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Apple announced Wednesday that iOS 4.1 will fix proximity sensor and Bluetooth issues, and will add a new feature allowing users to take high dynamic range photographs that produce stunning pictures. The new software will ship Wednesday, Sept. 8 for the iPhone and iPod touch [Updated with HDR photos and details].

Update: Following Wednesday's keynote, the golden master of iOS 4.1 was issued to developers. The new iPod touch, which will be available next week, comes with iOS 4.1 and Game Center preinstalled.

iOS 4.1 fixes

Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs announced that Bluetooth and proximity sensor issues that currently exist with the iPhone 4 will be addressed with next week's release of iOS 4.1. Such problems have persisted since the handset was first launched in June.

"All the bugs that we get mails on," Jobs said. "We think we've nailed a lot of them, and we think you're going to be pretty happy with it."



HDR photos

Jobs showed off the HDR photo capability at Wednesday's keynote in San Francisco, Calif.

He revealed that the new feature will take three rapid photos -- one regular, one underexposed and one overexposed. When the pictures are combined, it creates an HDR photo.

"It's pretty amazing," Jobs said. When taking an HDR photo, both it and the normal photograph will show up in the user's Photos application, so they can compare the two and choose which one they prefer.



Update 2: Included are photos of the new HDR photo feature in iOS 4.1. People familiar with the golden master indicated that the HDR feature is only available when using the Camera application. When sending a photo from the Messages application, only standard pictures can be taken.

Photo on the left taken without HDR, on the right with Apple's new Camera HDR.

HDR photo identified in the upper left corner when in the Camera Roll.

HDR options in the Settings app.

Epic Citadel

Also Wednesday, Apple highlighted GameCenter, showing how easy the application will make it for users to join a friend's game. One title running Epic Games' latest Unreal Engine was demonstrated -- Project Sword -- with a fully interactive 3D environment.

"That's on a phone," Jobs quipped after the title was shown off. "That's pretty remarkable.
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Unreal... Engine, that is...
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I want it! The iPhone 4's camera is already uncommonly good for a phone camera!

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And will 4.1 fix all the problems with 3G iPhones as well? I noticed no mention of that at all. It's hard to get excited about new Apple products when the ones you have are causing so much grief.
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Hopefully this is the 3G fix alluded to in that Steve email a few days ago.
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And will 4.1 fix all the problems with 3G iPhones as well? I noticed no mention of that at all. It's hard to get excited about new Apple products when the ones you have are causing so much grief.

He mentioned it quite explicitly. "Fixes for the proximity sensor, bluetooth fixes, and performance fixes for the iPhone 3G."
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I wonder how it would really work in real life because you need a tripod to shot the 3 photos --- otherwise they don't line up.
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I had sent him an email Monday afternoon asking about the rumors from Apple Australia about the sensor not being fixed in 4.1 and he replied with his answer. Obviously the rumor was false.
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HDR looks good, but aren't there already tons of apps for that?

Game center is nothing I have any interest in.

I guess I will not be updating. Why bother?
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I noticed he said the iPad would get HDR photos too in 4.2, which will come later this year. Guess the iPad will get a FF camera for facetime. The iPod Touch will only have a FF camera too. Can't imagine too many people taking photos with the iPod Touch and the iPad if they only have FF cameras...

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And will 4.1 fix all the problems with 3G iPhones as well? I noticed no mention of that at all. It's hard to get excited about new Apple products when the ones you have are causing so much grief.

Must not have seen the same one as I did - the Steve Jobs I saw said (quite clearly in fact) that it "fix performance issues with 3G" as well as an number of other things.
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I noticed he said the iPad would get HDR photos too in 4.2, which will come later this year. Guess the iPad will get a FF camera for facetime. The iPod Touch will only have a FF camera too. Can't imagine too many people taking photos with the iPod Touch and the iPad if they only have FF cameras...

Did you not watch the commercials (the slide was a bit unclear but the commercials showed it clearly) - FaceTime WILL use BOTH cameras in the Touch just like in the iPhone.
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I wonder how it would really work in real life because you need a tripod to shot the 3 photos --- otherwise they don't line up.

Remember, it's going to take 3 pictures in a fraction of a second. For the level of quality people tend to accept from cell phones they won't even notice the slight crop which will occur at the edges from misalignment when the images are put together.

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HDR looks good, but aren't there already tons of apps for that?

Game center is nothing I have any interest in.

I guess I will not be updating. Why bother?

The beauty is it happens instantly and you don't need to launch an app to do it.
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HDR looks good, but aren't there already tons of apps for that?

Game center is nothing I have any interest in.

I guess I will not be updating. Why bother?

Plus...

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There's also some back-end changes that you can sign up for a free development account, sign an NDA, and read about.

It's also free. Why WOULDN'T you upgrade?
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I noticed he said the iPad would get HDR photos too in 4.2, which will come later this year. Guess the iPad will get a FF camera for facetime. The iPod Touch will only have a FF camera too. Can't imagine too many people taking photos with the iPod Touch and the iPad if they only have FF cameras...

Did you NOT watch the presentation? iPod touch get front AND rear camera's....sheesh! Keep up
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Did you not watch the commercials (the slide was a bit unclear but the commercials showed it clearly) - FaceTime WILL use BOTH cameras in the Touch just like in the iPhone.

Ah, you are right. I see that in the pics at Apple.com now. I wonder if the iPad will get 2? It would make sense if it only had the FF.

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I wonder how it would really work in real life because you need a tripod to shot the 3 photos --- otherwise they don't line up.

Don't hold me to it, but I believe it's all handled as a series of rapid shots in succession, with automatic adjustments to the exposure. So, it might take 3 shots in a small fraction of a second.

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Did you NOT watch the presentation? iPod touch get front AND rear camera's....sheesh! Keep up

Of course the iPod Touch's camera is still limited to 960x720, a far cry from the quality of the iPhone 4's phone. I was pondering an iPod Touch if I didn't get get an iPhone soon (or an Android phone), but the piss-poor photo quality on some phones, such as the EVO, has made me really wary. I'd rather have 1 device (iPhone) than 3 (cell phone, camera, iPod Touch)
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Did you NOT watch the presentation? iPod touch get front AND rear camera's....sheesh! Keep up

Unfortunately, having a job, I was only able to partially pay attention and either missed something or misheard something. Sorry to have offended thee.

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Apple announced Wednesday that iOS 4.1 ...
"All the bugs that we get mails on," Jobs said. "We think we've nailed a lot of them, and we think you're going to be pretty happy with it."

Yeah, right. How about using actual heirarchical folders in Mail? I have hundreds of mail folders and they are in a neat compact heirarchy, except on my iPhone, where it is needed the most. On my phone, the folders are all laid out in a hokey expanded fashion, just horrible. I have to scroll to the ends of the earth to find a given mail folder. It's been years with this bug. I have zero faith that it was fixed, as there is maybe one Mail.app developer at Apple as far as I can tell, and he exists just to add stupid things like a To do list implemented as a mail folder. Wow, just like Microsoft Exchange! Make everything a mail folder!
Barf!
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The beauty is it happens instantly and you don't need to launch an app to do it.

sorry for being obtuse (and i admit i didn't watch the entire presentation) but isn't "camera" an app that needs to be launched? or is all i have to do now is think about it to make it happen?
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Yeah, right. How about using actual heirarchical folders in Mail? I have hundreds of mail folders and they are in a neat compact heirarchy, except on my iPhone, where it is needed the most. On my phone, the folders are all laid out in a hokey expanded fashion, just horrible. I have to scroll to the ends of the earth to find a given mail folder. It's been years with this bug. I have zero faith that it was fixed, as there is maybe one Mail.app developer at Apple as far as I can tell, and he exists just to add stupid things like a To do list implemented as a mail folder. Wow, just like Microsoft Exchange! Make everything a mail folder!
Barf!

Hmmm, so is this actually a bug or a feature that you want? I would consider it a bug if it worked before the way you wanted it to in a previous iOS release and then broken in a subsequent release.
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Remember, it's going to take 3 pictures in a fraction of a second. For the level of quality people tend to accept from cell phones they won't even notice the slight crop which will occur at the edges from misalignment when the images are put together.



The beauty is it happens instantly and you don't need to launch an app to do it.

you know what's sad? My girlfriend bought a $100.00 Nikon two weeks ago that had a 12 meg pix camera and 3.1 times zoom. My iphone 4 with 5 mega pixs and 5 times zoom eat that crap up in quality.

The iphone 4 has one of he best freaking cameras on a portable device I have ever seen.
And I can't wait to be able to stream my pictures from iphone to my new ipad(16 gig wifi+3G).
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Don't hold me to it, but I believe it's all handled as a series of rapid shots in succession, with automatic adjustments to the exposure. So, it might take 3 shots in a small fraction of a second.

Yes, in DSLR cameras you setup bracketing mode and between 3 and 9 shots are taken. Even though my Nikon D300 shoots 6FPS I still need to use a tripod to get the best results, but workable results in good light are possible handholding it. However, the iPhone 4 is much smaller and harder to hold steady.

And depending on the light, to get the overexposed shot the shutter may need to stay open for 1/10th of a second or longer, which could be hard to handhold.

I trust Apple put in some kind of great alignment algorithm into 4.1 to compensate for camera movement.

Either way, I am looking forward to trying it out! I already like making HDR shots with my Nikon ( http://jasoncollinphotography.com/blog/tag/hdr ), would be a bonus to be able to do it with my iPhone 4 as well.

Side note: I could no longer cope with the extreme slowness of my iPhone 3G with iOS 4 on it (and even before iOS for that matter) so just bit the bullet and got an iPhone 4 and now I finally LIKE having an iPhone. Bought mine from Radioshack and they some how gave me $64 in trade in for my old 3G which was scratched on the back (never used a case) and had an inch long crack on the back going perpendicular into the dock port. So for other 3G users/sufferers out there, the Radioshack trade-in deal is pretty good I think.
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And will 4.1 fix all the problems with 3G iPhones as well? I noticed no mention of that at all. It's hard to get excited about new Apple products when the ones you have are causing so much grief.

Reading without comprehension is not really reading.
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Yeah, right. How about using actual heirarchical folders in Mail? I have hundreds of mail folders and they are in a neat compact heirarchy, except on my iPhone, where it is needed the most. On my phone, the folders are all laid out in a hokey expanded fashion, just horrible. I have to scroll to the ends of the earth to find a given mail folder. It's been years with this bug. I have zero faith that it was fixed, as there is maybe one Mail.app developer at Apple as far as I can tell, and he exists just to add stupid things like a To do list implemented as a mail folder. Wow, just like Microsoft Exchange! Make everything a mail folder!
Barf!

You'd prefer a To-Do List in mbox format where it expands in the tens or hundreds of megabytes and if it pukes you have to edit it by hand?
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HDR looks good, but aren't there already tons of apps for that?

Game center is nothing I have any interest in.

I guess I will not be updating. Why bother?

Why not? It doesn't take away any functionality, and it's not like it takes all that long to do.
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Unfortunately, having a job, I was only able to partially pay attention and either missed something or misheard something. Sorry to have offended thee.

No need to be snarky. You're the one that made a categorical statement as though you knew the facts, when you clearly didn't.
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Wi-Fi upload of HD video is in there.
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It might have been a slip of the tongue, but when Jobs was talking about the iOS 4.2 "sneak peak", he said that the iPad would get the HDR photo feature. Which of course makes no sense unless the iPad gets a camera.

New iPad later this year, timed to coincide with 4.2?
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I wonder how it would really work in real life because you need a tripod to shot the 3 photos --- otherwise they don't line up.

The three shots are taken at the same time. Surely that was obvious? (rather one shot is taken and three sets of exposure used, standard gating but done digitally.)
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This is BULLSHIT! When are they going to fix the terribly slow effect that IOS4 has on my 3G. And NO...I don't want a damn iPhone 4. I want them to fix the fucking OS so it works on the 3G, or provide an easy way to downgrade my OS back to 3.X

Bullshit...

thank you Einstein. While yr at it use itunes to perform a system reset on your phone.
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This is BULLSHIT! When are they going to fix the terribly slow effect that IOS4 has on my 3G. And NO...I don't want a damn iPhone 4. I want them to fix the fucking OS so it works on the 3G, or provide an easy way to downgrade my OS back to 3.X

Trolling? They already said this update would fix the 3g issues...
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The HDR function will align the images eliminating the need for a tripod. You still need a steady hand, though.

Pro HDR app does this already, basically you press the shutter, the app then scans the whole range of highs and lows and then takes two pictures and combines them. Not super quick by any means.

If Apple can do this in a simple point and click fashion, it will be fantastic.
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thank you Einstein. While yr at it use itunes to perform a system reset on your phone.

That is not a solution to the 3G iPhone problems. It's only temporary, like rebooting your computer will seem fast at first.

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Trolling? They already said this update would fix the 3g issues...

Look people, the reason I and others have asked this question is because AppleInsider did not include this information in any of their reports here, and some of us aren't able to sit and watch an hour-long press conference in the middle of a work day. So, enough with the bitchy wise-ass comments to those asking. Either STFU or just answer the question without calling people stupid, ignorant or a troll.
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Will flash work with HDR?
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