Acer exec says Apple's 'closed' iPad will drop to 20% market share - Page 3

In which area?
In market share, Wang's picture doesnt fit with your idea.

Okay, let's be honest amongst ourselves in the forum. Apple hardware costs more than other manufacturers hardware. It may be worth it, it may not. But it is a truism.

If you guys really want to persuade me that I am wrong about all things Apple, don't tell me I'm wrong about everything in the whole world. It weakens your point.

Of course Acer was leads in R&D and innovates and comes out with an iPad...

Oh wait, no they didn't.

Well surely Acer had success above their wildest dreams using MS Windows tablet as their prototype...

Oh, wait, no they didn't

Well now Acer will have the tablet they need, now that they see what works, thanks to Apple...

Maybe, there is always the diehard PC crowd to cater to that is just waiting for their PC version of an Apple device, once Apple has shown PC how...

Fine, but the point about the cliche'd "apple tax" remains the same. You foolishly spew that term (as do many others) as if there is no added value to justify the higher price. I'll take the security and simplicity of OSX over windows any day, at any price.

Kind of off topic, but I agree with your assessment. It is a very non-Apple way of doing things. On the other hand, I don't think the intention is to boost sales numbers. How much boosting do you need to do when you own the market?

I think even if they just bundled the Mac and iPod together and sold them as one, the iPod would still count as sold. Don't have to do a rebate for that to happen do they? Any corporate CFOs out there?

US$ or Taiwanese dollars?

If the latter, make sure to divide by 32.

Ha, and by "hate" you mean "is secretly envious," just like all these executives. They'd kill to have a Mac, nobody actually "likes" windows better. But obviously an Acer exec can't be seen rockin' a macbook.

Nope. I have an Acer laptop and it's pants. Very popular computer over here in the UK, but it doesn't exactly inspire individuals to build websites and debate it's form factor. Chalk and cheese my friend.

"Worldwide PC shipments reached 82.9 million units in the second quarter of 2010, a 20.7 percent increase from the second quarter of 2009."

http://darangedshaman.com/2010/07/19...pc-unit-sales/

I don't think that Apple has sold over 300 million iPads, but it doesn't really matter. Just because Acer blsws away Apple in sales in every single category they compete in is irrelevant.

Apple gets the highest prices and the most profit from each sale. As consumers, that is what is important.

So giving away stuff for free makes for good customer service? Sounds great to me. How can I get in on this free stuff? When I walk into the Apple store I get a really good price. FULL PRICE.

And how am I throwing oil and sand in your face? By telling the truth the way it is? No one here has refuted one of my points. All you do is cry like fanboys cause I picked on your leader. I call em as I see em. Deal with it. Jobs is not a Jedi master. He is a CEO and he is supposed to be making great products for his users, not telling them what the can and cannot do with his walled garden OS.

Did I make it clear enough for you? Or do you want to have another piece of Apple pie and live in the glass house?

Here is a link to the article about how Google screwed consumers. Read and Weep.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-di...60?tag=nl.e550

Even if apple doesn't care about market share... I'm goin to dip into it a bit for my
Point.

This time last year apple's iPods had a 73% market share. Impressive 3 out of every 4 personal music players were an iPod. Even after Microsoft and Samsung (among every other manufacturer) released their "iPod killers". MP3 players that boasted features better then then iPod. Fine and dandy but they first tried to release their own OS. But in the end reverted to making their products look pretty damn similar to the iPod.... In an attempt to get a piece of that available 27% market share. The stand alone products with their own designs died off quickly... Where the manufacturers who have a piece of the 27%MS are basically IPod clones.

Fast forward to today. The same companies may have a larger market share then the iPhone but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that their products are still pretty damn similar to the iPhone. Before the iPhone... Almost no one had a touch screen. Now, everyone has one and has plans to make it "better". They are still playing the iPod game in the smart phone business. These companies are afraid of apple getting the same 73% market share in the smart phone. No? Why are they comparing their products to the next Apple product? You rarely ever hear RIM bashing Nokia or Google. There's almost an unwritten rule where these super companies can't allow Apple to get over 20%MS. Classic case of kicking them when they're down. (See: antennagate).

Fast forward even further. To the iPad. Without even having to dwell too swept into this one. I'm predicting a trend. These same companies are chasing Apple right from the get go. Finding things wrong with the Apple product (See: antennagate but this time replace it with Open Source) even before they, themselves have released a product. And even when they do, who is willing to bet that they will be a spitting image of the iPad? A few might dare to make one that is their own, sure. But a short life span tends to follow products that attempt this. (See: iPod 2001-2010 and any competitors).

Why do apple products do so well? Because they're quality units (yes, with occasional defects, no one is perfect.) that run off of basically the same OS. The transition between an iPod to an iPhone to an iPad to a Mac takes minutes to adjust. This seamless gap is what I think makes Apple products so good. You can hand an iPad to a 4 year old and within these minutes they could figure it how to launch an app and basically make it do what they want. No hidden button presses to do simple tasks. This is also key for the apps in iOS, I believe that apples regulation of apps is to continue across the simplicity of it all. How many of you have installed Linux in the past only to never use it again? (I'm not saying that Linux is bad, it required more tweaking then what I needed in an OS.) And how many have searched for hours on how to do stuff in Windows? Their control panel almost requires you to have a PhD in order to find what you're looking for. Want to find something in MacOS? Click into the settings 'app'. And voilÃ*. The simplicity is key.

So yes, I agree that apples market share will eventually drop in the tablet market. But formsimplicitys sake, it won't drop as low as 20%. If the open source thing really bugs you that much, a bunch of pirates are devoted to the jailbreak. The underground app militia isn't going anywhere and are making sure to accommodate to the users who like the simplicity but have the tweaking urge of the Linux users.

A fanboi is someone who will only stick by the good. A supporter is someone who can see that grey area and embrace the products for what they need. (See: antennagate and cross reference it with the sales numbers of the iPhone 4) same will happen with the iPad. It will eventually lose ground but apple is accommodating those who find that Product A accommodates their needs better then Product B without the need of releasing product C, D, E, F and G just to accommodate the wants that their product B doesn't support. (refrenxin the 7 current models of RIM Blackberries, And [couldn't find an exact number of android phones]. but last time I checked the amount of iOS devices ever totaled 7(?) With only the new IPod touch, iphone 3GS, iPhone 4, and iPad being the current models. Over 4 years they have only dropped 3 devices into their non-current list. RIM seems to do a drop of this magnitude monthly.... It's a wonder apple even holds a 22% market share in the smart phone industry, their 4 models of iPhones are severely dwarfed by the amount of phones the other guys have. So I'm thinking that this number alone goes to show that people just really don't care about the "open source factor". I believe that the iPad not supporting open source won't hurt it's market share like these big boy smack talkers seem to think (See: antennagate). It's all about the simplicity, Apples designs definitely mimic their OS. Sometimes less really is more.

He's probably right, the iPad will fail. But failure will come only after Apple makes billions, probably tens of billions, in pretax profits because on it. By then, there will be something new.

I hate it when people respond to trolls. It is worse than the troll himslef.

Watch this video and replace 'Sony' with 'Acer'. Can't wait to see their POC.

Game consoles are far more closed than the iPhone which has options like HTML5 apps and a much more lenient policy regarding 3rd party apps than console makers. They dominate the gaming market compared to gaming PCs overwhelmingly and are far more profitable. Companies develop for consoles because they can actually make money making games for them, partly because they are far harder to pirate. Apple has offered this same advantage to anyone who wants to develop for the iOS platform and created a tremendous opportunity for many people to actually get paid for the apps they develop.

Additionally, Apple offers the development software for free and the iOS has large chunks of opensource software such as BSD, OpenGL and others. Apple's degree of control helps maintain a degree of quality and security on their products as well as nurturing its developing community. This influence over the development, app store, OS and hardware offers many advantages to developers and customers. The whole "closed platform" hand wringing nonsense is getting very old. It will all come down to the value created for the customer and the experience of using the product. This has been reflected by both Apple's excellent sales numbers and profits.

If "more open" options want to compete, they have a lot of work ahead of them but all the power to them. Competition is a good thing.

Okay, let's start with the absolutism you often manifest. Look at what you said. In the comment that you responded to I specifically said I agreed with your premise. Your response is that I said you are "wrong about all things Apple . . . wrong about everything in the whole world." That kind of overreaction seems juvenile and makes it hard to take you seriously.

I am all for debating points that are debatable, but setting up a straw man and knocking it down will not help you be taken seriously here. I say this with respect and the hope that you will consider it.

Every one of those is still vaporware tho isn't it? The only current competition is certainly proving to be pretty awful.




I hate rebates, but that is how rebates work. You pay for something upfront, then send the request for the money back. Some stores like Best Buy invoke instant rebates, but that just means they will be the ones requesting the funds from the company. You're still getting an iPod for free in the long run, so what's the issue?

That is exactly why the iPad is going to retain 100% market share. Everybody wants a device simple enough to be operated by a 4 year old. Who wants to ever be forced to think about anything? Especially computers?

What else would he say?

How does one become a bs artist for one of these soon to be rapidly failing former big PC vendors?

Does it just come naturally or do they groom this kind of bs?

I'm not seeing it. When Acer and LG come out with their models, thay will certainly take some market share away from Apple. But then Apple has 100% of the market. Competition will look to capitalize on the shortcomings of the iPad and it's iOS operating system. But the shortcomings also contribute to instant on and extremely long battery life. The more they make their model more like a PC, the shorter the battery life and longer the start up times. As well as possibly heavier devices. Just like there are Apple fanatics, there are Windows fanatics. So good for them that they will have their own device. It still won'd be an iPad. Just like Droid is not an iPhone.

Perhaps you protest too much, eh? With your little mini-rant full of petulance... have you got a point regarding the iOS?

Apple chose to be the malware/virus security gatekeeper. I appreciate it; what's your problem with that? Apple chose to get not allow Google Voice to protect it's partner AT&T from "free" phone calls (I don't like it but...), what's wrong with that?

I could keep going on, but hopefully, you get the point... Apple chose it's path and you choose to buy-in or not (and you can be a developer).

Acer endured the global market and had a banner year in 2009 with 17.9 BILLION in Sales.

Now Apple ONLY did, 15.7 BILLION in the 3rd quarter or about 40 BILLION for the year right?

Now my math sucks but I believe that's 2 times more more then Acer?

Acer and others won't exist if Apple had a bigger market share, or they would be in 2nd, 3rd or what ever place in the standing.

I'd be very happy to be the 7th, 8, 13th largest computer company, if it meant, being Apple

I'm just saying* I'd be ok with that.

Skip

So if Ballmer and his OEMs had actually come to market with their slate would Acer have been singing the same tune about proprietary systems? Not likely. The definition of open-systems would have been different. On Windows open means multiple manufacturers. On Linux it means open access to the OS APIs for OEM customization. Any way you slice it someone will say Apple is closed even though developers have been invited to the party to make apps and profit off of them.

Indeed.

And you have another option: you can legally jail-break your device.

This is a perfect solution that Apple has provided: if you want to be a tinkerer, then the first step you have to take is one that is clearly tinkering and unsupported by Apple. You are, in essence, declaring your intent to take control as well as responsibility for the results. If you want to play it safe, buy the product and just use it.

Why is this solution not tickling the fancy of both crowds?

Thompson

Right, and what OS have they created? What silicon have they designed? They are the second largest computer assembler in the world. I imagine they make a lot of money but what have they created? Even their netbooks are actually manufactured by another company.

He also predicted that the wheel would land on black.

Enterprises who want to develop apps for their own use are supported by Apple:

http://developer.apple.com/programs/iphone/enterprise/

Did you even bother googling before making your pronouncement?

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is about tablets.

What other tablets are available that compare favorably to the iPad in terms of price and performance?


You need to be more specific than that. Some apple hardware costs more than the competition, particularly some of the computers. But other offerings are fairly competitive. Again, since this topic is about tablets, what tablets are a better deal than the ipad?

From your postings, I'd have to say you're full of something too .... but it ain't Apple pie.

The Oracle lawsuit has merit, Fragdroid uses a rip-off of Java that violates the licensing agreement, and Fragdroid software, all of it, will be "impounded and destroyed."

And don't forget that Sergey Brin himself said that Chrome OS is the future of Google's OS development. At this year's Google I/O conference. Why would any software developer bother with Fragdroid after the 1-2 punch of the Oracle lawsuit and Google top brass saying that they're already working on a new OS? (Unless said developer is so philosophically challenged that he refuses to program for iOS...)

You're saying acer sells more smartphones, tablets, and mp3 players than Apple?

I'd really love to see the numbers backing that up.

Costing more to buy and costing more to own are two different things altogether .... not that I'd expect you to understand this concept. You haven't seemed to have understood anything yet.

correct. if we define the tablet market as excluding "slates" running any desktop OS, i'd expect Apple to hold about 50% of the market for the next several years once all the competition finally has mature products to offer - which is as far as anyone can see these days with tech evolving so fast.

the big difference here is that the telcos are not as important. wifi only is good enough for many. for the rest, a la cart data only plans could become widely available. we will see if Apple "unlocks" the iPad, but right now the AT&T plan is a good deal for most. and you can add VOIP since the iPad DOES have a microphone (why else is it there?).

the competing OEM's will hook up with telcos to try the same "subsidized" low up-front price with two year contract business model as smartphones. but this will hit some real market resistance. people are unhappy with always-increasing monthly bills for their phone and cable services, and all the extra fees that keep getting tacked on. so $100 up front + $40 per month ain't such a great deal for many. and the Android fragmentation issue will quickly impact these products too. do my smartphone apps work on my tablet? um, often not. plus the telco crapware and service lock-ins.

when Apple releases iPad 2 early next year, it will likely keep iPad 1 on the market for $100 less than now. just like it does with last year's iPhone models. there is also the rumored 7" iPad which also would have an even lower price point. so Apple will be reasonably competitive on price overall.

and this all assumes the competition's products are as good as iPad 2 running iOS 5 next year, which is when they will finally all be ready for sale. and what are the odds of that?

The reason mr. Acer and mr. LG are talking big these days is actually because their money people are worried that, like the iPod, the tablet train has already left the station with Apple in the driver's seat - and they ain't on it.

Wang is talking that all to proverbial sh**!
He doesn't even say if he has an answer to Apple powerful media and productivity ecosystem.
I just got the ipad 16 gig wifi +3G and it is by far one of the best tech devices I have ever owned. I bought Pages last week and it is a brilliant piece of software. I'll be getting Keynote and Numbers when I get paid this Friday. Please, Acer can kiss my a**.

Maybe, but not their profit margins.

I couldn't agree more. Very well said.

Wang is from a company that said that they would not enter the tablet market presumably because they thought the iPad would not succeed. Now Acer is planning to enter the space. Talk is cheap, but action and an actual product take more effort. Acer can say what they like, Apple has a product that customers want, Acer has pure vaporware.

Make that 15 million iPads sold this year for a $1.8 - $2 billion profit. The ramp up is to 2.5 million a month and is almost met. They've already sold 5 million iPads.

Will sell 30 million in 2011 and 50 million in 2012 for a total of at least 100 million by 2013. No other manufacturer will come close.