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Palm on Tuesday introduced the beta software development kit of the next version of its mobile operating system, webOS 2.0, bringing new features like an expanded universal search that developers can tap into, and new HTML5 capabilities and enhancements.

One major new feature in webOS 2.0 is "Stacks," which Palm has dubbed the "next-generation of multitasking." Expanding the cards concept from the first version of webOS, found on the Palm Pre, the new feature will group related cards in stacks, reducing clutter.

"webOS 2.0 automatically stacks cards for you when it makes sense, and you can also drag and drop cards to manage stacks for yourself," the company said.

webOS 2.0 is Palm's response to Apple's iOS 4 currently available for the iPhone and iPod touch, as well as Google's Android 2.2. It's also the first major update to the webOS platform since HP acquired Palm for $1.2 billion earlier this year.

In addition to competing with Apple's iPhone in the smartphone market, webOS 2.0 is expected to appear on an HP-built iPad competitor in the near future. Officials at HP have indicated their interest in using the webOS platform to build its own touchscreen tablet.

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The Universal Search in webOS has been renamed to "Just Type" for version 2.0. The expanded functionality allows developers to enable users to search within an application. Programmers can also define their own "Quick Actions," allowing users to complete tasks like updating their social status or setting reminders quickly.

Other features highlighted by Palm include:

HTML5 features and enhancements: enhanced canvas support, support for Web storage, geolocation features and application caching.
Exhibition: An application that launches when a phone is docked with the Palm Touchstone charging dock. Developers can add slide shows, news content, social network updates and more.
Contacts, calendar and messaging: Developers now have access to Palm Synergy, which allows them to access data such as contacts, calendar and messaging.
JavaScript Services: Developers can now create webOS apps and services in JavaScript using the Node.js runtime environment built in to webOS 2.0.
PDK Plug-ins: Developers can now mix Web technologies and C/C++ components in a single app, allowing applications with logic easily ported from other platforms.
Palm has teased that its reveal on Wednesday is not "all there is to webOS 2.0," with more information to come. The company also reaffirmed that webOS 2.0 will be released later this year.
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... One major new feature in webOS 2.0 is "Stacks," which Palm has dubbed the "next-generation of multitasking." Expanding the cards concept from the first version of webOS, found on the Palm Pre, the new feature will group related cards in stacks, reducing clutter....

This seems like an awful UI idea for a phone. It *might* be useful on the tablet though so I suppose that's what they will focus on, but it seems like extra work for the end user to me.
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I'm ready for my HP tablet running Web OS...
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This seems like an awful UI idea for a phone. It *might* be useful on the tablet though so I suppose that's what they will focus on, but it seems like extra work for the end user to me.


It certainly doesn't sound like anything that the Apple target customer would want.

Indeed, it sounds like almost the opposite of the Apple "App" approach. Palm's approach seems to group stuff based upon the object of your desire - if you have a document with a separate graphic embedded int it, the two objects will be stacked. Apple seems to group stuff based upon the app that they recon should be assign to the object.

Very different approaches. Palm's approach is very Microsoft-like.
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Some interesting ideas. I would think it would give the Android folks a new place to get ideas from since they don't mind things being a bit disjointed. But really, all in all a nice dog and pony show for Beta-ware.

Also find the timing very interesting as Palm has always tried to one-up Apple. I don't think anything revealed here will steal the thunder from the Apple showcase tomorrow. I suspect Apple has a few tricks up it's sleeve. If the damn parts and case suppliers would keep their mouths shut it could even be an exciting event.
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If the damn parts and case suppliers would keep their mouths shut it could even be an exciting event.


The parts and case suppliers could scream secrets like banshees and you would never know. Not unless AI reports it.

If you don't like it, you should be blaming Apple Insider and their ilk in the media.

But I usually like product news better than I like rich megacorporations having unstated understandings with complicit media, so the current situation seems to me to be the lesser of the evils.

The guys who work at Chinese plastics factories are not the villains here.
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I'm ready for my HP tablet running Web OS...

I'm kind of interested to see that as well. I've not played much with Web OS, but what I have seen I've quite liked, and as an Apple fan I would hope that some good quality competition will spur them on.
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Cool concept, gotta see if the app support materializes before I consider the thing, How could I live without my 192 currently installed applications? Any time i think another phone OS looks cool, I think of my apps and decide it isn't for me.
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If i was going to commit sin this would be the one i'd go for.

Of all the competitors to iOS, WebOS appears to stick to the principle of form follows function.

Looking forward to the tablet.
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I'm kind of interested to see that as well. I've not played much with Web OS, but what I have seen I've quite liked, and as an Apple fan I would hope that some good quality competition will spur them on.

My kid won a free Pre Plus from a Palm promo booth at a festival. He used to have an iPhone. In his opinion WebOS blows away his old iPhone.

He does ultra-cool stuff with it. I'm interested in a WebOS tablet as well. It seems like it would be even better on a tablet than on a phone.
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Cool concept, gotta see if the app support materializes before I consider the thing, How could I live without my 192 currently installed applications? Any time i think another phone OS looks cool, I think of my apps and decide it isn't for me.


Back in the day, that's why lots of people didn't buy Macs.
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wow, i've gotta compliment everyone in this forum for being mature about the competitions offering. There are no mindless posts about how anything done by anyone other than apple is garbage. Good competition can only force Apple to provide more improvements to iOS.
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I’m glad to see development of WebOS moving along. I like some of what they are doing but I don’t think that their multitasking is a great long-term solution. I do love their system notification design and really hope that Apple can get even halfway to matching it.
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I'm kind of interested to see that as well. I've not played much with Web OS, but what I have seen I've quite liked, and as an Apple fan I would hope that some good quality competition will spur them on.

They have a few kinks to work out, but overall web OS is pretty good. If the iPhone didn't exist, I'd definitely own a Pre. I'm counting the days until I can get their Tablet in my hands.

In my opinion, iOS and web OS are where it's at - nothing else out there excites me right now.
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I'm ready for my HP tablet running Web OS...

I am sure it will be as great as -- and do as well as -- the Pre!
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Back in the day, that's why lots of people didn't buy Macs.

And, forward to today, that's precisely why Apple is where it is.
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I am sure it will be as great as -- and do as well as -- the Pre!

I can't vouch for others, but they have at least one customer right here.
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And, forward to today, that's precisely why Apple is where it is.

Because there was so little software available for the Mac?

Naw. I think that Apple is where it is today because the iPod was followed by the iPhone, and both were huge hits. They never did much as a computer company.
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Im glad to see development of WebOS moving along. I like some of what they are doing but I dont think that their multitasking is a great long-term solution. I do love their system notification design and really hope that Apple can get even halfway to matching it.

YES!

I personally think that the iPhone's single greatest weakness is its notifications system, since it really hasn't progressed beyond WIndows-style dialogue boxes.

Happily, Apple has plenty of good models. webOS and Android both have solid notification systems. I really hope Apple delivers for iOS 5, and then I think they will easily have the most compelling product on the market
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Naw. I think that Apple is where it is today because the iPod was followed by the iPhone, and both were huge hits. They never did much as a computer company.

Ridiculous.....
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I personally think that the iPhone's single greatest weakness is its notifications system, since it really hasn't progressed beyond WIndows-style dialogue boxes.

Happily, Apple has plenty of good models. webOS and Android both have solid notification systems. I really hope Apple delivers for iOS 5, and then I think they will easily have the most compelling product on the market

A few months ago Apple apparently hired the guy who was responsible for the WebOS notification system. Man do I hope that is true and that he is working on that exact thing for Apple.

I felt the iOS notification system was outdated when the first iPhone came out, but then with the app store and Push Notifications its so ridiculously anemic compared to the rest of the OS. Its not a deal breaker, but damn does it suck.
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I'm kind of interested to see that as well. I've not played much with Web OS, but what I have seen I've quite liked, and as an Apple fan I would hope that some good quality competition will spur them on.

Web formats & HTML5 are going to drive apps of the future for all platforms. The day of a single platform controlled by Microsoft are over.

Microsoft's counter to HTML5 is silverlight, which they hope to get embedded in everything. Basically they are attempting same strategy they did with Windows and following in the footsteps of Adobe to try & own a piece of the web via a plugin. In short, they can't seem to do anything original.
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My kid won a free Pre Plus from a Palm promo booth at a festival. He used to have an iPhone. In his opinion WebOS blows away his old iPhone.

He does ultra-cool stuff with it. I'm interested in a WebOS tablet as well. It seems like it would be even better on a tablet than on a phone.


LOL....this is a total troll post if I've ever seen one.......kids, if you have never seen a troll post this is what it looks like......."The kid does Ultra-cool stuff with it (he uses all 4 apps!!)"........Palm sold out for a reason, unfortunately it was because it WASN"T "ultra cool".....LOL. Remember, Rubenstein and Jobs had a falling out, the Palm Pre was the lackluster prototype that Jobs did NOT want. The PRE-iPhone if you will. Go with IOS4 or Droid. Adobe bought Flash and HP bought.....well....WebOS...Yawn.
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I dunno what to think really. WebOS was amazing, but the hardware flopped a bit. Palm could not build on the scale and rapidness of HTC. If they went in HTC instead perhaps Android would not be as huge right now.

That said HP phone does not sound very exciting to me, even with these "smart" stacks. I don't imagine many new developers will be lining up aside from those that made apps for current WebOS. It sucks, but I think people are pretty locked in with the apps they own, and moving to WebOS would not be as easy as it was when it first launched.
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WebOS is such a great OS. Too bad it's stuck in a bad device. With all of HP's resources and money, maybe they'll do wonders with WebOS.

Now that's a true multitasking. Just wished Apple thought of it first.

Great looking UI.
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I don't know how 'stacks' will work, but I actually liked the way they handled multitasking in their previous version. I will never give up my iPhone, but I would like to see a large improvement to iOS 4's multitasking, which is a bit convoluted in that you can scroll and see every app you ever launched since the phone was booted. That's just silly, its like an alternative view to all the pages of apps in one long horizontal scroll. Show me just the apps that are truly running a background thread, not everything else that's suspeded.

I also agree that notifications can use an update as well...
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I really hope Apple delivers for iOS 5, and then I think they will easily have the most compelling product on the market

How many times was this statement made about iOS 4? Do we expect it to be said about iOS 7?

What was that PT Barnum quote again? Or was it Lincoln? Something about fooling some of the people all of the time?
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This looks really good to me... this is just developer stuff. The end user features have still not been released... I like webOS better than iOS. I get plenty of time with it on my iPod Touch. Apps are where it is at, but on my phone (me, personally), I only need a few location-based apps, like weather and news, and a good twitter and facebook app (the palm facebook app was total garbage until the last few releases).

For games, I do use my iPod touch, but I am using my iPod touch much less lately with an iPad and my Pre...

So, maybe Apple will need to 'wow' me tomorrow with the iPod touch announcement to get me to upgrade...
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YES!

I personally think that the iPhone's single greatest weakness is its notifications system, since it really hasn't progressed beyond WIndows-style dialogue boxes.

Happily, Apple has plenty of good models. webOS and Android both have solid notification systems. I really hope Apple delivers for iOS 5, and then I think they will easily have the most compelling product on the market

Apple just re-hired that dude who was responsible for the design of WebOS' notification system. I'm expecting a revamped and much improved notification for iOS soon, iOS5 more likely.
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Because there was so little software available for the Mac?

Naw. I think that Apple is where it is today because the iPod was followed by the iPhone, and both were huge hits. They never did much as a computer company.

You forgot the iMac. then iPod, then phone and now the pad.
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(he uses all 4 apps!!)".

He reports that the app supply is fine. That was my biggest concern when he got it.

But pretty much every popular app seems to be avialable for it. He has no complaints in that area. Indeed, there seem to be lots of good free apps that are unavailable on the iPhone, like turn-by-turn GPS.

Are you aware that WebOS apps are available from a variety of sources? Do you think app availability is a static phenomenon? These things ebb and flow along with market share.
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You forgot the iMac. then iPod, then phone and now the pad.

The iMac never got much market share. It still doesn't.
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"webOS 2.0 automatically stacks cards for you when it makes sense, and you can also drag and drop cards to manage stacks for yourself," the company said.

Wonderful! I need more levels to dig through and more ways to waste time tweaking.

By the way, what are the odds of a straight flush?
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It certainly doesn't sound like anything that the Apple target customer would want.

Indeed, it sounds like almost the opposite of the Apple "App" approach. Palm's approach seems to group stuff based upon the object of your desire - if you have a document with a separate graphic embedded int it, the two objects will be stacked. Apple seems to group stuff based upon the app that they recon should be assign to the object.
Very different approaches. Palm's approach is very Microsoft-like.

Not exactly Microsoft-like... If what you say about WebOS is the case - it sounds to me more like the old "OpenDoc" philosophy that Apple was working on in the mid-90's. Document-centric, not app-centric. Anyone remember "Cyberdog" the Apple browser?
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My kid won a free Pre Plus from a Palm promo booth at a festival. He used to have an iPhone. In his opinion WebOS blows away his old iPhone.

He does ultra-cool stuff with it. I'm interested in a WebOS tablet as well. It seems like it would be even better on a tablet than on a phone.

Agreed.

I think Apple was foolish to not make a serious bid for Palm. It seems to me that it was most likely a "Steve decision" to only offer a paltry "take it or leave it" cash offer for just the patents. It's really the second best mobile operating system out there IMO.

A blending of Palm WebOS and iOS would have all of the advantages of both and none of the drawbacks of either. They also seem to each do rather well what the other does poorly so the blending would be both easy and complimentary (again, IMO).

HP is famous for squandering opportunities and ruining products so probably Apple will get away with it in the end, but this was not a good decision in my book.
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Wonderful! I need more levels to dig through and more ways to waste time tweaking.



Then don't buy it. Apple makes drop dead simple products that you might enjoy better.
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I have a Palm Pre, and I can't wait for this to come out. I'm more excited about the Touchstone "Exhibition" and the "Just Type" feature, which from what I read seems more like QuickSilver than anything else, allowing us to do all sorts of quick things with out ever having to open an app. The stacks thing doesn't seem like a big deal to me, but the rest of what they are promising does impress me a lot.

I have an iPod Touch and the Palm Pre. Hands down, I'll take the webOS over the iOS any day. What the Palm Pre lacks in hardware, the OS greatly makes up for the flaws. The Palm devices will never outpace Apple iPhones in sales, but as long as Palm (er, HP) continues development, then I'm a happy customer.
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Not exactly Microsoft-like... If what you say about WebOS is the case - it sounds to me more like the old "OpenDoc" philosophy that Apple was working on in the mid-90's. Document-centric, not app-centric.


Not document centric. That is kind of the entire distinction - perhaps "intended task-centric"? Or "whatever you need to do what you want to do" centric? I'm thinking of their search function in particular with that last one.
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I have an iPod Touch and the Palm Pre. Hands down, I'll take the webOS over the iOS any day. What the Palm Pre lacks in hardware, the OS greatly makes up for the flaws.



You sound just like my kid.
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I don't know how 'stacks' will work, but I actually liked the way they handled multitasking in their previous version. I will never give up my iPhone, but I would like to see a large improvement to iOS 4's multitasking, which is a bit convoluted in that you can scroll and see every app you ever launched since the phone was booted. That's just silly, its like an alternative view to all the pages of apps in one long horizontal scroll. Show me just the apps that are truly running a background thread, not everything else that's suspeded....

Regarding present iOS multi task funkiness and proposed solution - Exactly, agree, ditto, x2, concur
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