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post #81 of 117
So the 5th gen is the best nano and this 6th gen nano is actually a downgrade, they should have updated the 5th with more storage alongside this one.

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iPod nano 5th Gen 8GB Orange, iPad 3rd Gen WiFi 32GB White
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post #82 of 117
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Very true. And, $149 for an Apple watch (that can also play music and do a few other things that watches normally cannot) does not seem like a bad deal at all.

I think Apple should advertise and sell it as such. I will ask for this iWatch from my kids for Christmas.

I hope the next upgrade comes with an optional wrist band and supports bluetooth headsets. That would be sooo neat.
post #83 of 117
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

All this moaning about the new design, and no one has even tried them yet.

Sure it may not be what you want, but others will love it.

I have ordered a Product Red version, can't wait :-)

Congratulations!!! I still have to make up my mind wether to buy the nano or go straight to the touch.
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well, IMAX is actually almost square and nobody complains, so what's the deal? :-)))


right right, and weren't most TVs square untill just a few years ago when wide screeen became popular?
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So go get them? Who is making you buy an iPod nano, tell me then we can protect you!


literally made me LOL.... very cute
post #86 of 117
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I think the most interesting thing is how phenomenally well HTTP Live Streaming worked. How many people were watching this? How many DoS and other attacks did they deal with during the presentation today?

Really? I had to reload every five minutes or so as the video froze but the audio continued. It seems like it was struggling with the bandwidth-switching mechanism.

Also, occasionally I would suffer 2 minutes of the audio and video cutting in and out from a black screen. Not just freezing, it was: working-black-working-black-working at about half-second intervals.

I was actually a bit embarrassed for Apple through the whole thing. Aside from the lame HTTP streaming, we had the following:

- "whoops, we took all the buttons off the Shuffle and predictably we made it crap."
- "we're taking all the buttons off the Nano, but this time it'll be cool, honest."
- "people say the Touch is like an iPhone without the phone. So we're going to make it so it's even more like an iPhone without a phone. Really, the only thing we're leaving out now is the phone bit."

I was pretty disappointed by the whole thing. Plus, Chris Martin is a prat and can't sing.


Oh, by the way, I'm in the UK, so maybe that's why the video streaming was appalling. After all, we know that Apple has some vendetta against the UK!! Perhaps it's something to do with the Beatles!
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Really? I had to reload every five minutes or so as the video froze but the audio continued. It seems like it was struggling with the bandwidth-switching mechanism.

Also, occasionally I would suffer 2 minutes of the audio and video cutting in and out from a black screen. Not just freezing, it was: working-black-working-black-working at about half-second intervals.

I was actually a bit embarrassed for Apple through the whole thing. Aside from the lame HTTP streaming, we had the following:

- "whoops, we took all the buttons off the Shuffle and predictably we made it crap."
- "we're taking all the buttons off the Nano, but this time it'll be cool, honest."
- "people say the Touch is like an iPhone without the phone. So we're going to make it so it's even more like an iPhone without a phone. Really, the only thing we're leaving out now is the phone bit."

I was pretty disappointed by the whole thing. Plus, Chris Martin is a prat and can't sing.


Oh, by the way, I'm in the UK, so maybe that's why the video streaming was appalling. After all, we know that Apple has some vendetta against the UK!! Perhaps it's something to do with the Beatles!

It worked great on my end and Im not on a fast network, but it is a campus network so it is consistently slow (if that makes any sense). I was surprised by the size of the on screen image and its quality. I dont think the streams of the keynotes and special events that open in QuickTime has ever worked so well, and I was getting much better quality. Note those are prerecorded.

Surely the UK could be different. After all, it adjusts the stream quality according to the worst connection along its path, and you would have many more hops than I do.
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post #88 of 117
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You do know that the new Nano has physical volume buttons?

Yes I know that, volume buttons aren't the concern here. Changing workouts during a run, pausing a workout at a light, checking the status of the run, all of these need detailed interaction. Something a very small sweaty touchscreen isn't going to accomplish.

 

 

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OMG! Alert Jony! He overlooked the basic shape and form!

It's OK. You can calm down now.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post

Apple made an interesting and odd (to me) physical design decision in making the border/edge on the top and bottom much thinner (visually) than the sides. Looking at the dimensions (1.48" x 1.61") it seems they could have made it only slightly taller (1.61") and made that border visually the same on all four sides.



Seems like an odd detail to have overlooked (for Apple).

It definitely seems un-Apple. But people didn't "get" the iPad bezel, either, and I totally understand the iPad design now. Maybe touchy-feely with the new iPod nano aka SuperShuffle will help us understand the design.
post #91 of 117
It's an interesting device to add to the iPod lineup, but it's a huge downgrade from the previous generation Nano. The last one was already nearly perfect, all it needed was the capacity bumped up substantially enough that they could justify dropping the iPod Classic.

A lot of podcasts theses days are video podcasts. Most of them you don't need to actually watch them, but the video is the only version offered. No video on the new Nano means those podcasts won't sync.

Built-in clip on the nano is a big mistake. Not only does it make the device needlessly thicker, but the clips on the shuffles are terrible for running. The shuffle just pops off all the time, you need a case or a pocket to keep it with you.

Steve understood why people want physical buttons on the shuffle, but he doesn't understand why they are important on the Nano? Much like the Nano fatty, I predict this version will not last long in this form.
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Just in case it hasn’t been stated, HTTP Live Streaming isn’t just for live events. The video of yesterday’s event on Apple’s site is streamed using HTTP Live Streaming if you are on an iDevice or using SL with Safari 4.x. Otherwise it’s using the older .MOV format.

Anyone willing to test and compare the two?
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post #94 of 117
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Originally Posted by r00fus View Post

You pause like you do on the shuffle, ipod touch, and iphone today: you click your earbud button once. Double-click to skip, Triple click to go back.
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Except you look at the ads, the Nano doesn't have the in-line control headphones any more.. Anyone bought one yet to confirm/deny? Even on the commercial - click the nano once to get to 'advance track' mode, then 2nd click to advance track. (and probably an extra click to 'wake it form sleep' to begin with).
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It's an interesting device to add to the iPod lineup, but it's a huge downgrade from the previous generation Nano. The last one was already nearly perfect, all it needed was the capacity bumped up substantially enough that they could justify dropping the iPod Classic.

A lot of podcasts theses days are video podcasts. Most of them you don't need to actually watch them, but the video is the only version offered. No video on the new Nano means those podcasts won't sync.

Built-in clip on the nano is a big mistake. Not only does it make the device needlessly thicker, but the clips on the shuffles are terrible for running. The shuffle just pops off all the time, you need a case or a pocket to keep it with you.

Steve understood why people want physical buttons on the shuffle, but he doesn't understand why they are important on the Nano? Much like the Nano fatty, I predict this version will not last long in this form.

agree bsenka. i was very skeptical of the no button shuffle. (a lot of folks in this same comment section thought it would prove brilliant.) i say the same for the new nano. it's a big disappointment. i agree with your prediction that it will flop. the price for its content level is ridiculously high. i really think this was a purposeful ploy by apple to get people to ditch the nano for the touch. which highlights btw, the notion that apple needs competition in the marketplace to keep them honest.
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if they took away FM people would complain too. Its nice for people who go to gyms where you have to tune in to a radio station to hear the TVs.

How good is FM reception on portable devices in buildings?

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you know what you can also get for 200 bucks? an xbox 360, a wii, or 2/3rds of a ps3.

Good luck carrying one of those around on a jog. Actually, that might not be a bad idea, sometimes carrying dead weight is good for you.

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It seems much more likely that Apple just re-skinned the old iPod software and added a few things like touch support then get iOS working on this thing. iOS is overkill anyway for a device with no need for a TCP/IP stack.

It's possible, but it would seem that mimicking the look and flow (probably harder than just skinning) of iOS and adding multi touch to Pixio would be harder than cutting down iOS to fit the task.

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Also the apple website makes no mention of iOS for the nano.

I don't think they need to. They probably have no intention of offering apps, or maybe they might support them but don't want expectations to get out of hand before they finalize that. Speaking of which, this one doesn't support games, didn't the old nano play games?

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You got it, but now give me a nice, thin band so I can wear this with regular clothes, not just a Jersey Shore Adidas track suit.

You might be able to just buy a bracelet that looks like a leather watch band.

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I won't keep ranting on the 6th Generation Nano's features and form factor or the fact that you get less for your money than the previous generation. And I won't even rant that the new model appears to be a solution in search of a problem.

It's hard to know which way it will go. People made the same complaint about the iPod mini, a lot less storage for not terribly much smaller. But it still sold better than the regular iPod at the same time. The novelty of the small size might win out.

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well, IMAX is actually almost square and nobody complains, so what's the deal? :-)))

IMAX (1.4:1) is wider than Academy (1.37:1), . There are screens people think are square because they can't differentiate proportions (Academy, old TVs, etc) from a different shape, but the new nano screen really is square.
post #97 of 117
Before we just dismiss the 6G nano outright, let's actually get our hands on one and USE it. Why? Because it will take some getting used to the multitouch functionality of the new nano if you're not used to the touchscreen operation of the iPod touch or iPhone.

I want to try one and and see will it actually work decently. If it does, I do like the very small form factor, especially the ability to easily put it in my pocket.
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you know what you can also get for 200 bucks? an xbox 360, a wii, or 2/3rds of a ps3.

Ya right.. Try running along with your xbox in a gym..!
post #99 of 117
Is there any confirmation the Nano is running iOS yet?

It the keynote at 27:50, Steve is demo'ing it and he drags an icon to the home screen and says "Just like I can with my other iOS devices," so that would seem to suggest it is (else he wouldn't have said "other.") But I could be reading to much in to one word.

But if so, it must be the most cut down version of OS X ever, with most of the background daemons not started, etc. And hopefully the parts they do start, they profiled and made as efficient as possible, and those performance improvements can feed back to the Mac.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Hmmm...... Did it seem like it could not play video!?

they crippled it
the old model was pretty cool
now we have no video or photos
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they crippled it
the old model was pretty cool
now we have no video or photos

Not quite. The new one does display photos, but indeed does not do video. Not sure why you'd even want to look at photos on such a small, square screen. Having said that, it does have a full 30 pin dock connector so presumably you could hook it up to a TV for displaying photos.

I do think Apple may have screwed the pooch on this one. Maybe they should have introduced this new model and called it the "super shuffle" or some such, but also retained the old Nano.
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I do think Apple may have screwed the pooch on this one.

It does have that feel about it, but there's also something else: something futuristic about clipping that little touchscreen on, and I don't know which will win out. Perhaps if it had 3G email. What I mean is, the thing that gives me that uneasy feeling is releasing a digital device in 2010 that is not networked.
post #103 of 117
So I have a 5th gen nano and its perfect for running at the gym. Unfortunately its having battery problems...so I might need a new one.

Is there an easy way to like shuffle to the next song without looking at it? Very critical that I can do that!

I don't know if you can put apps on it but there is one called OPUS which if you like tap the screen it goes to the next song. Would be perfect for this!
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So I have a 5th gen nano and its perfect for running at the gym. Unfortunately its having battery problems...so I might need a new one.

Is there an easy way to like shuffle to the next song without looking at it? Very critical that I can do that!

I don't know if you can put apps on it but there is one called OPUS which if you like tap the screen it goes to the next song. Would be perfect for this!

1) Even on the Touch or iPhone (connected to an armband) it’s easy to switch to the next song with the click of the button on the headphone cord. I find this method easier than the physical buttons of the G2 Shuffle attached to my sleeve. I’ve been buying the MarWare cases but this time I’ll just buy the new Nano (aka SuperShuffle).

2) Having a tap-to-shuffle option would be cool, but that only works if it’s a physical button to enable the screen for regular access. Since this would require the touch panel to be on at all times it would drain the battery more, but this is a small display area so it would be more feasible than the iPhone/Touch. I can see that coming eventually.

3) The G5 Nano came out just under a year ago. That means it’s under warranty. Those batteries are supposed to last years and hundreds of charges before they get to 80% charge capacity. So why the hell haven’t you gotten it replaced? Even if you are set on getting a new one you can still pass your old down or sell it.
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post #105 of 117
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1) Even on the Touch or iPhone (connected to an armband) its easy to switch to the next song with the click of the button on the headphone cord. I find this method easier than the physical buttons of the G2 Shuffle attached to my sleeve. Ive been buying the MarWare cases but this time Ill just buy the new Nano (aka SuperShuffle).

You use the Apple headphones for running? How is that even possible? OR does everyone who wants to do it this way have to go out and buy expensive special headphones for this basic functionality?
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1) Even on the Touch or iPhone (connected to an armband) its easy to switch to the next song with the click of the button on the headphone cord. I find this method easier than the physical buttons of the G2 Shuffle attached to my sleeve. Ive been buying the MarWare cases but this time Ill just buy the new Nano (aka SuperShuffle).

2) Having a tap-to-shuffle option would be cool, but that only works if its a physical button to enable the screen for regular access. Since this would require the touch panel to be on at all times it would drain the battery more, but this is a small display area so it would be more feasible than the iPhone/Touch. I can see that coming eventually.

The headphones Apple makes are useless for running and always fall out of my ear. Had to get some aftermarket ones. I'm afraid that if I have to look at it when running to change it then its a non-starter for me...which sucks b/c I really like the new Nano!

Oh and is it me or is Apple confused as to what configuration the Nano should take? I mean this is their third re-design of it since it came out like 5 years ago.
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You use the Apple headphones for running? How is that even possible? OR does everyone who wants to do it this way have to go out and buy expensive special headphones for this basic functionality?

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The headphones Apple makes are useless for running and always fall out of my ear.

Read the thread guys. He already said that he uses Apple's in-canal earphones rather than the standard ones.
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Read the thread guys. He already said that he uses Apple's in-canal earphones rather than the standard ones.

Wow. So add another $79 to the price, and you still don't get to use any of your old or preferred headphones. Sounds great.
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Wow. So add another $79 to the price, and you still don't get to use any of your old or preferred headphones. Sounds great.

Are you not aware of the headphones you get with any PMP you buy? Are you suggesting Apple give you some golden ticket to get a free pair of headphones from any vendor you wish at their expense? Despite my dislike for the Apple ear buds they apparently are usable by most. I see people running with them all the time.

PS: Successful people don’t dwell on problems, they look for solutions.
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Are you not aware of the headphones you get with any PMP you buy? Are you suggesting Apple give you some golden ticket to get a free pair of headphones from any vendor you wish at their expense? Despite my dislike for the Apple ear buds they apparently are usable by most. I see people running with them all the time.

PS: Successful don dwell on problems, they look for solutions.

No, but I already have headphones that I love that work well with every player of every type on the market, except the iPhone, iPod Touch, previous iPod Shuffle and new iPod Nano. Why should I be forced to:

1) Buy another pair with inline controls that I might not like as much; or
2) Settle with the crappy Apple headphones with remote

just because I want to be able to control my music without looking at the device?
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No, but I already have headphones that I love that work well with every player of every type on the market, except the iPhone, iPod Touch, previous iPod Shuffle and new iPod Nano. Why should I be forced to:

1) Buy another pair with inline controls that I might not like as much; or
2) Settle with the crappy Apple headphones with remote

just because I want to be able to control my music without looking at the device?

1) If you have headphones you like then use them.

2) You are inventing a problem. If a product doesn't exist the way you want it to you either don't buy it, buy the parts you need to make it ideal for your needs, or (if you think there is an untapped market) you sell your own to corner that market. There are no other viable options.

3) If you are being "forced" to buy something you don't want then you should contact the authorities instead of complaining on the internet as that is clearly against the law.
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I wonder why the Nano is such a hotbed of sort of random design ideas? It's really not very Apple like-- usually they either stand by their design decisions or drop the product altogether.

The Classic has soldiered on with very basic capacity and feature bumps, the Shuffle (except for the brief detour into buttonless land) has been a story of shrinking down until there's nothing but a click wheel, but the Nano has been all over the place, from its roots in the Mini to the fat boy to widescreen to multi-touch. I expect next year's to be round, or inexplicably huge, or transparent.

Like I said in an earlier post, I think Apple has this market so sewn up (at a time when no one else is even bothering to introduce new products) that they figure they can do almost anything, on the off chance something will be a breakout hit.

I really like someone's idea (sorry to not give credit where it's due, can't remember) of making this Nano a pluggable interface to little square accessory pieces, although that's probably way to elaborate for Apple to bother with at this point. As someone posted elsewhere, a Nano and a Shuffle stacked now make the previous model Nano-- how cool would it be if Apple sold a super-cheap, dockable Nano sized click wheel for people who wanted it?
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Is there any confirmation the Nano is running iOS yet?

It the keynote at 27:50, Steve is demo'ing it and he drags an icon to the home screen and says "Just like I can with my other iOS devices," so that would seem to suggest it is (else he wouldn't have said "other.") But I could be reading to much in to one word.

But if so, it must be the most cut down version of OS X ever, with most of the background daemons not started, etc. And hopefully the parts they do start, they profiled and made as efficient as possible, and those performance improvements can feed back to the Mac.

I think it had to have been a slip of the tongue. Portions of iOS are derived from FreeBSD, and as such Apple is required by copyright license to acknowledge FreeBSD, inc in their accompanying documentation. Small devices such as iPods and iPhones don't come with substantial printed documentation, so such acknowledgments are often digitally embedded inside the device itself, in an on-screen "About" page. This is exactly what happens in iOS devices such as iPhones and iPod touches. But if you search through the entire legal section of the new iPod nano, there is no mention of FreeBSD to be seen.
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I think it had to have been a slip of the tongue. iOS employs portions of the FreeBSD OS in its userland, and as such they are required by copyright license to acknowledge FreeBSD, inc in their "About" screen. They do this in existing iOS devices. But if you search through the entire legal section of the new iPod nano, there is no mention of FreeBSD to be seen.

Based on Erica Sadun’s in-depth perusing of the code she believes it’s Pixo OS.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/08/hands...eals-hints-of/
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I wonder why the Nano is such a hotbed of sort of random design ideas? It's really not very Apple like-- usually they either stand by their design decisions or drop the product altogether.

It does seem that making too drastic of a change is risky to do on their most popular product, but so far it appears that if it works, it's a big hit, if it doesn't work, it doesn't seem to hurt them too terribly.

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I think it had to have been a slip of the tongue. iOS employs portions of the FreeBSD OS in its userland, and as such they are required by copyright license to acknowledge FreeBSD, inc in their "About" screen. They do this in existing iOS devices. But if you search through the entire legal section of the new iPod nano, there is no mention of FreeBSD to be seen.

That's interesting. To me it would seem that refitting iOS would be the the most straightforward way of getting the touch, look and behavior into the device vs. shoehorning the same services into Pixio.
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That's interesting. To me it would seem that refitting iOS would be the the most straightforward way of getting the touch, look and behavior into the device vs. shoehorning the same services into Pixio.

Me too, as I think weve previously discussed. I guess even Apple couldnt get iOS small and efficient enough to make it viable.
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Me too, as I think we’ve previously discussed. I guess even Apple couldn’t get iOS small and efficient enough to make it viable.

Yeah, who knows. They probably will sell more than enough of them to make a heavy rework worthwhile. If you can plan on selling 15-20 million of a product, it's worth the custom tuning to make it work optimally.
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