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Looking around, I've only found phase change as being anywhere close, being available in sampling quantities from two companies. Assuming it's reliable and fast enough, then it's a matter of scaling. It takes a lot to replace flash production. I don't expect two companies to displace flash in just a few years, even being as well-backed as they are.

It depends upon where the technology is implemented. Plus hybrid systems would likely exist first.
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All the other supposed alternatives don't appear to be anywhere near production.

There are other technologies out there in limited production. The problem is nothing has the potential of the phase change technologies.

The question then becomes how quickly can phase change reach or surpass flash density. Hopefully at a lower cost.


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There are other technologies out there in limited production.

If they're out there, then what are they? Phase change is the only one that I found that was actually sampling.
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Optimus? Isn't that the cheezy Radio Shack brand that just sits there gathering dust in Radio Shacks?

You are showing your age. That was a brand way back when home audio was the coolest CE.
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Answer, unless you figure out how to copy and paste it you don't!

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Apple's copy and paste are the industry standard. They are drop-dead simple. We waited literally years for Apple to finally figure it all out, but man-o-man, was it worth it!

Anybody who cannot figure out how to copy and paste with an iPhone deserves to use a Blackberry for the rest of their lives. Simple.
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But let me recount an experience when not having the print option while traveling was a real problem.


Why do people always go on and on about what Steve's stuff WON'T do?
post #166 of 194
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

-- tried to open the entire bill in Safari


Safari crashed (repeatedly)

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What format was this bill in, anyways? Apple products only support the good ones.
post #167 of 194
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Your idea of productivity isn't necessarily the same as someone else's and I can guarantee you that given an iPad I would be even more productive than on my iPhone because I would have access to Pages and Numbers as well as the one app I use all the time which is Bento. Throw in iBooks so that I can carry around manuals and you've got productivity out the wazoo.


Just carry around a 13 inch MBP and all your problems are solved. It is the lightest best laptop on the market. And it is totally durable to.
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Why do people always go on and on about what Steve's stuff WON'T do?

Perhaps for the same reason you go on and on about what people DIDN'T say.
post #169 of 194
Why isn't SendMe banned yet? His intention to troll is clear.
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post #170 of 194
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Why isn't SendMe banned yet? His intention to troll is clear.

Lol... "arrested and charged with possession of BS with intent to troll"

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post #171 of 194
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What format was this bill in, anyways? Apple products only support the good ones.

If you read the whole post, I was attempting to duplicate something I had done on the Mac, on the iPad.

I couldn't even open the document on the iPad.

If you want to see the document format, on a Mac:

-- logon to your AT&T wireless account using Safari
-- select view full bill in the upper left
-- a popup window opens that displays the entire bill in a table

I tried the same thing on both Mac and iPad using the bill summary. It displays a much smaller table.

It worked fine on the Mac.

On the iPad I was able to open the smaller table in Safari and copy it.

However, I was unable to paste it into iPad numbers and preserve the original row/column structure-- everything went into a single table cell.

Later, I'll try and determine if this a problem with Mobile Safari, Numbers, Copy/Paste... and submit a bug/feature request as necessary.

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post #172 of 194
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

If you read the whole post, I was attempting to duplicate something I had done on the Mac, on the iPad.

I couldn't even open the document on the iPad.

If you want to see the document format, on a Mac:

-- logon to your AT&T wireless account using Safari
-- select view full bill in the upper left
-- a popup window opens that displays the entire bill in a table

I tried the same thing on both Mac and iPad using the bill summary. It displays a much smaller table.

It worked fine on the Mac.

On the iPad I was able to open the smaller table in Safari and copy it.

However, I was unable to paste it into iPad numbers and preserve the original row/column structure-- everything went into a single table cell.

Later, I'll try and determine if this a problem with Mobile Safari, Numbers, Copy/Paste... and submit a bug/feature request as necessary.

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The iPad has a known caching bug in Safari, what happens when you do the same on the iPhone? Which iPhone are you using?
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post #173 of 194
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It depends upon where the technology is implemented. Plus hybrid systems would likely exist first.


There are other technologies out there in limited production. The problem is nothing has the potential of the phase change technologies.

The question then becomes how quickly can phase change reach or surpass flash density. Hopefully at a lower cost.


Dave

I did some reading, and phase change technology does, indeed, seem to offer a lot of promise. Though, it appears to require high temperature pulses to change the bits.

In one citation (emphasis mine):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-change_memory

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The special gates used in Flash memory "leak" charge (electrons) over time, causing corruption and loss of data. The resistivity of the memory element in PCM is more stable; at the normal working temperature of 85°C, it is projected to retain data for 300 years.[9]

That's 185ºF-- and I am not quite ready for another move, yet!

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post #174 of 194
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Here's the best discussion of MRAM that I could find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto..._access_memory

Here is the final summary section (emphasis mine):

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MRAM has similar performance to SRAM, similar density of DRAM but much lower power consumption than DRAM, and is much faster and suffers no degradation over time in comparison to flash memory. It is this combination of features that some suggest make it the "universal memory", able to replace SRAM, DRAM, EEPROM and flash. This also explains the huge amount of research being carried out into developing it.

However, to date, MRAM has not been widely adopted in the market. It may be that vendors are not prepared to take the risk of allocating a modern fab to MRAM production when such fabs cost upwards of a few billion dollars to build and can instead generate revenue by serving developed markets producing flash and DRAM memories.

The very latest fabs seem to be used for flash, for example producing 16 Gbit parts produced by Samsung on a 50 nm process.[11] Slightly older fabs are being used to produce most DDR2 DRAM, most of which is produced on a one-generation-old 90 nm process rather than using up scarce leading-edge capacity.

In comparison, MRAM is still largely "in development", and being produced on older non-critical fabs. The only commercial product widely available at this point is Everspin's 4 Mbit part, produced on a several-generations-old 180 nm process. As demand for flash continues to outstrip supply, it appears it will be some time before a company can afford to "give up" one of their latest fabs for MRAM production. Even then, MRAM designs currently do not come close to flash in terms of cell size, even using the same fab.[citation needed]

The potential is that MRAM can replace all RAM and offer better results.

The [apparent] problem is that there are no state-of-the-art fabs open and no company has the "little boxes" to forego profit to risk a fab on a new technology!

BTW, was the IBM microwave technology called "Millipede"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Millipede

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post #175 of 194
LG getting into the tablet market is about as uninteresting as the prospect of GE doing it too. Perhaps they need to make up for slowing sales of dishwashing machines or industrial motors. Or TVs. Or microwave ovens.

Tablets are the new gold rush for hardware companies. At least LG didn't take the brain-dead rush-it-through-product-development approach of just lopping off the keyboard of a laptop and stuffing it all behind a touchscreen, the choice that Microsoft's Windows partners have taken. An upsized Android phone running low-powered ARM chipsets at least makes more sense for a tablet. If you boot a tablet and it has to load the OS from the C: drive, then you've already failed.

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The iPad has a known caching bug in Safari, what happens when you do the same on the iPhone? Which iPhone are you using?

Trying it now on the iP4! 512 MB RAM vs 256 MB on the iPad.

Read the whole thing-- took about a minute for a 7,000 x 11 table.

Don't seem to be able to activate copy/paste-- not surprising if low on RAM and no swapping!

Reset the iP4, and trying again:

No BG tasks, No cached Safari pages.

Took 2 min 15 sec.

Still cannot activate copy/paste.

Update: I can do some copy selection, but it is slow and painful. I can't bring up "Select All" and must drag the border of the selected area. If I go too far or too fast (really quite slow) it deselects or snaps back to the prior selection-- totally unusable.

Took so long that my AT&T session timed out!


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post #177 of 194
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It depends upon where the technology is implemented. Plus hybrid systems would likely exist first.


There are other technologies out there in limited production. The problem is nothing has the potential of the phase change technologies.

The question then becomes how quickly can phase change reach or surpass flash density. Hopefully at a lower cost.


Dave

Everspin is sampling a 16Mb MRAM with production quantities in July 2010.

http://www.everspin.com/PDF/press/20..._16mb_mram.pdf

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post #178 of 194
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Except the document isn't there right in front of you because it's in a different app. Seriously how is it convenient, this is my exact problem with the iPhone. I write a word doc in Quick Office, then what? It's stuck on my phone, I can't email it to the person its for as Mail can't access the document. Or any other task where you need to use different apps for different things with the same files. The only real area that works well so far is the fact you can access photo's from different apps, but even that's not perfect.

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I know Americans are not that good at geography but, Norway, not Denmark. Close.

Never-the-less, its not much of an argument when you pitch a politician and a Hollywood director as examples of productivity. Doctors don't fall far behind.

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post #180 of 194
Promises, promises.
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Well what else can he say?

Exactly. He has no choice as he watches the LG tablet crash and burn.
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LG is under a lot of pressure to right their ship. Their handset business has really gone down over the past several quarters. LG's arch rival is Samsung, not Apple. Here's an interesting article about how Android simply pursues the the bottom of the barrel in the smartphone market ever since the iPhone was launched in 2007. Literally, Apple came out of nowhere to become the most profitable cellphone (not just the smartphone) maker in the world. The most telling statistic: Apple's share of the global cellphone market is 3% but Apple makes 48% of the profit (EBIT).

http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/17/and...iggest-losers/
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Just carry around a 13 inch MBP and all your problems are solved. It is the lightest best laptop on the market. And it is totally durable to.

No it's not I can assure you of that.

I carry around tools and parts and holding a laptop in your arms because there isn't a desk around is a complete pain to try and pull off because a laptop doesn't balance well. The iPad is perfectly balanced.
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None of these hardware OEM folks seem to get that without compelling software apps, it's just another web browsing device. That's fine, but it's still the proverbial case of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Well, it is Android. They will be relying on Android market to give the code they need. Will they succeed is another question, but as other Android tablets will start emerging, I would expect there will be Documents To Go and other productivity software available.
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Just carry around a 13 inch MBP and all your problems are solved. It is the lightest best laptop on the market. And it is totally durable to.

Well, best is matter of taste (and needs), but lightest... hardly:

http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/portege/R700

13" fully featured lappy that starts at 1.1kg. Short of integrated graphics, pretty nice specs.

I had it in my hands on Toshiba's 25 anniversary event, very impressive. Lighter than number of 10" netbooks.
post #186 of 194
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

You'd agree that 3 years is a decade in the wireless industry.

With heavy weights that are proven like Apple and Google, LG should stick to what it does well and not bet the farm on this vision.

That is really silly thing to say here. Apple didn't stick to what they did, now, have they? They pretty much reinvented themselves by starting doing what they didn't do before.

I'm not going to say that everyone can repeat same success, but likewise I'm not going to say no-one else can either. I am hoping they will be successful at least enough to motivate others to try - I'd like to see as much competition in tablet market as I ca get, and equally awesome products coming out of that competition.
post #187 of 194
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You are wrong yet again. The procedure is the same except you hit copy. I would select all 5 pictures, hit copy, and paste all 5 pics at once, not one at a time as you claim, into the replied to email. Good luck on your travels. Next time grab your tin foil hat to go along with your Air.

Yes, you are quite correct. I had forgotten all about this "capability" as it was such a pain. Perhaps you should try it after importing 4 to 7 mb pics into the Photo app. Sending them unsized is a bit unsociable and won't get through on most email services anyway. So, resize. That's another app. Then back to the Photo app. Oops, there are no file names. So, which are the resized 5 of the now 100's of pics dumped into Saved Photos?

Give me my tin hat any day. I'd rather enjoy life than screw around with an app that may be acceptable to you but is not to me. Nor, do I suspect to most who enjoy photography. At present, the gap between the iPad and a laptop, in Photos and other areas, is too large to render the iPad usable in a standalone environment. That's the point many have made. Obviously there are many who's needs are sufficiently confined that it works for them. However, for those of us who are accustomed to using the capability we purchased in a laptop, the iPad simply does not cut it for certain tasks.

As I also stated, I used the iPad as my primary device. But when I need to get something done, I guess I reach for my tin hat.
post #188 of 194
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*sigh*

When will people get it. Tablets aren't designed for productivity. They are designed for leisurely use. Anybody who is serious about getting work done will pick up a laptop. Not a netbook, or a smartphone, or a tablet--a full featured and powerful laptop.

Actually, even if you do want to use iPad for work it can do that too, just invest in an Apple BT keyboard and a case with a good stand. When iOS4 for iPad is released it is really going to shine, and my guess would be any advantage LG's tablet could have over the iPad will be wiped out with the 2nd gen iPad.
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It is interesting how gadgets are better than Apple gadgets when they are announced but never or hardly ever when they actually get released.

Just reading this article I'm getting higher off the vapour(ware) than even brucep is normally
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Lol... "arrested and charged with possession of BS with intent to troll"

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LG Display, an affiliate of LG Electronics, provides displays for the iPad, but has been unable to keep up with demand for the device.

Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?

Could LG be purposefully delaying iPad display production to lessen its market share in preparation for its own tablet computer's launch?
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... If you boot a tablet and it has to load the OS from the C: drive, then you've already failed.

Brilliant!

You probably already know this but it evokes what Steve Jobs said about the subject:

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...What we tried to do was reimagine the tablet. I think Microsoft did a lot of interesting work on the tablet. What we've done is not compete with what they did. You know, they're completely stylus based. What we said was, if you need a stylus, you've already failed.

Apple is at least a decade ahead of anyone else in this market. Conversely, in 1981 my opinion was that IBM's original PC set computing progress behind by at least that much. Windows in all its incarnations has only prolonged its inevitable demise.

Someone will eventually come up with a viable competitive product, but I don't believe it will be a behemoth like LG or Microsoft or even Google, and by that time who knows what Apple will have developed.
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Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?

Could LG be purposefully delaying iPad display production to lessen its market share in preparation for its own tablet computer's launch?

No, that's just how the industry works. Actually, things like this are common in various industries in which the OEM supplier also develops and markets their own branded products. The LG Display business unit is under a mandate to be as efficient and profitable as possible. If they don't deliver, there are other sources (like LG's archenemy Samsung) that Apple could go to in the future. LG Display doesn't really care whether they sell the displays to Apple or LG Electronics or anyone else. They just want to produce and sell, sell, sell.

That being said, an OEM buyer like Apple (or HP, Dell, Acer, Motorola, Sony, etc.) needs to spread out their supply sources and have the OEM manufacturers compete with each other for best pricing, quality, value quotient, and delivery terms. As far as chips, Apple doesn't want to rely on generic chips designed by OEM companies or by potential competitors, so that's why Apple has been snapping up small chip design companies to come up with proprietary chips that they can fine tune to the iOS.

LG and Samsung pretty much dominate the OEM production of displays and semiconductors. In fact, these businesses are much more profitable for them than selling their own branded phones. It doesn't make any sense for them to cut back OEM production when their goal is to keep the factories humming at full capacity. But, if they do come out with their own smartphones and tablets that create huge demand, then they would get priority over other OEM buyers like Apple. That's a very unlikely scenario for the near future.
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