, see one button, and press it.

And then what happens? IT TELLS YOU HOW TO USE IT! SLIDE TO UNLOCK!!!

One button is the perfect number.
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"So after two short months in the App Store, Camera+ has pulled in a whopping half a million dollars," wrote John Casasanta, head of tap tap tap and creator of the MacHeist promotion. "Needless to say, we couldn't be more pleased."

If I were them I would've been a lot more pleased had I not intentionally screwed up a seriously successful app, and the revenues were still coming in.
post #146 of 186
Not that I care about a silly camera app but Apple is behaving as if it is still the only option in town.

With Android's meteoric rise, every time a micro-managing story like this surfaces, Android benefits.

Is that really a good strategy?
post #147 of 186
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

My experience is exactly the opposite. I find that I have to retake some photos on my iP4 because the act of physically tapping the screen will move the phone ever so slightly. Enough to cause blur in the picture. And no, I don't have a shaky hand and I'm tapping or touching the shutter release button ever so slightly. On my Nikon D-SLR, I've got my right index finger on the shutter, I push it down halfway to lock in the focus and exposure and then the rest of the way to snap the pic. The extra mass of my D-SLR and lens provide extra stability that the light and compact iPhone can't provide. Obviously, I'm not expecting the iPhone to be a replacement for a D-SLR. Personally, having a volume button act as a shutter release while this app is running would have been a good thing, but, to each his own and all that.

Don't tap!!

It releases the shutter when you *remove* your finger. There is *no* wobble! I tried the Camera+ hack and it's nice but introduce more wobble/movement.

Do the people here even own iPhones?
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Not that I care about a silly camera app but Apple is behaving as if it is still the only option in town.

No they arent. They have never denied the existence of other competitors out there. Apple is like any other business, they offer a service that you are free to accept or not.
post #149 of 186
C'mon AI, where's Camera app-gate?

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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

Yes, and I don't think it is one. Laws are created or controlled by elected officials who can be got rid of if they push their luck. Rules are not.

What I'm talking about is not who makes the laws/rules .... but rather whether our own individual character allows us to break them without even a modicum sense of decency. In my mind, at least, the only thing that separates rules from laws is not who makes them but rather the severity of the penalty for breaking them..

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To be honest I worry far more about corporations with expensive lawyers restricting our freedoms than I do politicians creating mad laws.

So do I, but I fail to see what this has to do with our discussion about a company who tries to circumvent a signed agreement for financial gain. Please, help me out here ....
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I anticipate that this will illicit replies of, "if you don't like Apples rules you can always buy Android/Windows/Linux", and I agree with that. But I also feel there is no problem with a company being given a tweak from time to time.

Well, you can use semantics to give an action a more acceptable view but.... calling an attempt to circumvent a signed agreement to further your financial gain is not the same as "giving a company a tweak" , at least not in my book.

I suspect that if you were the owner of a product/service that someone else was trying steal .... you might not be so forgiving of this action.

Let me put it this way. Apple has spent millions of dollars and an untold amount of energy creating a brand name and a brand image. This brand name/image is worth millions of dollars and is built on product "ease of use" and customer satisfaction that's largely based based on that philosophy. This fact, IMHO, cannot be disputed. Apple has been very diligent in "protecting" this image, as they should be. This camera app has done something that, in Apples opinion, at least, threatens to diminish Apple's brand/image by potentially causing confusion over the function of a certain button. Whether we agree with Apple on this point or not does not matter. It is not our decision to make. If an individual wants to jailbreak their iPhone is one thing, but this developer wants to use Apple's App Store for financial gain (over 500K to date) without following the rules that they willingly agreed to by signing the damn agreement in the first place. How in hell this action can even be considered to be morally correct is beyond me. To even have to argue this point mystifies me. What kind of a society do we wish to live in if this kind of action is not only allowed, but encouraged. What a message to be sending our kids. ...... rant over ....
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Not that I care about a silly camera app but Apple is behaving as if it is still the only option in town.

With Android's meteoric rise, every time a micro-managing story like this surfaces, Android benefits.

Is that really a good strategy?

Is there an inverse relationship between Apple's UI consistency and Android benefitting? I didn't realize the world worked like that. I must have missed this memo. So consistent, malware-free Apps that do what they advertise on the iPhone benefits Android OS? Uh, no, I think iPhone wins on that one.

Android fans have perpetuated the myth that iPhone fans are sheep living in a walled garden. And if they just knew the freedom that awaited them on the other side of The Matrix, they'd want it (yeah, right). Well, they're not sheep. They are affluent, educated consumers who made a choice. Apple has never misrepresented what the App Store was about: it's a walled garden. And a lot of consumers want in.

Android fans also believe that the smartphone world has boiled down to a polar struggle between iPhone and Android, which way oversimplifies reality. Just ignore everything else. Ignore Blackberry, ignore Symbian, ignore Windows. They don't benefit. The only alternative to Coke is Pepsi, says Pepsi. So if Coke loses a customer, Pepsi wins. No one else wins, says Pepsi. And only sheep believe that.

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What I'm talking about is not who makes the laws/rules .... but rather whether our own individual character allows us to break them without even a modicum sense of decency. In my mind, at least, the only thing that separates rules from laws is not who makes them but rather the severity of the penalty for breaking them..


So do I, but I fail to see what this has to do with our discussion about a company who tries to circumvent a signed agreement for financial gain. Please, help me out here ....


Well, you can use semantics to give an action a more acceptable view but.... calling an attempt to circumvent a signed agreement to further your financial gain is not the same as "giving a company a tweak" , at least not in my book.

I suspect that if you were the owner of a product/service that someone else was trying steal .... you might not be so forgiving of this action.

Let me put it this way. Apple has spent millions of dollars and an untold amount of energy creating a brand name and a brand image. This brand name/image is worth millions of dollars and is built on product "ease of use" and customer satisfaction that's largely based based on that philosophy. This fact, IMHO, cannot be disputed. Apple has been very diligent in "protecting" this image, as they should be. This camera app has done something that, in Apples opinion, at least, threatens to diminish Apple's brand/image by potentially causing confusion over the function of a certain button. Whether we agree with Apple on this point or not does not matter. It is not our decision to make. If an individual wants to jailbreak their iPhone is one thing, but this developer wants to use Apple's App Store for financial gain (over 500K to date) without following the rules that they willingly agreed to by signing the damn agreement in the first place. How in hell this action can even be considered to be morally correct is beyond me. To even have to argue this point mystifies me. What kind of a society do we wish to live in if this kind of action is not only allowed, but encouraged. What a message to be sending our kids. ...... rant over ....

I don't think you're wrong in anything you say, but I see things from a slightly different angle.

Maybe you're right and I'm not as moral of a person as you are, but my assessment of this is nobody has been hurt (except possibly the developer, who I suspect knew their app would get pulled when Apple found out what they had done), and the developers are probably having a laugh about the time they got one over the mighty Apple, even if it was only for a short time. Heck, I'd like to think that even Apple are having a chuckle about someone pulling something that cheeky.

I think the difference between you and me is that I do differentiate between the important rules and laws, and the ones that I think can be stretched a little, whereas you obviously accept the need to follow everything you are told to the letter.

You say, "it is not our decision to make" and I say as free people that it is. You can decide if you want to obey or the rules or not. If you decide not, you will probably get caught and that will have consequences, but you might have some fun whilst doing it. That doesn't mean I think if it's fun, do it, because if you having fun might have a seriously negative effect on others, you shouldn't. To reference your original point, I could decide to speed, and going at 150MPH would be tremendous fun, but I might kill someone, so that's not close to acceptable.

The ability to make these decisions are the fundamental nature of freedom in my opinion.
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.... but my assessment of this is nobody has been hurt Heck, I'd like to think that even Apple are having a chuckle about someone pulling something that cheeky.

As I previously stated, Apple has decided that this app harms their brand/image. Yea, they're laughing so hard they pulled the app.

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You say, "it is not our decision to make" and I say as free people that it is. You can decide if you want to obey or the rules or not.

That's not quite true .... as an individual living in a free society, we don't have the "right" to disobey rules, regulations, and/or laws .... we only have the ability to "do or not do". Trying to wrap our ability (to make up our own minds about what laws and such to obey or disobey) in the cloak of freedom does a disservice to the discussion, imo.

The issue, I think, is simply this .... do we think the developer's attempt to ignore an agreement they signed on to is morally correct or not .... I think not. Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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That's not quite true .... as an individual living in a free society, we don't have the "right" to disobey rules, regulations, and/or laws .... we only have the ability to "do or not do". Trying to wrap our ability (to make up our own minds about what laws and such to obey or disobey) in the cloak of freedom does a disservice to the discussion, imo.

The issue, I think, is simply this .... do we think the developer's attempt to ignore an agreement they signed on to is morally correct or not .... I think not. Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Living in a free society does mean you can do whatever you want to do. It doesn't mean there won't be repercussions... I can do 90 mph in a school zone, but I'll likely face the consequences of losing the right to exercise that freedom for a while.
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I have to disagree with you on this one. Living in a free society does mean you can do whatever you want to do. It doesn't mean there won't be repercussions... I can do 90 mph in a school zone, but I'll likely face the consequences of losing the right to exercise that freedom for a while.
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The simple fact that there are repercussions tells me that we don't have the right to do whatever we want ...... if we had the right .... there would not be repercussions.

There is a huge difference between having the ability and having the right to do anything. Anyone who can make a decision can decide to obey laws or not ... it has nothing whatsoever to do with living in a free society .... hell, you can live under a dictatorship and break laws ... the same way you can in a free society ..... ability does equal right, pure and simple.
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Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'll agree with you 100% on that!

I would like to say it's been nice to have a disagreement of opinion with someone on this site in such a civilised way. That seems an increasingly infrequent thing to me.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

What rules did our founding fathers break? They were willing to KILL for a little freedom. This nation was founded by rebels who were willing to stand up to authority and BREAK RULES. you spineless sheep have a right to blindly follow whomever you wish, but don't think you are what this nation is about. And BTW, Jobs and Woz broke plenty of rules, as did most innovators.

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My point is simply this. Imho, the developer was in the wrong here and to romanticize that behavior by using the rebel label sends an inappropriate message that that behavior should be encouraged. I think that's a poor message to send. \

Have to agree with nb here. First, a developer has the right to enter into an agreement with Apple to develop apps for the iPhone or to take their business elsewhereBB, Android, Palm????. By signing the agreement, he/she agrees to abide by the terms of the agreement. Whether Apple's agreement is draconian is not relevant. The developer has a choice whether or not to accept or reject the terms or to negotiate with Apple for better terms (as if this will happenbut who knows).

It's Apple's system and if they want control what goes in the App store is their choice. In the long run, the consumer will decide if Apple has made the right choicesiPhone, Black Berry or Androidtheir choice.

FYI some information regarding Apple's Developers' Agreement:

Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing, no interpreted code may be downloaded or used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apples Documented APIs and built-in interpreter(s). Notwithstanding the foregoing, with Apples prior written consent, an Application may use embedded interpreted code in a limited way if such use is solely for providing minor features or functionality that are consistent with the intended and advertised
purpose of the Application.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...ore-inclusive/

All Your Apps Are Belong to Apple: The iPhone Developer Program License Agreement
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http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03...-agreement-all

Apple Developer Agreement:

3.3.2\tAn Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise. No interpreted code may be downloaded or used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Documented APIs and built- in interpreter(s).
3.3.3\tWithout Apples prior written approval or as permitted under Section 3.3.19, an Application may not provide, unlock or enable additional features or functionality through distribution mechanisms other than the App Store.

http://www.eff.org/files/20100127_iphone_dev_agr.pdf

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I'll agree with you 100% on that!

I would like to say it's been nice to have a disagreement of opinion with someone on this site in such a civilised way. That seems an increasingly infrequent thing to me.


I echo those comments to you as well ..... have a great weekend.
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I was going to post this last night but I lost my Internet connection

Glad to see we're on the same page and that you got your internet back again.
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Developer entered into an agreement with Apple by choice.

Details of agreement were fully disclosed to developer.

Developer went ahead and developed an app.

Developer violated agreement down the road.

Developer's app gets pulled.



So what's all the debating about??
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