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Qualcomm, which has long been rumored to supply a CDMA chipset to Apple for a Verizon-compatible iPhone, is looking to hire an "iPhone Developer Guru" for a "secret" project.

"The iPhone has no secret for you?" the job listing posted earlier this month reads. "Well, that's what you think... join us and develop the most challenging product of your life!"

Qualcomm built the first CDMA-based cellular base station in the early '90s. Today, CDMA is used by a number of carriers around the world, most notably Verizon Wireless in the U.S. Recent rumors have suggested that Apple is eyeing an early 2011 launch for a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone.

In addition to creating CDMA chips, Qualcomm also works to ensure that mobile platforms run well with the company's wireless technology. For example, it has an established Android Team at Qualcomm Innovation Center, a subsidiary of Qualcomm Incorporated, that aims to make Google's mobile operating system run better on the company's chipsets.

Ajay Dudani, staff engineer and manager at the Innovation Center, admitted earlier this year that many people do not understand Qualcomm's role in the industry. He talked about how he works to optimize Android for Qualcomm's hardware.

"At a very high level, our software teams work to get Android platform running optimally on Qualcomm chipsets in terms of power, performance and new features," he said. "We are also responsible for bringing up the Android platform on new chipsets, making sure our software ports are up to date with the latest public releases of the Android platform and helping ensure compatibility to avoid fragmentation."

Qualcomm's role in improving software performance on its hardware may shed light on why the CDMA chipset is looking to hire an iPhone software developer. Currently, under the company's list of supported OS platforms, only Windows Phone, Android and Brew Mobile Platform are listed. The Qualcom Developer Network also only offers support for those three platforms.

It's also possible, however, that Qualcomm is looking to hire for another software-based venture, such as its FLO TV mobile video platform. This year the company partnered with Mophie to release a case that brought FLO TV to the iPhone and iPod touch. But Qualcomm is also shopping for a buyer for the unprofitable FLO TV.

Qualcomm's job application does note that it is looking for a candidate that has been "exposed to application or game development on mobile for years," and seeks an employee who has experience with wide ranging skills including Objective C and Xcode, UI design, and file, network and socket programming.

Rumors of a deal between Qualcomm and Apple have existed for months, and are always connected with a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone. The iPhone currently relies on chipsets from Infineon for its 3G HSDPA network access.

Numerous reports have claimed that Apple has already built and is testing a CDMA iPhone, code-named N92, that would run on the Verizon network. IT is said that the hardware is in the engineering verification test phase, which is two steps away from full-fledged production.
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NOW I'm ready to believe Verizon iPhone rumors.

My guess is that there was some sort of deal struck for mass production, and now these guys need to optimize apple's software for their chips. I would put ETA on about early to mid 2011. Kind of exciting.
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NOW I'm ready to believe Verizon iPhone rumors.

My guess is that there was some sort of deal struck for mass production, and now these guys need to optimize apple's software for their chips. I would put ETA on about early to mid 2011. Kind of exciting.

I'm not. It's QUALCOMM, not Verizon.

QUALCOMM bulk of carrier numbers is outside the US. More importantly, they are talking about a future project [ala 18-24 months away].

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Qualcomm is the inventor of the wireless CDMA standard, used by a number of carriers around the world, most notably Verizon Wireless in the U.S. Recent rumors have suggested that Apple is eyeing an early 2011 launch for a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone.

This is speculation, by Appleinsider.
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Goodbye Android.
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Goodbye Android.

Oh! why's that? Just because of this seeking?
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Get the facts staright Qualcomm is not CDMA inventor. It owns US patent for CDMA as it got it in a sneaky way. The history of CDMA invention is from WWII.

This is similar to the situation of first flight - no it was not Wright and no it was not on dunes of Kitty Hawk. It was in Connecticut almost two years before Wright by Whitehead and it was not some 800 feet jump but real flight for miles with monoplane.


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Goodbye Android.

first: i LOVE Apple. i'm a fanboy. my family has 3 macbook pros, two iPhones, two iMacs, a MacMini, god only knows how many iPods [there are earbuds and chargers EVERYWHERE], airports, time capsules, MobileMe accounts etc. there's an Apple IIgs being used as a CLOCK in our living room.

second: posts like the one quoted above are ridiculous. Apple will never NEVER EVER take down Android. some people like Steak, others like Sushi. understand it. realize it. accept it.
understand that FOR SOME PEOPLE, the android OS is BETTER.

living in a dream world where everything everywhere is apple and everything else is garbage [or dead and gone] is narrow minded and foolish.

[can you tell i'm having a bad day?]

after locking in with ATT for a couple more years with our IP4's, i can't wait for apple to expand to CDMA... it can only boost my AAPL shares.
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Goodbye Android.

Remarkable how one guru working for Qualcomm is expected to bring down Android!
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posts like the one quoted above are ridiculous. Apple will never NEVER EVER take down Android. some people like Steak, others like Sushi. understand it. realize it. accept it.
understand that FOR SOME PEOPLE, the android OS is BETTER.

living in a dream world where everything everywhere is apple and everything else is garbage [or dead and gone] is narrow minded and foolish.

A CDMA iPhone won't destroy Android, but it will hurt it. Lots of people get a Droid because they won't move to AT&T. If the carrier isn't the huge negative to getting an iPhone, many more people will choose that instead of Android.
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..it can only boost my AAPL shares.

AND its market share..
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first: i LOVE Apple. i'm a fanboy...

Good for you. Me too.

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... Apple will never NEVER EVER take down Android. ...

Correct. Oracle's lawsuit will take down Android. Clear Java non-compliance. Android software will be "impounded and destroyed."

Depending on how much time the judge gives Google to get rid of all traces of Android, Apple should finally get their chance to take huge chunks of Android's Verizon customer base. Especially if a Verizon phone is launched in 2011. (Realistically, Apple will likely release iPhones with the various flavors of CDMA used in China first, where there are hundreds of millions of CDMA subscribers on three networks to sell into.)

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Correct. Oracle's lawsuit will take down Android. Clear Java non-compliance. Android software will be "impounded and destroyed."

This is the first I'm hearing of such a lawsuit. Could you explain what that's actually about? What precisely are they trying to sue over and what chance do they have of winning?
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This is the first I'm hearing of such a lawsuit. Could you explain what that's actually about? What precisely are they trying to sue over and what chance do they have of winning?

Android uses java language syntax, but does not abide by the terms for licensing the java platform.
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Correct. Oracle's lawsuit will take down Android.

that lawsuit is a bit off-topic, but i'll bite.
literally minutes after praising the open-source community, Oracle sues Google for using their open-source software. I'm not a lawyer in the case, so i don't know the specifics, and Google DOES have some closed-door profit centers and preferred vendor release dates, but the fact is they do NOT charge anyone to use Android.

if Oracle wins this lawsuit, who's going to use Java, MySQL, or any of their other tech?
"go ahead! it's open-source... but if you create successful software we will sue you"
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Get the facts staright Qualcomm is not CDMA inventor. It owns US patent for CDMA as it got it in a sneaky way. The history of CDMA invention is from WWII.

Actually, CDMA was not invented in/during WWII. Spread spectrum patents issued during WWII are used as the basis for CDMA.
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post #16 of 33
Firstly, Qualcomm does not just make "CDMA" chips. They also make HSPA, HSPA+, combo chips, etc. In fact one of the Windows smartphones I had that ran on AT&T had a "Qualcomm" sticker on it! I'm in the wireless business and it's not as black and white as everyone is making this issue.

It's just as likely that they're looking to sell an LTE/HSPA/GSM combo chipset to Apple for AT&T, or T-Mobile, as it is that this is anything to do with EVDO/CDMA or Verizon.
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Actually, CDMA was not invented in/during WWII. Spread spectrum patents issued during WWII are used as the basis for CDMA.
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You are confusing the Qualcomm products (CDMA-One, CDMA2000 etc) with the channel access method (CDMA)
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You are confusing the Qualcomm products (CDMA-One, CDMA2000 etc) with the channel access method (CDMA)

No and I never mentioned Qualcomm.
CDMA (Code Division Multiple Acess) is a type of Channel Access Method.
CDMA-One and CDMA2000 are different versions/iterations of CDMA developed by Qualcomm.
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i'm not as savvy to the phone chipsets as maybe i'd like to be - but i have a couple of users at work using laptops that use qualcomm gobi chips for their data service.

these radios support cdma and gsm on the same device. in fact, you can have multiple subscriptions on the same device for different carriers so you are never without connectivity.

my question to those more knowledgeable than me is - why not do the same thing in a voice handset and have one platform for the world? yes, some extra cost - but - single reference design.
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CDMA-One and CDMA2000 are different versions/iterations of CDMA developed by Qualcomm.

They aren't different versions of it, CDMA-One uses CDMA as the channel access method
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They aren't different versions of it, CDMA-One uses CDMA as the channel access method

cdmaOne was developed by Qualcomm and uses CDMA. CDMA is a broad term and was around a long time before cell phones (and cdmaOne, which is digital cell phone standard).
But whatever...
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Honestly, I think if the iphone was available for every carrier would be untouchable. I say this because I'm french and here it is available to every carrier and iphone dominates the market, Android is relegated to cheap phone, in December 2009 79% of phone, not smartphone sold with a new plan was an iphone 3gs. Android does not start because many complain that the market is in English.
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cdmaOne was developed by Qualcomm and uses CDMA. CDMA is a broad term and was around a long time before cell phones (and cdmaOne, which is digital cell phone standard).
But whatever...

All you did is say exactly what I said, but added "But whatever...", was there a point to that?
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All you did is say exactly what I said, but added "But whatever...", was there a point to that?

You seemed to want to be argumentative and I'm not interested.
I made a simple statement; "Actually, CDMA was not invented in/during WWII. Spread spectrum patents issued during WWII are used as the basis for CDMA" which you responded with irrelevant info.
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I'm not. It's QUALCOMM, not Verizon.

QUALCOMM bulk of carrier numbers is outside the US. More importantly, they are talking about a future project [ala 18-24 months away].



This is speculation, by Appleinsider.

When Verizon iPhone hits next summer you will see I was right. Just because a project is a future project does not mean that there has not been any work on it. Perhaps they just need to put finishing touches on the current version, and the new hire will work on software 2.0 for the chip.
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You seemed to want to be argumentative and I'm not interested.
I made a simple statement; "Actually, CDMA was not invented in/during WWII. Spread spectrum patents issued during WWII are used as the basis for CDMA" which you responded with irrelevant info.

They were quite relevant actually, but as you said, you aren't interested
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This is the first I'm hearing of such a lawsuit. Could you explain what that's actually about? What precisely are they trying to sue over and what chance do they have of winning?

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post #28 of 33
This is about as close to irrefutable proof of a CDMA iPhone existing or at the very least about to exist. It doesn't mean too much regards to a Verizon iPhone per say but quite honestly Apple would be foolish to go to Sprint over Verizon. True this could also mean for the Chinese market as China Telecom will eventually have more CDMA users than Verizon but coupled with all the other chatter about a Verizon deal as well as the Apple-Google war and I'm sure it chaps Apple's ass that Verizon and Google have been getting close.

Jobs is no fool, he knows iPhone is reaching saturation on AT&T and that a big reason for the success of Android has been no Verizon iPhone. You know he wants to show/prove that once a VZW iPhone is available Android use will drop.

Also China Telecom's 4G network won't be ready for sometime where as Verizon will be deploying theres is deploying theres shortly. There's a good chance the 4G iPhone will be cross compatible with both AT&T and Verizon as a single unit by using Qualcomm's MDM9600 chipset. Although there could be an issue supporting AT&T 2-2.5G use using the MDM9600 which given the "There's a Map for that" issue could be mean there will be two different handsets.

Time will tell, but this is definitely good news for VZW folks who want an iPhone
post #29 of 33
There already is a CDMA iPhone -- the normal iPhone runs W-CDMA, which as you may realize is a Qualcomm invention. Verizon runs CDMA2000, also a Qualcomm invention. EVDO/HSPA is a higher level technology, but ultimately all of these technologies refer to the original Qualcomm patent.
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Get the facts staright Qualcomm is not CDMA inventor. It owns US patent for CDMA as it got it in a sneaky way. The history of CDMA invention is from WWII.

Fast frequency hopping was invented by some Germans before WWII to be used in torpedo guidance. The design was brought to USA in an unusual way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamar). CDMA uses frequency hopping, but that patent was expired by the time Qualcomm filed. CDMA, and particularly the Qualcomm patents, do much more than just fast frequency hopping.
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Check out
The complete story behind Oracle vs Google

That one is a pretty miserable analysis of the situation, IMO. The idea that Google could pay higher damages than Microsoft was awarded is a joke.

Groklaw has a better write-up here:http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100813112425821
post #32 of 33
I would think that if this position was related to working on a CDMA iPhone, the job description would include more job requirements for device driver and system type skills. This position sounds more like the department is creating or maintaining an iPhone app. Qualcomm does do a lot more than just CDMA & Snapdragon processors.
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Originally Posted by maciekskontakt View Post

Get the facts staright Qualcomm is not CDMA inventor. It owns US patent for CDMA as it got it in a sneaky way. The history of CDMA invention is from WWII.

This is similar to the situation of first flight - no it was not Wright and no it was not on dunes of Kitty Hawk. It was in Connecticut almost two years before Wright by Whitehead and it was not some 800 feet jump but real flight for miles with monoplane.


Stop lying yourself at last!

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REGARDLESS THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN. They would be the one to MANUFACTURE if this was ever CREATED. Yes, you are correct. It was invented in ww2.
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