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In an interview, an LG vice president announced that its Optimus-branded LG tablet will best the iPad by allowing content creation.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Chang Ma, vice president of marketing for LG Electronics' mobile-devices unit, acknowledged Apple's iPad as "a great device," but claimed that the South Korean company's first tablet, which is due out by the fourth quarter, will be better than it.

Ma, who says he doesn't do much work on the iPad, believes that high-end productivity features and benefits will make the forthcoming LG device "surprisingly productive." The tablet will focus on allowing users to create documents, programs and videos.

LG also announced plans to launch 10 more smartphones by the end of the year in addition to the Android-based tablet device. LG's place as "the world's third-largest handset maker by unit shipments" is in jeopardy, with market share declining as LG continues to lose ground to the smartphone market. In the second quarter, the company saw a 31% decline in sales, posted its deepest quarterly loss in 8 years, and held a smartphone market share of just 1.2%.

In an aggressive push, LG has significantly increased spending on marketing and research and development of mobile devices. According to Ma, the mobile devices unit won't be profitable until early next year, although he remains hopeful for a strong fourth quarter.

LG Display, an affiliate of LG Electronics, provides displays for the iPad, but has been unable to keep up with demand for the device.
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Well what else can he say?
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It is interesting how gadgets are better than Apple gadgets when they are announced but never or hardly ever when they actually get released.
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Ma, who says he doesn't do much work on the iPad, believes that high-end productivity features and benefits will make the forthcoming LG device "surprisingly productive."

*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.
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Talk is cheap and the information highway is littered with various iKiller road kill. Don't get blinded by the headlights Mr. Ma.
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What he meant is that they will have a tablet in 3 years that will be better then iPad 1st gen.
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

What a straw man argument!
Apple made iworks for ipad that is 100% fingerable from the ground up. I got my ipad(16 gig wifi+3g) and I purchased pages a few days ago.
Damn! Freaking awesome.
Apple has set the bar and you are too blinded by your own arrogant assertions to see that.
I won't be surprised if Apple isn't making a fully fingerable version of OSX for an ipad pro model.
So unless LG has the media ecosystem along with the fit and finish of Apple's offerings LG can kiss my........................
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I hope they come through on there bold statement, I mean I enjoy my apple products but it's always nice to have good competition! even though I'm not sure if Mr. Jobs would compete with said product as he likes it his way, which IMO has worked so far for him.
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None of these hardware OEM folks seem to get that without compelling software apps, it's just another web browsing device. That's fine, but it's still the proverbial case of bringing a knife to a gun fight.
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop.

Agreed. All the regulars in this forum who say that the iPad is the future of computing haven't noticed that Apple lists a computer among the system requirements for the iPad.
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Apple has been creating success in plain view since the iPod, yet companies like LG still don't get it. It's the whole ecosystem, stupid.

What Mr LG is touting is a laptop without a keyboard, ie the MS failed vision of the tablet. (Makes mental note, time to buy more Apple stock.)
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It looks like another executive is suffering from the Steve Balmer Syndrome ...
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When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

*sigh* When will people get it. Generalizations based on your own myopic view of the world are useless to anyone but yourself.

I'm plenty productive with my iPad. It allows me to work and be productive in ways that a laptop simply does not.

The world is not full of nails. There are screws, staples, bolts and all kinds of other needs out there. Drop the proverbial hammer and try out a screwdriver or some other tools. You might even like it

A tablet may not be "serious" for you, but that's more an issue with you and your needs than with tablets.
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In an interview, an LG vice president announced that its Optimus-branded LG tablet will best the iPad by allowing content creation.

Perhaps it will catch on fire like their refrigerators. That would take the heat off of Apple's exploding iPods in Japan!
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

I disagree. It depends what you define as work. My partner's job is to review documents/PDFs and annotate them. For him an iPad is ideal for this purpose however he finds it frustrating that basic file management is significantly more difficult and requires alot of strategic planning to get files from one app to another. I finally understand why people keep saying apple should buy dropbox. Allowing certain applications to access and save to a shared database of documents/files would be a welcome addition to the os and need not introduce the complexity of a full featured finder.
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Famous last words, Chang.
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who say that the iPad is the future of computing haven't noticed that Apple lists a computer among the system requirements for the iPad.

It does today. But it doesn't always have to require a computer. Unlike most of their competitors before them, Apple has an annoying habit if updating their devices with new functionality over time. If Apple follows through on iWork.com, mobileme.com and itunes.com why would a casual user need computer again?

They don't. My father certainly doesn't. He surfs the web, reads and creates email, edits documents... for him the iPad is his computer. My mom has an iMac that he occasionally syncs to just to back it up, but other than that he has no dependency on her iMac. And other than the work she does in Aperture, she wouldn't need a full blown desktop either.

So don't be so smug in your assumptions. Why do all the trolls (rational or not) fail to realize that the iPad is a smashing success and just the tip of the proverbial iceburg? I have no doubt within five years there will be more iOS devices than Windows or Macs. They make far more sense for more people than general purpose computers. It will be interesting if Apple can keep up the pace.

We live in interesting times indeed (esp. for Microsoft, Intel and all the other "traditionalists")
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Does LG produce anything at all that seriously competes with Apple? If yes, I'd love to know (with facts). If no, how do they plan to start now?
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What a straw man argument!
Apple made iworks for ipad that is 100% fingerable from the ground up. I got my ipad(16 gig wifi+3g) and I purchased pages a few days ago.
Damn! Freaking awesome.
Apple has set the bar and you are too blinded by your own arrogant assertions to see that.
I won't be surprised if Apple isn't making a fully fingerable version of OSX for an ipad pro model.
So unless LG has the media ecosystem along with the fit and finish of Apple's offerings LG can kiss my........................

The point I was making is this: If you have to make a presentation in an hour, will you pick up your iPad or your Macbook Pro to do it? The computer is still far more powerful and the keyboard and mouse still beat multitouch.

The majority of people who are serious about getting something done aren't going to do it on an iPad or a tablet.



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I won't be surprised if Apple isn't making a fully fingerable version of OSX

They did. It's called iOS.
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I predict a fairly nice piece of hardware with a half baked release of android that takes a year or two of releases to reach the current usability of the ipad.
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When you think that a company who manufactures lawn mowers, auto transmissions, beer-bottling machines, refrigerators, bug sprays, stoves, escalators, fire hoses, monitors, computers, display screens, TVs, vacuum cleaners, coffee mugs, shopping carts, dog leashes, printing presses, 8mm handguns, Daisy BB rifles, straw brooms, and kitchen gadgets, then you have to wonder just how Mr. LG figures his iPad killer will stack up as a device that everyone will want to buy. Who knows what kind of quality will go into it. Apple designs and manufactures a few great products of great quality, not a lot of unrelated products of dubious quality. And yes, I do know that Apple buys parts from LG but these at least have to meet Apple's specs for quality.
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Well what else can he say?

Even though it's unlikely that this pad will be better than the iPad, he has a point about the productivity aspect. iPad sucks for doing actual work for the most part.
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The point I was making is this: If you have to make a presentation in an hour, will you pick up your iPad or your Macbook Pro to do it?

If the iPad happens to be with me because it's more convenient to carry and thus I have it with me, obviously I will use my iPad. If the two are sitting there side by side, then no duh...

Much like the old photography phrase, the best computer is the one you have with you.

Stop being so insecure. No one is out to confiscate your laptop. The iPad augments my computing experience. For my father, it is his sole computing experience. To each his own.

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The computer is still far more powerful and the keyboard and mouse still beat multitouch.

In certain circumstances, sure. But not always. It's just not that simple for everyone. If it is for you, great. But I certainly have more fun with sketch and drawing apps with my iPad even than with a wacom on my Mac Pro. It depends on what you are doing.

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The majority of people who are serious about getting something done aren't going to do it on an iPad or a tablet.

I'm glad I'm not "most people" then. What a boring, singular existence you must live in.
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The point I was making is this: If you have to make a presentation in an hour, will you pick up your iPad or your Macbook Pro to do it? The computer is still far more powerful and the keyboard and mouse still beat multitouch.

[I]The majority of people who are serious about getting something done aren't going to do it on an iPad or a tablet.[/I]



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They did. It's called iOS.

I think you miss the point. I can see a salesmen remotely logging in to place orders or check inventory from the ipad. Inventory control, order picking, etc can be done from an ipad as well. Home inspectors, contractors, landscapers can find these very useful on the job site as well.
Just because the ipad is not used for content creation does not mean it has no place for work.
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I bought my ipad to browse the web, check out videos, email and play games. It does the job well and i don't expect it make HD videos or create presentations. These companies will all die trying to make a tablet into something it will never be....
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

You're making a sweeping generalisation here.

I actually agree that the iPad is not a great device for doing serious work, but "all tablets" aren't in that category by any means. Also, I type faster, and get more work done on my phone, than I do on any half-assed netbook.

Netbooks are also not very good for productivity. Technically you can do work on them just like the iPad, but in practice, not so much. iPad wins because it does all the passive-consumption leisure stuff better, can still do minimal actual work like the netbook, but is much more fun and much easier to use.

iPad may not be good for serious work, but it beats the best "netbook" into the pavement.
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Regarding the inability of LG to keep up with demand on ipad screens, there aren't a lot of other options without a serious redesign. Most of apple's displays seem to be using ips panels and I can't find any other manufacturers currently creating or designing them. All of the higher end display brands simply buy their panels from LG, then reserve those with the best uniformity for their more costly models. PVA has come a long long way in reducing gamma shift, which would make samsung an option if their factories are up to it, but I haven't seen how their newest are for viewing angle. I think in spite of this competing with another product offered by apple, they've still got a captive buyer for the moment (as in this generation of devices).
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What do we expect the guy to say? We're coming out with a tablet but it's not going to be as good as the iPad? Of course he's going to say it's better than the market leader. What else would you expect the vice president of marketing to say? Building up LG's products is what he gets paid for.
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The point I was making is this: If you have to make a presentation in an hour, will you pick up your iPad or your Macbook Pro to do it? The computer is still far more powerful and the keyboard and mouse still beat multitouch.

I created a presentation using Keynote on the iPad. I didn't do it an hour ahead of my presentation, but I find creating presentations significantly more intuitive and easier on the iPad than on the laptop. In fact, I will go as far as to say that it was a joy to create the presentation. Something I definitely don't feel on a laptop or desktop, using a mouse.

Now the Keynote is still not as fully featured as Powerpoint or OS X version yet, but I have no doubt the next upgrade will significantly improve the features.... I suspect they are waiting for the iOS 4 for the iPad. (Note to Apple: Release it already!!!!!!!)
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They just don't get it, do they? All these people trying to build "iPad killers" see it as a "mobile computer" and therefore can't get past the label "computer" and put all their efforts into trying to cram a desktop into a tablet. If only they'd stop and take a step back and look at the big picture...

Do salespeople write their own presentations? No, but I bet they could use an iPad.

Do educators write the text books their class uses for background reading? No, but I bet they could use an iPad.

Do Medics create their own X-Rays or Cat Scans? No, but I bet they could use them on an iPad.

I use my iPad for work, for play, and take it nearly everywhere with me. It never fails to impress people with how easy it is to use... or how powerful the apps can be. Above all else, it is that overused phrase, the user experience that makes it what it is. And so far, I haven't seen usability as a high priority in the PC camp... even my dentist has one and he's a computerphobe!
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

For the most part you are correct. A tablet can be useful for very basic photo editing -- like cropping -- before uploading somewhere. A tablet can be useful for very basic creation like typing a letter. Or even, as the ipad has proven, drawing.

If one needs a PDA type tool, say like when I'm on set and I need to access script pages, prep and send out a call sheet, look at costume sketches or story boards or even get a map to a location for someone, the ipad works.

And there are also a lot of web based or remote access type activities one can do. I just saw a presentation last night from a doctor who has Mac'd up his whole practice. He was talking about using ipads to access his records and 'chart' right into the files. No more writing it down and then having to enter it later. He also shows patients videos of procedures (as a recall he's a plastic surgeon) so they know what to expect, etc.

It's really the truly hardcore stuff where a tablet fails. I'm talking processor heavy things. Major photo work, video editing etc. but even then a tablet can be useful in the flow. I often load 'drafts' of jobs (especially commercials or shorts) onto my ipad to take with me to client meetings for them to look over before I lock the edit. Yes I could take a laptop but the tablet works also.

For the average consumer, a 'giant ipod touch' is typically what they are looking for so the ipad works. Which is why LG is having trouble keeping up with those supply orders.

Even the whole 'no Flash' issue is becoming a non issue as more or more sites want to be accessible to the literally millions of ipad/iphone users out there. So they are making 'mobile' sites (typically html5) or apps. Even the porn sites are making the switch. And when you win over the porn you win a huge victory. Even if Jobs isn't so keen to have a "Rated R" device.

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post #33 of 194
The iPad is already infiltrating consumers and businesses. Clearly LG isn't understanding that it isn't all about content creation, and honestly, legitimate content creating (photo, music, video etc editing) still needs to be on a decent sized screen, with keyboard shortcuts. That's just me tho.
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Talk is cheap and the information highway is littered with various iKiller road kill. Don't get blinded by the headlights Mr. Ma.

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Korean conglomerates like Samsung and LG that dabble in everything from semiconductors and rice cookers to selling insurance and ship construction have come a long way. I should know: I was born in Korea and have observed their growth and transformation into global companies with much interest. That being said, their weakness has always been the lack of creativity and innovation in their products. Do they have any sort of software products that they've developed to speak of? Of course, they're essentially hardware companies but having been OEM suppliers (and still are to a large degree with chips and flat panel displays), it's still all about volume manufacturing with them.

I was reading a recent annual report by Samsung Electronics after they did $119 billion in sales in '09. Now that's only the Samsung conglomerate's Electronics division. I suspect they'd be well over $200 billion if you factor in all these other unrelated businesses they operate. Anyway, the report also stated their goals to achieve by 2020: $400 billion in annual sales, one of the world's top 5 brands (I think Fortune listed them around 95 or something like that recently), and one of the top 5 most admired companies, etc. LG, obviously, would have similar goals. LG Electronics is in the $70 billion range.

In many areas, Samsung and LG are collectively beating the hell out of Japanese electronics giants like Sony, Panasonic (formerly Matsushita) and Toshiba. They've lifted themselves nicely out of the bargain basement realm and have become respected global consumer electronics companies while growing their revenues to gargantuan levels. Samsung will soon be much larger than HP in terms of revenues. Sony and Panasonic have stagnated at around $80 billion for years and will soon be overtaken by LG. But can they take it to the next step in this brave new world of convergence between high-tech and consumer electronics?

Now we have the likes of US high-tech companies like Apple, Microsoft, HP, Dell, etc. competing against consumer electronics titans likes of Sony, Samsung, LG, Toshiba, etc. and this brawl will make what we've witnessed in the tech industry over the past 20 years seem tame in comparison. You throw in the major telecom players and content providers around the world and this battlefield is one amazingly complex soup of alliances, double-crosses and intense cutthroat wars. This sure beats following MLB and NFL!

I just don't think the strategies of these do-it-all companies like Sony, Samsung and LG will work in this new battlefield as they take on Apple and other US high-tech companies. You can bet that HP is going to go all-out to fight in this space as well. And I don't expect Dell to be a slouch with the resources they have. Overall, the companies that create and control the software and the platforms will be the ones at the leading edge and this is not something the Asian manufacturers have. That's why all the focus is on Apple vs. Google (with Microsoft joining the fight soon).

Still, the next 10 years will be very interesting. A lot of companies that seemed dominant (or at least in a very strong market position) only several years ago may not be around by 2020. Samsung and LG are going to be serious players for sure (with the help of Google), but I believe Apple and HP will carve out their own turf and be able to defend it as this new market evolves. It's really difficult to say what will happen with Nokia and RIM. And we have no idea if Microsoft will become a player with their mobile software strategy. There's never been a business war like this one that's only getting started now. It's only like the second inning or midway through the first quarter. I don't believe it'll be a blowout like what Microsoft did during the PC era. I believe this will go down to the wire and stay that way for a long, long time to come. For us consumers, I think that'll be the best outcome.
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I hope they come through on there bold statement, I mean I enjoy my apple products but it's always nice to have good competition! even though I'm not sure if Mr. Jobs would compete with said product as he likes it his way, which IMO has worked so far for him.

I used to believe the same thing, but I'm not so sure anymore. You ever notice how Apple isn't so quick to copy the features of their competitors? Take displays for example, while everyone is racing to make their displays bigger, Apple made theirs better and clearer with the retina display. Others boast about their 8 megapixel camera, yet Apple's 5 megapixel camera actually takes better photos and videos. Everyone is bragging about specs while Apple just included a gyroscope, FaceTime, an A4 processor, and improved battery life.

I think Apple marches to the beat of its own drums - don't believe me? Look no further than the risky antenna design.

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Korean conglomerates like Samsung and LG that dabble in everything from semiconductors and rice cookers to selling insurance and ship construction have come a long way. I should know: I was born in Korea and have observed their growth and transformation into global companies with much interest. That being said, .........

.....For us consumers, I think that'll be the best outcome.

Excellent post. Spot on.

(For those of you who probably skipped it because of its length - like I did the first time - please take a couple of minutes read it.)
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I disagree. It depends what you define as work. My partner's job is to review documents/PDFs and annotate them. For him an iPad is ideal for this purpose however he finds it frustrating that basic file management is significantly more difficult and requires alot of strategic planning to get files from one app to another. I finally understand why people keep saying apple should buy dropbox. Allowing certain applications to access and save to a shared database of documents/files would be a welcome addition to the os and need not introduce the complexity of a full featured finder.

Regarding a file system, I think most of what I'd do on a tablet only need a shared "common area" to store a few files, it might not even need user-accessible sub folders, though one level might aid organization by project.

What program is used to annotate PDFs on an iPad?

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The iPad is already infiltrating consumers and businesses. Clearly LG isn't understanding that it isn't all about content creation, and honestly, legitimate content creating (photo, music, video etc editing) still needs to be on a decent sized screen, with keyboard shortcuts. That's just me tho.

I've found a bigger screen of a desktop often makes it easier for more complex tasks, but some people have managed to make high quality and compelling viral videos using an iPhone 4 for recording, editing and uploading, without touching a desktop for the content creation. Text document creation already exists for iOS. I think consumer type editing, such as many common iMovie and iPhoto actions, possibly even a simplified Garage Band, can be easily done on iPad. If you're really serious about it (enthusiast or pro), then a regular notebook or desktop is probably the way to go. I suspect that any supposed content creation leap the LG tablet might have might be seriously reduced when iOS 4 is released for iPad.
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