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In 1900, a substantial number of Americans were worked like farm animals, living in factory towns and making starvation wages. Do your stats include them? Or are you talking about White America?

And today's stats - are you including the substantial number of ESL folks in there?

Or do you just make this shit up without knowing the basis for your "facts"?

Do you really have to have someone show you the Harvard and Yale research papers for this information, or can you not use your brain and test how efficient Google is to get that information for yourself?
post #122 of 146
Another lame story from Daniel. Some other phone has reception problems and its an excuse to say that phones exist with even worse reception than the iPhone 4.
post #123 of 146
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Originally Posted by inkswamp View Post

Why? Because you say so? Are you an authority on the etymology of English words?

That's how language evolves. It has always worked like that. There are many, many words and phrases in English that emerge from an unrelated event and come to have other, broader meanings. You use those words all the time. Have you ever uttered the phrase "bug" in the context that it's a glitch in software? Then, you've done exactly the same thing as people who add "-gate" to the end of a word. Are people who use the term "computer bug" also idiots? That phrase came from a specific event and later evolved to represent an entire class of things. Just like "-gate."

Like it or not, the suffix "-gate" will probably enter the language as signifying a scandalous or notorious series of events. And that will be no different and no less legitimate than how thousands of other words have entered the language.

Well..... yes and no.

Certainly neologisms enter the language and sometimes endure as general usage terms.

However, the "-gate" thing is largely the creature of an indolent mass-media which seeks to position complex events within easily digestible memes. As such, it has more in common with ad slogans than it does a term like "bug", which actually serves as a useful concept in every day life.

How many conversational speakers actually reach for the "-gate" construction to describe events in their lives? It's almost always applied from the top down, as a glib, typically agenda driven term of approbation, not to say slander. That kind of calculated, fraught dissemination of terminology is different from the kind of organic evolution of colloquial speech that you're holding up as the model. Something along the lines of the complete devaluation of "socialist" as a meaningful term beyond "something I don't like", which is not an evolutionary enrichment but rather a case of willful, motivated stupidity designed to achieve a particular end.

I think it's within that sense that the gate construction was being called stupid, and I think it's a reasonable conclusion.
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post #124 of 146
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Well..... yes and no.

Certainly neologisms enter the language and sometimes endure as general usage terms.

However, the "-gate" thing is largely the creature of an indolent mass-media which seeks to position complex events within easily digestible memes. As such, it has more in common with ad slogans than it does a term like "bug", which actually serves as a useful concept in every day life.

How many conversational speakers actually reach for the "-gate" construction to describe events in their lives? It's almost always applied from the top down, as a glib, typically agenda driven term of approbation, not to say slander. That kind of calculated, fraught dissemination of terminology is different from the kind of organic evolution of colloquial speech that you're holding up as the model. Something along the lines of the complete devaluation of "socialist" as a meaningful term beyond "something I don't like", which is not an evolutionary enrichment but rather a case of willful, motivated stupidity designed to achieve a particular end.

I think it's within that sense that the gate construction was being called stupid, and I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

The other negative aspect of applying "-gate" to anything remotely scandal-like is that it trivializes the original, so, unless it involves political espionage, a US President who believes himself above the law (necessary, but not sufficient, we've had several of those), perjury, obstruction of justice, general trampling on the constitution and conspiracy to commit all of the above criminal acts (I may have left a few out) and subvert our democracy, find another suffix. At least in the 80's there was a little originality left, otherwise, we would have had Iran-Contragate, and that was much more similar that any of these other pretender -gates.
post #125 of 146
Does this mean Leo Laporte will spend hours and hours harping on and on about the Droid antenna, the way he did the iPhone? Surely not.
post #126 of 146
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Originally Posted by guch20 View Post

I've got $500 saying the national news and the vast majority of local news outlets will not pounce on this or even mention it in passing. It's not that the media is unfair to Apple, it's that nobody really gives a damn about Android.

I don't think you'll hear much about it because everyone is tired of the topic, regardless of which phone is involved. Gotta move on to the next hot topic for the week.
post #127 of 146
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

He he he! Now what are the apple haters going to do???????

I would lucky-guess they will keep hating Apple, not unlike what Microsoft and Google haters will do regarding their respective hate-objects.

But to confirm that you'd have to check on other forums... here you can mostly find out what everything-non-Apple haters are doing
post #128 of 146
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Hello new troll! So, what you are saying is that the Droid phones suffer from the same antenna problems as everyone got hysterical about for the iP4?

No, I'm suggesting the Droid 2 hasn't entered into anything like the "Antennagate" situation of the iPhone 4. Varying signal without even touching the phone is completely different than the death touch/antennagate issue that is exclusive to the iPhone 4.

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Welcome aboard the reality bandwagon.

You mean, welcome to the club of AI spinsters.
post #129 of 146
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

No, I'm suggesting the Droid 2 hasn't entered into anything like the "Antennagate" situation of the iPhone 4. Varying signal without even touching the phone is completely different than the death touch/antennagate issue that is exclusive to the iPhone 4.


You mean, welcome to the club of AI spinsters.

Oh, is that what you're doing? Well, good to know, but you aren't very good at it. This signal all over the place without even having to touch it does in fact sound much worse. Troll on, though, dude.
post #130 of 146
The interesting thing I notice about the rare bar drops (never call drops) on my iPhone 4 is that it really seems to be the general grip, and not the metal, that has the largest effect: I can vary whether or not I touch the metal gap and see very little effect. But holding it in my hand (even without touching the gap) has a large effect. So the main thing with the iPhone 4 really does seem to be the SAME thing other phones have, with the new factor being relatively minor.
post #131 of 146
Verizon is evil... I know... I've dealt with their billing dept.

Honestly though... best-case scenario, assuming this thing rolls out to be simple attenuation + software--do you honestly think Motorola and/or Verizon is going to offer a free case to all those who bought it, let alone those affected?

Personally, I thought the whole "free case" for the iPhone 4 began as a pacifier for the press/media yet was the ultimate up-selling tool for customers... not only do you get the #1 phone, but you get a free case. One thing I do know about people having worked in retail at least once in my life--people always want free s-t no matter what it is. It's also why car dealers give out free oil changes when you buy a new car--it costs them practically nothing, and they make a buttload of money on the car in return.
post #132 of 146
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Oh, is that what you're doing? Well, good to know, but you aren't very good at it. This signal all over the place without even having to touch it does in fact sound much worse.

And it should stop people from buying Droid2 as much as the iPhone 4.

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Troll on, though, dude.

Reality sucks, doesn't it?
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And it should stop people from buying Droid2 as much as the iPhone 4.

And, yet, you're here trying to argue that the iPhone 4 "antenna issue" is actually much worse than the Droid 2. Make up your mind. Or at least don't come making stupid troll comments when you don't have a leg to stand on.
post #134 of 146
I just got a Motorola Droid 2 myself. I can tell you from my personal experience that it does randomly change bars on the display. Although, as someone else has already pointed out, the bars display is more of an idiot guide. The true signal strength is in dBm and you need to get into the test screens to see that info. My guess is that motorola doesn't know how to write software (big surprise).
post #135 of 146
Looks less like a hardware issue and more like a firmware issue to me....
post #136 of 146
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And, yet, you're here trying to argue that the iPhone 4 "antenna issue" is actually much worse than the Droid 2. Make up your mind. Or at least don't come making stupid troll comments when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Depends on what you consider "worse".

As most people have pointed out, the bars are really just a visual representation of the signal. Which can be screwed up due to a bug in the code. Even if it shows zero bars, the signal itself could very well not be affected. Android has a status option where you can see the actual dBm. While I've read a lot about the bars going all over the place, I haven't heard much about the call being dropped.

Contrast this with the iPhone 4s where if you actually bridge the gap, the phone call does drop. I've tried this first-hand with two different iPhone 4s and it's happened every time I did it on both phones.

In this respect, I do think that the iPhone 4's "issue" is worse.
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post #137 of 146
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Depends on what you consider "worse".

As most people have pointed out, the bars are really just a visual representation of the signal. Which can be screwed up due to a bug in the code. Even if it shows zero bars, the signal itself could very well not be affected. Android has a status option where you can see the actual dBm. While I've read a lot about the bars going all over the place, I haven't heard much about the call being dropped.

Contrast this with the iPhone 4s where if you actually bridge the gap, the phone call does drop. I've tried this first-hand with two different iPhone 4s and it's happened every time I did it on both phones.

In this respect, I do think that the iPhone 4's "issue" is worse.

Oh, Bob, you're such a hypocrite. It wasn't OK that the apparent signal changes on the iP4 didn't represent reality, but it's just fine with you if that's the case with the Droid 2. How can we take seriously someone who will just say anything to try to make his point.
post #138 of 146
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Oh, Bob, you're such a hypocrite. It wasn't OK that the apparent signal changes on the iP4 didn't represent reality, but it's just fine with you if that's the case with the Droid 2. How can we take seriously someone who will just say anything to try to make his point.

Have you seen the YouTube videos and videos from the tech blogs?! While the issue was blown up by the media to an extent, the issue itself with the iPhone 4 was very much verifyable.

You bridge the gap and not only do the bars drop, but the call itself drops as well. That's the issue the iPhone 4 has to deal with. If you hold it in a natural grip, there's a chance you'll bridge the gap and cause your call to drop. In this case, the bars do represent the signal strength dropping.

On the other hand, the Droid 2 seems to be a purely software issue where the bars are jumping all over the place, but the signal itself doesn't actually seem to be affected, as I haven't read reports of calls or data being dropped. You can be on a call with the bars jumping from zero to full, from 3G to 1x, but the call won't be dropped.

Two completely different issues. Apple had to release a "hardware" fix in the way of the bumper. It seems like Motorola can release a software fix OTA and this issue should go away.
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post #139 of 146
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

[Blah, blah, blah, iPhone 4 sucks, blah blah blah]

Yeah sure Bob, whatever you say.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Yeah sure Bob, whatever you say.

Considering that you're resorting to childish remarks (I believe your quote above was a viable comeback when I was in 4th grade) and essentially just plugging your ears going "lalala", I'm afraid you're the one that's hard to take seriously here.

Nowhere did I say "iPhone 4 sucks". You're putting words in my mouth.

What I'm saying is that you might be misrepresenting the issue between the Droid 2 and iPhone 4. Not that one phone "sucks" more than the other. Time will tell how serious this issue really is. If an OTA update fixes the issue for all Droid 2 purchasers, then case closed.

I'm reading some of your other posts in the "AT&T sides with Google" thread and they're fairly good discussions. I can't figure out why you can't do the same here.
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post #141 of 146
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

Considering that you're resorting to childish remarks (I believe your quote above was a viable comeback when I was in 4th grade) and essentially just plugging your ears going "lalala", I'm afraid you're the one that's hard to take seriously here.

Nowhere did I say "iPhone 4 sucks". You're putting words in my mouth.

What I'm saying is that you might be misrepresenting the issue between the Droid 2 and iPhone 4. Not that one phone "sucks" more than the other. Time will tell how serious this issue really is. If an OTA update fixes the issue for all Droid 2 purchasers, then case closed.

I'm reading some of your other posts in the "AT&T sides with Google" thread and they're fairly good discussions. I can't figure out why you can't do the same here.

Because you don't have anything meaningful to say on this issue. Because, the point of this story is the hypocrisy of iPhone 4 critics.
post #142 of 146
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Because you don't have anything meaningful to say on this issue. Because, the point of this story is the hypocrisy of iPhone 4 critics.

Actually, the story at the beginning of the thread is just reporting what seems to be issue with the Droid 2. Whether it's a software issue or an actual hardware issue is yet to be seen.

But it's actually you that chose to turn it into an issue of of what you perceive to be hypocrisy.

Is there an issue here with the Droid 2? It seems so. Does Motorola need to do something about it? Of course. While the actual problem might not be as big of an issue as the iPhone 4's antenna design, it's still an issue that Motorola needs to address quickly.


P.S. Just because you choose to ignore what say (type?), doesn't mean that I don't have anything meaningful to say. Just like I chose to respond, even though I know it'll lead me nowhere.
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post #143 of 146
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

Is there an issue here with the Droid 2? It seems so. Does Motorola need to do something about it? Of course. While the actual problem might not be as big of an issue as the iPhone 4's antenna design, it's still an issue that Motorola needs to address quickly.

Or, the actual problem could be much more serious than the non-issue of the iPhone 4's antenna. You have no idea either way, but that doesn't stop you from your purpose here.
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Or, the actual problem could be much more serious than the non-issue of the iPhone 4's antenna. You have no idea either way, but that doesn't stop you from your purpose here.

You're right that this could be larger than it appears. On the surface, it seems like this is a software bug. But like you said, we have no idea either way until time marches forward and we see if Motorola releases a patch and if it fixes the issue. As I've said, if the patch fixes it, then we move on.

Again, I have to correct you. The iPhone 4's antenna design actually does have an issue. Many independent outlets have confirmed it through their own testing. As well as a large number of owners who posted videos of the issue on YouTube. Bridging the gap has been confirmed to cause the phone to drop calls and data.

If anything, you're the one actually spreading a "purpose" here. You're essentially doing what you say the media did to the iPhone 4. You're trying to upsell a competitors problems for whatever purpose you may have.
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post #145 of 146
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

You're right that this could be larger than it appears. On the surface, it seems like this is a software bug. But like you said, we have no idea either way until time marches forward and we see if Motorola releases a patch and if it fixes the issue. As I've said, if the patch fixes it, then we move on.

Again, I have to correct you. The iPhone 4's antenna design actually does have an issue. Many independent outlets have confirmed it through their own testing. As well as a large number of owners who posted videos of the issue on YouTube. Bridging the gap has been confirmed to cause the phone to drop calls and data.

If anything, you're the one actually spreading a "purpose" here. You're essentially doing what you say the media did to the iPhone 4. You're trying to upsell a competitors problems for whatever purpose you may have.

Just the response we'd expect out of good ol' Bob, distortion of facts, accuse others of your own sins, the old, "no problem could possibly be as big as the Apple problem." We all know why you're here Bob, you aren't fooling anyone with your "if anything" scenarios.
post #146 of 146
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

He he he! Now what are the apple haters going to do???????

They could point out that Apple iPhones have the same poor reception as competitor's cellphones. Which serves as further proof the premium paid for Apple products really is just a "brand tax" like Nike shoes, and not the higher price commanded for a higher quality product.

What? I don't hear you laughing anymore.
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