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Because I Can...

Note: I already have several netbooks/ultra-portables anyway, it's nice to have choices... Next Up = Samsung Galaxy Tab 7!

I hope you still find an empty (meaning gadget free) spot at your place to have a nap from time to time. I hear sleeping on a pile of netbooks, mobile phones and laptops is not very healthy for your back.
post #42 of 78
1) If I wanted a keyboard that bad for travel, which I assume measn you are doing a lot of typing, I think I would just use a MB/MBP/MBA. But thats me.

2) I wonder what the total weight and volume is with the iPad inserted.

3) This is the first device Ive ever seen with a female iPod Dock Connector. I was under the impression that Apple only licenses the male end of that connector, which is why Mophie, for example, used Micro-USB and supplied and extra cable with their battery packs.
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post #43 of 78
Hey there's no trackpad! And can I connect a mouse?
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"the product dubbed "BL-BKB76"

Must have been named by Dell's marketing department.

That must be a typo. Surely it's a iBL-BKB76.
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I don't recall a BT keyboard for the Palm OS devices (although, maybe I was just done with them by that time and missed it) but they did make a nifty little folding keyboard that you docked the device on and, although it didn't have the best feel for a keyboard (a bit flimsy), was great for inputting a lot of text. The whole keyboard folded up into a little box-like thing that was small enough to fit in a pocket, quite nice.

I like the virtual keyboards, though. Sure, you lose some screen real estate, but you don't have to carry extra stuff around, and they work quite well.

I still have mine for my Palm IIIxe. I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of similar thing crop up for the iPad.


As for the keyboard, I don't see it as trying to make the iPad a netbook (it isn't one, never will be, never can be), but mainly for those people who don't want to purchase and carry a second fully independent device to do more typing involved things (like an e-mail or a blog or an AI comment) from time to time. If you already have a laptop, then this probably isn't for you.

Question, will keyboards like this one work with other BT devices that support a BT keyboard, or did they lock it to just the iPad? (aka: iPhone, iPod touch, Android mobiles, Computers, etc...)
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But the iPad does most everything better than a laptop.

Well, except type which is why Apple would sell you a keyboard, right?
post #47 of 78
It's been said, but yah.. at this point if you need all this the iPad probably just isn't the product for you.. get a laptop.

It does look good though.
post #48 of 78
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The dichotomy posited is consumption vs. creation, otherwise, why discuss it as a point. One must consume or create, not both. My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive even in a single activity.

I also disagree that it's "common knowledge". It may be commonly said, or commonly thought, or commonly repeated, but 'knowledge' grants it a status I don't think the assertion merits. It's an entirely mistaken notion that consumption is necessarily the primary activity on an iPad. And, as I pointed out, meaningless as any sort of distinguishing characteristic of the device. So, why go about saying it, especially when most people spend considerable amounts of time on PCs consuming, and often very little creating?

dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?
post #49 of 78
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

Well, except type which is why Apple would sell you a keyboard, right?

the iPad actually types pretty well, you'd be surprised. Not as fast as a real keyboard, but quite nicely nonetheless. Not that you would know.

Apple has offered bluetooth keyboards for sale for years, long before the iPad was around. Get a grip.
post #50 of 78
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

On the first look it seems to be nice. .... Just don' look twice!
honestly now, I have bought my iPad 64GB 3G along with a Bluetooth Keyboard because well I just thought along similar lines as you do. But guess what, I never ever used the Keyboard, because the virtual one is always at hand, adapts perfectly to the tasks you need, and it saves so much space. So to conclude: on the second look this keyboard-shell thingy is about as usless as a refrigerator built into an iglou. Sorry for the manufactoring company.

Not to mention by the time you buy the 64gb iPad, then add on the keyboard accesories and all that.. your almost at the cost of a macbook anyways..
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the iPad actually types pretty well, you'd be surprised. Not as fast as a real keyboard, but quite nicely nonetheless. Not that you would know.

Apple has offered bluetooth keyboards for sale for years, long before the iPad was around. Get a grip.

I think the OP was referring to the keyboard dock,
and actualy I type extremely quickly on the iPad. it's a shame no standalone LCD Bluetooth keyboards exsist.
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dude, you're really missing the point. Nobody called it a dichotomy in the first place, so why did you call it a false dichotomy?

Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."
post #54 of 78
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Dude, you don't have to say, "this is a dichotomy," to represent something as dichotomous. Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."

Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.

The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.

Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.
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Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.

The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.

Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.

With statements like "a lot more and previously thought youve set up your argument that hell fail no matter what evidence of the iPad being used for creation he can find. How does one a lot more? What is the starting point of this previous thought? Whose previous thought is being used?

And how do you define creation over consumption? Typing is creation, and I bet I do more of that on my iPhone than I do pretty much anything else with it.

If we are going for primary uses then Id wager the primary use for PCs is for consumption, not creation.
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post #56 of 78
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Originally Posted by boeyc15 View Post

Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.

The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.

Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.

It's for whatever you use it for, just like a PC is for whatever you use it for. It's nonsense, however, to say it's for consuming, not creating. It's for both, just like every other computer, and people use it for both, just like every other computer. Emphasizing "consumption" in describing it is misleading, and, as I've said, meaningless as a comparison against other computers.

Maybe you wouldn't do some of the things you describe, but, for example, writing an email is not "consuming". Nor is managing a to do list, or editing a photo, or using a drawing program, and so on. Some of that may not be wildly creative, but it's as much as, or more than, many people do on a "full" computer, so what's the purpose of saying this about a tablet?

This entire "consumption" vs. "creation" dichotomy is a false representation both of the capabilities and uses of an iPad and the uses of a PC. It's either being repeated ad nauseam by people who either want to prejudice the image of tablets, or people who haven't really thought about the actual uses of tablets or computers. It's not, as I have stated, a meaningful distinguishing characteristic of tablets, so why is it bandied about as some important, gospel truth?
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Translated, what I said was, "This whole iPad is (mostly) for consumption thing is a bunch of BS."

And you'd be wrong, but don't let that stop you from endlessly repeating it.
post #58 of 78
Not exactly attractive, but functionally pretty cool. I'm waiting to see what all OS 4 does on the iPad, and for cameras, before I take the jump. Facetime would be awesome on an iPad. I can't imagine it getting any more futuristic than that. I also can't wait to see what the competition comes up with on this front.
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But the iPad does most everything better than a laptop.

How about writing a document on the other side of town from work that your colleague back in the office will expect in DOC or DOCX format?
post #60 of 78
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the iPad actually types pretty well, you'd be surprised. Not as fast as a real keyboard, but quite nicely nonetheless. Not that you would know.

Apple has offered bluetooth keyboards for sale for years, long before the iPad was around. Get a grip.

Duh, maybe it is time to read the title - "Third-party ipad clamshell keyboard". Get a grip!
post #61 of 78
I think there is a more important story here that is being overlooked.
If my memory serves me correct, this is the first non-Apple product I have ever seen with a 30-pin dock.

Many products have a 30-pin connector, but I don't recall seeing a 3rd party product with the actual 30-pin dock before.
I wonder if this is officially licensed from Apple?
It also appears to be for charging only.
post #62 of 78
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

I think there is a more important story here that is being overlooked.
If my memory serves me correct, this is the first non-Apple product I have ever seen with a 30-pin dock.

Many products have a 30-pin connector, but I don't recall seeing a 3rd party product with the actual 30-pin dock before.
I wonder if this is officially licensed from Apple?
It also appears to be for charging only.

At least someone else picked on that: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...6&postcount=45
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post #63 of 78
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Not to mention by the time you buy the 64gb iPad, then add on the keyboard accesories and all that.. your almost at the cost of a macbook anyways..

Exactly, but you know my guts are telling me the next product they are working on, is a portable 15" monitor to connect to the jumblemumble iPad - keyshell devices. Ahd don't forget the foldable desk to install everything properly.
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I think I would rather have one of the Apple keyboard docks instead of this.

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post #65 of 78
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Your statements implies that ipad is used a lot more for creation than was previously thought.
Prove it.

The common perception is its generally for web browsing, email, and some games. I know I sure as heck wouldn't write books, create ads, do major excel worksheet, data bases etc etc etc etc on an ipad.

Thats not to trash it, just saying thats not what it is primarily for or used for.

Hearing this from you, I can draw only one single conclusion - you sill don't own an iPad and you havn' t yet expirienced it's genuine possibilities. And btw Numbers on the iPad just rocks as does Keynote and Pages. If you like the iWorks suit on a Mac, there is no way that you would't love these applications on the iPad.
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And you'd be wrong, but don't let that stop you from endlessly repeating it.

Oh, Chopper, back to troll for a bit? Not that we missed you.
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This entire "consumption" vs. "creation" dichotomy is a false representation both of the capabilities and uses of an iPad and the uses of a PC...

ARGH! This is my point: NOBODY said it was a dichotomy! I'm actually agreeing with you on the central issue - I think the iPad does BOTH creation and consumption.

However, your original comment was about a "false dichotomy" in reference to somebody else's post. But their post never suggested a dichotomy, since they merely said the iPad does consumption "more than" creation. Hence, not implying any mutual exclusivity regarding the iPad as a consumption or creation device.

Essentially, when it all boils down to it, I was calling you out on using big words when you shouldn't have.
post #69 of 78
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It has basically been common knowledge that the iPad is more for content consumption then creation though.

You're regurgitating anti-Apple propaganda. It's well known by more than a few that we can create content just fine. Gave an excellent Keynote presentation to my graduate class that garnered an A. Created solely on the iPad.
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Essentially, when it all boils down to it, I was calling you out on using big words when you shouldn't have.

I'm using the word correctly. His post, in the language he uses, creates the (false) dichotomy of consumption vs. creation. I don't see why you think someone has to explicitly say, "there is this dichotomy..." for their language to do just that.
post #71 of 78
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ARGH! This is my point: NOBODY said it was a dichotomy! I'm actually agreeing with you on the central issue - I think the iPad does BOTH creation and consumption.

However, your original comment was about a "false dichotomy" in reference to somebody else's post. But their post never suggested a dichotomy, since they merely said the iPad does consumption "more than" creation. Hence, not implying any mutual exclusivity regarding the iPad as a consumption or creation device.

Essentially, when it all boils down to it, I was calling you out on using big words when you shouldn't have.

Meh, give it up, he doesn't realize 'more than' is not a dichotomy. could give him the dictionary link I suppose.
I know you are correct, you know you correct. Then there is the contest of parsing what 'content creation' is - like email... arrrrggghh.

Back to the topic, sort of , personally, would like iOS software in a mac air form factor(for content creation... ). Spin the screen and fold over to make touch screen only (for content consumption... ).
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The dichotomy posited is consumption vs. creation, otherwise, why discuss it as a point. One must consume or create, not both. My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive even in a single activity.

I also disagree that it's "common knowledge". It may be commonly said, or commonly thought, or commonly repeated, but 'knowledge' grants it a status I don't think the assertion merits. It's an entirely mistaken notion that consumption is necessarily the primary activity on an iPad. And, as I pointed out, meaningless as any sort of distinguishing characteristic of the device. So, why go about saying it, especially when most people spend considerable amounts of time on PCs consuming, and often very little creating?

Let me pop in here.

1. iPad, along with an iPhone was created to get apps to people. Downloading an app is, by definition, consumption. No one is creating app store apps on an iPhone (i guess you can jot down some code in notepad, but that's about it).

2. Here are official app store categories: Games - consumption, Entertainment - consumption, Utilities: Either, Social Networking - Either, Music - Consumption, Productivity - either, Lifestyle - ?, Reference - consumption, Travel - consumption, Sports - consumption, Navigation - consumption, Healthcare and fitness - consumption, News - consumption, Photography - Either, Finance - consumption, Business - Either, Education - consumption, Books - consumption, Medical - Consumption.

13/20 consumption
6/20 both consumption and creation
1/20 undefined

19/20 apps categories imply consumption, only 6 imply creation.

Aside from iPad's iWork and Painting apps there really is not much that I saw that could really prompt people to create something bigger then a shopping list of items.

3. You are wrong when you put a false dichotomy of "One must consume or create, not both." Because during social networking you are both consuming info and creating info by chatting with your friends. One activity two outcomes. There are better examples I can come up with if you want like learning or reading, but would be too long for this post.

4. From observation of people on the train ride to work the most content creation I see on iDevices is text messages, the rest is evenly split between reading, gaming and listening to music.

(I don't work in tech so I most people at work use PCs and outside of work my friends largely use their iPads/Phones for recreation as well. A few tried to create docs on iPad, including me, but after a while found it easier to just use a regular laptop).

Thanks a bunch.
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Nice, but that is pretty limited. I wonder if that is a newer change to their licensing or if its cost prohibitive for most applications.
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post #74 of 78
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Why can't apple just make a product and let people choose whether they want to buy it or not? Why does it drive so many people crazy that their products don't offer every single feature on earth? If you want a netbook, buy a netbook. Then you can be content with your USB, camera, etc. If you want what the iPad has to offer, then buy the iPad.

DaHarder - I'm sure you're perfectly able to draw a reasonable conclusion such as this, but instead chose to be an ignorant troll. Shame on you.

I find your attitude exceedingly annoying. Your use of the word "troll" is not justifiable. Shame on your.

I like to read the posts here, and I like encountering opinions of all sorts, whether they do or do not agree with mine. I think that everyone has a right to their opinion. It annoys the h@ll out of me when I encounter so many posts like yours. Why can't you tolerate people who have opinions that differ from yours?
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Let me pop in here.

1. iPad, along with an iPhone was created to get apps to people. Downloading an app is, by definition, consumption.

2. Here are official app store categories:

3. ... Because during social networking you are both consuming info and creating info by chatting with your friends. One activity two outcomes.

4. From observation of people on the train ride to work the most content creation I see on iDevices is text messages, the rest is evenly split between reading, gaming and listening to music.

Well, this post is quite a bit different from the original comment. I would point out, however,

1. People install applications on PCs, so by that criteria there is just as much consumption going on there.

2. The app category analysis is flawed since you will find "creative" apps in almost every category, or at least apps that involve both types of activity.

3. I agree completely with the part I quoted.

4. Not exactly a thorough survey nor necessarily a typical period of people's days. But, again, this sort of activity is not atypical of what many or even most people would be doing on PCs if they had them with them.

The point is that this whole, "The iPad is for consumption," thing is just so much nonsense. There are plenty of apps currently available, and more coming out every day that are for creating, not consuming, and there is nothing at all about the iPad, or tablets in general, that makes them primarily consumption devices. It's entirely up to the owner and his or her interests and inclinations, just as it is with PCs.
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Yea... Now my iPad can be a real netbook! (sans the USB ports, media card reader, web camera, full-fledged applications, et al... that is)

Wow. Top marks to you for throwing off the thread into troll-land from the very first post. *golf clap*
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iPad with third party shell required to protect its screen:


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How about writing a document on the other side of town from work that your colleague back in the office will expect in DOC or DOCX format?

Nonsense. There is no world beyond Apple. You're delusional. Apple is everything. Stop huffing.
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