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Microsoft on Wednesday released a new video highlighting new ways that Office 2011 for Mac users will be able to work with data in Excel and new photo editing tools, all compatible with Office for Windows.

Microsoft's OfficeforMac.com website was updated Wednesday with the second video of a series demonstrating new features in Office for Mac 2011.

"What we've been able to do in Office for Mac 2011 is to bring a lot of power to bear to produce a professional looking document that's still compatible with Office for Windows," said Kurt Schmucker, senior evangelist with Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit.

He said to ensure consistency between Word for Windows and Word for Mac, the Microsoft team would print out identical documents on both machines and make sure that the physical copies were exactly the same. If any differences were spotted, the team considered that to be a bug that needed to be fixed.

"Everybody speaks Office, and that's why Office for Mac 2011 brings a level of compatibility between the Office for Windows suite and the Office for Mac suite that's never been achieved before," Schmucker said.

Office for Mac 2011 will feature Excel Sparklines, which allow users to turn large amounts of data into a quick visual summary using tiny charts that fit within a cell near its corresponding values. Microsoft said it made the addition because most people do not relate well to large tables of numbers, but they can digest data quickly with a collection of graphs.

Sparklines will also be supported in Excel 2010 for Windows, which will make it easy for users on both Mac and PC to share workbooks across platforms.



The new Office for Mac will also allow users to do basic photo editing tasks within Word, Excel and PowerPoint 2011. Users will be able to complete tasks such as background removal and color correction.

"Mac users will find this new photo editing capability really important because of their emphasis on high quality graphics, visual fidelity, great layout, and good art in their documents," Schmucker said. "My presentations and my documents are going to look better, they're going to look more professional, and I can do it all in a software package I am familiar with."

Also improved in this year's update is PivotTables for Excel. They allow users to summarize and analyze lists with less effort.

New improvements to PivotTable reports and Excel Tables (formerly known as lists) provide users with tools to help them display the relevant details and add polish to results. The new PivotTable reports are said to be easier to use and more cross-platform compatible in Excel 2011.

Microsoft announced earlier this month that Office for Mac 2011 will ship in late October with a lower price per installation for all editions, starting at $119 for the Home and Student edition, and $199 for the Home and Business version. The 32-bit software suite will be available in 13 launguages: Danish, Dutch, English, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Norwegian, Spanish and Swedish. Two new languages were also added to the mix for this year's update: Polish and Russian.

For more, see AppleInsider's extensive coverage of Office for Mac 2011:

Office for Mac 2011 to feature co-authoring, ribbon interface

Road to Office 2011 for Mac: A New Hope

Road to Office 2011: New looks, support for Exchange, VBA

Microsoft officially unveils key Office 201 for Mac features
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When it gets to the point were your only way of advertising is new software is by saying that it's actually compatable, unlike the last, you know that you've gone wron somewhere
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A big selling point is that this software will be compatible with itself?

Crazy.
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Am I the only one who thinks they should just run the whole suite in wine? That's the easiest way to guarantee features and compatibility across both platforms.
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Microsoft on Wednesday released a new video highlighting new ways that Office 2011 for Mac users will be able to work with data in Excel and new photo editing tools, all compatible with Office for Windows. ...

This is just sad. These new "features" (as opposed to features), won't add anything but more confusion. There's nothing in this product, this video, or the MS MBU that inspires the slightest bit of confidence that these guys realise what the big problem with their software is.

Since the first version, people have been saying that Mac Office is over-designed, confusing, and bloated. Here we are in the low teens for version numbers, and ... they are adding new "features." WTF?! They just don't get it. It's as if MS was a late 50's car manufacturer and is just focussing on putting cool fins on what is basically the same model as last year.

How about starting from scratch and designing a product that actually does what people want it to do without having to read an 800 page book to figure out all the "features" and turn off all the crap you don't want? How about a product that focusses like a laser beam on the task at hand instead of a bloated "do everything, but none of it well" office suite that takes over your computer? How about listening to people who *don't* use the product, instead of the endless focus groups of middle manager, Office "lifers" with their wish-lists of "features" they'd like to see?
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Sparkliness? Photo Editing?

How about making the software work well instead of adding 10,000 more features that no one will use and that just slow the whole thing down?
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Better late than never. Compatibility and the ribbon are two major features I love about 2011.

Thanks Microsoft.

I'll be getting 2011, it'll be a HUGE upgrade over 2008.


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Am I the only one who thinks they should just run the whole suite in wine? That's the easiest way to guarantee features and compatibility across both platforms.

Then you'll have people complaining that it doesn't behave like a native app.

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post #8 of 62
I plan to move from 08 to 11. I am not too concerned about word, excel or PowerPoint. I am more curious about Outlook. How will it really work in the real world with its windows brother? Of course you'll need exchange 07 or above for it to work.
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Wish they would make a Mac version of Access.
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Haven't all of these features been available in iWork since last year? Granted the Office compatibility could be improved in iWork but all of the other features this guy showed off, we've had for a couple years now! And when iWork 10 comes out, it will be even more ahead then Office 11!
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Sparkliness? Photo Editing?

How about making the software work well instead of adding 10,000 more features that no one will use and that just slow the whole thing down?

Dead on! I still have my original disquettes of the 1st version of Excel and was faithfull to it thru the years. At one point Excel refused to accept one more cell! Then came in the new version: wow back in business! Then came Office 2004 and God forbids ... Office 2008 with all the bells and whistles... but was unable to import my Office 2004 spreadsheets. Graphs spreadsheets were slow like a turtle on valium! I did complaint to MS but they told me that I was an isolated case while the blogs were flooded with the same.... NO SOLUTION! The buggy Office 2008 remains idling on my cpu! I use Office 2004! Now picture ??? Kidding ??

Give me an zippy Excel version that can handle large spreadsheets just like BEFORE !!!! Plse bring us a "DOWNGRADE" NOT an UPGRADE!!!
post #12 of 62
This seems like a significant upgrade for Mac Office. I like the effort they're putting in, and can't wait to see Apple's response in iWork '11, coming Jan. 24.
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First, don't ever have a guy named Schmucker pitch your products.

On topic, I think this is good. iWork is ok, but Windows compatibility is still weak. Sounds like MSFT is adding "iWork like" features that Office for Windows might not get, but still offer compatibility. How is that bad? I hate to admit that I still use Office, but it's reality.
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He said to ensure consistency between Word for Windows and Word for Mac, the Microsoft team would print out identical documents on both machines and make sure that the physical copies were exactly the same. If any differences were spotted, the team considered that to be a bug that needed to be fixed.

Is this for real? It almost sounds like it's 1 April.

Office 2008 sucked. For that matter so did 2007, but not as much. 2010 is a significant improvement. Let's hope that 2011 follows this trend.
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Sure I can work with data in excel and I'm sure editing photos will suck equally on all platforms. But how about the real interoperability problems:

VBA: MIA on the mac. This is a huge failure in interoperability

Figure inclusion: Sure a cover letter in word for mac looks the same in word for windows assuming that you chose your fonts wisely. But the second you drop a figure in either platform, the file is then hosed up on the other platform in subtle or sometimes not so subtle ways. It's this reason that I use office in parallels almost exclusively, and when I'm writing something that I control, I use pages.

Even the office figures like the equation editor it can't get right between platforms. I've given up trying.


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A big selling point is that this software will be compatible with itself?

Crazy.

Hey it's Microsoft -- call it business as usual.

BTW, basic photo editing has been a feature of iWork for a long time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they included a rip of Instant Alpha and called it an innovation.
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"...and I can do it all in a software package I am familiar with."

Except, the UI has completely changed since Office 2008 - making it overly not-familiar.
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Sure I can work with data in excel and I'm sure editing photos will suck equally on all platforms. But how about the real interoperability problems:

VBA: MIA on the mac. This is a huge failure in interoperability

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Why do they show the guy laughing all the time? He is talking about some pretty serious stuff like maximizing productivity and accomplishing complex tasks in excel.

Anyway, I think that office 2011 with VBA (sorry correction) support and outlook is a good replacement for 2008. I am looking forward to it and I hope it does not disappoint.
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See that guy's LAST NAME in the low left corner of that Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDjsyNi8tD8 Then see the Comment!

"Kurt Schmuck-er!  Nuff said "

Funny thing is that I noticed that name before I saw that YouTube Comment! I wonder if MSFT will ask for that Comment to be Deleted? Probably not, because many more might follow, making Mr. Schmucker feel "young" [and "restless"?], like he is back in High School!... Yes, pun http://bit.ly/cWdMW0 intended...! The top button on his already stiff looking shirt didn't help either his last name, nor the product, nor MSFT's stiff image - a gift for geek comedians..., adding to the overall Summer Fun!

Of course one can't expect Kurt (Mr. Schmucker) to be saying the following in that video:
"hey guys, please don't hold my Last Name against me! Trust me, this is a great product, even if the price might be too "stiff", and hard to swallow for some people!!!!"

Doing so would "out-hip" Apple's PR machine!!!

I know it's unfair to make fun of people's names with all the puns, and double meanings etc, but like it's often the case with humor, not all jokes have to be Morally Uplifting to be funny to some people, sometimes!!!

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First, don't ever have a guy named Schmucker pitch your products.

On topic, I think this is good. iWork is ok, but Windows compatibility is still weak. Sounds like MSFT is adding "iWork like" features that Office for Windows might not get, but still offer compatibility. How is that bad? I hate to admit that I still use Office, but it's reality.

as someone who knows who kurt schmucker is and his history at Apple, I now actually look forward to seeing the new version of Office
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I really think MS should ship Office with all the 'features' they want...but they should give the user 3 options...Basic, Intermediate and Power User.

Basic's interface would look simple rather like Pages.

Intermediate would look a little more 'busy' and 'cluttered'

And the Power User's interface would look like what they are presently shipping.

I bet 80% of the users use less than 20% of all the available features!

I just looks clunky and crappy the way it is now.

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First, don't ever have a guy named Schmucker pitch your products.

But with a name like Schmucker, it HAS to be good.
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I use MS Office at work because I have little choice. It's good for short, quick tasks, but doesn't work well for large or formal projects, and has a lot of nasty quirks. I had come to think of Word especially as "a relic of the 80's".

I recently completed a project that produced two massive documents (2400+ pages together) using a lot of automation; Excel, Word, XML/XSLT, and C# code together in a hot mess. It mostly worked, but there was a lot of stuff that just had to be done manually and laboriously. MS Office was definitely the wrong tool for the job!

I'm taking a little down time to investigate alternative publishing tools, especially ones based on plain text. I found out that LaTeX is actually available at work, and my initial impressions are very positive. The "benefits" of Office 2011 are laughable in comparison.
  • Plain-text files are inherently compatible with any editor on any platform.
  • The output is always consistent on any platform.
  • TeX (the core) has been stable for 20 years, so there is no version compatibility issues.

Ironically, LaTeX really is a relic of the 80's!
post #25 of 62
I'll just stick with my Mac Office 2008 until I have completed migrating over to iWork. It's been a gradual process. I am done with Word, and am only opening and modifying old spreadsheets with Excel. All new docs and spreadsheets I create with iWork. It's just a matter of time.
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I plan to move from 08 to 11. I am not too concerned about word, excel or PowerPoint. I am more curious about Outlook. How will it really work in the real world with its windows brother? Of course you'll need exchange 07 or above for it to work.

I have the beta version, and outlook is largely the same as in Windows and works well. I find having one application that integrates e-mail, contacts, and calendar better than 3 separate apps, but that is me.

I sincerely doubt that many (if any) here have used the beta, and yet most here pronounce the product as a failure without ever having used it, although it should not surprise me.

The suite is significantly faster than 08. For better or worse it has the ribbon interface of the windows version. I like the ribbon, but it is an acquired taste to be sure.

As to the suite in general. IIRC, this was hashed out in another thread, but to be honest, there is no better suite if your needs exceed that of a high school student. OpenOffice doesn't cut it, NeoOffice is ok, but not great, and iWork needs a lot of work, with the possible exception of Keynote.
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This is just sad. These new "features" (as opposed to features), won't add anything but more confusion. There's nothing in this product, this video, or the MS MBU that inspires the slightest bit of confidence that these guys realise what the big problem with their software is.

Since the first version, people have been saying that Mac Office is over-designed, confusing, and bloated. Here we are in the low teens for version numbers, and ... they are adding new "features." WTF?! They just don't get it. It's as if MS was a late 50's car manufacturer and is just focussing on putting cool fins on what is basically the same model as last year.

How about starting from scratch and designing a product that actually does what people want it to do without having to read an 800 page book to figure out all the "features" and turn off all the crap you don't want? How about a product that focusses like a laser beam on the task at hand instead of a bloated "do everything, but none of it well" office suite that takes over your computer? How about listening to people who *don't* use the product, instead of the endless focus groups of middle manager, Office "lifers" with their wish-lists of "features" they'd like to see?

I've been using beta versions of this product for several months now and it is just plain awesome. It is far more polished and intuitive that 2004 or 2008. It's far more native to the Mac and feels anything but bloated and confusing. I recommend you get your hands on the latest beta found here: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5748520
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But with a name like Schmucker, it HAS to be good.

If we don't like it, he's going to jam it down our throats.
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How about listening to people who *don't* use the product

Interesting concept. I have to assume you mean it only works one way though. It is not like you are seriously advocating that Apple listen to non-Apple users are you?
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You know, in Hebrew / Yiddish, his family name would translate into "serial dick"!!!
OMG, I can't stop laughing!!
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So the big story with the new Office for Mac is that Microsoft Office is now compatible with Microsoft Office?

Man, what an argument for workplace drug testing...
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So the big story with the new Office for Mac is that Microsoft Office is now compatible with Microsoft Office?

Man, what an argument for workplace drug testing...


People here are funny.

So, I was at a conference recently, and a grad student, who made her presentation on a Mac with Office, got up to present, using the default Windows PowerPoint, and all her figures were gone.

So, she tried the version she made in Keynote, saved to ppt, and again, all the figures were gone.

So, yes, full compatibility is a big deal, and I am will to bet that the lack of compatibility is what makes a lot of people bootcamp their Macs.
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People here are funny.

So, I was at a conference recently, and a grad student, who made her presentation on a Mac with Office, got up to present, using the default Windows PowerPoint, and all her figures were gone.

So, she tried the version she made in Keynote, saved to ppt, and again, all the figures were gone.

So, yes, full compatibility is a big deal, and I am will to bet that the lack of compatibility is what makes a lot of people bootcamp their Macs.

I think the other user tried to say that the comparability of the same software on different platforms should be a default feature. Not even the feature, more than that - the basic element of the development.

And it is just funny how MS is selling how cool they are by removing those "bugs", when the things looked different. People should not be charged for such "revolutionary improvements".

Though I am happy that Mac users can finally make their Word documents look "extremely professional".
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Wish they would make a Mac version of Access.

Absolutely. We use access quite a bit. They shouldn't be able to claim 'full compatibility' unless they have Access on the Mac, too.

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VBA is coming in office 2011 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/nadyne/archi...ffice-mac.aspx Welcome back macro viruses!

I can live with the viruses - since I'm not foolish enough to open stuff from people I don't trust. But I need VBA (new company that just loves VBA junk), so it will be a welcome addition.

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I'll just stick with my Mac Office 2008 until I have completed migrating over to iWork.

I'd love to do the same, but I need VBA.

The formatting differences are annoying, too. It's frustrating to have the same document print differently in Word/Windows and Word/Mac. I'll upgrade. I just hope all the 20,000 new features don't bring it to a screeching halt. My iMac is 2 years old and I don't want to have to replace it just so I can run Office at a reasonable pace.
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Better late than never. Compatibility and the ribbon are two major features I love about 2011.

Thanks Microsoft.

I'll be getting 2011, it'll be a HUGE upgrade over 2008.




Then you'll have people complaining that it doesn't behave like a native app.

AH, the paid trolls are showing up.
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

First, don't ever have a guy named Schmucker pitch your products.

On topic, I think this is good. iWork is ok, but Windows compatibility is still weak. Sounds like MSFT is adding "iWork like" features that Office for Windows might not get, but still offer compatibility. How is that bad? I hate to admit that I still use Office, but it's reality.

Kurt Schmucker used to work for Apple. He was a pretty good programmer and knew a lot about user interface. Maybe he helped MS look up "compatibility" in the dictionary.
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But I'm familiar with iWork.
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I'll be getting a copy from The Pirate Bay; I'm "embracing and extending" their distribution model.


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VBA: MIA on the mac. This is a huge failure in interoperability

It's back in 2011. I can't speak for the rest of your post, hence my not quoting it.
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My iMac is 2 years old and I don't want to have to replace it just so I can run Office at a reasonable pace.


You wont have to. I have a 2 year old MBP, and the beta is rather zippy. It is not slow at all.
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