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post #81 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post



Home inspectors, contractors, landscapers can find these very useful on the job site as well.


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I never thought about that, but you have a good point. All they need is a waterproof and dustproof case, and the iPad will actually work!

One great thing is the iPad's PDF capabilities. Instead of carrying around all those huge, large-format blueprints, they can load it all on their iPad, and see it in an 8x11 size! With all the details!

Or they could zoom in, and see little parts of their prints by scanning and panning across it! If there is any problem, they can simply take a picture of of the jobsite, and superimpose it onto the blueprints to show the difference!

I think that contractors and gardeners could make great use of the iPad! You could put a set of plans for a whole skyscraper on it!
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post #82 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

The iPad is not DESIGNED to be a mass storage device. It is light and limber. Lithe even.

If you really really really need to store huge amounts of content, then the iPad is not for you.

Most people will downsize their content library if they use the iPad a lot. It doesn't have the bloated excess of most "computers" to act as a library of forgotten lore. It is a perfect size. People are just going to start deleting that old crap, and on the off-chance that they MIGHT view it again, they will simply download it again and delete it again.

Simple.

You can have both. For instance, store all the data you like on a desktop and have the iPad around for portable use. No need to choose one or the other.

Still, if there is one flaw in the iPad as it stands, it's that it's not suited to what I used a cheap netbook for. I was overseas on vacation with a hybrid camera that burns through a ton of storage space. My camera requires 16GB for less than an hour of HD video. Buying a lot of SDHC cards would have cost a lot more than buying the netbook.

The iPad would be an outstanding travel companion were it able to store a lot of data off of a camera, still and video, but right now that's not the case. Still photos, sure, but video, no way.

Otherwise, I don't have a problem using my desktop to store huge amounts of data and transfer files as needed onto something like the iPad.
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post #83 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

iPad may not be good for serious work, but it beats the best "netbook" into the pavement.


Netbooks aren't better at ANYTHING. The iPad is better at EVERYTHING.
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post #84 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister;

I respectfully disagree.

Saw a photo of the prime minister of Denmark managing the country from an iPad while stuck in an airport, another of surgeons using an iPad in the OR, another of a doctor explaining something to his patient using an iPad, another of a rather famous movie director illustrating something to a rather famous actor on an iPad. There are countless other examples.

Tablets and even smartphones can be incredibly productive devices, in the right hands.


I know Americans are not that good at geography but, Norway, not Denmark. Close.

Never-the-less, its not much of an argument when you pitch a politician and a Hollywood director as examples of productivity. Doctors don't fall far behind.

Having had a 3G iPad since the first shipment, I've found it a delight to use and is my main computer. However, anytime I need to get anything serious done, I pick up an Air. It's my least favorite of probably 50 Apple laptops I've had over the years (size, balance, sharp edges, sorta slow). As much as I had hoped the Air would see a new home when I got the iPad, it's simply not the case and I now find myself traveling with both. The lack of an accessible file system is my major issue but there are tons more.

The current iPad is a great start. Buts it's a niche product once you get off the couch.
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post #85 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

WRONG. Thanks troll!

Been using it productively since day one. It's a new key component of my business and primary source of income.

SO wtf are you talking about?

So what productivity software do you use to make the iPad so powerful and the key source of income for your business?
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post #86 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Everyone is bragging about specs while Apple just included a gyroscope, FaceTime, an A4 processor, and improved battery life.

Yep. The A4 is the fastest processor out there, but Apple won't release the specs, because the number doesn't matter. It is the User Experience of having that blazing power under the hood, not the geek-spec bragging rights.
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post #87 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyguido View Post


I'm pretty happy with the current line up, smartphone for on the go immediate info, games, phone calls, etc. A tablet for a relaxed way to browse the web, my photos, do some light work editing documents or pictures or videos, nothing hardcore, just stuff you wanna do slouching on the couch. Then the laptop takes over if Im going to be working for hours and I'm really hashing out something new. Finally, desktops are like consumer based servers, with many of the processing, I/o and disk space of a server but a more natural interface that consumers feel comfortable with.


It sounds to me like the new 7 inch iPad will fit nicely into your Digital Lifestyle. Congrats!
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post #88 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:45am
Wow, this thread seems to be an overblown semantic argument, or at least an argument over poorly defined terms.

Id say Apple has designed the iPads first iteration to be a satellite computing device. Not designed to be your only or main computing device (even though its possible to use it that way once youve activated it via iTunes, which can be done in an Apple Store).

Id also say that Apple expects the current iPad to be mostly a consumption device for the majority of users, even though it can easily be used to create as there are apps and specialized uses that focus on creation over consumption. Pedantically speaking it does have a virtual keyboard and can connect to physical keyboard which in itself is used for creation.

I dont think any reasonable poster who has stated that its a consumption device is actually denying that it can be used for (or even primarily used by some) for creation. I think they are saying that the main focus from Apple and the most likely use is consumption. I watched a show on HGTV that used a sponge to create textured walls, but I doubt anyone would argue that is its main use.

Can we not agree that its designed to complement your main PC and be optimized for tasks that would tend to benefit a highly mobile , handheld device with a large* screen screen?


* large screen for a mobile, handheld device.
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post #89 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

You can have both. For instance, store all the data you like on a desktop and have the iPad around for portable use. No need to choose one or the other.

Still, if there is one flaw in the iPad as it stands, it's that it's not suited to what I used a cheap netbook for. I was overseas on vacation with a hybrid camera that burns through a ton of storage space. My camera requires 16GB for less than an hour of HD video. Buying a lot of SDHC cards would have cost a lot more than buying the netbook.

The iPad would be an outstanding travel companion were it able to store a lot of data off of a camera, still and video, but right now that's not the case. Still photos, sure, but video, no way.

Otherwise, I don't have a problem using my desktop to store huge amounts of data and transfer files as needed onto something like the iPad.

I can see that issue being true as I am on vacation and dumping tons of data to my MacBook Pro at the end of every day, both high res RAW pics and HD video from my Sony FX1. Even the internal 500 Gig is useless, I am using an external FW 1 TB drive. It would be nice if there were an external option for some sort of low cost storage, perhaps iPad Mk 2 will have USB3 or Apple will sell a high speed 1 TB WiFi external drive that syncs to the iPad seamlessly (given SJ's penchant to leap ahead in technology).
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post #90 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo;

The iPad would be an outstanding travel companion were it able to store a lot of data off of a camera, still and video, but right now that's not the case. Still photos, sure, but video, no way.

Let me tell you how great the iPad is as a travel companion. I've been on the road for 2 months now. 4 countries so far. It's a holiday, nothing serious.

Pics - it's useless. No file system, no organizational capability within the Photo app, no editing ability. So, I use 3 different apps to a get the images into the iPad in the first place, edits and Photo Sort to organize them. 3 different apps, 2 different file systems and redundant pics all over the place. Want to respond to an email and throw in some photos, good luck, it's copy and paste one by one and change apps each time. The photo side of the iPad is a joke.

Communications - the weakest wifi I've ever seen. My iPhone and iPod Touch blow it away. 3G with different suppliers, depending on the country, either a huge hassle or no service after a few days (Google if you don't buy this). I've never had any issues with service on the unlocked iPhone.

The mundane administrative things - can't print, can't easily import files, can't do much with many of them anyway.

Fortunately I have an Air with me as I was not convinced the iPad would deliver on my hopes.
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post #91 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Wow, this thread seems to be an overblown semantic argument, or at least an argument over poorly defined terms.

Id say Apple has designed the iPads first iteration to be a satellite computing device. Not designed to be your only or main computing device (even though its possible to use it that way once youve activated it via iTunes, which can be done in an Apple Store).

Id also say that Apple expects the current iPad to be mostly a consumption device for the majority of users, even though it can easily be used to create as there are apps and specialized uses that focus on creation over consumption. Pedantically speaking it does have a virtual keyboard and can connect to physical keyboard which in itself is used for creation.

I dont think any reasonable poster who has stated that its a consumption device is actually denying that it can be used for (or even primarily used by some) for creation. I think they are saying that the main focus from Apple and the most likely use is consumption. I watched a show on HGTV that used a sponge to create textured walls, but I doubt anyone would argue that is its main use.

Can we not agree that its designed to complement your main PC and be optimized for tasks that would tend to benefit a highly mobile , handheld device with a large* screen screen?


* large screen for a mobile, handheld device.

Totally correct. I think it is also the case it has opened up some people's imagination to the potential of iOS to be able to cater to a medium level of creation ... if a few extra features were added (e.g. external storage add ons). I suspect Apple have been happy to observe such reactions from users and may well add a few features to help this trend along in future iPad iterations.
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post #92 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:55am
What was he going to say? "Our product sucks and can't compete"? Again, Apple has an entire ecosystem around a product. Chances are that the LG tab will be either Google Chrome OS or Android, both of which haven't got the ecosystem that Apple has. Unlike LG, Apple is actually innovative. Next...
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post #93 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I can see that issue being true as I am on vacation and dumping tons of data to my MacBook Pro at the end of every day, both high res RAW pics andHD video from my Sony FX1. Even the internal 500 Gig is useless, I am using an external FW 1 TB drive. It would be nice if there were an external option for some sort of low cost storage, perhaps iPad Mk 2 will have USB3 or Apple will sell a high speed 1 TB WiFi external drive that syncs to the iPad seamlessly (given SJ's penchant to leap ahead in technology).

So far it seems Apple has no plans to add any support for HDDs to any iOS device. I think a nice large HDD with, say a 30-pin connector dock or even 802.11n WiFi would be a great option for transferring data to and from. Not just images, but also streaming video to others with iOS devices. However, Id rather see and iOS-based* Apple Home Server first as I think this is lacking in their lineup and would be a better seller more than the mythical xMac or TV.


PS: Its for this reason I think a low cost iOS-based* TV with no local storage is a viable rumour, or least not one that is so far fetched that it can be discounted immediately. It also makes me think that they may offer two TVs. One with a HDD a mass storage and 1080p for several hundred dollars designed for your main widescreen HDTV (maybe built into the new Mac Mini case) and one that is about as small as an iPod Nano with only 720p maximum that is inexpensive enough to be on the other TVs most people tend to have in their homes these days.

* iOS ≠ CocoaTouch
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post #94 of 196
8/21/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post

Let me tell you how great the iPad is as a travel companion. I've been on the road for 2 months now. 4 countries so far. It's a holiday, nothing serious.

Pics - it's useless. No file system, no organizational capability within the Photo app, no editing ability. So, I use 3 different apps to a get the images into the iPad in the first place, edits and Photo Sort to organize them. 3 different apps, 2 different file systems and redundant pics all over the place. Want to respond to an email and throw in some photos, good luck, it's copy and paste one by one and change apps each time. The photo side of the iPad is a joke.

Communications - the weakest wifi I've ever seen. My iPhone and iPod Touch blow it away. 3G with different suppliers, depending on the country, either a huge hassle or no service after a few days (Google if you don't buy this). I've never had any issues with service on the unlocked iPhone.

The mundane administrative things - can't print, can't easily import files, can't do much with many of them anyway.

Fortunately I have an Air with me as I was not convinced the iPad would deliver on my hopes.

I agree as it is now and Solipism summed it all up perfectly. iPad is awesome as an add on device to an existing MacBook or Mac Pro.
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post #95 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:02am
These people are learning from Google, they're heavily taking advantage of the anti Apple attitude of the majority in the media to throw lies left & right. They know the majority will not contradict their lies.

Pity Apple shits its pants regarding PR, still.
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post #96 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Agreed. All the regulars in this forum who say that the iPad is the future of computing haven't noticed that Apple lists a computer among the system requirements for the iPad.

This is true for the current model of the iPad. But there's no reason why it will always remain this way. There's no reason why at some point in the future these devices will not need a "computer". Currently, the "computer" is used to activate (initialize), sync, and back up the device.

Furthermore, it's not the dependency that people are talking about, when they say it is the future of computing, it's the experience they're referring to. The iPad does 99% of what most people need from a computer without all the complexities of today's systems. All Apple has to add is the ability to connect peripherals which would be a trivial addition for an OS that already supports it. A simple dock with USB ports on it would suffice. (The Camera Connection Kit already shows what is currently possible with a USB port.)

A major issue with these devices is their storage sizes. There's no way anyone would be able to use one of these devices as their only computer until storage capacities go way up.
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post #97 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

What was he going to say? "Our product sucks and can't compete"? Again, Apple has an entire ecosystem around a product. Chances are that the LG tab will be either Google Chrome OS or Android, both of which haven't got the ecosystem that Apple has. Unlike LG, Apple is actually innovative. Next...

You’re right, and his statement is now riding the wave of Apple’s marketing engine… which was likely the intent. How many articles were written about this yesterday simply because he said it was better than Apple’s iPad? I just hope they can make it a viable competitor. They don’t have to beat Apple in unit sales, revenue or profit to succeed in this nascent market of tablets with efficient mobile OSes, but they do have to have a competent product out of the gate now that they’ve made this old statement. I just hope, for their sake, that they aren’t just blowing hot air.
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post #98 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post

There is all these manufacturers, used to using microsoft as their OS for so many years, and now, they're flapping in the breeze. It seems M$ has been pretty quiet on things for some time now. That's why Android is doing so well. I suspect, that not only does M$ was to kill android as much as apple does, but they're gearing up to simply copy apple head to toe, and we'll see all the manufacturers flock to M$.

They don't seem to be copying iOS that much at all. They are certainly working on "a good user experience" but I wouldn't call that "copying" in the sense that "a good user experience" is something that all companies are aiming for.

I'm not so sure they have Android in their sites either, or at least... not as much as they do RIM. To me WP7 seems targeted at gamers, geeks and business people. Probably not a bad idea if you think about it, let Apple and Google fight it out in the consumer space and try to replace RIM by using the leverage they have in their enterprise stack.
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post #99 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

So far it seems Apple has no plans to add any support for HDDs to any iOS device. I think a nice large HDD with, say a 30-pin connector dock or even 802.11n WiFi would be a great option for transferring data to and from. Not just images, but also streaming video to others with iOS devices. However, I’d rather see and iOS-based* Apple Home Server first as I think this is lacking in their lineup and would be a better seller more than the mythical xMac or TV.


PS: It’s for this reason I think a low cost iOS-based* TV with no local storage is a viable rumour, or least not one that is so far fetched that it can be discounted immediately. It also makes me think that they may offer two TVs. One with a HDD a mass storage and 1080p for several hundred dollars designed for your main widescreen HDTV (maybe built into the new Mac Mini case) and one that is about as small as an iPod Nano with only 720p maximum that is inexpensive enough to be on the other TVs most people tend to have in their homes these days.

* iOS ≠ CocoaTouch

Your ideas on ATV (or is that iTV? LOL ... I laugh as I am originally from UK and know how that is playing out) sound good ... except I suspect SJ is moving away from any local storage for video preferring to push the streaming aspects. That's how it seems to me. Personally I love the ability to store video, both my own and movies and then stream them but I am not necessarily a typical consumer being in the video business.
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post #100 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I agree as it is now and Solipism summed it all up perfectly. iPad is awesome as an add on device to an existing MacBook or Mac Pro.

Thanks!
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post #101 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by alexkhan2000 View Post

Rad to the power of awesome...

Kudos on the awesome post!

You obviously don't rate Bada or Meego? From what I've seen Bada actually looks pretty tight. I haven't seen much of Meego yet.

I'm not sure either have the eco-system to compete in the long-run though.
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post #102 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:13am
LG just simply doesnt know what they are doing ... their LG phones cant even beat iphone,, i wonder why LG will talk bullshit like this!! Come on , LG , go home and look at your crappy phones first !
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post #103 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:21am
I can't wait to see how much money LG, HP, and Microsoft loses chasing the iPad.
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post #104 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

d also say that Apple expects the current iPad to be mostly a consumption device for the majority of users, even though it can easily be used to create as there are apps and specialized uses that focus on creation over consumption.

Actually if you think about it, a vast majority of users use their "real" computers mostly for consumption and entertainment as well. A lot of iPad critics think from a hobbyists or professionals perspective when they say it could never replace a real computer. And they would be right. The iPad was never meant for "hard core" computing, it is for casual computer usage. People who buy $500 Dells or $300 net books aren't doing anything hard core with their computers either. These computers are mostly used for, entertainment, communication, organization, and personal finances all of which the iPad is more than capable.
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post #105 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

... iOS isn't OS X made for fingers, rather a new OS made specifically from the ground up. ...

Strictly speaking, this is not entirely correct. The foundations of OS X and iOS are pretty much the same. Obviously there are some differences, but the similarities are greater. The primary difference is in the Application/UI layer (and some of the newer lower level layers available on OS X), with one using Cocoa and the Other CocoaTouch. That is a pretty big difference, but not really from the ground up.
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post #106 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

Actually if you think about it, a vast majority of users use their "real" computers mostly for consumption and entertainment as well. A lot of iPad critics think from a hobbyists or professionals perspective when they say it could never replace a real computer. And they would be right. The iPad was never meant for "hard core" computing, it is for casual computer usage. People who buy $500 Dells or $300 net books aren't doing anything hard core with their computers either. These computers are mostly used for, entertainment, communication, organization, and personal finances all of which the iPad is more than capable.

I didnt want to get into the other side of the issue as I felt it would cloud my point that were all pretty much on the same page, but youre correct. Most of us do use out PCs for consumption. For all the writing I do in my web browser its probably 1/10the the amount of reading I do.

Then there are the videos I watch on my I watch. Sure, I do edit and transcode occasionally, but its its practically non-existance compared to the video I watch.

I think makes a good case for Apple choosing to go with C2D with a better GPU for the 13 notebooks and mini desktop. I also think it makes a good case for Apple offering a 15 and 17 MacBook for those that want a larger display but dont need the performance, engineering or price tag that comes with the larger MacBook Pro.
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post #107 of 196
8/21/10 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post

Let me tell you how great the iPad is as a travel companion. I've been on the road for 2 months now. 4 countries so far. It's a holiday, nothing serious.

Pics - it's useless. No file system, no organizational capability within the Photo app, no editing ability. So, I use 3 different apps to a get the images into the iPad in the first place, edits and Photo Sort to organize them. 3 different apps, 2 different file systems and redundant pics all over the place. Want to respond to an email and throw in some photos, good luck, it's copy and paste one by one and change apps each time. The photo side of the iPad is a joke.

Communications - the weakest wifi I've ever seen. My iPhone and iPod Touch blow it away. 3G with different suppliers, depending on the country, either a huge hassle or no service after a few days (Google if you don't buy this). I've never had any issues with service on the unlocked iPhone.

The mundane administrative things - can't print, can't easily import files, can't do much with many of them anyway.

Fortunately I have an Air with me as I was not convinced the iPad would deliver on my hopes.

Seems to me that Apple does need to address the iPad's shortcomings in regards to being used abroad in future versions. Quite a few of us would love to be able to get by with just one portable device while travelling. As you point out, the iPad is not that device. But I believe that over the long haul it makes sense that it should be.

That said, I don't think it's realistic to expect the iPad to perform on a par with a decent laptop but the idea of it being designed so that one would be comfortable with using it for basic handling of media while on the road has a lot of merit.

I think the target, though, would be typical vacationers, someone abroad for a few weeks, shooting HD video (most of us do now), wanting to show off pics to family and friends while on the go, etc.

Future versions will address concerns and the hardware will no doubt just keep on getting more powerful. These are early days. For now, though, if I was taking a trip, the iPad would not be the device I'd choose if I could only bring one.
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post #108 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by alexkhan2000 View Post

Now we have the likes of US high-tech companies like Apple, Microsoft, HP, Dell, etc. competing against consumer electronics titans likes of Sony, Samsung, LG, Toshiba, etc. and this brawl will make what we've witnessed in the tech industry over the past 20 years seem tame in comparison. You throw in the major telecom players and content providers around the world and this battlefield is one amazingly complex soup of alliances, double-crosses and intense cutthroat wars. This sure beats following MLB and NFL!

Great post in general.

Of course, one of the huge problems that Apple, Dell, MS, etc. face is that a lot of their components are sourced from their competitors. A lot of their manufacturing are done by their competitors. And all this is done in China, which has very little legal IP protection, and if anything, encourages the theft of IP in practice.

I am no American protectionist (in fact, I am not even American) but the Apples and Dells of the world really need to bring their manufacturing back to the US. Their long term interests are really at threat because they've almost reached a situation (although Apple, it seems, has avoided it so far) where their contractors know more about their products than they do themselves.

Along the same vein, one of the things the Android fanbois don't realize that Android is nothing but a Google sponsored transfer of IP from the US to China. Android is essentially giving the Samsungs and LGs a way to compete for free. And all of it is subsidized by advertising. The whole ad sponsored IP giveaway bubble that we are seeing is going to cause much larger problems down the road.
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8/21/10 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

The iPad would be an outstanding travel companion were it able to store a lot of data off of a camera, still and video, but right now that's not the case. Still photos, sure, but video, no way.


The vast majority of people do not need that capability. It is a tiny, tiny niche.

The iPad is designed for the average Joe.
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8/21/10 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

I don't think you understand at all. Apple groups the documents with their software for your convenience.

If you want a "document-centric" OS, maybe you should go back to Windows.

In windows, you use a confusing file system to try to find some sort of something that you think you remembered making but don't really know what or where.

In iOS, you simply open the app, and there it is right in front of you. EASY!

I never want to see a file structure ever again!

Except the document isn't there right in front of you because it's in a different app. Seriously how is it convenient, this is my exact problem with the iPhone. I write a word doc in Quick Office, then what? It's stuck on my phone, I can't email it to the person its for as Mail can't access the document. Or any other task where you need to use different apps for different things with the same files. The only real area that works well so far is the fact you can access photo's from different apps, but even that's not perfect.
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post #111 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:26am
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Pics - it's useless. No file system, no organizational capability within the Photo app, no editing ability. So, I use 3 different apps to a get the images into the iPad in the first place, edits and Photo Sort to organize them. 3 different apps, 2 different file systems and redundant pics all over the place. Want to respond to an email and throw in some photos, good luck, it's copy and paste one by one and change apps each time. The photo side of the iPad is a joke.

I'm sorry but this is a load of s&%!. Three things:

First, you don't need any apps to import pics to your iPad - only the camera connection kit.

Second, no editing ability? There are many apps available on the app store for light editing.

Third, you don't have to copy and paste pictures to add to an email. You simply check them and hit the email button. As you can see, I have 5 pictures selected for this email. Not one at a time like you claim:

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post #112 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:26am
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So what productivity software do you use to make the iPad so powerful and the key source of income for your business?


He never said that. He said that the iPad is the PRIMARY source of income for his business. I wonder what he used before, and how much more money he makes now that he has the productivity inherent in the iPad.
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post #113 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:28am
Apple has put a good product out there with the iPad and set the standard for tablets.The iPad was developed on the base of the iPhone and with the first three generations have funded their tablet. With so much cash in reserve, Apple can turn those products flying off the assembling line. LG will sell their share but the Apple OS will continue to bring those PC people over to Apple.
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post #114 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:30am
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Pedantically speaking it does have a virtual keyboard and can connect to physical keyboard which in itself is used for creation.




My Auntie Millie answers my emails using her iPad. THAT IS CONTENT CREATION.

Anybody who says that the iPad is not the best way to create content needs to send an email to my Auntie Millie, and she will prove them wrong.
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post #115 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:32am
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Why would this be a good idea? If you could actually make a tablet as functional as a laptop, it would destroy laptop sales. I'm pretty happy with the current line up, smartphone for on the go immediate info, games, phone calls, etc. A tablet for a relaxed way to browse the web, my photos, do some light work editing documents or pictures or videos, nothing hardcore, just stuff you wanna do slouching on the couch. Then the laptop takes over if Im going to be working for hours and I'm really hashing out something new. Finally, desktops are like consumer based servers, with many of the processing, I/o and disk space of a server but a more natural interface that consumers feel comfortable with.

The iPad firm factor isn't nearly as condusive to long stretches of work as my laptop, nor is my laptop as conducive to leisurely reading or browsing my photos. The point of the iPad, like the iPhone, is to expand computing to another level, not defeat the devices that came before it. This is not to say no one will create great stuff on phones or laptops, they will more and more everyday, but for a tablet to completely make the laptop obsolete would only harm the very companies producing them, it's not the future.

So when a company invents a new and better way to accomplish things on a tablet computer, they are going to decide to not implement for the sake of laptop or pocketable device sales. I don't think the future of mobile computing will play out like that. New paradigms will replace old ones and new technologies will replace old tech.
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post #116 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:36am
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Let me tell you how great the iPad is as a travel companion. I've been on the road for 2 months now. 4 countries so far. It's a holiday, nothing serious.

Pics - it's useless. No file system, no organizational capability within the Photo app, no editing ability. So, I use 3 different apps to a get the images into the iPad in the first place, edits and Photo Sort to organize them. 3 different apps, 2 different file systems and redundant pics all over the place. Want to respond to an email and throw in some photos, good luck, it's copy and paste one by one and change apps each time. The photo side of the iPad is a joke.

Communications - the weakest wifi I've ever seen. My iPhone and iPod Touch blow it away. 3G with different suppliers, depending on the country, either a huge hassle or no service after a few days (Google if you don't buy this). I've never had any issues with service on the unlocked iPhone.

The mundane administrative things - can't print, can't easily import files, can't do much with many of them anyway.

I don't think you understand what the iPad is all about. You might be happier with an MBP.

Why do these haters focus on what the iPad WONT do, because it is NOT DESIGNED TO DO THAT, rather than on just about everything else, which the iPad is better at than anything else out there?
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post #117 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:38am
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The iPad does 99% of what most people need from a computer without all the complexities of today's systems.


I think that 99% is way to conservative.
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post #118 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:43am
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Except the document isn't there right in front of you because it's in a different app. Seriously how is it convenient, this is my exact problem with the iPhone. I write a word doc in Quick Office, then what? It's stuck on my phone, I can't email it to the person its for as Mail can't access the document. Or any other task where you need to use different apps for different things with the same files. The only real area that works well so far is the fact you can access photo's from different apps, but even that's not perfect.



It is designed from the ground up to be convenient for the vast majority of users. You seem to think that Apple should change its whole design philosophy because of one specialized use that you alone do.
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post #119 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:45am
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I'm sorry but this is a load of s&%!. Three things:

First, you don't need any apps to import pics to your iPad - only the camera connection kit.

Second, no editing ability? There are many apps available on the app store for light editing.

Third, you don't have to copy and paste pictures to add to an email. You simply check them and hit the email button. As you can see, I have 5 pictures selected for this email. Not one at a time like you claim:



Save your breath. He knew all that already, but he hates Apple. He probably works for LG.
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post #120 of 196
8/21/10 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post

It seems M$ has been pretty quiet on things for some time now. That's why Android is doing so well. I suspect, that not only does M$ was to kill android as much as apple does, but they're gearing up to simply copy apple head to toe, and we'll see all the manufacturers flock to M$.

I don't really see that happening. Out of all the different players Microsoft seem the only ones trying do still do something different. Rather than a basic OS for tablets there sticking with Windows, and rather than copy the iPhone there making it different with WP7. Which IMO is the right thing to do, every other phone irrespective of if it is better or worse than the iPhone currently looks worse than the iPhone as it's trying to replicate the iPhone, and if you replicate your never as good.


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This is true for the current model of the iPad. But there's no reason why it will always remain this way. There's no reason why at some point in the future these devices will not need a "computer". Currently, the "computer" is used to activate (initialize), sync, and back up the device.

If this was the case though, you have to ask why did we start at this point? The level of ability a tablet from Apple could do is what OS X and Windows do. But what we have is a device reliant on another computer, doesn't have a file system, only loads programs from a closed system and basically has lots of limitations. Each one of these limitations didn't need to be there but Apple decided they should be. Now it could be that this was just a decision to make the initial product lack features on purpose just so they could put them in again and get people to re-buy the product or they have different ideas about what it's for. Either way is the fact is as the guy said to anyone saying the iPads going to replace computers, it currently does have a computer listed as a requirement so in the short term it cant.
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