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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Because there was so little software available for the Mac?

Naw. I think that Apple is where it is today because the iPod was followed by the iPhone, and both were huge hits. They never did much as a computer company.

You completely missed my point, didn't you? Especially considering the point that you were making before.

(Not surprising, since you avoided addressing the substance of most my questions on the patent suit front).

Btw, the second part of your post is sheer nonsense.
post #42 of 65
I'd very much like to see Palm do well. They seem to make more of an effort to do good stuff than - pick an easy target - Microsoft for example.
post #43 of 65
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Originally Posted by Banalltv View Post

I'd very much like to see Palm do well. They seem to make more of an effort to do good stuff than - pick an easy target - Microsoft for example.

You realize that Palm is now HP, right?
post #44 of 65
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Then don't buy it. Apple makes drop dead simple products that you might enjoy better.

Oh, wait, you mean WebOS doesn't run on Apple products? Stupid me.
post #45 of 65
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Btw, the second part of your post is sheer nonsense.

I think he's making a lot of sense. This is not a dig at Apple or anything but how the company that owned around 4% of the market doing much? Yes, Apple made great contribution to computer world. Nobody's denying that. I'm kind of LOL when I just saw, lately (from Youtube), that Apple invented Dock on desktop, my most favorite feature in Windows 7, as long as 10 years ago. But was anyone apart from people in Mac community care? Absolutely not. The Mac sale that exploded at that time was more likely due to the fact the computer market has grown exponentially because of the internet.
iPod, and subsequently iPhone, is the product that people outside Mac community accept and thinks it's cool to own. It raise brand acceptance and recognition that Apple make great products, and help grow Apple sales all around the world.
post #46 of 65
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

iPod, and subsequently iPhone, is the product that people outside Mac community accept and thinks it's cool to own. It raise brand acceptance and help grow Apple sales all around the world.

Wait a minute? Youre saying they Apples customers are simply accepting these devices and think they are cool to own but dont actually use them or like them?
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post #47 of 65
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

The iMac never got much market share. It still doesn't.

..And yet Apple get's the lions share of the profit.

Ask Acer what they would rather have - millions and millions of sales of netbooks and low margin PC's, or Apple's balance sheet.

HP has spoken - their acquisition of the WebOS is a pretty strong indicator they have been paying attention to Apple. It will be interesting to see if they can pull it off and connect the dots.

If market share is your primary indicator of success, your standards are pretty darn low.
post #48 of 65
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Originally Posted by 0yvind View Post

it sounds to me more like the old "OpenDoc" philosophy that Apple was working on in the mid-90's. Document-centric, not app-centric. Anyone remember "Cyberdog" the Apple browser?

OpenDoc was the most valuable thing Apple lost when the NeXT people invaded \ It had lots of potential. Microsoft has been dabbling in those concepts with WinFS and a decade later they still haven't delivered on what Apple had in the '90s...
post #49 of 65
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Wait a minute? You’re saying they Apple’s customers are simply accepting these devices and think they are cool to own but don’t actually use them or like them?

No, they're accepting Apple make great products. I'm not sure about "liking them" part because I'm still waiting for my first Apple product (either iPad or iPhone) but looking at iPod and iPhone dominance I'd say they're more likely love them.
post #50 of 65
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

No, they're accepting Apple make great products. I'm not sure about "liking them" part because I'm still waiting for my first Apple product (either iPad or iPhone) but looking at iPod and iPhone dominance I'd say they're more likely love them.

Okay, now I understand.
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post #51 of 65
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Originally Posted by mr underhill View Post

if i was going to commit sin this would be the one i'd go for.

Of all the competitors to ios, webos appears to stick to the principle of form follows function.

Looking forward to the tablet.

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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

If i was going to commit sin this would be the one i'd go for.

Of all the competitors to iOS, WebOS appears to stick to the principle of form follows function.

Looking forward to the tablet.


I agree!

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post #53 of 65
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How many times was this statement made about iOS 4? Do we expect it to be said about iOS 7?

What was that PT Barnum quote again? Or was it Lincoln? Something about fooling some of the people all of the time?

I think it was PT Barnum... and the quote was: "There's a troll born every minute!"

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post #54 of 65
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You realize that Palm is now HP, right?

Yeah, I know...

Here's hoping they don't kill a functioning self-sustaining good thing like the morons in Redmond did with the Golden Goose, I mean, with Danger's Sidekick.

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post #55 of 65
Good to see WebOS developing. It looks like a really well designed system, less chaotic than Android with some good ideas and concepts. HP should be able to take advantage of it over the next few years, I hope they keep the Palm division at arms length so that large corporate company politics don't drag it down and destroy the good stuff it has.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

I'm ready for my HP tablet running Web OS...

LOL - right after I get my enema...
post #57 of 65
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

Some interesting ideas. I would think it would give the Android folks a new place to get ideas from since they don't mind things being a bit disjointed. But really, all in all a nice dog and pony show for Beta-ware.

Also find the timing very interesting as Palm has always tried to one-up Apple. I don't think anything revealed here will steal the thunder from the Apple showcase tomorrow. I suspect Apple has a few tricks up it's sleeve. If the damn parts and case suppliers would keep their mouths shut it could even be an exciting event.

True idiots - they seem to enjoy timing their announcements during a period when they will be drowned out because of Apple's own. How stupid can you really be?
post #58 of 65
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

My kid won a free Pre Plus from a Palm promo booth at a festival. He used to have an iPhone. In his opinion WebOS blows away his old iPhone.

He does ultra-cool stuff with it. I'm interested in a WebOS tablet as well. It seems like it would be even better on a tablet than on a phone.

LOL - the trolls jump in. And please do tell us how it blows the iPhone away when they have no apps? Or did you really mean it just blows...
post #59 of 65
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

wow, i've gotta compliment everyone in this forum for being mature about the competitions offering. There are no mindless posts about how anything done by anyone other than apple is garbage. Good competition can only force Apple to provide more improvements to iOS.

I'm sorry, but didn't you notice that this is in fact an apple focused website? In fact, what you failed to notice is that all the paid trolls are jumping in. Wake up!
post #60 of 65
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

The iMac never got much market share. It still doesn't.

Wrong again fool! It dominates the portable / laptop market in terms of total revenue and profits in the premium end of computers by far. Really, what rocks do you people crawl out from under?
post #61 of 65
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Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post

I have a Palm Pre, and I can't wait for this to come out. I'm more excited about the Touchstone "Exhibition" and the "Just Type" feature, which from what I read seems more like QuickSilver than anything else, allowing us to do all sorts of quick things with out ever having to open an app. The stacks thing doesn't seem like a big deal to me, but the rest of what they are promising does impress me a lot.

I have an iPod Touch and the Palm Pre. Hands down, I'll take the webOS over the iOS any day. What the Palm Pre lacks in hardware, the OS greatly makes up for the flaws. The Palm devices will never outpace Apple iPhones in sales, but as long as Palm (er, HP) continues development, then I'm a happy customer.

They rename search "Just type it" and you get excited???? You really need to get a life.
post #62 of 65
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

The iMac never got much market share. It still doesn't.

yeah and we should disregard the profitability of the Mac computers entirely compared to the rest of the market - cuz, well marketshare rulez!!!!!

Apple was (and is, now as a broader consumer electronics company) one of the most highly profitable computer companies (since everyone else is in the race to the bottom) and still keeps growing their marketshre year over year against flat PC sales growth. Especially now that the other companies have announced reduced profit predictions due to lower than expected sales in the netbook category.

Good lord, you just keep reinforcing the need for the ignore list don't you?
post #63 of 65
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

I think he's making a lot of sense. This is not a dig at Apple or anything but how the company that owned around 4% of the market doing much? Yes, Apple made great contribution to computer world. Nobody's denying that. I'm kind of LOL when I just saw, lately (from Youtube), that Apple invented Dock on desktop, my most favorite feature in Windows 7, as long as 10 years ago.

Of course not. But as the Window GUI and security languished more and more people were buying other Apple products like iPods, running iTunes on their PCs and enjoying them. The iPod was arguably the trojan horse for Apple into increasing marketshare for the Macs as a result. Some of course would disagree, but there are few other direct impacts that can be so closely attributed to the growth. And look at the undue influence that Apple has as a "minority" marketshare player - all of the other makers have added all-in-one units to their hardware lines, some have tried to add touch as well. They are arguably the most profitable PC maker in the industry. And being the most innovative gives them influence far beyond mere marketshare.

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But was anyone apart from people in Mac community care? Absolutely not. The Mac sale that exploded at that time was more likely due to the fact the computer market has grown exponentially because of the internet.

Internet growth categorically would not impact Mac sales in this way, in the same way a rising tide lifts all boats - the increase in computer sales occurred in all categories, which means that increased marketshare was not impacted for Macs - just increased numbers of computers sold.

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iPod, and subsequently iPhone, is the product that people outside Mac community accept and thinks it's cool to own. It raise brand acceptance and recognition that Apple make great products, and help grow Apple sales all around the world.

This is in fact correct, and if you add in the impact of the disappointment in netbook performance, the debacle that was Vista (was Redmond revisiting their abortive release of Windows ME??) recognized ease of use, security - more people purchase, driving marketshare up. The "Mac community" has expanded far beyond the computer platform to become the "Apple community" which in many cases overlaps other, non-Apple communities, but numbers in the billions. Let alone the consumers who own multiples of Apple products - different iPods, iPhones, Macs, AppleTV.
post #64 of 65
seriously webOS rocks really hard! I sold my iPhone for a Palm Pre and it was the best decision for me I am really happy with webOS and they got really nice concepts built in! Can't wait for new hardware like a palm pre2 I'm gonna be one of the first who buys that thing
post #65 of 65
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

LOL - the trolls jump in. And please do tell us how it blows the iPhone away when they have no apps? Or did you really mean it just blows...


There is more to any OS than just Apps. They do the core functionality brilliantly. Compare the calendar for example, the Palm version is much better, they had a unified inbox from the off, proper multitasking, superior notifications etc. Other things Apple do better, and have a better ecosystem. But to single out apps is silly.

if it was so poor, why have Apple introduced both the unifies inbox and multitaking, and hired the man who designed their notifications?
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