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After struggling to meet consumer demand for the iPad since it launched in April, estimated shipping times for new online orders have improved to within 24 hours, suggesting any production problems have been resolved.

New orders for the Wi-Fi-only and 3G-capable iPad, in all available storage capacities, now ship within 24 hours when purchased from Apple's official online store.

For months, customers had to wait an estimated 7 to 10 days for their order to ship. A few weeks ago, iPad shipping times quietly improved to between 3 and 5 days.

The estimated 24 hour shipping schedule would suggest that Apple has managed to catch up with consumer demand for the iPad, which has been a multi-million seller in its first few months on the market. Apple struggled to meet demand, as various component suppliers could not get orders to the company fast enough.

In its first three months of availability, the iPad sold 3.27 million units. Officials with Apple admitted that they were caught off guard by the high demand for the product.



Strong initial demand for the iPad even forced Apple to delay the international launch of its touchscreen tablet by a month. Instead, the device launched in a number of overseas countries at the end of May.
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This would seem to be just the opposite of what would be expected by those guessing a refresh on the current iPad (a 2nd generation) although I guess a smaller form factor could still be introduced. I don't see the price going down much for it. I also don't see me having a need (or want) for one.


Now I might just get in line next spring for one with 3G - or a FaceTime capable model (leveraging both WiFi and 3G). I was not patient enough to wait till the 3G's came out - snapped up my 64G WiFi the first day and even get to use it to test with when I can tear it away from my family - my wife figured we would get by with just the one. Boy did she miss that mark, need more like 3. Should make it easier to get the next one though.
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This would seem to be just the opposite of what would be expected by those guessing a refresh on the current iPad (a 2nd generation) although I guess a smaller form factor could still be introduced. I don't see the price going down much for it. I also don't see me having a need (or want) for one.


Now I might just get in line for one with 3G - or next spring a FaceTime version using WiFi and 3G.

Thats what I was thinking.

My usage needs have changed over the past couple months that a dedicated reader would be a useful tool. The Pages update to export to ePub is also nice. However, I will be wait until the 2nd generation 9.7 iPad at this point.
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After struggling to meet consumer demand for the iPad since it launched in April, estimated shipping times for new online orders have improved to within 24 hours, suggesting any production problems have been resolved.

...or that demand has dried up.

It does seem that the possibility has to be accounted for. Do we have any updated sales numbers? Or even estimates from those store-watching analysts?

I suspect it is a combination of both views. Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?) and it is to be expected that production capacity would be expanded as needed over time. Anyway, I thought I would hit this before a troll can make it into an "issue."
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...or that demand has dried up.

It does seem that the possibility has to be accounted for. Do we have any updated sales numbers? Or even estimates from those store-watching analysts?

I suspect it is a combination of both views. Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?) and it is to be expected that production capacity would be expanded as needed over time. Anyway, I thought I would hit this before a troll can make it into an "issue."

It's possible. People might be waiting and seeing until some of the Android decides come out. But personally I don't think so. Most people I know who own one now want a second one.
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This would seem to be just the opposite of what would be expected by those guessing a refresh on the current iPad (a 2nd generation) although I guess a smaller form factor could still be introduced. I don't see the price going down much for it. I also don't see me having a need (or want) for one. ...

Yeah, as much as I would love to see a smaller iPad, I don't see how it's in the works if they aren't testing it yet, and they are still trying to ramp up production on the first model.
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... - my wife figured we would get by with just the one. Boy did she miss that mark, need more like 3. Should make it easier to get the next one though.

If they don't get out some decent software for the thing soon you can have mine.

I bought it because I wanted to be productive "on the go" sort of speak. iPad is a fantastic slouchy-type device for using around the house, but it ain't no mobile computer (unless you are talking the mobility needed to get from the living room to the kitchen).
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Yeah, as much as I would love to see a smaller iPad, I don't see how it's in the works if they aren't testing it yet, and they are still trying to ramp up production on the first model.
If they don't get out some decent software for the thing soon you can have mine.

I bought it because I wanted to be productive "on the go" sort of speak. iPad is a fantastic slouchy-type device for using around the house, but it ain't no mobile computer (unless you are talking the mobility needed to get from the living room to the kitchen).

You know, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I'm a college student. I have a MacBook Pro, but I also have an iPad. I use the iPad in class all the time. Between iWork for iPad (which I use to take notes with in my social science classes) and Penultimate (which I use in conjunction with a Pogo Sketch pen for my math and science classes), I find the iPad to be a very productive tool. Throw in a PDF reader (whether it be GoodReader or iBooks or ReaddleDocs) and all of a sudden the iPad is the perfect on the go device. Now granted, if I need to write a 10 page paper, I'm probably not going to do it on my iPad. But, it's a great device to take to the library to do some research with.
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Yeah, as much as I would love to see a smaller iPad, I don't see how it's in the works if they aren't testing it yet, and they are still trying to ramp up production on the first model.
If they don't get out some decent software for the thing soon you can have mine.

I bought it because I wanted to be productive "on the go" sort of speak. iPad is a fantastic slouchy-type device for using around the house, but it ain't no mobile computer (unless you are talking the mobility needed to get from the living room to the kitchen).

It was made very clear that this was a media consumption device with the facility for basic/light content creation.

It does what it said it would do - web, email, music, books, games.

If you want to be productive on the go, get a macbook.

And yes, I know some people use this to create content, and for productivity, but that's a good thing.

Seriously, if you need to work with a full file system, full os and keyboard, get a laptop.

It still amuses me that people criticise this product for not being something it was never marketed as being.
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...or that demand has dried up.

It does seem that the possibility has to be accounted for. Do we have any updated sales numbers? Or even estimates from those store-watching analysts?

I suspect it is a combination of both views. Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?) and it is to be expected that production capacity would be expanded as needed over time. Anyway, I thought I would hit this before a troll can make it into an "issue."

Apple really can't win, can they? Not enough - apple have messed up. Ramp up manufacture to meet demand - obviously no one wants one. It's still 7 days here in the uk, and my local reseller was sold out with a three week delay when I went to get another one this morning. Guy behind counter said they were selling out as soon as they could get them in.
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...or that demand has dried up.
It does seem that the possibility has to be accounted for. Do we have any updated sales numbers? Or even estimates from those store-watching analysts?
I suspect it is a combination of both views. Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?) and it is to be expected that production capacity would be expanded as needed over time. Anyway, I thought I would hit this before a troll can make it into an "issue."

The international rollouts have NOT been completeted. We still can't buy them in Scandinavia (I see lots of Norwegians have them on cafes or trains, but they've bought them abroad). I tried when in France in June but it was a ten days wait then. Someone at the Apple store in London told a friend of mine they would start selling them in Norway in September. So still haven't got mine (would very much prefer a 7" one though)...
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Apple really can't win, can they? Not enough - apple have messed up. Ramp up manufacture to meet demand - obviously no one wants one. It's still 7 days here in the uk, and my local reseller was sold out with a three week delay when I went to get another one this morning. Guy behind counter said they were selling out as soon as they could get them in.

Music to my ears (The selling out fast bit I mean).
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This would seem to be just the opposite of what would be expected by those guessing a refresh on the current iPad (a 2nd generation)

Really meeting current production demand means nothing with respect to an upgraded iPad model. Especially if you believe that upgraded model will address the RAM issue to support iOS 4.x. In my case the only reason i see for an interim upgrade is the need for more RAM. Not only is it needed for the OS but an upgrade will enable far more functional apps.
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although I guess a smaller form factor could still be introduced. I don't see the price going down much for it. I also don't see me having a need (or want) for one.

Your specific needs are not important here. The question is will such a device generate significant demand in the marketplace? I'm suggesting it will given the right feature set, especially an HD or wider screen.
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Now I might just get in line next spring for one with 3G - or a FaceTime capable model (leveraging both WiFi and 3G). I was not patient enough to wait till the 3G's came out - snapped up my 64G WiFi the first day and even get to use it to test with when I can tear it away from my family

I've been forcing myself to hold off buying but honestly it hasn't been easy. The problem for me is that lack of RAM which I see as a huge issue once the multitasking IOS 4 features come to iPad. The other issue is with apps that are extremely limited due to the marginal amount of RAM. It is interesting the comment earlier in the thread about productivity apps. While iPad does not appear to be as bad as implied, more RAM would open up the device to a whole bunch of new possibilities. IPhone 4 pretty much proves the point here.
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- my wife figured we would get by with just the one. Boy did she miss that mark, need more like 3. Should make it easier to get the next one though.

I'm glad the family likes the device. Holding off on another is a very good idea. I suspect that the next one will be highly optimized for iOS 4.x. Possibly with an SMP computational unit.

What truely amazes me is just how good iPad is for a rev one device from Apple. There have been only a few hiccups with the OS and the hardware is proving to be very good. The only hardware problem that really requires comment is the limited operating range temperature wise. I suspect that has a lot to do with the battery. Everyone at Apple should be pleased with themselves. Hopefully they are hard at work on the next rev.


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Is this any sign that supply difficulties are being solved (wasn't the problem with the iPad rumored to be the display, same with the iP4). White iP4, here I come

The iPad was reported to be a a lack of displays to meet demand. The white iPhone 4 was issue in producing the front and back glass with the appropriate white balance.
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Yeah, as much as I would love to see a smaller iPad, I don't see how it's in the works if they aren't testing it yet, and they are still trying to ramp up production on the first model.

Ramping production has nothing to do with revving the current model or introducing a smaller unit. Besides leaked info already implies that a revved iPad IS IN TESTING. Info on a smaller pad is admittedly thin, but demand is there.
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If they don't get out some decent software for the thing soon you can have mine.

I'm not sure what you mean here, much of the software is pretty decent. For advanced productivity needs you would need an iPad with a lot more RAM. So you are limited with the current model but that doesn't mean good apps don't exist now.
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I bought it because I wanted to be productive "on the go" sort of speak. iPad is a fantastic slouchy-type device for using around the house, but it ain't no mobile computer (unless you are talking the mobility needed to get from the living room to the kitchen).

This last bit is just plain garbage. IPad is a mobile computer with a focus on apps suitable for a low power tablet. Some of those apps are very useful productivity tools. Beyound that it is wishful thinking to believe every desktop app will transfer to the device well. To that end you either need an iPad with more RAM or a laptop.




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Really meeting current production demand means nothing with respect to an upgraded iPad model. Especially if you believe that upgraded model will address the RAM issue to support iOS 4.x. In my case the only reason i see for an interim upgrade is the need for more RAM. Not only is it needed for the OS but an upgrade will enable far more functional apps.

Your specific needs are not important here. The question is will such a device generate significant demand in the marketplace? I'm suggesting it will given the right feature set, especially an HD or wider screen.

I've been forcing myself to hold off buying but honestly it hasn't been easy. The problem for me is that lack of RAM which I see as a huge issue once the multitasking IOS 4 features come to iPad. The other issue is with apps that are extremely limited due to the marginal amount of RAM. It is interesting the comment earlier in the thread about productivity apps. While iPad does not appear to be as bad as implied, more RAM would open up the device to a whole bunch of new possibilities. IPhone 4 pretty much proves the point here.


I'm glad the family likes the device. Holding off on another is a very good idea. I suspect that the next one will be highly optimized for iOS 4.x. Possibly with an SMP computational unit.

What truely amazes me is just how good iPad is for a rev one device from Apple. There have been only a few hiccups with the OS and the hardware is proving to be very good. The only hardware problem that really requires comment is the limited operating range temperature wise. I suspect that has a lot to do with the battery. Everyone at Apple should be pleased with themselves. Hopefully they are hard at work on the next rev.


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Eh? Lack of ram for multitasking?

Shall I point you in the direction of the iPhone 3GS? A device with an inferior CPU and similar ram? Multitasks just fine.

I don't think apple is holding off 4.0 for iPad because of lack of hardware - it's just that they are cooking up something a bit special for the iPad version - I'm picking Safari is in for some big changes. And folders will probably look quite different also.
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Is this any sign that supply difficulties are being solved (wasn't the problem with the iPad rumored to be the display, same with the iP4). White iP4, here I come

The issues with iPhone 4 White are entirely different than iPads. More so the indications are that production problems on iPad involved more than the screen. Plus all of the iPad problems revolved around not having the capacity to meet initial demand. IPhone 4 White seems to have unresolved quality issues.

In a way the iPad problem is a good thing (to a limited extent). The iPhone 4 White is a very embarrasing problem to have and indicates a quality issue caught way to late.

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Eh? Lack of ram for multitasking?

Shall I point you in the direction of the iPhone 3GS? A device with an inferior CPU and similar ram? Multitasks just fine.

I don't think apple is holding off 4.0 for iPad because of lack of hardware - it's just that they are cooking up something a bit special for the iPad version - I'm picking Safari is in for some big changes. And folders will probably look quite different also.

That may be true but there these are not the same devices. The iPad needs more ram than the iPhone 3GS because of the vast differences in the number of pixels its pushing. Add to that the possibility of more complex apps because of the larger screen real estate, I dont think its unlikely that the current iPad will not get multitasking with v4.0. In fact, that might be one reason why we havent even seen a single iOS 4.0 for iPad IPSW get released to developers.
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Well jail broken ipads can handle multitasking just fine - so I'm pretty sure if independent developers can do it easily enough, then apple isn't going to have any problem whatsoever enabling it, and enabling it well!
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It's possible. People might be waiting and seeing until some of the Android decides come out. But personally I don't think so. Most people I know who own one now want a second one.

I agree. Anecdotally, I have heard people are still buying. I suspect this is true, but, still, I don't have any numbers to back it up. and I haven't even heard any serious attempts at estimating sales lately...


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Apple really can't win, can they? Not enough - apple have messed up. Ramp up manufacture to meet demand - obviously no one wants one. It's still 7 days here in the uk, and my local reseller was sold out with a three week delay when I went to get another one this morning. Guy behind counter said they were selling out as soon as they could get them in.

I didn't mean to be slamming Apple. Clearly, the iPad introduction and rollout has to be one of the most interesting and successful stories in consumer electronics in years. I don't have one yet (maybe next rev) but I want one!
Still, when availability increases, there are clearly two possibilities. The article mentioned increased production as the only reason and it seems fair to at least consider reduced demand (even if only to dismiss it).
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Well jail broken ipads can handle multitasking just fine - so I'm pretty sure if independent developers can do it easily enough, then apple isn't going to have any problem whatsoever enabling it, and enabling it well!

And jailbreakers said that the original iPhone could multitask just fine and yet any reasonable user would find the results on the performance and battery life to be less than fine. Its comment like that that let us that tell us you have not considered the resource limitations of the iPad or understand the difference between technically possible and feasibility.
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Eh? Lack of ram for multitasking?

Yes exactly more RAM. If you don't believe me talk to some local iOS programmers. The fact is iPad has less RAM available to apps than the iPhone 3GS. Much of that RAM is likely going to the frame buffer for video.

Even at that the 3GS isn't exactly a iOS 4 power house of multitasking performance. Rather it is the minimal platform that delivers the performance Apple wants.
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Shall I point you in the direction of the iPhone 3GS? A device with an inferior CPU and similar ram? Multitasks just fine.

Yeah OK. Since there is a wide range of what "just fine" means i will give you that. On the other hand iPad is starting out with a significant memory disadvantage to 3GS's crappy multitasking. Crappy may be an overstatement but it isn't an iPhone 4.
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I don't think apple is holding off 4.0 for iPad because of lack of hardware - it's just that they are cooking up something a bit special for the iPad version

Actually i agree with you here. At least in the sense that a larger screen permits a different user interface and that the more powerful processor can deliver more functionality.
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- I'm picking Safari is in for some big changes. And folders will probably look quite different also.

Actually I hate the direction Safari is going in!

As to other features that is really a big unknown. However some of the multitasking design decisions made for the iPhones don't really make sense on a larger screened iPad. There is this need to run more than one app at a time and not have to worry about tricky OS multitasking.

Beyound that there are a lot of features needed with respect to iOS. For example:

Printing support.
Better directory support / shared file area.
OpenCL
Of course fuller support of GCD.
Better support of USB.
Scripting support (Ruby or Python)
Better mapping support.
Background support for clocks.
For that matter an Applefied CRON like facility.
Greater support for app access to SD cards.

A lot of items so a few comments are in order.

First about printing. This is often requested and for good reason. However there is no free lunch thus adding orinting to the frameworks and OS will result in bloat. Maybe not wildly so but any RAM on a limited device is RAM that the App could use.

I would expect that bringing OpenCL to iOS would result in even more RAM being used though the trade off is performance.

The other items might not be big RAM users but they do result in some bloat. Some features affect the RAM available to all apps (like printing) while others only have a very modest if any impact on RAM. In general though more features means more bloat. Since iOS 4.x for iPad will have more features there will be more RAM used by the OS. Thus the inescapable conclusion that iPad needs more RAM and the sooner the better.

You can argue all you want about the 3GS or other iOS multitasking platforms but the arguement is not convincing. First look at iPhone 4 which has a similar frame buffer size, it went to 512MB of RAM. Then look at the app make up for iPad and realize it is a slightly different market. Finally consider how apps like Safari and others crash often due to the lack of RAM.

Tie all of these together and i think you will come to the same conclusion i do, iPad needs more RAM. It wouldn't hurt now but is even more important with the arrival of iOS 4.x.


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...or that demand has dried up.

It does seem that the possibility has to be accounted for. Do we have any updated sales numbers? Or even estimates from those store-watching analysts?

I suspect it is a combination of both views. Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?) and it is to be expected that production capacity would be expanded as needed over time. Anyway, I thought I would hit this before a troll can make it into an "issue."

I have a hypothesis regarding how to track demand and sales. From the first week of its availability, 3 apps have been among the top 10 to 12 apps despite considerable week to week variation among the top 10 apps. These apps are: Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. My hypothesis is that these are among the first 10 apps purchased after an iPad is bought. So the presence of these 3 apps is a surrogate for actual tracking of new iPad sales. If my hypothesis is correct, then when demand dries up, these apps will no longer be in the top 10, because fewer new iPads are being purchased. The current top 10 still has these 3 apps, so I doubt that demand has dried up.
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I have a hypothesis regarding how to track demand and sales. From the first week of its availability, 3 apps have been among the top 10 to 12 apps despite considerable week to week variation among the top 10 apps. These apps are: Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. My hypothesis is that these are among the first 10 apps purchased after an iPad is bought. So the presence of these 3 apps is a surrogate for actual tracking of new iPad sales. If my hypothesis is correct, then when demand dries up, these apps will no longer be in the top 10, because fewer new iPads are being purchased. The current top 10 still has these 3 apps, so I doubt that demand has dried up.

Good call.
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Really; should i be impressed?

Listen to this i can choose from a number of multitasking kernels for Microchips PIC processor and get fine multitasking. Can such a platform handke a cell ohone, possibly but it won't be an iPhone class device.

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Well jail broken ipads can handle multitasking just fine - so I'm pretty sure if independent developers can do it easily enough, then apple isn't going to have any problem whatsoever enabling it,

With that you demonstrate a significany lack of knowledge of the issues being discussed. First iOS has akways multitasked, that is one of the reasons why Safari or mail starts up so fast. However we start to have problems when real significant apps are run jailbroken or not. The problem is pretty simple there is no paging or virtual memory for apps. This means apps can easily run out of memory. The features of iOS 4 strive to wirk around some of these issues but the fact remains they are attempting to deal with the lack of RAM.
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and enabling it well!

Well what does well mean. If well means running a bunch of tiny low memory impact apps then yeah a jailbroken device can do that. However that doesn't concern most people as they want to be able to run major apps with big data sets. Even Safari will bomb out if it hits a web site with a large amount of data.

In the end I just don't think you know what you are talking about or end up listening to hackers handing out misleading info. The whole point behind the quest for more RAM revolves around apps. For many there simply isn't enough RAM to implenent. For others simply working with modestly large data sets results in failures or crashes. This without any significant user muktitasking. Add a couple of background apps and your foreground app gets starved for RAM.

Consider this an app on tbe current iPad can have about 120MB of RAM to deal with. Depending on your point of view that can be a lot or to damn little. For example image editing would be a good app dimain for iPad but we have yet to see many serious image editors come to the platform. The tight limit on RAM is significant here, an issue that is again made worst with multitasking.

Don't think muktitasking (which iPad akrwady does) think viable user multitasking. Multitasking that doesn't take away from current capabilities. Plus we have the sad reality that some apps won't implement well simply due to the lack of RAM or paging.

In the end it comes back to that tiny PIC processor that can be tortured into multitasking. The problem is how serious are the "apps". Likewise the iPad always has multitasked but only single tasked for user apps. The problem is even the current iPad suffers from a lack of RAM. Be it a massive web page or a huge PDF iPads fail regularly to open user data.


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I have a hypothesis regarding how to track demand and sales. From the first week of its availability, 3 apps have been among the top 10 to 12 apps despite considerable week to week variation among the top 10 apps. These apps are: Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. My hypothesis is that these are among the first 10 apps purchased after an iPad is bought. So the presence of these 3 apps is a surrogate for actual tracking of new iPad sales. If my hypothesis is correct, then when demand dries up, these apps will no longer be in the top 10, because fewer new iPads are being purchased. The current top 10 still has these 3 apps, so I doubt that demand has dried up.

Beyound that if sales really has dried up we would see expansion into other markets.

If anything is happening it is probably due to waiting on the new iPods. That would be very short term as a month and a half after that Christmas shopping begins. Personally I'm hoping for a September bump of iPad along with the rest of the lineup.

Which brings up another item, if you are one of those Christmas shoppers i think you have a very narrow window for success. Demand could sky rocket as the various holidays start.
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Eh? Lack of ram for multitasking?

Shall I point you in the direction of the iPhone 3GS? A device with an inferior CPU and similar ram? Multitasks just fine.

As it is, Safari on iPad can't remember pages very well, switching between open web pages means reloading and rerendering the first web page when you return back to it. If I was working on a web post, I would specifically need to take care to copy my text if I needed to double check my research on another page, so I don't loose it when I switched back to my post. That's pretty clumsy in my opinion.

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I don't think apple is holding off 4.0 for iPad because of lack of hardware - it's just that they are cooking up something a bit special for the iPad version - I'm picking Safari is in for some big changes. And folders will probably look quite different also.

We had this discussion a few weeks ago, something about testing the API on the different screen form factor, the UI is similar but different in many subtle respects. A lot of the apps are presented and controlled very differently from what is on the iPhone and Touch devices too.

Improvements to Safari would be nice.

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Really; should i be impressed?

Listen to this i can choose from a number of multitasking kernels for Microchips PIC processor and get fine multitasking. Can such a platform handke a cell ohone, possibly but it won't be an iPhone class device.

Yes, a PIC can do it, it doesn't take much to make rudimentary multitasking run on a PIC, though it's somewhat limited. Also, Cocoa's graphical and object oriented programming seems to take a lot of hardware resources.

Anyways, yes, iPhones had multitasking all along, all the circuitry necessary was there, but they didn't want to expose anything like the full preemptive type to developers. Battery life is kind of touchy on smart phones, and the lower memory space of the older models didn't help.
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I have a hypothesis regarding how to track demand and sales...

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So, how many sold will Steve Jobs announce on Wednesday?

My guess is 5 million as of August 31st.
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What truely amazes me is just how good iPad is for a rev one device from Apple...

Agree.

It is ver 1.0, but not really. And it doesn't feel like ver 1.0, either. I've been a big believer in waiting for ver 3.0 before getting anything in tech-land, but strangely didn't feel like I needed to follow that when I pre-ordered the iPad. I challenged myself on that point before pre-ordering, and found it wasn't much of an issue. I had to examine why. I'm not an early adopter, and still am not.

It's a new form factor, but I guessed that Apple leveraged a ton of related experience from the iPod Touch and iPhone, and somehow they leapt ahead of ver 1.0 and even ver 2.0 hiccups (we can quibble on what the numbers and hiccups should be...)

I expect the 2nd and (more so) the 3rd generation iPads will be amazing, but I have no regrets having gotten ver 1.0. But -- let's be honest -- if I find I must have the 2nd or 3rd gen iPad, then one of my tech-challenged female relatives will get a free iPad ver 1.0 (Hi Mom! Hope you like black.)

The apps value proposition will likely prove more so as time goes on. I recall getting the 3G iPhone and loading up on apps from the freshly-launched App Store (it's not a real iPhone until you've been to the App Store and done loaded up). The apps were more than I expected, but you could sense that this was new, that app developers were going to go wild once they figured this out, and that it would be something amazing in a year's time. We had an idea that that may be so back then, but, really, we didn't have an idea. I think the iPad and its apps are at that same stage -- we know they'll be amazing in 1-3 year's time, but the reality will exceed our early expectations.
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I would say the demand has dried up. Not that my experience is hard data, but I have an iPad and four other people I know have iPads. We all bought them in the first month...I have yet to meet anyone else who has bought an iPad since...
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Hmm... The iPad is barely just reaching supply-demand balance in the 10-15 initial-launch countries, there are still at least 30-50 countries for the iPad and iPhone4 to be launched. Remember, these other markets will contribute strongly to Apple's profit, revenue and unit sales. Some more than others of course, but remember these 60 to 70 countries in aggregate are what give record total sales of Macs and iPhone 3G/S quarter after quarter.

Demand is still massive, Apple is still trying to keep up, and iPad and iPhone4 has still a lot more of the GLOBAL market to conquer, Apple still has to ramp up production even more if they can. They are doing the best they can without quality going to the dogs.
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I would say the demand has dried up. Not that my experience is hard data, but I have an iPad and four other people I know have iPads. We all bought them in the first month...I have yet to meet anyone else who has bought an iPad since...

Demand has not "dried up". It just means in the US it has reached a supply-demand balance, but remember the huge demand OUTSIDE the US which contributes largely to Apple's success.

Please, just because the US is showing 24hours doesn't mean suddenly, oh, "demand has dried up".
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After struggling to meet consumer demand for the iPad since it launched in April, estimated shipping times for new online orders have improved to within 24 hours, suggesting any production problems have been resolved.

New orders for the Wi-Fi-only and 3G-capable iPad, in all available storage capacities, now ship within 24 hours when purchased from Apple's official online store.

For months, customers had to wait an estimated 7 to 10 days for their order to ship. A few weeks ago, iPad shipping times quietly improved to between 3 and 5 days.

The estimated 24 hour shipping schedule would suggest that Apple has managed to catch up with consumer demand for the iPad, which has been a multi-million seller in its first few months on the market. Apple struggled to meet demand, as various component suppliers could not get orders to the company fast enough.

In its first three months of availability, the iPad sold 3.27 million units. Officials with Apple admitted that they were caught off guard by the high demand for the product.

Strong initial demand for the iPad even forced Apple to delay the international launch of its touchscreen tablet by a month. Instead, the device launched in a number of overseas countries at the end of May.

Apple has made strides but it is nowhere close to meeting international demand. iPad is only officially available in 10-15 countries.

This is really infuriating. I know Apple and many Apple blogs/news sites are US-oriented, but you really gotta look at the big picture, especially if you are trying to understand Apple better.

Think about the number of iPads Apple has sold so far. Now double that, that's how much they need to sell in the next month should they launch in more countries, especially countries where Mac and iPhone sales do happen at a reasonable pace.

I'm not bashing Apple here, like I said, they have made good strides, but remember they have to now stockpile at least the *total amount they have already sold*, ie. about 5 to 10 million, to fully supply iPads to at least where Macs are officially sold, particularly leading into Oct-Dec which is the best year for Apple products *around the world*. So if Apple is doing about 3 million iPads per month, and production still needs to be ramped up, we're looking at about 18 to 20 million iPads sold in total by the end of 2010.
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Apple really can't win, can they? Not enough - apple have messed up. Ramp up manufacture to meet demand - obviously no one wants one. It's still 7 days here in the uk, and my local reseller was sold out with a three week delay when I went to get another one this morning. Guy behind counter said they were selling out as soon as they could get them in.

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The international rollouts have NOT been completeted. We still can't buy them in Scandinavia (I see lots of Norwegians have them on cafes or trains, but they've bought them abroad). I tried when in France in June but it was a ten days wait then. Someone at the Apple store in London told a friend of mine they would start selling them in Norway in September. So still haven't got mine (would very much prefer a 7" one though)...

Thank you for the important international observations. If Scandinavia even doesn't have them, what to think of Asia? Only very few countries in Asia have them officially, but like everyone in places outside the official-launch countries, you see iPads quite frequently from early adopters that bought iPads from the grey market, and everybody is dying for the official launches to get quality stock and decent local prices and proper warranty coverage.

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So, how many sold will Steve Jobs announce on Wednesday?
My guess is 5 million as of August 31st.

Between 5 to 10 million is my guess. Assuming about at least 3 million per month for Oct to Dec, we're looking at 15 to 20 million sold in total for 2010.

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Well jail broken ipads can handle multitasking just fine - so I'm pretty sure if independent developers can do it easily enough, then apple isn't going to have any problem whatsoever enabling it, and enabling it well!

I reckon iOS 4 for iPad with multitasking will be quite nice. I'm sure tabbed web browsing is probably a hugely-demanded feature, maybe Apple can pull it off (yes they have to do some major rework on the caching mechanism in Safari to enable this).

I think iOS 4 is taking quite long for iPad is because they want to deliver a solid OS and hardware experience going into the 10 million units they would sell during the Oct to Dec quarter. Multitasking, tabbed browsing perhaps, all smooth and nice as per iOS 3.2 for iPad... will truly cement iPad as the killer international gadget-of-the-year for 2010.

256MB RAM is a definite limitation but that's why it's taking iOS 4 a bit longer than it should perhaps, they're optimising everything because I don't think there will be a 512MB RAM version until early next year, they have got to get iOS 4 right on the current models of iPad, of which as I mention, they need to make about 10 million more this year alone.

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Beyound that if sales really has dried up we would see expansion into other markets... If anything is happening it is probably due to waiting on the new iPods. That would be very short term as a month and a half after that Christmas shopping begins. Personally I'm hoping for a September bump of iPad along with the rest of the lineup... Which brings up another item, if you are one of those Christmas shoppers i think you have a very narrow window for success. Demand could sky rocket as the various holidays start.

Expansion into other markets is, I'm sure, definitely planned for and as I mention, Apple is stockpiling units to go big into major markets. I think they're not going to wait until sales dry up in current launch countries, they need to haul ass to cover a lot more of the global market. Yes, with the holiday season approaching they need to ramp everything and work as a very well-oiled machine to deliver Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads and even iTV to global markets. It will be tough to keep things running smoothly, but Oct-Dec 2010 will be yet another all time record for Apple, and they need to take this momentum right into 2011 to give them the R&D latitude to deliver the next big things in 2012.

I really can't say much on what Steve Jobs is like personally, but professionally, he is probably the only one that can steer this ship confidently over the next few years. I wish him the best of mental, physical and spiritual health. I do hope though at the same time they are grooming everyone as much as possible to rise to the occasion, not as something stressful and unsustainable, but with grace and intelligence.
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Demand has not "dried up". It just means in the US it has reached a supply-demand balance, but remember the huge demand OUTSIDE the US which contributes largely to Apple's success.

Please, just because the US is showing 24hours doesn't mean suddenly, oh, "demand has dried up".

Sure it does. If Apple can't meet demand, it's a problem. If Apple can meet demand, that's an even bigger problem. Either way, Apple fails. How dare you challenge this logic?
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Sure it does. If Apple can't meet demand, it's a problem. If Apple can meet demand, that's an even bigger problem. Either way, Apple fails. How dare you challenge this logic?

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Really; should i be impressed?

Listen to this i can choose from a number of multitasking kernels for Microchips PIC processor and get fine multitasking. Can such a platform handke a cell ohone, possibly but it won't be an iPhone class device.


With that you demonstrate a significany lack of knowledge of the issues being discussed. First iOS has akways multitasked, that is one of the reasons why Safari or mail starts up so fast. However we start to have problems when real significant apps are run jailbroken or not. The problem is pretty simple there is no paging or virtual memory for apps. This means apps can easily run out of memory. The features of iOS 4 strive to wirk around some of these issues but the fact remains they are attempting to deal with the lack of RAM.

Well what does well mean. If well means running a bunch of tiny low memory impact apps then yeah a jailbroken device can do that. However that doesn't concern most people as they want to be able to run major apps with big data sets. Even Safari will bomb out if it hits a web site with a large amount of data.

In the end I just don't think you know what you are talking about or end up listening to hackers handing out misleading info. The whole point behind the quest for more RAM revolves around apps. For many there simply isn't enough RAM to implenent. For others simply working with modestly large data sets results in failures or crashes. This without any significant user muktitasking. Add a couple of background apps and your foreground app gets starved for RAM.

Consider this an app on tbe current iPad can have about 120MB of RAM to deal with. Depending on your point of view that can be a lot or to damn little. For example image editing would be a good app dimain for iPad but we have yet to see many serious image editors come to the platform. The tight limit on RAM is significant here, an issue that is again made worst with multitasking.

Don't think muktitasking (which iPad akrwady does) think viable user multitasking. Multitasking that doesn't take away from current capabilities. Plus we have the sad reality that some apps won't implement well simply due to the lack of RAM or paging.

In the end it comes back to that tiny PIC processor that can be tortured into multitasking. The problem is how serious are the "apps". Likewise the iPad always has multitasked but only single tasked for user apps. The problem is even the current iPad suffers from a lack of RAM. Be it a massive web page or a huge PDF iPads fail regularly to open user data.


Dave

What are you talking about??? if you think apple isn't going to enable multitasking on the
ipad, then you seriously are out of touch with reality.

Anyways, I guess we'll see in the next couple of months whether your amazingly well informed opinion, that flys in the face of everything apple has so far said about iOS 4 for iPad, is correct or not.
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I would love to scour the archives of this site for the usual names denigrating the ipad. Those same people who said it would crash and burn, had no place in the market and would struggle to sell are now those same people complaining about the perceived lack of functionality based on their interpretation of what the product should be.

These people never learn, and as we pass five MILLION units sold before the international rollout is even half way done, these trolls instead criticise people for daring to like this 'flawed' product. Apparently the millions of us who own one are simply apple fan bois too stupid to realise their experience is 'flawed'.

So many people have bought this and loved it. If people buy a product and it isn't fit for purpose, they return it. They don't blindly continue to use it and waste time complaining. That's not what any dissatisfied customer does.

And yet there are people on this site who don't own one, don't understand it's purpose and not only criticise the product, but the millions of those who have bought it and dare to like it.

Crazy.
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Sales could hardly be expected to keep up the torrid pace of the first few months (and the international rollouts have been completed, no?)

Not yet, there are still countries where the iPhone is available (3GS) but the iPad is not.
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