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In other related news, the National Association of Typewriters (NAT) is attempting to force all Notebook Manufacturers to include a fully, functional Typewriter into all of their products.

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The utterly perfect comment - please, all others, entries are closed at this time...

I agreed with you until I saw this.....

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Here's a thought---maybe all radios should be required to be enabled to be used as mobile communicating devices---iPhone in my car radio--anyone????

It is perfecter.
post #42 of 93
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Originally Posted by amigasteve View Post

One of the more stupid ideas I've heard recently.

If they really want to increase the radio audience why don't they work to make streams from all radio stations (AM and FM) available via streaming?


The fact is... With the formula that they'd like be using 'audience' might not even matter (since you can't get any accurate count of what radios are turned on or tuned to what station or even how many people are or aren't actually listening) all these greedy bastards really want to do is drastically increase the actual number of radios that fall within a given stations broadcast footprint. I'm sure a great number of formulas are applied to the total number to finalize on dollar payout for each studio but if they can 4x or more the total number of radios the end result will be much larger payouts even if every single radio forced onto CE devices go 100% unused.

I guess these Einsteins at the RIAA and the labels musta finally clued in on the fact that those 'crazy music stealing kids' finally stopped buying boom boxes...
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post #43 of 93
Obama may like this one. Complain to your Senators and your Congressman!
post #44 of 93
We already have radio - it's called pandora, last.fm etc. I am not opposed to having radio built in, but between podcasts and pandora I really don't have a need for it. It surely should not be mandated.
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post #45 of 93
This doesn't surprise me.

Doesn't the US already mandate GPS receivers in phones so that the NSA can log the geographical movements of all of it's 'free' citizens?
post #46 of 93
Image where we'd be today if the government had mandated 8-track capability in all mobile consumer devices. Yeah, not good.

There is a market for FM capability, and manufacturers will be more than happy to continue filling it. But there is NO place for strong-arming any compatibility or format.

Besides, of all the matters our politicians should be working on, I hope this one is at dead bottom of the list.
post #47 of 93
Coming soon from your friends at the RIAA and Apple...


Now with AM

But seriously this is just another case of people with power not actually knowing their own demographic, and the ones they DO know they sue!!
post #48 of 93
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Yeah! And they otta' mandate vacuum pumps, dentist drills, vibrators, porn and vasectomies too!

That way you could enjoy anything on your mobile device!

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post #49 of 93
The more government regulation into privately owned (a.k.a publicly traded) companies the better. It's working for banking, right?

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What happened to laissez-faire capitalism? Really... what happened to the idea that anyone is allowed to produce a product without any restrictions and might allow it to sell. If someone copies your product and it works better, why then the onus is on you to make yours somehow better still. Where did this all go?

What was the URL of that guy... oh yes - http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...ggest-writing/

- and oh, god: I'm a Rayndroid.

I am all for collie dogs having the leisure time to attend a carnival, throw some baseballs at Kewpie dolls, ride a ferris wheel, the dodg-em cars, and all that....

... but we're trying to have a serious discussion of the way business is supposed to work in the good old US of A!

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Obama may like this one. Complain to your Senators and your Congressman!

Please keep your (stupid) politics out of this.
post #52 of 93
It shouldn't be a mandate, but it would be a nice thing to have. I have always wanted a radio in my iPod. It will increase Apple's iPod appeal.
post #53 of 93
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I've always wanted FM on my iPhone but if the RIAA wants it maybe I don't anymore.

Actually, I'd love to get Sirius without streaming it over the internet.
post #54 of 93
I hate radio. I gave up on FM radio years ago when I went to XM. Then XM went down the tube when they merged with Sirius so I gave up on that as well. Now I love my iPod and my thousands of tracks on it. With Genius I get much better music variety and a really well sync'd playlist. Much better than anything on FM.

If the radio broadcasters actually had some variety and were not up their own asses with their "DJs" then perhaps they would be worth listening too, but they are and so I don't.
post #55 of 93
Mandating private enterprise and citizens to do and buy things they don't want to do or buy - hmm where have I heard that before - oh wait! President Osama and the Democratic Congress on health care!
post #56 of 93
Of course this is a ridiculous duck that can't even swim, let alone fly. Can you imagine the hoots of derision from the public if a bill actually got introduced in Congress and a committee had to hold public hearings on it? Even funnier, the news radio stations would have to report on it!

On the more serious side, traditional radio is hearing the same death knell that tolled for print periodicals 10 years ago. At issue are declining ad revenues and customer base, along with the problem of fair compensation for the creative talent that provides their content.

The Internet has been more than a game-changer. It has totally disrupted all of the established bastions of practically every form of communication and commerce - print, broadcast, telephones, mail, wholesaling and retailing.

Like tariffs and import quotas, this proposal is one more futile attempt by an obsolete industry on its way out to erect a seawall against the inevitable waves of progress. No seawall can be dug deep enough to keep the sands of economic reality from being washed out from beneath its foundations. Ideas like these are the products of desperate individuals, frantically clutching to their jobs and their moss-coated empires that will soon crumble and disappear from their grasp. We can laugh at them now, but their desperation is also something to be pitied.

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post #57 of 93
No way do I want FM in my iOS devices. That kind of government mandate idea is insane.

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post #58 of 93
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Well, I'm gonna be hated here, so be nice. But from a public safety information point, you know after an earth quake or something wipes out local cell towers/cable etc, all that is left, maybe, is over the the air tv and radio. After Katrina, make shift radio stations were built to cover some areas so they had local news(because clearquest etc is just a tape feed to a lot of areas) Just my opinion.

Yes and how quickly does your battery die during these events? Besides there are radios specifically designed for emergencies.
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As for music, how did radio royalties begin?
Did Bing Crosby etc get them back in the day, or is this by law? IMO over open air, I'm for no royalties.

I'm mixed on this one. If the artist actually got some of the money they want to collect it might not be that bad. This actually happening though is slim.

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post #59 of 93
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post #60 of 93
I'd like to see FM on my iPhone, but never because it has been mandated by the government.

What is worst this type of legislation has happened again and again. One example was a local company getting laws passed in various places mandating 10 year batteries in smoke detectors. Many other similar laws have been attempted with some succeeding in the past. So be aware and do contact your local reps.

What really bothers me is that this may be a sneaky move by the RIAA to get special taxes applied to our devices. Sort of like the TAX on blank CDs in some locals. All in all this is real bad news.


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post #61 of 93
I'd actually love to have a decent radio built in to my next iPhone, but why use dying technologies such as AM or FM? I'd want to see a digital (DAB) receiver, but I guess that wouldn't work in countries still reliant on analogue systems for broadcast radio. Would Apple need to produce different models according to each country's broadcasting systems?
post #62 of 93
This is so random.

Why don't they build their own FM radio and sell it in the martket?
post #63 of 93
Next the NRA will start lobbying for guns built into laptops. Very handy.
post #64 of 93
One of the most hilarious and stupid ideas I have ever heard of! How can this be even contstitutional? You make a device of your own free will and design, but now you HAVE to put a FM chip in it- add a feature you or your customers might not even want or desire. What a sick joke.

Time for a Revolution. Fight the RIAA, fight the stupid corporate radio shills that pay the RIAA royalties for promoting their crap for FREE.
post #65 of 93
oh and one more thing...

I bet Joe Biden is for this. I have lost all respect for this tool.
post #66 of 93
Next they will mandate a cassette player or maybe a laser disc reader.
post #67 of 93
This will inevitably mean US-only models. In the UK we're working towards switching analogue radio off in the next few years. It's digital all the way for us. Goodbye FM hiss!
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post #68 of 93
Wait, there's no TV tuner built-in to my iMac. That's just so wrong. I demand a TV tuner in my iMac. Oh, yea, go ahead and throw in the radio as well.
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This seems like an Aprils Fools joke...

At least then we would pass it off as they can't be this stupid.

Problem it isn't even April and we already know the RIAA is run by people that make Knuckle Dragging Conservatives look like Albert Einstein Liberals by comparison.
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Great, another app I'll need to hide on my iPhone. I can't stand AM/FM radio.

I second that, if it's a tab in the iPod app that I can hide under 'more' then I don't care, If it's an app I will jailbreak for the sole purpose of deleting it.
post #71 of 93
Two words: Vested interest.


Any Congressman/woman should reject this idea as against Liberty and the Rule of Law.

Any who DO support it should a) be utterly ashamed b) resign, for they know not what their function is.

RIAA, NAB and all the other rent-seekers should be excluded from any state funding, have any statutory powers stripped and be chased out of town only stopping to first paint their collectivist, authoritarian, parasitical buttocks bright blue.
post #72 of 93
This is so ridiculous. I hope the mandate fails.

That being said, I do wish that the next iPod Touch coming out would have an FM radio. I mean why should the Nano have it but not the touch? I typically prefer my stash of music as opposed to the radio, but sometimes I want to listen to the TVs at the gym or listen to football games on Sunday when I am out jogging, etc.

In addition, I know that several of the droid devices that are coming out as well as the Nano have this in them so I don't think that it takes up that much room in the circuitry.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Please keep your (stupid) politics out of this.

Why is it stupid to mention writing congressmen and the like? THEY are the ones that might have some power to stop this bullsh*t....why don't YOU settle the hell down?
post #74 of 93
Are they F-ing high? Or just stupid? Do they really think they wield power to MANDATE something like this? They must have fallen down and bumped their heads. No way is anyone going to be forced to put an FM chip in their devices....Can't wait to hear what Jobs has to say....lol
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Mandating private enterprise and citizens to do and buy things they don't want to do or buy - hmm where have I heard that before - oh wait! President Osama and the Democratic Congress on health care!

I'm getting really tired of ignorant people making stupid accusations like this. Not to mention the racist slur.

Do you think that no other administration has ever forced anyone to pay for something they didn't like? You don't think that anyone ever objected to income taxes starting? Or Social Security? Or the EPA? Or the Consumer Products Safety Commission? Or the billions of dollars spent by the government on medical research? Or NASA? Or nuclear weapons?

The government is supposed to be acting on behalf of the public to the best of their abilities. The Constitution explains how it works. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that YOU have to like it. So stop whining.
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post #76 of 93
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I've always wanted FM on my iPhone but if the RIAA wants it maybe I don't anymore.

Steve didn't put it in my iPhone so I don't want it.
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What happened to laissez-faire capitalism? Really... what happened to the idea that anyone is allowed to produce a product without any restrictions and might allow it to sell.



The guys who dumped their effluent into the rivers kind of ruined it for the rest of us. Laissez Faire is dead.
post #78 of 93
Interesting battle to shape up in Congress: RIAA/NAB vs equipment mfgrs. It will be settled by whichever group makes the biggest "gifts" (bribes) to congress. Congress doesn't give a rats tushie about consumers; it's just pandering to whichever group pays the most money.

What about GPS devices? would they demand it there too? And the super small devices like Apple Shuffle? there's no room for a radio chip.

dumb idea, but they probably don't have the money that the equipment mfgrs do.
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Obama may like this one. Complain to your Senators and your Congressman!

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Please keep your (stupid) politics out of this.

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Why is it stupid to mention writing congressmen and the like? THEY are the ones that might have some power to stop this bullsh*t....why don't YOU settle the hell down?

I think this is what anantksundaram is refering to in mex4eric's comment.
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post #80 of 93
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The "radio" mandate should be a piece of cake. After all, we will soon have a national health insurance mandate imposed on the unwilling.

A bit off topic there eh? As you started it ... Those that don't want (I didn't say those that can't afford it please note) to pay health insurance should have to sign a waiver stating "Do not treat" and wear a bracelet to that effect. End the practice of those that won't get insurance being paid for by those that will. Absent that what alternative is there to a mandate for everyone to have coverage and making sure all can afford it? The current system is a joke.
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