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post #201 of 236
8/24/10 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by gescom View Post

Aug 2009
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iPhoneOS - 58%
RIM - 18%
Android - 4 %


Aug 2010
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iPhoneOS - 38%
RIM - 31%
Android - 17 %

Hm. Hey Steve, there's something going on here. Maybe it's time to sue someone.

Source? US or worldwide?

Worldwide:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/23/sma...-2009-gartner/

US:
http://theappleblog.com/2009/12/17/i...-market-share/

RIM and Symbian have both been larger than iPhone and still are. iPhone has never been ahead of RIM.
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post #202 of 236
8/24/10 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

Source? US or worldwide?

Worldwide:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/23/sma...-2009-gartner/

US:
http://theappleblog.com/2009/12/17/i...-market-share/

RIM and Symbian have both been larger than iPhone and still are. iPhone has never been ahead of RIM.


http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200907-201008

btw. Have you seen this http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...r-1063284.html
http://www.aufrecht.de/index.php?id=6593 Unfcuking Apple believable.
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post #203 of 236
8/24/10 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by gescom View Post

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200907-201008

This is for web browser page hits, not unit sales. iPhone OS browser shits will also register from the millions of iPods out there. You aren't proving anything related to our topic, as you labeled this OS market share, which is incorrect. This just shows that people are more like to use an iPhone OS device for browsing the web.
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post #204 of 236
8/24/10 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

So what you are saying is, that in a country with zero Apple stores, all the stores that sell Apple stuff are idiots? Maybe you should notify Apple of this issue so they can solve this issue at once!!!

Well, actually, that is what was wrong with the USA, so Apple addressed it. They are slowly expanding that strategy to the other countries.

Thompson
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post #205 of 236
8/24/10 at 12:57pm
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http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200907-201008

btw. Have you seen this http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...r-1063284.html
http://www.aufrecht.de/index.php?id=6593 Unfcuking Apple believable.

Anyone who has a trademark must defend it against everyone and anyone-- otherwise they set a precedent and lose ownership of the trademark.

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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
– Alan Kay –
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post #206 of 236
8/24/10 at 3:00pm
Yes, particularly in the context of replying to someone who couldn't "see the imitation".



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I think hill60's sarcasm may gave been a bit too subtle.......

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #207 of 236
8/24/10 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

Steve loves his users enough that he built 300 stores for us. He did it for our convenience and because he wanted Apple to give stuff to its customers. I'm not sure that he can do it for the whole world. Not even Steve can save the whole world.

wow... I don't know what else I can say, but wow!
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post #208 of 236
8/24/10 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Well, actually, that is what was wrong with the USA, so Apple addressed it. They are slowly expanding that strategy to the other countries.

Thompson

But the point that was missed, is they cannot, and will not do this in all regions, and all areas in those regions. So if, as the poster claimed, the third party resellers are "idiots", then Apple should do something about it.

Now, I don't believe these resellers are idiots, I purchased a Mac Mini from one, and they were very nice to deal with, but they were empty then, and empty every other time I have gone in there.
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post #209 of 236
8/24/10 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post

In what? The screen? No. The camera? No. Build quality? Don't make me laugh. Storage? Nopes. Thinness? Sorry, no. Speed? Hell no. Froyo might have made things even, but that's it. Not about the battery either.

So please tell me where Android phones beat the iPhone. Please.

Without a doubt speed. Camera yes and I see nothing wrong with built quality. Its not my Evo on the news regarding antenna issues.

Oh and by the way I can actually stream Flash content. Go figure.
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post #210 of 236
8/24/10 at 7:55pm
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They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.

But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.

Hate to burst your bubble of meaningless stats but Acer may be the second largest in terms of unit shipments but by most other metrics are also rans...
For the first half of 2010, Apple made 3x as much revenue and 25x as much net income as Acer. Apple makes better margins from iTunes (at 5%) than Acer does from it's entire PC business.
Acer are a shipper of mostly bargain basement PCs, lots of netbooks with razor thin margins and are as much a threat to Apple as Palm...
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post #211 of 236
8/24/10 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

No delusion. I could drive to the closest dedicated Apple retailer, and it will be empty, just as it always is. And the last time I was at a real Apple shop, the majority of people were browsing websites. If I purchase Apple products the majority of the time I will use the online store.

Deluded or not, your desperate Apple hating is absurd. Old school Apple specialists are being replaced with Apple Stores. Apple Stores are the most revenue generating chain stores in the world. Apple Store 5th Avenue, NYC makes twice as much per square foot as Tiffany's round the corner. To pretend that Apple's stores aren't the most effective and successful retail execution in the past 10 years is to live in la-la-land. Your personal observations notwithstanding of course...
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post #212 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:00pm
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Deluded or not, your desperate Apple hating is absurd. Old school Apple specialists are being replaced with Apple Stores. Apple Stores are the most revenue generating chain stores in the world. Apple Store 5th Avenue, NYC makes twice as much per square foot as Tiffany's round the corner. To pretend that Apple's stores aren't the most effective and successful retail execution in the past 10 years is to live in la-la-land. Your personal observations notwithstanding of course...

Can you back that statement up with data because I would love to see those stats.
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post #213 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Without a doubt speed. Camera yes and I see nothing wrong with built quality. Its not my Evo on the news regarding antenna issues.

Oh and by the way I can actually stream Flash content. Go figure.

To be fair, your Evo has never been on the news for any reason... nice phone but only nerds give a crap. Nor do most people care about Flash.
Keep on trucking.
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post #214 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Can you back that statement up with data because I would love to see those stats.

You could search but I'll save you the brainscratching...

http://gizmodo.com/5403128/all-the-a...y-want-to-read
Incl: Apple makes 5x per square foot what Best Buy makes across all stores

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aK4TfewPa37M
Incl. Apple 5thAv NYC, $35K psf vs. Tiffany $18K (at most)

Apple's retail adventure is undeniably world class by all performance metrics. Retail consultants pretty much all point to it as best practice in fitment, staffing, performance, etc.
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post #215 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by Capnbob View Post

To be fair, your Evo has never been on the news for any reason... nice phone but only nerds give a crap. Nor do most people care about Flash.
Keep on trucking.

Yes of course. The fact that most streaming uses Flash very few people care about it. If people didn't care about Flash then it would be dead by now and its far from dead. Its more like Apple only fanboys have been lead to believe no one cares about Flash because SJ doesn't care about Flash and is trying to control content. I am not an Adobe fan but I am a fan of being able to view any content I want on the internet and not have it controlled by Steve Jobs.

If I buy a device I should have the option to install a plugin on my device.
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post #216 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by Capnbob View Post

You could search but I'll save you the brainscratching...

http://gizmodo.com/5403128/all-the-a...y-want-to-read
Incl: Apple makes 5x per square foot what Best Buy makes across all stores

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aK4TfewPa37M
Incl. Apple 5thAv NYC, $35K psf vs. Tiffany $18K (at most)

Apple's retail adventure is undeniably world class by all performance metrics. Retail consultants pretty much all point to it as best practice in fitment, staffing, performance, etc.

" Apple's total sales in 2001 were $5.4 billion. Apple Stores this year: $6.6 billion. (Apple's total sales this year were $36.5 billion.)"

So am I reading this correctly. In close to ten years Apple only increased its retail store revenue by 1 billion? Wouldn't that prove the point that indeed most shopping for Apple is still done online seeing total sales were 36.5 billion.
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post #217 of 236
8/24/10 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

steve our master gave us at least 5 miracle products
with one fantastic lean mean SW os to tie them all together.

My buddy had to buy his wife and kids computers for school << grades 10th thru 2 yr college >>

5 in total /

He bought 5 MB white plastic base models.
got 5 free touches base models no upgrades.
and then 2 ipads for the college kids and 3 160g classic ipod for wife and the younger ones .

Some one at apple sent an extra box for his family filled with goodies like t shirts stickers and stuff. All 5 MB were pre installed with free SW.

Suck in the bottom of the case was a handwritten card stating
>>THANK YOU FROM APPLE <<.

Apple understands that taking great care of its clients is good for APPLE.

why you hate apple so much and need to throw oil and sand in our eyes daily is beyond me.

peace


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I know what you are saying.

We ordered some Chinese takeaway a few days ago for whole IT team and got some free springrolls and dumplings.

Hell yea!
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post #218 of 236
8/24/10 at 10:56pm
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Deluded or not, your desperate Apple hating is absurd. Old school Apple specialists are being replaced with Apple Stores. Apple Stores are the most revenue generating chain stores in the world. Apple Store 5th Avenue, NYC makes twice as much per square foot as Tiffany's round the corner. To pretend that Apple's stores aren't the most effective and successful retail execution in the past 10 years is to live in la-la-land. Your personal observations notwithstanding of course...

Where did you get Apple hating out of my statement? Oh, that's right, I said something that you disagree with, so under the Appleinsider rules I am an Apple Hater. Maybe it is you that should move out of la-la land.

I never said anything about the effectivness of the stores, I didn't say anything about how much they sold, I statement an observation I made when I entered several of them, all the computers were being used by people browsing the internet.
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post #219 of 236
8/24/10 at 11:35pm
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If I buy a device I should have the option to install a plugin on my device.

You do have the option ... it's called jailbreaking ....so jailbreak it and move on already. You know what the real problem is don't you? You're not content to "solve your problem" this way .... you want Apple to make a device (whose demand is already outstripping supply) to be what you and a small minority of others think it should be. Extreme, I hate to break it to you, but you don't represent the majority of consumers, and neither do I, for that matter.

Buy it ... don't buy it ... but stop whining about why Apple is Apple. Most of us are happy with them just the way they are, thank you very much.

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Newbee says:  Using a Mac "inspires" you, using all others just ... tires you.  

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post #220 of 236
8/24/10 at 11:41pm
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If I buy a device I should have the option to install a plugin on my device.

why "should"? because you are dictator of the world? because some law says so? because everything should be like what you personally want?

or "should" you be simply responsible yourself to choose products that meet your personal requirements, and stop expecting everyone to cater to your convictions and desires?

yes, Apple is arrogant and their attitude is "take it or leave it." so ... leave it. but please stop whimpering about it.
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post #221 of 236
8/25/10 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

"• Apple's total sales in 2001 were $5.4 billion. Apple Stores this year: $6.6 billion. (Apple's total sales this year were $36.5 billion.)"

So am I reading this correctly. In close to ten years Apple only increased its retail store revenue by 1 billion? Wouldn't that prove the point that indeed most shopping for Apple is still done online seeing total sales were 36.5 billion.

No you aren't. In 2001, Apple's total sales (including online and the first newly opened retail stores) was 5.4B. Apple made nearly 7x that in total sales for the most recent year used in that article. Just the sales from Apple's retail stores are now 1B greater than what Apple made as a company 9 years ago. I don't think anyone in this thread has claimed most of Apple's sales happen in the Apple store, the claim was that the Apple stores are one of the biggest money making retail stores around, which they are.


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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

I never said anything about the effectivness of the stores, I didn't say anything about how much they sold, I statement an observation I made when I entered several of them, all the computers were being used by people browsing the internet.

Of course, if one of the things you will be doing a lot on your new computer, iPod, iPhone or iPad is browsing the web, it would be a good idea to see how the browsing experience is while you are looking at the computer. Are some people just using the free access to check some email or something? Probably.
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post #222 of 236
8/25/10 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

why "should"? because you are dictator of the world? because some law says so? because everything should be like what you personally want?

or "should" you be simply responsible yourself to choose products that meet your personal requirements, and stop expecting everyone to cater to your convictions and desires?

yes, Apple is arrogant and their attitude is "take it or leave it." so ... leave it. but please stop whimpering about it.

No because I am the customer that paid full price for the device which makes it mine. I know thats an odd concept for fanboys.
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post #223 of 236
8/25/10 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

No you aren't. In 2001, Apple's total sales (including online and the first newly opened retail stores) was 5.4B. Apple made nearly 7x that in total sales for the most recent year used in that article. Just the sales from Apple's retail stores are now 1B greater than what Apple made as a company 9 years ago. I don't think anyone in this thread has claimed most of Apple's sales happen in the Apple store, the claim was that the Apple stores are one of the biggest money making retail stores around, which they are.

While I haven't gone back and read the thread again I believe the point was being made that Apple still sells more online then they do in retail stores. I don't disagree that Apple stores make a solid profit but I do agree with the othe member that most of the time when an Apple store is packed its with teens using facebook.
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post #224 of 236
8/25/10 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

If I buy a device I should have the option to install a plugin on my device.

You do have that option. There are third party solutions. Apple has the right not to do it for you. Rights cut both ways.
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post #225 of 236
8/25/10 at 8:11am
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While I haven't gone back and read the thread again I believe the point was being made that Apple still sells more online then they do in retail stores. I don't disagree that Apple stores make a solid profit but I do agree with the other member that most of the time when an Apple store is packed its with teens using facebook.

I don't recall anyone pointing that out, which given the fact that there are only 300 retail stores (mostly within the US, stores in 9 other countries), anyone claiming the retail store was the main mover of Apple products would be pretty foolish. On this page, someone claimed Apple was the most profitable retailer per sq ft and then posted the data when requested. Then I corrected his interpretation of the data

As far as Apple Store usage, the only information I have for that is anecdotal. The Louisville KY Apple Store has some teens in the store, but most of the customers are typically 20s and up and are using a pretty wide variety of applications. Just my personal experience when we've gone in there, which we tend to do reasonably often as my kids enjoy the store too
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post #226 of 236
8/25/10 at 9:50am
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No because I am the customer that paid full price for the device which makes it mine. I know thats an odd concept for fanboys.

did someone promise you plug-ins would work? were you deceived? no. then own up to the fact you made a mistake - it's your mistake - and just move on. or hack it, since you own it, and do whatever you can with it. or sell it on eBay. or turn it into a flowerpot or whatever. but please stop whining.
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post #227 of 236
8/25/10 at 7:52pm
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Where did you get Apple hating out of my statement? Oh, that's right, I said something that you disagree with, so under the Appleinsider rules I am an Apple Hater. Maybe it is you that should move out of la-la land.

I never said anything about the effectivness of the stores, I didn't say anything about how much they sold, I statement an observation I made when I entered several of them, all the computers were being used by people browsing the internet.

Yawn... return to under the bridge
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post #228 of 236
8/25/10 at 8:18pm
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" Apple's total sales in 2001 were $5.4 billion. Apple Stores this year: $6.6 billion. (Apple's total sales this year were $36.5 billion.)"

So am I reading this correctly. In close to ten years Apple only increased its retail store revenue by 1 billion? Wouldn't that prove the point that indeed most shopping for Apple is still done online seeing total sales were 36.5 billion.

Well, obviously (as someone else said) you are reading it incorrectly. Am I surprised? No.

Just some more stats just in case... Apple has grown 7x in 9 years and is continuing to grow at an accelerating rate. Likely Apple will do over $62-63Bn this year (FY2010) which would be >12x in 10 years. Insane. The same size as Dell, but vastly more profitable (~6.5x). That will also be about the same hardware revenue than IBM this year (though IBM GS makes them 50% bigger overall). Same net income as IBM on 65% of the revenue.
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post #229 of 236
8/26/10 at 1:32am
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Yawn... return to under the bridge

That's right, another typical response from an one-eyed AI user. Can you please come up with a proper response, or do you not have one?
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post #230 of 236
8/26/10 at 6:09am
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That's right, another typical response from an one-eyed AI user.

Well there are a lot of pirates who post here. Besides, eye patches are hot! heh
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post #231 of 236
9/10/10 at 6:37am
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Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.

-Would you wait around if you couldnt get a table at a restaurant????? I would go elsewhere too. Im sure you would stand in the street for an hour waiting for your table, all the while trolling the Mac sites with your Android phone.
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post #232 of 236
7/22/11 at 10:07am
It is now nearly a year after your prediction Mr. Wang and iPad still holds nearly 100% if the tablet market!

Please update the AppleInsider app to function in landscape mode.

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Please update the AppleInsider app to function in landscape mode.

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post #233 of 236
7/22/11 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

It is now nearly a year after your prediction Mr. Wang and iPad still holds nearly 100% if the tablet market!

So Acer has followed up that analysis by complaining that Apple is too litigious. Yeah, that must be it.
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post #234 of 236
7/23/11 at 1:53am
I love these "In Hindsight........" threads. Lots of shoes being eaten.
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post #235 of 236
7/25/11 at 12:57pm
More specific info from Google based on screen size. They show .9% of devices accessing the Android Market in the last 7 days to be 7" and up (extra large).

So the "maybe lots of tablets aren't running Honeycomb" idea doesn't seem to be true. I suppose we could still imagine that there are lots of tablets that infrequently access the market, but there's no reason to think that would be any more true of tablets than any other Android device, and the pie chart is showing total percentages among all devices. That is, its just as likely that handsets would be missed by this metric as tablets so the percentages are probably roughly accurate.

If actual Android tablet sales are much higher than the .9% it doesn't look like it would be by much (or could even be lower) which makes the 1.2 million figure pretty plausible. It also makes talk of 30% Android tablet "market share" absolute nonsense.
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7/25/11 at 12:58pm
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