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post #121 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by cmatech View Post

What about people who are sick of paying for overpriced & poor service from the cable companies? Think about how much money you could save by just streaming the occasional movie. And what about the savings from not going to a theater with ridiculous ticket prices and costs for popcorn and soda.

Not to mention there's usually someone stinky or deranged sitting nearby as well.
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post #122 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by 2oh1 View Post

I wish it were also a router so I could buy it instead of an Airport Express. Still, at $99, this has me seriously thinking about dumping cable and getting a netflix account. How many movies a month could I watch via this box for an $8.99 a month Netflix plan? How good are the movies Netflix has available for streaming? The free movies that Comcast has on demand usually suck. They have hundreds available, but it's hard to find one worth watching.

for netflix...its one dvd at a time and a whole bunch of streaming stuff thats decent. (district 9, matrix, benjamin button, star trek, up) and more. its worth it imo
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post #123 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by crackedpot View Post

I won't buy this for one reason. No 1080p.
Even if Apple doesn't provide content over 720p, Netflix does.
This version is worse than the last IMO.

Dude - really? 720p is a deal killer for you? You TV or AVR should be able to upscale to the TV resolution supported which should be 1080i/p.
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post #124 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:06pm
I would have loved internet access. Also, anyone know if the current ATV will have a software update? Or is it know obsolete? Netflix streaming is pretty cool.
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post #125 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

I wasn't being hostile. I was just pointing out a simple fact that everyone seems to miss.

I can understand that people may want one device to rule them all, but bashing something for what it's not or ever intended to be is in fact whining. However, the "whining" comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at all the posts. These comments and the attitude in general are the exact same as when the original AppleTV came out. It doesn't do this, it doesn't do that, it can't do whatever, it's useless, blah, blah, blah. "It's going to FAIL because it's not what I want or need." Makes me think people are just spoiled and have some unjustified sense of entitlement. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Who really cares one way or another?

Personally, looks like a great little device and I can definitely see how it could be useful to some people. I doubt I'll ever buy one as I don't own a TV anymore.



I'm actually really ticked it off that it doesn't slice bagels was really hoping for that option, maybe my iphone will do it next year
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post #126 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:09pm
If the new Apple TV was going to have iOS and TV specific apps on it, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL it'll be priced at $99. C'mon people, you're expectations were way too high. The rumored $99 price should've been a clear clue.

The $99 rumors have been going on for weeks and no one should've expected it to be an iOS device. I sure didn't. I think Apple is still playing the waiting game to see if the set top box market really takes off. Many have tried including Apple, but no one has been able to breakthrough. As long as the networks cling on to the Cable/Satellite providers...
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post #127 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

You can already stream anything to AppleTv has long has you convert it to .m4v format before then drag it into itunes. Handbrake will do this for free. You can also tag your files with identify complete with dvd covert and description.

This is going to be the best HTPC out there, but HTPC's are a hobby thing.

You missed my point completely.

As an example, people are dissapointed that it doesn't have hulu. You can't simply convert hulu streams to .m4v and drag them into iTunes to play them on Apple TV. What you could do however is have the hulu plus app on your iOS device and stream the video to Apple TV, if Air Play will support third party apps.

The whole reason I wanted apps on the TV was so that I could add apps from various content providers, but in reality, I don't need the apps on the tv, I just need the video to play back on the TV. The apps can stay on my iPhone (and its nice touch interface) if I am free to wirelessly transmit the video to Apple TV.

Another example would be games where you transmit the video to Apple TV and use your iPhone as a multitouch controller. Air Play support for third party apps would make Apple TV many, many times more useful.
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post #128 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by chrisdf View Post

I would have loved internet access. Also, anyone know if the current ATV will have a software update? Or is it know obsolete? Netflix streaming is pretty cool.

From what I've read previously is the old AppleTV didn't have the hardware capabilities to stream Netflix that's why it was an option on Boxee, etc. But you never know, I would like to know as well because I either have to decide to sell my old one or hold onto it
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post #129 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

Dude - really? 720p is a deal killer for you? You TV or AVR should be able to upscale to the TV resolution supported which should be 1080i/p.

If you have a 1080p display, your TV will upscale to that resolution anyway. BTW, no TV upscales to 1080i.
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post #130 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by ranger_one View Post

I'm curious about this as well. All iTunes HD shows are 720P, but my current Apple TV upscales them to 1080P for my 56" 1080P TV. They look amazing, almost indistinguishable from the "true 1080P" shows on select cable channels that actually broadcast in 1080P. And I am really picky.

For me, 720P is not a problem whatsoever on the current Apple TV...but I don't see 1080P upconversion in the tech specs for the new ATV...

well, I would like a cheap way to run netflix at the resolutions netflix puts out without hogging up my computer. I guess I'll just stick with running boxee on my iMac and feed it into my tv. this new ATV is lame. It would be compelling only if it had 1080p.
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post #131 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

I do remember the same being said of Android when it was first announced... Hell, I even said the same thing when I saw the first builds of Android.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing Android. It's a killer OS and will give iOS a run for the money. All I'm saying is a) GoogleTV does not yet have anywhere near the number of iTunes users and b) HW, based on Intel Atom, is currently expensive compared to $99. Maybe Logitech box will drive down prices.
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post #132 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

If you have a 1080p display, your TV will upscale to that resolution anyway. BTW, no TV upscales to 1080i.

Ah mon frere. Early HD displays were only 1080i so some did upscale to 1080i as well as early AVRs. But yes, today, most are 1080p.....
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post #133 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

Ah mon frere. Early HD displays were only 1080i so some did upscale to 1080i as well as early AVRs. But yes, today, most are 1080p.....

I've been selling HD displays since they 1st came out and not one ever scaled to 1080i. Don't confuse accepting a 1080i signal with scaling to 1080i. They always displayed video in progressive form and the signal was scaled to the native res of the display. With some Fujitsu displays, that was 1024x1024. With others models, it was 852x480 or 1366x768.
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post #134 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:14pm
I do not ever watch anything live on TV anymore and this little guy is just the ticket to cancel my cable and purchase season passes for the three shows I enjoy watching though iTunes.... Hello Apple TV & Netflix; good bye $936.00 a year in cable cost.
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post #135 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

We don't have rentals here in Japan, at least not yet (Steve gave me some hope, but the "system" here will likely block Apple as long as possible)... I am buying one as soon as it's out. Maybe two. One for home to stream stuff from my Mac to the 42" plasma in the living room. One for work to stream stuff for presentations. Might even carry the thing around for making presentations with my iPad.

Awesome.

I understand the home streaming from iDevice or Mac to AppleTV. That's a nice capability.

The at work use: streaming presos from an iPad to a HDTV seems very interesting until you examine it more closely,'

From what I saw demoed, once you hit the stream button on the iPad, the iPad screen turned black. I assume that the iPad (or iPhone, or iPod Touch) is occupied full-time streaming content and can no longer be used as a controller-- or at best a play/pause/stop controller.

So, do you need another remote or iDevice to act as a remote?

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post #136 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:15pm
... at least the web designer knows that Serenity Day is this month.
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post #137 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by BobbyB3 View Post

I'm actually really ticked it off that it doesn't slice bagels was really hoping for that option, maybe my iphone will do it next year

WHAT!?!?!??!?!?? It doesn't SLICE?
[raising fist in phony cliche outrage]
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post #138 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:18pm
I think it still misses the mark if you ask me.

What I want is a single unit that is a whole house DVR and allows me to stream media to any device in my house via my home network or coax cable.

The DVR must also be able to record at least 4 shows at one time while also playing back content.

Pretty much just like Uverse or Fios, however where I live neither is available and I am stuck with second rate Suddenlink Cable or DirecTV. We use DirecTV but each TV has to have its own DVR and each DVR can only record two channels and then it has to have two independent coax cables from the dish.

I mean seriously, why cant we have one agnostic DVR device to service the whole house? I understand the tuner thing with each TV provider using its own tech, but that could be easily answered with a single tuner that interfaces between the provider and the DVR. Almost like how you can control an iPod from your car stereo and have all of its info displayed on your car stereo's display.

LOL ok rant off. But that is what I sooo want the Apple TV to be. I don't need yet another box sitting on top of my TV just to watch rented movies. I got a Redbox right down the street in any direction where I can physically have a copy of the DVD in my hand for $1.
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post #139 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Is that supposed to be an apology or a feature? The concerns of storage? WTF?

I have a media library on a Mini with 2 external 2 TeraByte drives (one for backup). They are almost full!

Yes, there are storage concerns, and it takes time to manage that storage!

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post #140 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

I've been selling HD display since they 1st came out and not one ever scaled to 1080i. Don't confuse accepting a 1080i signal with scaling to 1080i. They always displayed video in progressive form and the signal was scaled to the native res of the display.

I can one up you dude. I market HDTV video chips and my first Sony HD RPTV's resolution was in fact 1080i so it took 480i/480p/520p signals and scaled them to 1080i. Sorry, meant 540p. Too many German beers while camped in Berlin for start of IFA.........I can show you some cool 3D technology if you are here.
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post #141 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I think they got the hardware right but not the software. 1 x power, 1 x HDMI, 1 x Ethernet/Wireless = great.

But the software! I was so excited to hear Steve say "People don't want a computer in their living room." But then the demo starts, and there's this whole row of menus with submenus, and I straight away knew this would remain a hobby.

The software should have been as simple as the hardware. You plug it in and it straight away shows a Coverflow of all the movies available for rent. And that's the whole interface.

But why so simple? Because when will people understand, the TV is for blobbing out! It's the one place in this hectic world that you don't have to think. And here come these tech companies, trying to add multi-layer menus to the only blob-out place we have left.

Which works for movies. What about tv, net content, networked computers? What solution do you propose? Looks very simple, very intuitive to me...
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post #142 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:20pm
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post #143 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post

I really don't like the direction things are moving in......used to be able to actually buy CD's which had better quality sound.....now you download them and hope your drive doesn't crash or they change the DRM requirements bricking your library overnight.

Used to be able to go to a store and buy a DVD.....now you rent them and forever lose the benefit of actually owning the item. If all we could do is rent you'd never be able to see the unaltered versions of Stars Wars or see ET before Spielberg changed the guns to lollypops.....any film considered controversial or subversive might not be available at all or would be edited etc.

We are slowly giving away our rights.



That's pretty funny. You don't have "right" to any of this stuff. It costs money to make, and the content providers have to find a way to make it work for them so they can continue to provide their content. Everything costs something.

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post #144 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:21pm
Now if they could somehow do Live Event Streaming for sports, etc I would probably cancel my DirecTv.
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post #145 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I understand the home streaming from iDevice or Mac to AppleTV. That's a nice capability.

The at work use: streaming presos from an iPad to a HDTV seems very interesting until you examine it more closely,'

From what I saw demoed, once you hit the stream button on the iPad, the iPad screen turned black. I assume that the iPad (or iPhone, or iPod Touch) is occupied full-time streaming content and can no longer be used as a controller-- or at best a play/pause/stop controller.

So, do you need another remote or iDevice to act as a remote?

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Yes, your iPad will lose complete functionality... or not.

You are familiar with the fact that tapping the screen brings up the video controls that are normally hidden right? I assume it's the same with video out, you could test it now with a video cable. I'm sure Air Play will function in a similar manner.
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post #146 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:22pm
There's no 1080 output because there is no 1080 content to stream. Simple enough to understand. Bandwidth limits, speed of connection required. You can't criticise something for not playing content that doesn't exist.
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post #147 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by BobbyB3 View Post

Now if they could somehow do Live Event Streaming for sports, etc I would probably cancel my DirecTv.

iOS app + Air Play

That is all I want.
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post #148 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Market_Player View Post

I do not ever watch anything live on TV anymore and this little guy is just the ticket to cancel my cable and purchase season passes for the three shows I enjoy watching though iTunes.... Hello Apple TV & Netflix; good bye $936.00 a year in cable cost.

My sentiments as well. This is cool. I do hope the content and pricing for the new AppleTV will be the same on my existing AppleTV? IOW, will I see a new update for the AppleTV software when I get home tonight?
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post #149 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

I can one up you dude. I market HDTV video chips and my first Sony HD RPTV's resolution was in fact 1080i so it took 480i/480p/520p signals and scaled them to 1080i.

You know, as I was thinking about it, it occurred to me that the only way your statement could be true is if you were talking about analog CRTs. Was your HD RPTV a CRT-based model? Also, did you mean 720p and not 520p?
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post #150 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Apple customers want convenience. Simplicity. Cache and style.

Or we're just informed enough to know that iTunes already got rid of music DRM years ago.

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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post

Hey genius, did you miss the part where I said 'the direction things are moving in'?

Nope - but how is going from DRM to no DRM moving in that direction? You talked about DRM bricking your music, there is no more DRM on music so you're just imagining a paranoid situation that doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

My WDTV Live streams just fine from my Mac using a program called Playback.

Does it include all the itunes features like ratings and smart playlists?

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post

There is a lot of content that I would prefer to own rather then rent (mainly music videos that I watch over and over again.) They will probably do that because bringing the iOS to the Apple TV makes sense and you need a hard drive for that.

You still don't need a hard drive on the device itself - you can still buy on the mac/pc and it will be stored there (which I'd vastly prefer, as long as streaming is seamless).
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post #151 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

Yes but Apple has way more iTunes users than Roku/Netflix subs...

But are they movie/TV show iTunes users? Since we are discussing Appletv.
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post #152 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post

I think it still misses the mark if you ask me.

What I want is a single unit that is a whole house DVR and allows me to stream media to any device in my house via my home network or coax cable.

The DVR must also be able to record at least 4 shows at one time while also playing back content.

Pretty much just like Uverse or Fios, however where I live neither is available and I am stuck with second rate Suddenlink Cable or DirecTV. We use DirecTV but each TV has to have its own DVR and each DVR can only record two channels and then it has to have two independent coax cables from the dish.

Tivo and Direct TV have a new DirecTivo coming out soon. It would have many of the features you want.
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post #153 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:26pm
AirPlay is so cool!
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post #154 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Does it include all the itunes features like ratings and smart playlists?

It doesn't support the ratings, but then I don't care as I've already rated all my music. Not sure what you mean about smart playlists. It'll play smart playlists I create just like any other playlist. Truth is, I don't really use it for stream audio (even though that function is available). I much rather prefer using my iPhone to control my AppleTV. Truth is, that's why I bought the AppleTV in the first place, to be a music server.
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post #155 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:27pm
It's basically an at home redbox type of deal which is great. Why go through the hassle of physically going somewhere to get an item and do it all over again to return it?

Not bad, Apple. I think I may buy one when I move into my new house in the coming weeks.
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post #156 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:27pm
I've been waiting for this one both with hope and trepidation. Unfortunately, the negatives appear to have won out.

From the rumours I knew that the new Apple TV was going to be a streaming device and I accepted that as a good way forward but I am beginning to feel that the Apple TV product train is well and truly off the tracks. I bought an Apple TV about four months back for two key reasons...

1) I wanted to have a copy of my music local to my entertainment system
2) I wanted to play movies off iTunes (much much lower priority)

Things like YouTube were useful but not essential.

What I was hoping from the new Apple TV was a device that would support Apps and that would stream content from your NAS drives or at least from a Time Capsule.

I don't understand why the latest version of the Apple TV has come out and now does far far less than the original model did. I, I'm sure like many other people, do not want to have to switch on my computer every time I want to listen to my music / watch my movies - that was the POINT of the device for me.

Oh well, hopes are dashed again.
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post #157 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

You know, as I was thinking about it, it occurred to me that the only way your statement could be true is if you were talking about analog CRTs. Was your HD RPTV a CRT-based model? Also, did you mean 720p and not 520p?

Yup, first gen HDTVs were CRT (mainly 1080i). So if you were a salesman selling HDTVs, you would know this. Nope, meant 540p which was one of the early formats supported in addition to 480p/720p.
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post #158 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by gordy View Post

So, nothing really changes as far as the box is concerned--other than storage which was stupid anyway. I'm buying one, at last. 99 cent TV shows will be cool once more studios sign up, but, I can't drop my cable company just yet.

Yeah, I just bought one, too! I already have an AppleTV but this is an improvement-- at least the beginning of one.

I am bummed, with no games, apps or SDK.

I think Apple really, really missed an opportunity by not announcing these today, and making the SDK available today.

Hopefully, by the time the device ships, they will rectify this-- otherwise, it is just a semi-useful, nice-looking square hockey puck!

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post #159 of 379
9/1/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

It's always nice to see the morons who talked about the "iOS" coming to the Apple TV and "how great it would be" to have touch TVs or some kind of pointer device that worked with the TVs, now scrambling with disappointment that Apple didn't abide to their insane designs!


Where's their apology right now? Well in the same place where their pride is ahah.

I could not agree more. Quoting vauge/very broad predictions like they are gospel from John Gruber and all of the other blog pundits that have never really done anything in real life but kiss Apple's rear and hate everything else. Apple wants the hype brought on by keeping thigs close, but when the hype machine from the fangirl blog world gets to be better than what Apple drops, it makes Apple look bad.

Ping = Fail
New Apple TV = Fail
Bring back the old Shuffle = WTF?
Nano = Who buys dedicated devices larger than the Shuffle?

Touch was given since every new iPhone is followed by a gimped iPhone called an iPod Touch.

AppleInside looks bad as well, publishing every little scrap of rumor, feeding the BS rumor mill and now we get nothing really today.
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9/1/10 at 12:30pm
I am astonished at how many people pay so much for their TV content. I do pay for a TV Licence, but that's only £12 per month.

I have a Freeview PVR to record for watching on the TV and Eyetv to record and play content on/via my iPod Touch. There is so much great free content available that I almost always have a backlog of shows to watch.
I have only ever paid for a couple of missed shows from iTunes and can't imagine regularly paying 99p for individual TV shows.
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