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It is nice to know that there is one who believes that he is the one among the few who is rational and can be thoughtful. And proudly declares the synthesis of their musing in a board like this.

Everyone else must be like lemmings who follow everything that Steve Jobs tell them to do, including their ability to think rationally on their own.

Thank you very much. It's nice to have you for a fan.
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Why, yes, yes you can.

Really? I can drive it into someone and there is no consequence? But as you say, that isn't the point. The point is that just because you claim to own something doesn't mean you can do what you want with it. When you bought an Apple product, you agreed to some terms. Haven't looked close enough, but I do wonder if Apple retained the right to brick your product (or even replevy it) if you violate those terms. Heavy handed? Sure. But the DMCA has all kinds of heavy handed shiat in it.

At some time in the past, someone noted the Apple terms included agreeing to not use their products to make weapons of mass destruction.

Now I'm really curious. Have to go comb through it. Wonder if those terms included a promise to indemnify Apple. Suppose you JB your phone, and install a 3rd party app. That app has a trojan that speads to somone's system, causing damage. OK, assuming all this can be proven, and someone sues Apple, guess what you get to do? Defend Steve et al. on your dime. Cool.

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Fo you honestly think Long was concerned about the warranty when he JB'ed his phone? really

He would be if it had a consequence he didn't expect. Ooohh...and I wonder if his acting contract to make those ads had a "no disparagement" clause in it. Like when famous athletes get caught doping and Wheaties wants their money back.
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Apple should do a new Mac Guy ad with Justin breaking out of Jail. Have PC as the cellmate that gets left behind. It could have a double meaning. Those in the know will laugh at the implication and see that Apple can laugh at itself. Those not in the know, would just see it as a metaphor for how Macs set you free, etc.

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Like said at the end, once I buy hardware no company will dictated me what software I can or cannot run on it.

If Apple would loose it up a bit we would not have to do it. Maybe he just jailbreak his phone so he could have a videoout for the TV show...

Currently, the video cable only works with movies and photos and you must have an Apple cable or it wont work. Can you believe Apple software actually checks what kind cable is plug in and block non-Apple ones... this is the kind of behavior that push people to jailbreak.

No, it blocks non certified cables. It does this to make sure hardware manufacturers must acquire the made for iPod/iPhone seal, ensures they make their product right so they aren't selling people something that is crap.

Once exclusivity ends with AT&T I do think it won't make sense for so many things to be locked down, though I don't think it's unreasonable for Apple to say running non-Apple approved apps will void your warranty.
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I see. So they're keeping flash videos off the iPhone for my good? They're banning porn from the iPad to keep me safe?

That makes me sleep better at night.

yadda yadda yadda .. more trolls that have never owned an apple product, hey go enjoy your android and the "andriod app store" .. even though you've never used iTunes, just know it's an exact rip-off

I have to say I haven't missed this site or the trolls, I think this is the last visit ... to quote will smith in Independence Day .. PEACE
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Originally Posted by rgspro View Post

I think every one is missing the bigger picture. The Windows people like to say that Justin Long's I'm a mac character, is arrogant and the mac community are a bunch of elite snobs. This just shows that he is geek, like the rest of us.

Riiiight. Beecause a multimillionaire actor wouldn't hire a computer nerd to do this hack for him.
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I was with you until you got to the analogy part....
Comparing jail breaking your phone to going 100MPH in residential area or drinking and driving is just wrong......that is not any comparison at all.....
Its more like buying a new car then putting after market performance enhancements. It might void your warranty but it is perfectly legal. the car company has no obligation to fix or repair the improvements you made but they will repair anything you have not improved/enhanced......

It was not meant as a comparison analogy, but extreme real life examples about consequences of free choices (actions) and consequences.

When I was in college, the young son of one of my professors was killed because a teenager decided to race down a residential road. Surely, the teenager did not think that he was going to or could actually kill someone by driving fast.

For the same reason, I am sure you understand that, teenagers did not drink and then drive with the purpose that it is the way to kill my friends and myself, or more so often, kill innocent bystanders.

These are meant as extreme examples, to dramatize how our inability or lack of desire to think through the consequences of our actions can have dire repercussions.

Now, to go back perhaps to something more related to jailbreaking or free use of stuff we own. Sure, it is now officially legalize to jailbreak. This does not "criminalize" or "male improper" the decision of Apple to discourage "jailbreaking", Sure there is a commercial motivation. However, in the age of malwares, viruses, and all sorts of diabolical scripts, there are alruistic reasons also why Apple need not sanction jailbreaking.

Take this scenario.

So, Apple has not banned jailbroken phones to use the iTunes. But, let us take a potential scenario.
  • What if a seemingly very innovative App can only be had by jailbreaking.
  • What if someone else decided to infect that App, which became so popular, wth a malicious script?
  • What if that malicious script (from a jailbroken App and iPhone) got into iTunes?
  • What if that malicious script then unknowingly spread to other iPhones when they use the iTunes, that in turn fed the loop back, infecting more iPhones and perhaps b eyond?

Is the scenario too extreme to happen?

Who will be responsible for reparing the damages? Who will compensate, for the lost in time and effort, perhaps even deals, projects, and all sorts of things that people do with their iPhones, nowadays? Is it even possible to trace the source from the individual who because of our extreme belief on free choice did not fully ponder such scenarios?

All for the sake of our right to do as we please, damn the consequences to others.

If memory serves, was it not only recently that there is tre big finger pointing about stoeln identify and misuse of iTunes account? Was there any effort at all among us to understand what really caused the problem?

Who got blamed? Who lost time trying to deal with the situation?

What was the cause of joy to Apple haters? That Apple products too are vulnerable? Is this really a surprise?

What was the offered solution? That Apple should beef up security. But, how can one really ponder the security leaks until the flaw was revealed? And once revealed, is it really that easy to find a solution? And who is to pay for all the cost?

If one considers that "anything can be pick like a lock" given enough motivation, is it then a crime for Apple to disoourage jailbreaking, to avoid scenarios" like the above?

How many of us really take the time to ponder how our simple actions can have very serious repercussions, not solely to us but many more consumers?

CGC
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Thank you very much. It's nice to have you for a fan.

Yeah,, your deep musings guide my life the way some evangelist Christians then judge others to think, act and lead their lives. They who do not follow as I think are the devil's apostles, they must be banished from this world, if they do not repent.

And yeah, to quote my own previous post, in case your were blinded by your own halo, or had your blinkers on:

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Are you for real? If you believe as you do, why do you even waste your time here?

CGC
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yadda yadda yadda .. more trolls that have never owned an apple product, hey go enjoy your android and the "andriod app store" .. even though you've never used iTunes, just know it's an exact rip-off

I have to say I haven't missed this site or the trolls, I think this is the last visit ... to quote will smith in Independence Day .. PEACE

This is a classic AI post.

You're leaving and your never coming back? Wow. Adam is never coming back. He's really had enough. The AI forum has gotten sooo bad that even Adam has had enough. He must really mean it this time.

Adam, you will be back. They all come back. Where else can you come to a place with such a suspension of disbelief and get away with it? Only here are glass iPhones, mirrored iMac monitors and flashless iPads embraced and defended to the death? No place else on earth, that's where.

If you want to challenge me, explain to me why I am wrong, don't dismiss me by saying I'm a troll who never owned an Apple product. That is not true. I have an iMac, about a dozen iPods over the years, and two MacBook pro's in the family. iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, Time capsule, latest iLife, final cut express, iWork, mobile me. Tiger. Leopard. Snow Leopard. I think that's all.

Am I now qualified to speak about Apple? Or do I need a twenty core mac pro with a hundred gigs of memory too?
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post #51 of 111
having committed to the series of "I'm a Mac" commercials, his face is now indelibly linked to "Macs", and therefore he must always toe the line for Apple.

What nonsense. He was a highly compensated actor (under such contract obligations as were agreed to - we don't know and can only speculate) who can do whatever he pleases with his iDevices. I imagine that he may own more than one of those, for example. Do we know he jailbroke it, or did he have a friend do it? We are short on details and rife with speculation. JUstin Long is an actor - he will be an actor long after the next ad series completely erases his ads from our short-term memory, and will get associated with lots of other activities.

Seriously now, jailbreakers, it doesn't matter what the Library of Congress said, if another branch of government (for example) declares it illegal what are you going to do? It doesn't matter, does it? You will do what you will do, and Apple will do what they will do. They apparently want to mitigate as much liability as possible, so they will actively discourage jailbreaking, which has been demonstrated to destabilize the device in some cases, and introduce security issues in others. And it doesn't matter that the people who destabilized theirs, bricked them or got haxxored were clueless tools who shouldn't have done it in the first place. They did it and Apple has declared, as the device maker, if you do it, you violate your warranty. The fact that Apple tacitly allows restoration of the iPhone which masks the jailbreak for service purposes to occur, only means that they don't think it's enough of an issue to introduce stronger anti-jailbreaking measures. It is all about Apple preventing liability issues, and offering reasonable assurance to the average user that the platform will work as Apple intended. Geeks, Haxxors, 'Breakers and Rooterz it is truly your device to do with as you please, but don't go on about how Apple has to build and support it in any way you desire - it isn't your call.

If you want a truly open device - build it yourself.

Blacky, you are delusional to the point of serious medical attention being required. The fact that you take such deep delight in being a troll at AI speaks volumes about your need for attention, even negative attention. That is a very, very deep need there. Scary.
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Yeah,, your deep musings guide my life the way some evangelist Christians then judge others to think, act and lead their lives. They who do not follow as I think are the devil's apostles, they must be banished from this world, if they do not repent.

CGC

Please do not worship me. I am not worthy. The proper place for your prayer is in Steve Job's walled garden.
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Originally Posted by jimcord View Post

Not everyone wants to live in the world you are choosing. If you want or need porn everywhere you go on all of your devices, then get a frigging google phone! We the original apple fan folks never wanted people like you among us anyway! The true problem with success.......it often attracts the wrong element of fans! I knew things were going to shit when they sold the iPhone at Walmart- it allowed you to become a owner. That sucks for us.

You sound a bit grumpy today. Perhaps you should look at some porn.
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Apple doesn't do it for you. They do it for the people who want a system that works instead if uber-geekiness.

And your facts are wrong. Apple isn't keeping Flash videos off the iPhone. Adobe has never released a version of Flash that runs - even on jailbroken iPhones. Direct your bitterness at Adobe.

And Apple doesn't ban porn, either. It's more akin to Walmart welling you a TV. They won't sell you the porn videos that you want to watch, but you're free to watch porn on your TV if you wish. Use your web browser, but stop whining because Apple has made a decision not to sell it.

Only problem I see with your analogy is that in this case, Apple does actually sell stuff that's optimized to view on that "TV". They just won't sell you anything related to porn.

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So you bought a POS junkware cable that violates numerous patents - and then when it doesn't work, it's Apple's fault? Amazing.

I think the point he's trying to make is that Apple should lighten up on the cable accessories and let more third-party companies make them. They do it for cases and batteries, so why not a simple cable?

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It has nothing to do with elitism. Apple understands their market and caters to their market. If you don't fit into the core market and don't like the product, buy something else.

That's like whining that Ferrari doesn't make an 8 passenger SUV.

Don't fit it... Isn't that a definition of elitism?
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Please do not worship me. I am not worthy. The proper place for your prayer is in Steve Job's walled garden.

Why not great thinker? Your words make every cower and fleebecause they are no match to you.

Only those who believe they are greater than others can believe all this:

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.... Where else can you come to a place with such a suspension of disbelief and get away with it? Only here are glass iPhones, mirrored iMac monitors and flashless iPads embraced and defended to the death? No place else on earth, that's where.

To paraphrase those old commercial aboout "Mike": "Blackintosh likes them Apple products!"

and then turn around:

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... That is not true. I have an iMac, about a dozen iPods over the years, and two MacBook pro's in the family. iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, Time capsule, latest iLife, final cut express, iWork, mobile me. Tiger. Leopard. Snow Leopard. I think that's all.

Am I now qualified to speak about Apple? Or do I need a twenty core mac pro with a hundred gigs of memory too?

Then dismiss everyone else, without even understanding their reasons for buying Apple::

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Even now it's hard to imagine. Apple, the rebels, dictating to it's users what software will be run on their devices. First the phone, then the iMaxipad, and soon the Appple TV. Some think Apple has lost their focus. I think they have lost their minds.

But you don't mind, do you? When the new iTV comes out you will buy it and watch whatever Lord Jobs tells you to watch. You will do whatever he says or else you will be attacked, as Justin Long will surely be by the AI community for daring to defy Lord Jobs..

Hmm... Blackintosh is dimmisive of Apple products and does not like Stve Jobs policies that much, but yet cannot get enough of them, that he cannot even be sure exactly how many he bought?

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... about a dozen iPods over the years...


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...Only here are glass iPhones, mirrored iMac monitors and flashless iPads embraced and defended to the death?...

and yet bought them, anyway?
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...iPhone 3G, iPhone 4...

In the mind of Blackintosh, he bought all those Apple products for valid and well thought reasons, he just needed

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.. about a dozen iPods over the years...

All those other millions and millions of Apple products isers are lemmings under the spell of Steve Jobs and live in the walled Garden of Apple.


I now have this mantra for you, for one who speaks the truth:

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Are you for real? If you believe as you do, why do you even waste your time here?
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If this is intended to be a well-written sarcasm, I agree with you.

How can one be the face of Mac, again, if one does not believe in their principles, right or wrong the principles may be.

He was the face of Mac, not iPhone.

But did the people who cast him for those commercials check whether he was a Mac user?

Did the hospital where Steve Jobs was treated for cancer use Macs exclusively?

Was Steve Jobs' liver donor a Mac user?

Was Steve Jobs' liver transplant team all Mac users?
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Really? I can drive it into someone and there is no consequence? But as you say, that isn't the point.

Is it really necessary to have to explain that you are free to do what you want, within the constraints of the law? Sorry, I thought that much was obvious. Similarly, if I were to have said you are free to do as you please in you own home, I didn't mean including killing someone. My fault. I take somethings being obvious and understood by all for granted.

And killing someone with your car hardly explains your use of warranty voiding as a reaso

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The point is that just because you claim to own something doesn't mean you can do what you want with it. When you bought an Apple product, you agreed to some terms. Haven't looked close enough, but I do wonder if Apple retained the right to brick your product (or even replevy it) if you violate those terms. Heavy handed? Sure. But the DMCA has all kinds of heavy handed shiat in it.

DMCA...huh, it's almost like there was a recent LoC ruling about this. Pretty sure that when it made a clear exception for consumers to open their mobile phones up, there was no caveat about the vendor's being able to retaliate by bricking those legally opened devices that belong to the consumers and not to Apple. Similarly, you might wonder if Apple is allowed to castrate you if you are found to have jailbroken and installed some porn. Rest easy, they may not.

It would also be a PR nightmare that no reasonable company would consider.

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At some time in the past, someone noted the Apple terms included agreeing to not use their products to make weapons of mass destruction.

yes they did. For one of the PPC PowerMacs, I believe. And they used it mainly for PR, but it might actually have been a legal requirement at the time, I don't really remember.

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Now I'm really curious. Have to go comb through it. Wonder if those terms included a promise to indemnify Apple. Suppose you JB your phone, and install a 3rd party app. That app has a trojan that speads to somone's system, causing damage. OK, assuming all this can be proven, and someone sues Apple, guess what you get to do? Defend Steve et al. on your dime. Cool.

Not really sure what you are talking about here. You hit someone intentionally or because of your own recklessness, they don't sue Ford. If they did, would Ford demand you pay their legal expenses? Probably not.


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He would be if it had a consequence he didn't expect. Ooohh...and I wonder if his acting contract to make those ads had a "no disparagement" clause in it. Like when famous athletes get caught doping and Wheaties wants their money back.

You mean the contract that has likely lapsed, as the reports are that the line of ads has been cancelled? Hell, Whoopi is/was under contract to TMobile for their phones but went on national TV and discussed the iPhone she owned. Pretty sure no one would consider him jailbreaking his iphone to be 'disparagement' of Apple or the iPhone. Pretty sure. maybe some could make that type of leap.

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Video out for the entire system is a feature Apple should have had since day one -- it has been my #1 request since Apple released video cables for video. Never understood why they did not support ALL apps via video out. Jailbreaking makes a LOT of sense -- tired of waiting for Apple to do what customers want.
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Can anyone out there tell me why the "average" iPhone user wants to jailbreak? I can understand the computer nerds doing it but not Aunt Sue. Don't most users just want to use the existing capabilities w/out worrying about accessing apps and/or cables that aren't Apple sanctioned? Making a call, surfing the net, playing some games, listening to music and taking a photo don't require jailbreaking for the iPhone to be fun and useful.
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He was the face of Mac, not iPhone.

But did the people who cast him for those commercials check whether he was a Mac user?

Did the hospital where Steve Jobs was treated for cancer use Macs exclusively?

Was Steve Jobs' liver donor a Mac user?

Was Steve Jobs' liver transplant team all Mac users?

If you read the context of what were responded, the original sarcastic comment was about the "... chances of the face of Mac" being rehired to do commercials for the iPhone. Not that Apple repeated the same actors for different campaigns.

It is also about having discretion, when it involves those who fed you. It is likely that he was invited because of his prior affiliation with Apple, as previously the Mac.

As to the health comparisons, we are talking about commercial product here.

Except for the extremists, when it comes to health matters I haee yet to hear hospitals, physicians or patients subject the others to your hypotheticals.

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Video out for the entire system is a feature Apple should have had since day one -- it has been my #1 request since Apple released video cables for video. Never understood why they did not support ALL apps via video out. Jailbreaking makes a LOT of sense -- tired of waiting for Apple to do what customers want.

I completely understand why Apple offers a curated system in iOS. It gives a lot of confidence to App developers, and confidence to consumers who know the platform is safe from certain type of content. I am glad that the confusion and chaos which ruin the experience of some platforms is prevented.

However...

I have just jailbroken my iPad so that I can run a single App called iTether.

iTether allows the bluetooth on the iPad to connect to the internet sharing (tethering feature) on my iPhone. The iPad does not come as standard with a bluetooth PAN stack which enables it to connect to legitimate iPhone tethering. Even though all the hardware is in place.

For the life of me, I can not understand why Apple did not include this functionality. It was crippled on purpose. I am quite happy to un-cripple it.

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Only problem I see with your analogy is that in this case, Apple does actually sell stuff that's optimized to view on that "TV". They just won't sell you anything related to porn.



I think the point he's trying to make is that Apple should lighten up on the cable accessories and let more third-party companies make them. They do it for cases and batteries, so why not a simple cable?



Don't fit it... Isn't that a definition of elitism?

The analogy is not flawed. Best buy, walmart, and numerous other retailers sell tvs and content for tvs, but do not sell porn. It is nobody's obligation to make porn readily available. Geez! What is with the obsession with needing porn related aps. Porn is not exactly difficult to locate on the Internet. It pretty much finds you.

Also, apple does not restrict 3rd parties from making cables. They just require them to meet the standards of being iPhone ready. This is true of any case or accessory for the iPhone.
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Do you have proof of that?

There is a licensing program in place for anyone who wishes to make use of Apple's proprietary dock connector. To enforce the program all devices since the introduction of the iPhone have the ability to verify whether or not a peripheral device and the cable used to connect it are properly licensed.

The ban on non-compliant devices also includes any products made prior to the introduction of the program including older versions of Apple products. You can physically plug an iPhone into an Apple Dock from 2005, but it won't work.
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Even now it's hard to imagine. Apple, the rebels, dictating to it's users what software will be run on their devices. First the phone, then the iMaxipad, and soon the Appple TV. Some think Apple has lost their focus. I think they have lost their minds.

But you don't mind, do you? When the new iTV comes out you will buy it and watch whatever Lord Jobs tells you to watch. You will do whatever he says or else you will be attacked, as Justin Long will surely be by the AI community for daring to defy Lord Jobs..

Are you so thick that no matter how many times it is explained to you .... you still don't get it? Let's try one more time and I'll even use small words to increase your chances.

Apple is not stopping anyone from jailbreaking their iPhone. But they refuse to support a phone that is jailbroken .... as they should do.

While it's possible for Apple to stand behind the quality of something that they design and distribute .... and they do ... better than any of their competitors, btw .... it is next to impossible for them to guarantee the quality of any/all of the crap that a third party can introduce to the device ..... that is why they don't support jailbreaking. This is not rocket science, so please.... try a little harder, take your head out of your ass and get off your vendetta wagon ..... and get on with your life.
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The analogy is not flawed. Best buy, walmart, and numerous other retailers sell tvs and content for tvs, but do not sell porn. It is nobody's obligation to make porn readily available. Geez! What is with the obsession with needing porn related aps. Porn is not exactly difficult to locate on the Internet. It pretty much finds you.

It sure does. I was browsing the site for a local theme park the other day and one of the links yielded a collection of "interesting" photographs with text in Russian or some other language that uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
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I see. So they're keeping flash videos off the iPhone for my good? They're banning porn from the iPad to keep me safe?

That makes me sleep better at night.

I don't get you. There not keeping flash off the iPhone, as you said JAILBREAK. IT'S EVEN LEGAL. You can play with your hardware as much as you want. Why are you complaining. THEY EVEN LET YOU HACK THE SOFTWARE. There is no control, you are free, the only thing you can't do is 'redistribute' the code. THAT'S IT! No Monopoly, no control. It's not the General Post Office or AT&T, where they own all the phone lines.
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Am I being dumb ..or.. was the point of the interview to show the audience what Long did on his phone.
To show this they needed some solution to mirror the phone's screen onto a big TV.

Not being Apple, the only way the show's producers could do this was to jailbreak the phone.

There is no moral panic here. Why all the hysteria?

C.
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The analogy is not flawed. Best buy, walmart, and numerous other retailers sell tvs and content for tvs, but do not sell porn. It is nobody's obligation to make porn readily available. Geez! What is with the obsession with needing porn related aps. Porn is not exactly difficult to locate on the Internet. It pretty much finds you.

On a second thought, you're right, it does kind of make sense.

There's no obsession on my end for a porn app. It's more of Steve Jobs making such a deal that there aren't any porn apps and using that as a kind of "better than thou" statement.

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Also, apple does not restrict 3rd parties from making cables. They just require them to meet the standards of being iPhone ready. This is true of any case or accessory for the iPhone.

This I'm fine with. From all the previous posts, I was just under the impression that third-party cables were being rejected when they were connected and the only option was an Apple brand cable.
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On a second thought, you're right, it does kind of make sense.

There's no obsession on my end for a porn app. It's more of Steve Jobs making such a deal that there aren't any porn apps and using that as a kind of "better than thou" statement.



This I'm fine with. From all the previous posts, I was just under the impression that third-party cables were being rejected when they were connected and the only option was an Apple brand cable.

I think Jobs is just responding to 'walled garden' complaints when he references Apples decision not to allow porn on the iTunes store. It's not holy than though, it's common business practice. You have millions of teenager with idevices, probably not gonna sell parents on many more with HD porn supplied by apple.
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[B] tired of waiting for Apple to do what customers want.

If Apple only did what customers want .... we'd still be using floppy discs.
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Jimmy Kimmel is on ABC, which is owned by Disney, which has a very big shareholder named Steve Jobs.

I'm sure there was no "jailbreak". Apple probably helped set this up as everything looked very rehearsed, plus "Jimmy" shills for products on his show all the time.

Connect the dots, kids.

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It sure does. I was browsing the site for a local theme park the other day and one of the links yielded a collection of "interesting" photographs with text in Russian or some other language that uses the Cyrillic alphabet.


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Is it really necessary to have to explain that you are free to do what you want, within the constraints of the law? Sorry, I thought that much was obvious.

What the constraints of the law are is very much not obvious. It is kind of you to apologise though.

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DMCA...huh, it's almost like there was a recent LoC ruling about this. Pretty sure that when it made a clear exception for consumers to open their mobile phones up, there was no caveat about the vendor's being able to retaliate by bricking those legally opened devices that belong to the consumers and not to Apple.

The Library of Congress did recently express an opinion regarding circumvention of copyright controls. Many say this means jailbreaking is now legal. I'm not so sure. First, the LoC is not an article III court. While their construction of their rules might be instructive (and under the Chevron USA case perhaps dispositive) it is not the final say on the matter. Secondly, the opinion seems to be directed at criminal penalties under the DMCA for circumventing DRM. Thus, it is possible that seeking a criminal penalty for jailbreaking for purposes of gaining access to copyrighted material is now unlikely, this is not the same as there is no legal consequence for doing so. The LoC opinion did not address any other parts of the DMCA, and most certianly rule on enforcability of any of its provisions. If Apple license specifically said "if you jailbreak this thing, we are gonna shut it off" that would be very much enforcable. But, as you rightfully point out below, they are not going to do that for business reasons. But in the future? The license does say they can unilaterally change it without notice. heh heh. Beware.

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Similarly, you might wonder if Apple is allowed to castrate you if you are found to have jailbroken and installed some porn. Rest easy, they may not.

Agreed. But their license may be terminated if you don't comply with the terms, and continuing to use their software with no valid license violates the contract. Under the DMCA they can retain the ability to brick or technologically disable it. Interestingly, using the software in violation of the license makes one an infringer, subject to criminal penalties outside of the LoC's recent opinion.

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It would also be a PR nightmare that no reasonable company would consider.

Again, agreed. Apple is very much not enforcing their legal rights to the fullest in this matter.

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Not really sure what you are talking about here. You hit someone intentionally or because of your own recklessness, they don't sue Ford. If they did, would Ford demand you pay their legal expenses? Probably not. .

Aside from the business decision we agreed on above, the concept of indemnification is common. I looked at the Apple license for iPhone software, and it contains an indeminty for, of all things, YouTube use. If I buy a Ford, and agree to indemnify them as part of that purchase, and I then cause damage with the car, the persons injured may sue Ford (they have money) because of Ford's negligence in not warning me not to hit them. They in fact might not have, and while Ford ultimately might prevail, they would much prefer to win by simply making a contractual demand for me to indemnify them. If I had not caused the injury, they wouldn't have been sued. Indemnity agreements are designed to shift that risk. And who writes those clauses? It ain't the buyers...

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You mean the contract that has likely lapsed, as the reports are that the line of ads has been cancelled? Hell, Whoopi is/was under contract to TMobile for their phones but went on national TV and discussed the iPhone she owned. Pretty sure no one would consider him jailbreaking his iphone to be 'disparagement' of Apple or the iPhone. Pretty sure. maybe some could make that type of leap.

All depends on the money, doesn't it? I'd be willing to bet there are many willing to make that leap if the price was right. Maybe not Apple (busienss reasons above) but imagine a small startup getting dissed by a personthought to be the face of their whole company.

Contracts typically have long survival clauses, particularly for such things.
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On a second thought, you're right, it does kind of make sense.
It's more of Steve Jobs making such a deal that there aren't any porn apps and using that as a kind of "better than thou" statement.
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Not sure why you took it that way ..... I never took it that way at all.
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For the life of me, I can not understand why Apple did not include this functionality. It was crippled on purpose. I am quite happy to un-cripple it.

C.

They did so because they can make you pay for a second data plan. Un-crippling it also likely violates your ATT agreement. Many won't care, but ATT probably reserves the right to shut you off, send you a termination fee etc etc etc. Will they? Likely not for business reasons. Unless many, many people do and they feel they have no choice.

For you techies out there, can the service provider (ATT) easily see the MAC address of the device that is consuming/connected to the data stream?
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[QUOTE=eightzero;1698520]The Library of Congress did recently express an opinion regarding circumvention of copyright controls. Many say this means jailbreaking is now legal. I'm not so sure. First, the LoC is not an article III court. While their construction of their rules might be instructive (and under the Chevron USA case perhaps dispositive) it is not the final say on the matter. QUOTE]

The LoC was given the power to make that ruling by Congress specifically spelled out in the DMCA. There is no legitimate question of the legality, jurisdiction etc. of the the LoC ruling.
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They did so because they can make you pay for a second data plan. Un-crippling it also likely violates your ATT agreement. Many won't care, but ATT probably reserves the right to shut you off, send you a termination fee etc etc etc. Will they? Likely not for business reasons. Unless many, many people do and they feel they have no choice.

For you techies out there, can the service provider (ATT) easily see the MAC address of the device that is consuming/connected to the data stream?

If you have a non-3G iPad you do not have an AT&T agreement to violate. If you have a tether plan for your iPhone, there is no additional contract that specifically exclude iPads as tethered devices.
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The Library of Congress did recently express an opinion regarding circumvention of copyright controls. Many say this means jailbreaking is now legal. I'm not so sure. First, the LoC is not an article III court. While their construction of their rules might be instructive (and under the Chevron USA case perhaps dispositive) it is not the final say on the matter.

The LoC was given the power to make that ruling by Congress specifically spelled out in the DMCA. There is no legitimate question of the legality, jurisdiction etc. of the the LoC ruling.

Indeed. The opinion by the librarian cited that section of the statute. The vailidity of the expressed opinion and subsequent enforcability, of course, if still exclusively within the perview of the courts. That said, courts generally defer to administrative opinion (see Chevron). Even so, the opinion only seems to be reflective of the DMCA's prohibition on circumvention of DRM schemes. This is not the same as "jailbreaking has no legal consequence."
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If you have a non-3G iPad you do not have an AT&T agreement to violate. If you have a tether plan for your iPhone, there is no additional contract that specifically exclude iPads as tethered devices.

You do have a ATT contract for your iPhone though. And if you don't have a tether plan, could ATT see you using your iPhone to tether in violation of your agreement? Can they see the MAC address of the tethered device, like the iPad?
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Can anyone out there tell me why the "average" iPhone user wants to jailbreak? I can understand the computer nerds doing it but not Aunt Sue. Don't most users just want to use the existing capabilities w/out worrying about accessing apps and/or cables that aren't Apple sanctioned? Making a call, surfing the net, playing some games, listening to music and taking a photo don't require jailbreaking for the iPhone to be fun and useful.

The majority of iPhone uses do not want to jailbreak, but for someone with a minimum of technical knowledge, there are many reasons that may pop up.

For example, say you are a teacher or lecturere or actor or... and you want to show what is on your iPhone to an audience.

Or perhaps you would like to turn the different radios on and off without going through the settings menus and would prefer the ease of SBSettings.

Perhaps you want to see the full version of websites that only give you a crappy mobile version, so you install UAfaker to make them think you are using a desktop browser.

Maybe you want to see additional info on the lockscreen like new messages, calander apointments, weather info etc. or maybe you want dynamic icons like the current weather in the weather icon.

For more technically savy, there are even more reasons, like SSH and SSL, a command line, file storage and management, and so forth.
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