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The government doesn't need to ask. Why should I? You want the government to raise your taxes because rich people are evil and their obscene profits should be redistributed to the poor. Correct?

I'm offering you an opportunity to cut out the middle-man and give me your money directly.

Why do you want a tax write-off? I thought you wanted to pay more taxes. I'm giving you the perfect opportunity to do so.

You should really be called taxguru.
or moneymakingguru or maybe jesusguru.

Why do you want me to pay less taxes. This is what you are fighting for isn't it. If I write off a charitable donation to an asshole.org (has to be a non profit) that should make you happy. You want to extend those Bushycuts for me right?.
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post #42 of 108
I want taxes to be fair. Like a fixed percentage for everyone. If you earn nothing, you pay nothing. If you earn millions, you pay the same percentage as everyone else regardless of what you make.

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I want taxes to be fair. Like a fixed percentage for everyone. If you earn nothing, you pay nothing. If you earn millions, you pay the same percentage as everyone else regardless of what you make.

How is that fair?

You pay nothing and I pay a lot but you still drive on the same roads and the fire dept saves your house from burning down just as well as mine?

How about equal opportunity how will that be possible in your system?
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post #44 of 108
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How is that fair?

You pay nothing and I pay a lot but you still drive on the same roads and the fire dept saves your house from burning down just as well as mine?

How about equal opportunity how will that be possible in your system?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax

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post #45 of 108
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I will need your social security number as well otherwise I can not take the write off and also you did not ask so gfys

Why are you planning to write this off? I thought you were looking forward to paying more taxes. No need to wait: just stop taking write-offs and taking deductions right now and you will increase your tax burden immediately.

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post #46 of 108
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You pay nothing and I pay a lot but you still drive on the same roads and the fire dept saves your house from burning down just as well as mine?

Do all liberal, big government statists suffer from this same kind of ignorance?

The road are predominantly paid for by gasoline taxes...basically a user fee. Some money does come from other source, but the second source would be local property taxes for local roads. This is also where fire and police services are funded from.

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post #47 of 108
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I want taxes to be fair. Like a fixed percentage for everyone. If you earn nothing, you pay nothing. If you earn millions, you pay the same percentage as everyone else regardless of what you make.

Why does the percentage have to be equal? How about the hardship it imposes on those that pay? Assume a 10% flat tax for instance (just to make the numbers pretty). For someone living paycheck to paycheck on $20,000 a year, parting with that $2,000 really hurts. That could be the difference between paying rent, falling behind on utilities, or eating. For someone making $2,000,000, does $200,000 leaving his pocket really cause the same hardship? Is he going to go hungry? Is he going to go uninsured? Fuck, at 30%, with 1.4 million left over, is he really feeling all that much pain? Even at 50%, this person never has to worry about not having the very basic essentials of living.


Why do the vocal right consider taxes theft? Why not as a big fucking thank you to the society that allows them to be obscenely wealthy beyond 90% of population's wildest dreams?

 

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why does the percentage have to be equal? How about the hardship it imposes on those that pay? Assume a 10% flat tax for instance (just to make the numbers pretty). For someone living paycheck to paycheck on $20,000 a year, parting with that $2,000 really hurts. That could be the difference between paying rent, falling behind on utilities, or eating. For someone making $2,000,000, does $200,000 leaving his pocket really cause the same hardship? Is he going to go hungry? Is he going to go uninsured? Fuck, at 30%, with 1.4 million left over, is he really feeling all that much pain? Even at 50%, this person never has to worry about not having the very basic essentials of living.


Why do the vocal right consider taxes theft? Why not as a big fucking thank you to the society that allows them to be obscenely wealthy beyond 90% of population's wildest dreams?

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Why does the percentage have to be equal? How about the hardship it imposes on those that pay? Assume a 10% flat tax for instance (just to make the numbers pretty). For someone living paycheck to paycheck on $20,000 a year, parting with that $2,000 really hurts. That could be the difference between paying rent, falling behind on utilities, or eating. For someone making $2,000,000, does $200,000 leaving his pocket really cause the same hardship? Is he going to go hungry? Is he going to go uninsured? Fuck, at 30%, with 1.4 million left over, is he really feeling all that much pain? Even at 50%, this person never has to worry about not having the very basic essentials of living.


Why do the vocal right consider taxes theft? Why not as a big fucking thank you to the society that allows them to be obscenely wealthy beyond 90% of population's wildest dreams?

+2. This.
post #50 of 108
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Originally Posted by BR View Post

Why does the percentage have to be equal? How about the hardship it imposes on those that pay? Assume a 10% flat tax for instance (just to make the numbers pretty). For someone living paycheck to paycheck on $20,000 a year, parting with that $2,000 really hurts. That could be the difference between paying rent, falling behind on utilities, or eating. For someone making $2,000,000, does $200,000 leaving his pocket really cause the same hardship? Is he going to go hungry? Is he going to go uninsured? Fuck, at 30%, with 1.4 million left over, is he really feeling all that much pain? Even at 50%, this person never has to worry about not having the very basic essentials of living.


Why do the vocal right consider taxes theft? Why not as a big fucking thank you to the society that allows them to be obscenely wealthy beyond 90% of population's wildest dreams?

The strange thing about this reasoning is how it assumes those earning more don't have a reason to earn it, a need to spend it, or lastly a need to save.

What size house does the guy making that $2 million own and what do you think the property taxes are on it compared to the (likely) apartment the $20,000 a year guy uses?

What sort of taxes on dividend income, interest, stock price gains, etc does the $2 million a year go pay when investing his excess income compared to the $20,000 a year person?

How many extra services does the $2 mil a year guy use that keep people employed versus the 20k a year guy?

When I was a student earning $7-10k a year, I didn't pay property taxes for a single family home. I didn't hire a lawn and pool service. I didn't own multiple vehicles, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, etc that I paid registrations on every year. I didn't have a stock portfolio.

This bullshit reasoning makes it sound like the same two guys are sitting in their apartment tonight and the only differences are where they might order the pizza or whether they got the bigger screen and HD on their PS3. It is naive and lame reasoning and clearly comes from and is supported by those who haven't had to build a life for themselves yet.

Those who are perpetual adolescents never understand why there isn't a Daddy to keep opening a wallet for them. When they grow up, it becomes their wallet being opened and when they have spouses and off-spring that they want to see get ahead, they won't want the government taking food out of their mouths to give to someone else without good cause or better yet, a share of the communal return.

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post #51 of 108
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The strange thing about this reasoning is how it assumes those earning more don't have a reason to earn it, a need to spend it, or lastly a need to save.

What size house does the guy making that $2 million own and what do you think the property taxes are on it compared to the (likely) apartment the $20,000 a year guy uses?

What sort of taxes on dividend income, interest, stock price gains, etc does the $2 million a year go pay when investing his excess income compared to the $20,000 a year person?

How many extra services does the $2 mil a year guy use that keep people employed versus the 20k a year guy?

When I was a student earning $7-10k a year, I didn't pay property taxes for a single family home. I didn't hire a lawn and pool service. I didn't own multiple vehicles, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, etc that I paid registrations on every year. I didn't have a stock portfolio.

This bullshit reasoning makes it sound like the same two guys are sitting in their apartment tonight and the only differences are where they might order the pizza or whether they got the bigger screen and HD on their PS3. It is naive and lame reasoning and clearly comes from and is supported by those who haven't had to build a life for themselves yet.

Those who are perpetual adolescents never understand why there isn't a Daddy to keep opening a wallet for them. When they grow up, it becomes their wallet being opened and when they have spouses and off-spring that they want to see get ahead, they won't want the government taking food out of their mouths to give to someone else without good cause or better yet, a share of the communal return.

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post #52 of 108
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Originally Posted by BR View Post

Why do the vocal right consider taxes theft?

Because it is.


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Why not as a big fucking thank you to the society that allows them to be obscenely wealthy beyond 90% of population's wildest dreams?

Why the need to thank society here? How do you think the rich became rich? What did they do to achieve this?

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post #53 of 108
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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post

Do all liberal, big government statists suffer from this same kind of ignorance?

The road are predominantly paid for by gasoline taxes...basically a user fee. Some money does come from other source, but the second source would be local property taxes for local roads. This is also where fire and police services are funded from.



Ever heard of "Property Tax" and what it is used for?

Let's go back to a "fair" system and revoke the right to vote for people who do not own property. It was the law of the land for 170 years or more.
I would also propose revoking citizenship if you do not own real property in the US since this makes you a leech. Let's also revoke the right to drive and any services like electricity or water.
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post #54 of 108
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The strange thing about this reasoning is how it assumes those earning more don't have a reason to earn it, a need to spend it, or lastly a need to save.

What size house does the guy making that $2 million own and what do you think the property taxes are on it compared to the (likely) apartment the $20,000 a year guy uses?

What sort of taxes on dividend income, interest, stock price gains, etc does the $2 million a year go pay when investing his excess income compared to the $20,000 a year person?

How many extra services does the $2 mil a year guy use that keep people employed versus the 20k a year guy?

When I was a student earning $7-10k a year, I didn't pay property taxes for a single family home. I didn't hire a lawn and pool service. I didn't own multiple vehicles, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, etc that I paid registrations on every year. I didn't have a stock portfolio.

This bullshit reasoning makes it sound like the same two guys are sitting in their apartment tonight and the only differences are where they might order the pizza or whether they got the bigger screen and HD on their PS3. It is naive and lame reasoning and clearly comes from and is supported by those who haven't had to build a life for themselves yet.

Those who are perpetual adolescents never understand why there isn't a Daddy to keep opening a wallet for them. When they grow up, it becomes their wallet being opened and when they have spouses and off-spring that they want to see get ahead, they won't want the government taking food out of their mouths to give to someone else without good cause or better yet, a share of the communal return.

Why do you feel the rich are entitled to be rich, at the expense of the happiness of those less fortunate? Can't afford a six million dollar mansion? Get a five million dollar mansion instead.

The poor can't afford a $600 apartment? They go live on the street.

That's all it is. Entitlement. In other words, greed.
post #55 of 108
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Originally Posted by trumptman View Post

The strange thing about this reasoning is how it assumes those earning more don't have a reason to earn it, a need to spend it, or lastly a need to save.

What size house does the guy making that $2 million own and what do you think the property taxes are on it compared to the (likely) apartment the $20,000 a year guy uses?

What sort of taxes on dividend income, interest, stock price gains, etc does the $2 million a year go pay when investing his excess income compared to the $20,000 a year person?

How many extra services does the $2 mil a year guy use that keep people employed versus the 20k a year guy?

When I was a student earning $7-10k a year, I didn't pay property taxes for a single family home. I didn't hire a lawn and pool service. I didn't own multiple vehicles, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, etc that I paid registrations on every year. I didn't have a stock portfolio.

This bullshit reasoning makes it sound like the same two guys are sitting in their apartment tonight and the only differences are where they might order the pizza or whether they got the bigger screen and HD on their PS3. It is naive and lame reasoning and clearly comes from and is supported by those who haven't had to build a life for themselves yet.

Those who are perpetual adolescents never understand why there isn't a Daddy to keep opening a wallet for them. When they grow up, it becomes their wallet being opened and when they have spouses and off-spring that they want to see get ahead, they won't want the government taking food out of their mouths to give to someone else without good cause or better yet, a share of the communal return.

+2 this.

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post #56 of 108
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The strange thing about this reasoning is how it assumes those earning more don't have a reason to earn it, a need to spend it, or lastly a need to save.

What size house does the guy making that $2 million own and what do you think the property taxes are on it compared to the (likely) apartment the $20,000 a year guy uses?

What sort of taxes on dividend income, interest, stock price gains, etc does the $2 million a year go pay when investing his excess income compared to the $20,000 a year person?

How many extra services does the $2 mil a year guy use that keep people employed versus the 20k a year guy?

When I was a student earning $7-10k a year, I didn't pay property taxes for a single family home. I didn't hire a lawn and pool service. I didn't own multiple vehicles, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, etc that I paid registrations on every year. I didn't have a stock portfolio.

This bullshit reasoning makes it sound like the same two guys are sitting in their apartment tonight and the only differences are where they might order the pizza or whether they got the bigger screen and HD on their PS3. It is naive and lame reasoning and clearly comes from and is supported by those who haven't had to build a life for themselves yet.

Those who are perpetual adolescents never understand why there isn't a Daddy to keep opening a wallet for them. When they grow up, it becomes their wallet being opened and when they have spouses and off-spring that they want to see get ahead, they won't want the government taking food out of their mouths to give to someone else without good cause or better yet, a share of the communal return.

Funny thing.
I want more customers to make me richer. However poor people (below 50,000 payroll) are not good customers. I very strongly feel that supporting the education and advancement of ALL people will make me richer. I see my taxes as an investment into myself and my families fortunes. I guess I truly am a capitalist and I am looking at helping people out of compassion and self interest. Poverty breeds despair, despair makes for dangerous decisions.
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post #57 of 108
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Ever heard of "Property Tax" and what it is used for?

That's what I just said. Will this be a new approach for you? Make the same point as the person you're replying to and then laugh at them as if you "got them?"

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post #58 of 108
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Why do you feel the rich are entitled to be rich,

Because most of them have actually earned it.


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at the expense of the happiness of those less fortunate?

Ahh...now we begin to see part of the problem. You think wealth is a zero-sum game. It isn't of course. When you get past that incorrect thinking things will become much more clear for you.

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I see my taxes as an investment into myself and my families fortunes.

First, you are welcome to make any of these kinds of investments you want to privately and voluntarily. No need for a tax apparatus for that. Second, are you currently paying as much in taxes as you could?

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Funny thing.
I want more customers to make me richer. However poor people (below 50,000 payroll) are not good customers. I very strongly feel that supporting the education and advancement of ALL people will make me richer. I see my taxes as an investment into myself and my families fortunes. I guess I truly am a capitalist and I am looking at helping people out of compassion and self interest. Poverty breeds despair, despair makes for dangerous decisions.

But some of the below $50000 p/a workers buy products and services that make the $200k manager richer, and some of those $200k managers buy your product, making you richer in turn. So by empowering the $50000 p/a worker to contribute to the economy, you yourself benefit in real terms.

Keeping the poor poor will cut the profits of some of the rich, cutting the profits of others of the rich.

And benefiting the poor is simply the right thing to do.
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And benefiting the poor is simply the right thing to do.

And the rich, in a free-market, actually do this. But some people are so blinded by a superficially "analytical" world view and understanding of economics that they cannot see this basic truth.

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and the rich, in a free-market, sometimes do this.

ftfy.
post #63 of 108
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ftfy.

I really don't need you modifying my posts TYVM. You can use your own words.

P.S. The more correct modification would have used the the phrase "most of the time."

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Why do you feel the rich are entitled to be rich, at the expense of the happiness of those less fortunate? Can't afford a six million dollar mansion? Get a five million dollar mansion instead.

The poor can't afford a $600 apartment? They go live on the street.

That's all it is. Entitlement. In other words, greed.

I'm pretty sure there isn't a thesaurus around that would list greed as a synonym for entitlement.

Can you explain this zero sum game with regard to wealth that also doesn't exist? I also presume that in your worldview the concept of added value doesn't exist either. When a farmer grows a crop from seeds, s/he isn't adding value, they are clearly stealing it from others in your view.

What is it that makes that mansion worth six million or five million? Was the difference in value really "stolen" from all the other people living in lower housing who are now "entitled" to steal it back per your reasoning?

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Funny thing.
I want more customers to make me richer. However poor people (below 50,000 payroll) are not good customers. I very strongly feel that supporting the education and advancement of ALL people will make me richer. I see my taxes as an investment into myself and my families fortunes. I guess I truly am a capitalist and I am looking at helping people out of compassion and self interest. Poverty breeds despair, despair makes for dangerous decisions.

I want you to just stop making stuff up. Go back to being half-insane as MarcUK instead of this weird Wormhole guy who just spouts gibberish.

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But some of the below $50000 p/a workers buy products and services that make the $200k manager richer, and some of those $200k managers buy your product, making you richer in turn. So by empowering the $50000 p/a worker to contribute to the economy, you yourself benefit in real terms.

Keeping the poor poor will cut the profits of some of the rich, cutting the profits of others of the rich.

And benefiting the poor is simply the right thing to do.

This is impossible. The $200k manager only got that way by stealing from all the $50k workers. A rising tide never lifts all boats. Value is never added and thus generates wealth. All wealth is stolen and thus fit for redistribution per your own posts and reasoning.

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socialism works till you run out of other peoples money--i believe m thatcher said that.

Someone rang? (see below)

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They reaped the rewards now they should give something back, period. What planet are you on?

You really should read "Atlas Shrugged". The answers to your most vexing questions are there.

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Wormhole, you're rich. Give me your money. I'm entitled to it.

And if he doesn't want to give it up, we can pass laws to force him to give it to us.

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Why do you feel the rich are entitled to be rich, at the expense of the happiness of those less fortunate? Can't afford a six million dollar mansion? Get a five million dollar mansion instead.

The poor can't afford a $600 apartment? They go live on the street.

That's all it is. Entitlement. In other words, greed.

No one is guaranteed happiness, but it is your right to 'pursue happiness'. Sound familiar?

You might also be interested to note that among your rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) you also have the right to "revolution".

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You might also be interested to note that among your rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) you also have the right to "revolution".

Extreme treason-promoting unpatriotic traitorous whacko.

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Extreme treason-promoting unpatriotic traitorous whacko.


Thank you.

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Extreme treason-promoting unpatriotic traitorous whacko.


Aww, shucks...

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I want you to just stop making stuff up. Go back to being half-insane as MarcUK instead of this weird Wormhole guy who just spouts gibberish.

As you once asked: let me draw a few lines for you:

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As you once asked: let me draw a few lines for you:

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Ah, yes. The old "I've run out of logic, so *$#! you" school of debate.

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The right's favorite columnist, Paul Krugman, put forth this excellent piece about the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/op...ref=columnists

If you can't afford money to provide healthcare for the fucking heroes who put their lives on the line to try to rescue people in the rubble of the WTC after 9/11, how the hell can you afford to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%?

 

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The right's favorite columnist, Paul Krugman, put forth this excellent piece about the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/op...ref=columnists

If you can't afford money to provide healthcare for the fucking heroes who put their lives on the line to try to rescue people in the rubble of the WTC after 9/11, how the hell can you afford to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%?

Yes that's the biggest logical fallacy with the GOP now days. Two weeks in a row David Gregory on " Meet The Press " asked different representatives of the republican party how they could on the one hand be so worried about the mounting debt and be in favor of tax cuts that aren't paid for ( barrowed money ). Of course they both dodged a straight answer.

It is funny to watch them try however. Some act like they have a brain fart and have trouble talking others you can see their mouth tighten while they try to come up with a credible answer. And some just dodge the question all together and start talking about something else.
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Ah, yes. The old "I've run out of logic, so *$#! you" school of debate.

Yes, trumptman's post is scintillating:
"I want you to just stop making stuff up. Go back to being half-insane as MarcUK instead of this weird Wormhole guy who just spouts gibberish."

What would be the proper logical response to this Spammy?
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The right's favorite columnist, Paul Krugman, put forth this excellent piece about the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/op...ref=columnists

If you can't afford money to provide healthcare for the fucking heroes who put their lives on the line to try to rescue people in the rubble of the WTC after 9/11, how the hell can you afford to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%?

Here's one response to Krugman:

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Reasonable people can debate whether or not raising taxes is a sound means of funding government spending, but Paul Krugman isnt reasonable (Now Thats Rich, August 23). Instead, he slings mud and insinuates that the proper relationship between Americans and their government is exactly the opposite of what the founders expressly took this relationship to be.

For government not to raise taxes on high-income earners is not, contrary to Mr. Krugmans assertion, for government to cut checks averaging $3 million each to the richest 120,000 people in the country. No checks will be cut and no money will be taken from anyone.

All income is earned by individuals. It originates as their property and not that of any government or of some collective us. Even if this money is deemed necessary to keep Uncle Sam solvent, remember that this government was created to protect individual rights that each of us receives from our Creator that is, rights existing independently of any state. In contrast, according to Mr. Krugmans mystical political dogma, all property (and, hence, each right) originates in government. Government is elevated to the status of Creator, while each individual is thereby reduced to the status of a serf living at the favor and pleasure of government. That belief, if pursued consistently, leads to the greatest tyranny.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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We are serfs to the top 1% right now. We've been lied to, swindled, and had our 401k's and pensions destroyed by deliberate acts of greed. All while they live in a completely altered reality where failing and driving a company into bankruptcy results in a multi-million dollar golden parachute. If I fuck things up at my job, do I get a few years salary as a kiss goodbye? I think not. Things are out of control and letting a tax cut WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE just expire and not renewing it is not stealing money.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
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We are serfs to the top 1% right now.

How so? Exactly. Specifically. No vague generalities please.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Originally Posted by Wormhole View Post

Yes, trumptman's post is scintillating:
"I want you to just stop making stuff up. Go back to being half-insane as MarcUK instead of this weird Wormhole guy who just spouts gibberish."

What would be the proper logical response to this Spammy?

That is the completely logical response to "I've been banned, I've made up not just a profile, but a lifestyle and I'm going to use it to declare facts and figures inaccurate by claiming an anecdotal lifestyle in opposition to said facts and figures.

You're "conveniently" a man who (supposedly) makes huge amounts of money selling solar systems and growing organic veggies. You conveniently don't exploit anyone with regard to labor. You don't harm any land. You somehow are begging to pay more taxes but I guess have no charitable causes or concerns right now. I could go on but really, why bother.

It's called making shit up. The proper response to someone who is just making up a bunch of shit is to call it completely bullshit and ask them to stop.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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