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A patent filing by Apple depicts an iMac that transitions between mouse/keyboard-based input and touch-based input through an adjustable stand.

The filing, which was published by the World Intellectual Property Organization, is titled "Transitioning Between Modes of Input."

According to the filing, various sensors, such as accelerometers or position sensors, would detect a change in the orientation of a computer's touch-screen, thereby triggering a change between "input modes and corresponding user interfaces." The change in input could also modify an on-screen item or window, potentially "enlarging/reducing, obscuring/unobscuring, moving, etc."

The filing differentiates between high-resolution input methods, e.g. mouse and keyboard, and low-resolution input methods, e.g. touch. Input resolution is defined in the filing as the "general level of fineness at which an input can be detected and processed."



As an example, an iMac in its traditional upright position would utilize a mouse and keyboard and switch to touch-based input when swiveled down on its stand.



Another example of the transitioning input method is briefly given using a MacBook-like product. The example tablet computer has a keyboard, trackpad, and a touch-screen display. Similar to several tablet designs already on the market, the display can swivel to lie flat against the keyboard, activating touch-based input and its corresponding UI.



The patent was filed on July 9, 2009. Paul Costa is listed as the inventor. Costa's LinkedIn profile lists his current role as Hardware Engineering Manager at Apple.
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Hard to believe that is an Apple filing what with the hands actually looking human and all...
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Hard to believe that is an Apple filing what with the hands actually looking human and all...

I guess even Apple's patent hands have to evolve at some point, too. Who knows, maybe one day we'll be drooling over the beautiful art that is an Apple patent. (Or, judging by the top right, maybe not.)

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I guess even Apple's patent hands have to evolve at some point, too. Who knows, maybe one day we'll be drooling over the beautiful art that is an Apple patent. (Or, judging by the top right, maybe not.)


that thumb is pretty awesome lol
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…thereby triggering a change between "input modes and corresponding user interfaces"…Paul Costa is listed as the inventor. Costa's LinkedIn profile lists his current role as Hardware Engineering Manager at Apple….

This is an interesting idea. I don't know why it could not be feasible software-wise with the Mac OS capable of supporting both the AppKit and UIKit GUIs. An advantage would be access to apps for the traditional Mac OS and the iOS. A disadvantage is that you are going to need a soft cloth to remove fingerprints from the display before returning from low-resolution input to high-resolution input.

No other technology firm I know of has the software ecosystemin place to pull this concept off.

Just because a patent has been filed does not mean the concept will be implemented. That would be a management decision regarding the business case for the concept.

Edit: "ecosystemin" should read as "ecosystem in"

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This is an interesting idea. I don't know why it could not be feasible software-wise with the Mac OS capable of supporting both the AppKit and UIKit GUIs. An advantage would be access to apps for the traditional Mac OS and the iOS. A disadvantage is that you are going to need a soft cloth to remove fingerprints from the display before returning from low-resolution input to high-resolution input.

No other technology firm I know of has the software ecosystemin place to pull this concept off.

Just because a patent has been filed does not mean the concept will be implemented. That would be a management decision regarding the business case for the concept.

Edit: "ecosystemin" should read as "ecosystem in"

Bert, you don't have to tell us about the spelling error, just fix it and re-submit.

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If it's a touch system them it should be able to be removed from the stand. That way if people want to they could mount it anywhere they want on any wall and do what they want with it. Or place it inside a table top etc. Ccoffee table gadget for cafes or home.
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If it's a touch system them it should be able to be removed from the stand. That way if people want to they could mount it anywhere they want on any wall and do what they want with it. Or place it inside a table top etc. Ccoffee table gadget for cafes or home.

You can already attach an iMac to a VESA compliant mount point, no reason to assume that this idea would do away with that.

It might simply be a software switch that keeps it in touch mode regardless of the screen orientation.
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Bert, you don't have to tell us about the spelling error, just fix it and re-submit.

Here are some amendments:

Software-wise, it would be much easier to implement this concept with both Mac OS X and iOS as binaries with the supporting EFI to re-boot to whichever OS you prefer. That would mean an ARM SoC would have to be included in the machine as well. The iOS would have to be able to handle the larger screen.

Also, it would be interesting as to whether some files could be shared somehow via some sort of pipe between the separate OSs in their separate partitions on a hard drive. Maybe OpenCL between the Intel CPU, and the ARM SoC?

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post #10 of 51
No thanks. I like the iMac the way it is. The trackpad makes a touchscreen unnecessary.
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Ick

Not wanted, not needed. Keep the iOS out of my Mac.
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It would be super awesome if the Mac would flip into iOS when its in horizontal mode and I can use iOS apps.

Here is why: Let's say I need a quick email or to just look up what's on TV. I just lower the computer and hit the What's On app or the mail app. From there I can do my thing real quick, look at the calendar maybe, without disturbing whatever is on the comp, having to log in, so on.

When I am ready for more serious tasks, just flip it back and I can use keyboard and mouse to compose longer email, edit videos, etc.

I think doing that could breathe new life into the desktop.
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Why not just have both modes active all the time? Why do I have to lay the monitor down to be able to touch it?

I think that it would be frustrating to be doing something and you move the screen just a bit and the mouse and keyboard don't work all of a sudden, etc.

If both modes are always active, this is the same as any touch screen PCs on the market already.
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Such and obvious step. iOS features as a sub set of the full OS X on higher end Macs.

The same mentality against this didn't want mice.
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Maybe Apple will implement a system as intuitive and efficient as the MS OneNote/Hp TouchSmart combo.

We'll See...
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Maybe Apple will implement a system as intuitive and efficient as the MS OneNote/Hp TouchSmart combo.

We'll See...

Good one lol
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Why not just have both modes active all the time? Why do I have to lay the monitor down to be able to touch it?

I think that it would be frustrating to be doing something and you move the screen just a bit and the mouse and keyboard don't work all of a sudden, etc.

If both modes are always active, this is the same as any touch screen PCs on the market already.

I doubt that would be a problem. The screen would have to be pretty horizontal for touch to kick in, it would be quite unnatural to work with keyboard and mouse if the screen is 0 to 30 degrees off horizontal. 60 to 90 is ideal for keyboard and mouse. 30 degrees in between are quite unnatural for both.

Plus see my post above, I think it would go to iOS when it is in horizontal mode, or would at least ask you if you want to do that.

None of this is confirme of course but I think it's a great idea.
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Such and obvious step. iOS features as a sub set of the full OS X on higher end Macs.

The same mentality against this didn't want mice.

Having some cross over has always seemed likely but every user imagining of this Mac with a touch display has always been awful. Touching the screen cant be the default method for input and the display cant be vertical thus requiring uncomfortably extended hands. This seems to address both of those.

Still, I dont see much consumer use without some killer apps, and even then you tend to have the space on a desktop for a much more precious mouse or trackpad and a keyboard for fast typing and shortcuts.

Between a 13 MBP and a 30 ACD you have such a huge range, and you have all the display elements that are designed for a mouse pointer not a finger, so the only thing I can see this being used for is iOS w/CocoaTouch devs who want to test their app on a Mac but with a more realistic feel before moving to an iDevice, but even that is a stretch.


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Good one lol

The reviews of the HP TouchSmart machines have been horrid. No one has yet come close to matching Apples UI efficiency and speed for the same HW.
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Maybe Apple will implement a system as intuitive and efficient as the MS OneNote/Hp TouchSmart combo.

We'll See...

OneNote intuitive? Are you sure? I uninstalled it almost right away when I saw the UI.
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Not wanted, not needed. Keep the iOS out of my Mac.

Imagination is a beautiful thing...I didn't think I could get along with any trackpad on the various ThinkPad laptops that I've owned over the past 11 years and I always used my beloved Trackpoint stick instead.

Now, I have replaced my Magic Mouse, which I loved using, with a Trackpad for use with a Desktop! And I had to buy that Trackpad separately! ...(Apple's doing something right...)

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The hand in this patent filing looks very familiar:

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A nice idea but there are just so many things wrong with it. For a start people sit with the keyboard at the right hight for typing and the screen level with their eyes, when this thing moves down it will be in the wrong place for anything making you probably have to stand up.

Also I think it completely misses the point of touch. Touch shouldn't be a replacement for a keyboard and mouse, it should just do taks better. E.g....

1. Imagine using a MacBook while sitting on the sofa. Any sort of dragging would make sense to just touch the screen rather than a trackpad.
2. In a work environment I constantly find when you working with someone on a computer one person has to do all the clicking as there's only one mouse. But as I can reach the screen it would make sense if I could click something by touching it.
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I just don't see this happening...

As good as Apple is with touch, and with the iPad but an unexpected hit, it just seems touch desktop isn't good for the mainstream. touch mobile devices make sense, but i dont know. Just me tho...
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post #24 of 51
Reading all these reactions, I'm getting pretty sure that this is not an iMac, but an iPad with a built in ultra thin stand made of this super strong metal Apple licenced lately.
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Liquid metal. They *own* the company and it is Apple who may license it out. Probably not, though. It is my opinion that they'll keep it all to themselves.

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Would be ideal for use as a retail checkout in AppleStores, etc.
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Outside of Retail POS, like Squirrel, the question remains.... why?

Edit: And for Retail, why not use an iPad? It's not like retail would bring a 1Ghz ARM to its knees...

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We're not all in primary school. Some of us have jobs to do with our Macs.

...you mean like...work? My iMac is all about fun and games dude...

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I predict the ipad with only wifi will be discontinued and eventually the macbook and the macbook pros will go ipad-esque in a few years with the lower end ipads with 3g/wifi still on the side. I also believe Apple is building OSX to be 100% fingerable.

I just got the ipad 16 gig wifi/3g and it is freaking awesome! And Pages for ipad is brilliant.
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I can see iMac used in stores for customers to browse and search content without having to have a physical keyboard, but for personal use, this is quite pointless. I definitely would never even consider one.

Now if the notebook had detachable screen that talks to the "base" station part through WiFi and you still have access to the rest of the computer, but only have light portable screen/input device portion with you (really an iPad that runs full OS X and has file system), then I could see more users wanting that (even though not me personally).

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Ick

Not wanted, not needed. Keep the iOS out of my Mac.

yeah keep the future away from my life.
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Boy, i can't wait to hold my arms a foot in the air and not be able to see what I am doing!

Actually the posts about other uses is correct. Steve said it and It's practically carved in stone: There will always be MAC Pro type Apple towers with extended keyboards so we can get our work done. Someone has to write software for the devices.

POS is the most logical use. The pizza place across the street uses a proprietary touch screen to take orders. Works great for them. An Apple version would be customizable to any industry.
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I remember being loudly denounced when I had the temerity to suggest a touch based OSX was possible, in the time when the iSlate was just a rumour. So this looks interesting.

I never did, and still don't, get why people say OSX is not optimised for touch and never could be, yet Apple make products like the MB Pro and now the stand alone trackpad. Does everyone but me buy and use a mouse with their MBP?

The trackpad is just a touch sensitive surface. If it were relocated to the screen, why do people instantly assume it would necessarily have a greatly reduced resolution or utility? Of course no one at Apple would be capable of coming up with a virtual keyboard that appears as a screen overlay when required, just couldn't possibly be done.
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No thanks. I like the iMac the way it is. The trackpad makes a touchscreen unnecessary.

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Ick

Not wanted, not needed. Keep the iOS out of my Mac.

How shortsighted.

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Why not just have both modes active all the time? Why do I have to lay the monitor down to be able to touch it?

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I think that it would be frustrating to be doing something and you move the screen just a bit and the mouse and keyboard don't work all of a sudden, etc.

What? did you read the freaking patent at all? Or are you looking for a excuse to say it won't work?

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If both modes are always active, this is the same as any touch screen PCs on the market already.

Exactly. And they are horrible. That's why Apple isn't doing it that way.

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Maybe Apple will implement a system as intuitive and efficient as the MS OneNote/Hp TouchSmart combo.

We'll See...

I know you aren't being sarcastic, but pretending so makes this sound much funnier.

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The hand in this patent filing looks very familiar:

Reminds me of the original iPhone ad with the screen glowing on the dark.

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The reviews of the HP TouchSmart machines have been horrid.

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OneNote intuitive? Are you sure? I uninstalled it almost right away when I saw the UI.

I believe DaHarder was being sarcastic.

"Intuitive" and "efficient" are characteristics not usually associated with MS.
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Still, I dont see much consumer use without some killer apps....


It would be nice if iOS was the replacement for Dashboard. Quick, easy F12 into iOS, no matter screen position. F12 out. iOS has the killer apps already, Dashboard is a waste of resources and time (my opinion of course, since I rarely use it.)
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Why not just have both modes active all the time? Why do I have to lay the monitor down to be able to touch it?

I think that it would be frustrating to be doing something and you move the screen just a bit and the mouse and keyboard don't work all of a sudden, etc.

If both modes are always active, this is the same as any touch screen PCs on the market already.

Yes and the touch screen PCs on the market already have been a smashing success too.

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It would be nice if iOS was the replacement for Dashboard. Quick, easy F12 into iOS, no matter screen position. F12 out. iOS has the killer apps already, Dashboard is a waste of resources and time (my opinion of course, since I rarely use it.)

I can see Cocoa Touch being used for Dashboard widgets on a desktop like that, but I dont see it being a 1:1 crossover from current App Store apps to Dashboard. I think there are just too many variances. For instance, if Im not confined to the iPhones screen size Id like the scientific calculator (an app that would benefit greatly from finger input over a mouse or keyboard) to be larger.SAme goes for other apps.

As for Dashboard itself, I still have plenty of uses for it as the concept is fast and efficient for quick glance information, which is why I was annoyed that it didnt get an overhaul for Snow Leopard. In fact, Id say its slightly more buggy than in Leopard with widgets losing their placement from time to time.
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post #39 of 51
As well as finger input this would be excellent if it supported a stylus in the same way a Wacom tablet does (with pressure sensitivity). It would then be perfect for Photoshop and other design work.
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This patent application is likely the source of the touch screen iMac that's been floating around for a while, but it still looks like a bad idea.
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