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Maybe this has something to do with the famous Google-Verizon proposal.
In that deal Google got free rein on the wired Internet (for the GoogleTV) but threw the wireless to the wolves in terms of neutrality.
I know everyone thinks wireless is where everyone is heading, but if Google can get their hooks into advertising for the TV content people watch they would have a jackpot on their hands.
Imagine that, theoretically they have all your emails, IM's, texts and wireless searching info from Android AND everything you watch/do on wired TV and home Internet use. That's quite a lot of power there for a company whose business is... well YOUR business.

For people that say, well Apple is the same, I would reply that Apple is interested in selling you hardware for a profit, not selling your info for a profit.
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What new industry did SJ create?

Personal computers existed before the Mac
Flash based music players existed with the iPod
Cell phones existed before the iPhone
Tablets existed before the iPad
App stores existed before iTunes

So what new industry dud SJ create that did no exist before

He said market not industry.. Just coz a certain device exist doesn't mean there's a market for it.
post #43 of 259
every time every each iWhatever will change everything. Gimme a brake now...
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What new industry did SJ create?
.......
So what new industry dud SJ create that did no exist before

A whole industry of Apple-haters who are not very good at spelling, perhaps?
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The bumbling Steve Jobs is about to make another irrelevant product! Beleaguered Apple of Cupertino, CA is not even windows OS/2 compatible!
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every time every each iWhatever will change everything. Gimme a brake now...

See, what did I tell you?
post #47 of 259
I guess its only right to be unbiased and grab all kinds of news from any blog/site but sometimes it seems more than obvious that some people/sources are only sometimes correct because of coincidence. For example, he was right about copy n paste but so were many people. Many were anticipating it. However, this guy also claims the 3G would have a front camera and that iTV will allow...viewing other angles of football on the iPad? that sounds like the dumbest idea I've heard. I don't know about you, but I like havin to look down from my big TV to a smaller screen to check some extraneous angle on football.
This guy is nothing more than some other guy who claims to know stuff. Why is AI posting this?!?
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I do believe that the future will be Internet TV. But I also believe the time is not now or nor in the next 10 years. .....But time will tell who's right.

Is it really so hard to believe that people want a better organized TV interface.....

They said the same about phone interfaces..... It's fine, what can Apple add....

(etc)
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See, what did I tell you?

ok, you are right. Maybe next time I shall push F7 to... oups, I've forgot, I don't have that option anymore...

Now, is your CC ready for a new iSomething already, so that industry can grow bigger?

Really, that "changing everything" thing is already worn out...
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

What new industry did SJ create?

Personal computers existed before the Mac
Flash based music players existed with the iPod
Cell phones existed before the iPhone
Tablets existed before the iPad
App stores existed before iTunes

So what new industry dud SJ create that did no exist before

Are you even aware of what an ignorant response this is? Let me count the ways:

1) Computers before the Apple and Mac were geek toys.
2) He didn't start with flash, he started with a hard drive. The iPod owned the space before flash was added.
3) The iPhone is not relevant as a phone, it is a smartphone. Again, the RIMs of the world were great for businesses, for Mom and the rest of us? Not so much.
4) I think iPad outsold the cumulative sales of all those laptops without hinges in the first day. Why is that do you think?
5) Online bookstores existed before Amazon, and Search Engines before Google, and cars before Ford. Get the point?

There is more to creating a new industry than being the first one to get a product up and running. In truth, very few revolutionary and dominant products appeared sui generis.

If you're going to challenge and be critical, at least do it intelligently.
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Originally Posted by geofflee21 View Post

I guess its only right to be unbiased and grab all kinds of news from any blog/site but sometimes it seems more than obvious that some people/sources are only sometimes correct because of coincidence. For example, he was right about copy n paste but so were many people. Many were anticipating it. However, this guy also claims the 3G would have a front camera and that iTV will allow...viewing other angles of football on the iPad? that sounds like the dumbest idea I've heard. I don't know about you, but I like havin to look down from my big TV to a smaller screen to check some extraneous angle on football.
This guy is nothing more than some other guy who claims to know stuff. Why is AI posting this?!?

Why does Kevin Rose matter?

-he is the CEO and creator of Digg (though I'm not a fan of the crowd it attracts)
-he "predicted" the release of the iPod nano and features of subsequent models
-while he got the original iPhone sizes right, he also got the two batteries wrong and confirmed the iPhone existed which at the time was just a rumor because Jobs went to extreme ends to keep it a secret.
-"predicted" that there were some new visualizations in iTunes

I don't know if Rose deserves a post on AI or Techmeme but does have some sources in Apple. He will always get a second look because there are a bunch of kids who worship him.
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ok, you are right. Maybe next time I shall push F7 to... oups, I've forgot, I don't have that option anymore...

Now, is your CC ready for a new iSomething already, so that industry can grow bigger?

Really, that "changing everything" thing is already worn out...

My stock position is swollen with the profit that people like you who continuously bet against Apple have made possible. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
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post #53 of 259
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iTV is simply an iTunes pay per view (or subscription) box.


But that sounds GREAT! All you pay for is what you watch, anytime/everytime that you watch. Don't use it? DON'T PAY!

And all the content anybody could possibly want, minus all the porn channels that nobody wants intruding into their homes anyways.

I think that cable is dead dead dead and that Apple will remake yet another industry from the bottom up. What is it now? The Music Industry. The Magazine Industry. The Advertising Industry. The Computer Industry. The Music Player Industry. The Portable Device Industry. The Book Publishing Industry. The Cell Phone Industry.

And now The Television Industry. A La Carte, Baby!!! Steve is, as usual, showing us the light.
post #54 of 259
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Originally Posted by lostkiwi View Post

Maybe this has something to do with the famous Google-Verizon proposal.
In that deal Google got free rein on the wired Internet (for the GoogleTV) but threw the wireless to the wolves in terms of neutrality.
I know everyone thinks wireless is where everyone is heading, but if Google can get their hooks into advertising for the TV content people watch they would have a jackpot on their hands.
Imagine that, theoretically they have all your emails, IM's, texts and wireless searching info from Android AND everything you watch/do on wired TV and home Internet use. That's quite a lot of power there for a company whose business is... well YOUR business.

For people that say, well Apple is the same, I would reply that Apple is interested in selling you hardware for a profit, not selling your info for a profit.

Google will have an extremely hard time initially and companies will favor Apple more even though they dislike Apple as well.

Companies hate Google because of their attitude to the way Google news is handled and the belief that Google unnecessarily links to pirated content of movies, books& TV shows. They will trust Apple more because iOS have shown the willingness to pay for content unlike Android users who expect everything for free.
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What is the chance that existing AppleTV owners get the software update?


Steve wants you to have the best possible User Experience, so if the new one has an A4 processor, you probably wouldn't be allowed to download the update, because then you wouldn't know how much better the new one is. Otherwise, you would suffer and blame Apple instead of having the best User Experience. They don't want to pay for Apple Care time for people with old hardware who would complain to them.
post #56 of 259
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

What new industry did SJ create?

Personal computers existed before the Mac
Flash based music players existed with the iPod
Cell phones existed before the iPhone
Tablets existed before the iPad
App stores existed before iTunes

So what new industry dud SJ create that did no exist before

the frist personal computer was the Apple 1
post #57 of 259
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Originally Posted by NomadMac View Post

Maybe you ought to start your own company since you obviously are much more savvy than Steve at creating new markets, industries and products.

Maybe? Unless he has formed a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate which changes the whole world in multiple profound ways, he has absolutely no right to say anything bad about Steve.

Nothing bad. Not from him.
post #58 of 259
I have a PC running Windows 7 Media Center in my basement which connects to several XBOX 360s that serve as extenders. The result is live and recorded TV on every screen in my house for the cost of a cable bill and a cheap homebuilt PC. It's over 95% reliable and beats the pants off any DVR solution offered currently by cable or satellite.

To compete with this and "change everything", Apple will need to do ONE the following:

(1) Recording support via CableCard or Tru2Way
(2) Free Internet TV (ala HULU) which they can monetize with iAds.

If they offered both, it would be a glad slam, since more choices are always better than less.

It all comes down to economics. As long as there is free TV over the airwaves, people won't go the itunes route (pay for individual episodes or seasons) since they would end up paying more than their average cable or satellite bill.

Properly executed, Apple could kill the DVR and Cable/Satellite industries in one fell swoop. I can't wait to see how this plays out, because Internet-based television is clearly the future. Question is, who's going to own it: Apple, Google, M$?
post #59 of 259
This just seems like he got info from a load of different sources that have been banging on about this for week, and then blogged about it to gain attention. This style of cheep news should be branded as vapour, just rehashed rumours from other news sites.

"Like the iPhone and iPad, Apple's new iTV will have access to the App Store where users will be able to download software to run on their device" Sorry what about the iPod Touch?

"With Apple's iAds, content producers (eg. ABC/NBC/etc.) can directly monetize and distribute their content," he said. "This will eventually destroy the television side of the cable and satellite industry, as your only requirement to access these on-demand stations will be an internet connection. Say goodbye to your monthly cable bill." Again this is just hype and speculation from other sources, it's also highly unlikely due to the TV/Movie industries fear of Apple.

"The Web entrepreneur also said the new iTV will turn Apple's iPad into a remote control, as the "preferred input device" for the set top box. The iPad will also allow users to edit videos, control games, and "extend the interactive television experience," he said. He gave an example of watching football while viewing other camera angles on the iPad." Great, where's the remote gone, oh little Jonny has taken it, hmmm now what do we do????

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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

If I can subscribe to just the networks I like for less money I'm golden.


Less money is beside the point. It is likely to be significantly more expensive, but it will be worth every penny because it will be so great.
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I've always said without the ability to record TV or other shows AppleTV wasn't very compelling. TiVo was/is far more so. Don't get me wrong, I think the AppleTV is cool as a distribution unit for the price it really should have had recording ability.

So then, write an iTV app that records whatever it is that you want, saves it to some secure place for future playback, and is a pleasure to use, for 9.99, and you've provided a solution that others like yourself might take advantage of.
Do it right and you could make hundreds of dollars!
JB
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the frist personal computer was the Apple 1

I think the first personal computer is the Apple II though the Mac was better for the average person. The Apple I may have been is extremely rare, made of wood and was made by Wozniak himself. It wasn't massively produced.
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Say good bye to the monthly cable bill and say hello to tiered internet pricing from the telecom and cable companies. They are going to take your money any which way they can just like the wireless providers do with their tiered data pricing.



Maybe, but so that Apple can make deals for getting better bandwidth, we should all fight against so-called "net neutrality" that would prevent us from using all the bandwidth that we need for iAds and content and stuff.
post #64 of 259
I have never and still do not see the value in having a set-top box that can run mobile phone applications. I mean, how are you supposed to interact with an iPhone app when you don't have a capacitive touch screen, an accelerometer, etc.?

Also, if the iTV is real, I really hope Apple does its best to resist pressure from the rest of the industry. One of the key shortcomings I see of Apple's iOS platform (especially compared to Android) is that Apple is beholden to AT&Tno videochatting over cellular networks, no telephony services (Google Voice) that compete with AT&T, no files bigger than 30 MB over cellular networks (e.g. the typical podcast), etc. If Apple partners with several big content providers for its iTV launch, I think we can pretty safely say that several excellent functions of the hypothetical iTV device (Tivo-like recording, for instance) would be banned.

But then again, Apple may pull off the launch well, only partner with other online-only content sources (Hulu), and it'd be awesome
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But will it have porn?
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I hate cable. Really I do. ...

So do I. So much I ditched cable and broadcast TV a long, long time ago. In addition to cable's utter disregard for their customers, network TV's content degenerated into 99% garbage years ago while advertisements simultaneously grew more numerous, obnoxious, and distasteful. The junk that networks pass as "news" has become packaged entertainment for illiterate morons. So what good is TV any more?

For a small fraction of cable's cost, I can pick and choose quality entertainment from Netflix or any number of similar services.

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My big deal is getting EVERY show I want, when I want it, and not a week or a month late. ... Call me picky, but as much as I don't like cable, I can't justify giving it up yet..

Try it. You may find it's the best thing you ever did. I'll only pay to have my trash removed from my home. I won't pay a red cent to have it delivered.

Cable companies have a complete monopoly, and they don't give a shit about their consumers. Much like the banking industry became - come to think of it, look for Comcast et al to come running hat in hand to Congress for a bailout

Apple's focus has been delivering what you want, when you want it, and this philosophy continues to become more prevalent. It goes back to the original iTunes Music Store - pay for what you want, not what you don't. Contrast that with the traditional broadcast TV or cable, in such context the present delivery system seems quaintly dysfunctional - kind of like buying a CD at the Tower Records Store.

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Goodbye monthly cable bill. You have just been replaced by an equally expensive monthly Internet bill.

If you don't already have broadband internet, yes, but may people are paying for that in addition to a cable subscription. Given the amount and variety of content now available online, this makes no sense to me. With the demise of a traditional cable subscription service, it's possible the cable companies will seek to recover such lost revenue in increased Internet-only service charges, but will it approach the present combined cost of TV plus Internet? I doubt it.

It may seem premature for me to write cable TV's obituary, but I believe it's certain, and just a matter of time. Like twisting the channel knob on your TV and readjusting the rabbit ears... it's going away. More often than not, such technological shifts happen faster than anyone expects. Before you know it the cable set-top converter is in your garage under the bag of cat litter.

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Steve Jobs still doesn't get it. ... This is one area where Microsoft is far superior. ... the Apply TV isn't and the upcoming iTV doesn't sound like it's in the league of Microsoft's Media Center.

I've used it, I'm underwhelmed by MMC. MMC doesn't do anything you can't do with even a cheap Blu-Ray player, which isn't bogged down by Windows and the typically crap hardware that runs it. Besides, MMC's UI is simply awful - typical Windows backassward design. Let's hope Apple doesn't follow that shining example.

...and I'm curious, just what else doesn't Steve Jobs "get"
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But will it have porn?

If it includes a web browser then the answer is yes.
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1) I cant quite wrap my head around this $99 AppleTV. Even with only a couple GB for the OS and apps and a potential size of that of an iPod Nano with the relative performance of the iPad, the best I can see is $149, even if they are trying to get a shoe in the home entertainment market.

2) I cant see this being the only TV they would offer. I can see a larger, hub-like media extender for the main widescreen HDTV that does 1080p, has plenty of local storage, apps, etc. (maybe built into the new Mac Mini case) for a several hundred dollars, with a much simpler TV for the many other TVs in a home that Id assume would be common to those who tend to buy Apples products.

3) We have to watch out for cable companies being delegated to ISPs. They have contracts with the networks. If, for example, they lose half their revenue of paid cable they may still have to pay the full contract amount to these networks along with the support costs. That means to maintain their margins theyd have to double their prices for those sticking with cable TV (which is unlikely), or bump the cost of your internet per GB and potentially adding data caps so that heavy users pay more (very likely).

4) Somewhere in its Digital Hub hegemony, Apple has to provide a consumer-friendly iServer solution that integrates and backs up all the content from various Macs, iDevices and MobileMe.

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the frist personal computer was the Apple 1

Oh, no. You are either quite young, or (understandably) biased toward Apple.

Apple wasn't - and isn't usually - first at anything in particular. Apple's history has been to identify, adapt, and refine existing technology to the point that it's useful, then market it to the average consumer. This they do astonishingly well.
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Steve Jobs is a brilliant man and a visionary. But that doesn't make him right all the time. His Newton was a tremendous failure - at the time.

Whose Newton?

Steve Jobs @ Apple: 1976 - 1985, 1997 - Present
Newton: 1987 - 1998
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... The Apple I may have been is extremely rare, made of wood and was made by Wozniak himself.

The wooden cabinet you may have found on Wikipedia or wherever was not made or sold by Apple. The Apple I was a single board computer. If you wanted a cabinet, you had to make it yourself.
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post #73 of 259
For $99 you get very limmited hardware and the opportunity to pay through the nose for monthly content. It'll be like having cable TV, but you'll need another $99 piece of hardware.
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Originally Posted by geofflee21 View Post

I guess its only right to be unbiased and grab all kinds of news from any blog/site but sometimes it seems more than obvious that some people/sources are only sometimes correct because of coincidence. For example, he was right about copy n paste but so were many people. Many were anticipating it. However, this guy also claims the 3G would have a front camera and that iTV will allow...viewing other angles of football on the iPad? that sounds like the dumbest idea I've heard. I don't know about you, but I like havin to look down from my big TV to a smaller screen to check some extraneous angle on football.
This guy is nothing more than some other guy who claims to know stuff. Why is AI posting this?!?

For many of the same reasons that that they allow you (and me) to post to these forums.

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post #75 of 259
I love my Apple TV but look forward to the rumored improvements. There is so much potential in this area because they already have a captive, active audience - me sitting there like a stump eating salt-n-vinegar chips.

I'd like Skype, tons more movies, especially recent releases and the ability to order up old TV episodes for a sweet deal.

The Apple TV does need a much beefier CPU if only to toss the slow and goofy interface out and replace it with something snappy and easy to use (and read).
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"Say goodbye to your monthly cable bill."

That's pretty much all anyone should need to hear. SIgn me up.
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the frist personal computer was the Apple 1

Do you still have the user manual-- it is a collector's item?



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post #78 of 259
Hope you guys are looking forward to watching (yes watching) some comic books on your televisions for the first time too!

Our app (Digital Comics) will certainly be ported over, and is already the only of it's kind in the app store, allowing for a completely automated comic book viewing experience.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digit...354853921?mt=8

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I have a PC running Windows 7 Media Center in my basement which connects to several XBOX 360s that serve as extenders. The result is live and recorded TV on every screen in my house for the cost of a cable bill and a cheap homebuilt PC. It's over 95% reliable and beats the pants off any DVR solution offered currently by cable or satellite.

To compete with this and "change everything", Apple will need to do ONE the following:

(1) Recording support via CableCard or Tru2Way
(2) Free Internet TV (ala HULU) which they can monetize with iAds.

If they offered both, it would be a glad slam, since more choices are always better than less.

It all comes down to economics. As long as there is free TV over the airwaves, people won't go the itunes route (pay for individual episodes or seasons) since they would end up paying more than their average cable or satellite bill.

Properly executed, Apple could kill the DVR and Cable/Satellite industries in one fell swoop. I can't wait to see how this plays out, because Internet-based television is clearly the future. Question is, who's going to own it: Apple, Google, M$?


I agree! Many of us could not duplicate your system for what it cost.

Especially those of us who live in California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico...

... first we would need to build a basement...

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I think the first personal computer is the Apple II though the Mac was better for the average person. The Apple I may have been is extremely rare, made of wood and was made by Wozniak himself. It wasn't massively produced.

It wasn't made of wood. It was sold as a motherboard.

Aftermarket resellers added cases, I/O -- or not!

http://www.vintage.org/special/2003/apple-1/

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