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post #81 of 379
So, nothing really changes as far as the box is concerned--other than storage which was stupid anyway. I'm buying one, at last. 99 cent TV shows will be cool once more studios sign up, but, I can't drop my cable company just yet.
post #82 of 379
[QUOTE=pmz;1705556]I have FIOS cable and never use it.

1. There's nothing on TV worth watching (except maybe 3 shows which are explicitly comedy, and do not attempt to shape people's thoughts with lying subtext)

2. I never watch shows when they're first aired (almost never. i have a life, a wife, a kid, and job. Who the hell has time to catch primetime programming?)

3. I would never pay monthly for a DVR box. (don't care how much or how cheap, i wouldn't do it. neither would millions of others)

OUSTANDING POINTS!!!! We don't have cable in our house, won't ever pay for it (or a dish) when we have NO TIME TO WATCH IT. We have (don't laugh) a DVD recorder that works just fine, and use Netflix and Hulu heavily. Not to mention the networks OWN websites that stream video that might not be 1080P all the time, but looks just fine on my 55" LG LCD.

This new AppleTV plays exactly to the crowd that Apple has had such a huge success with over the past few years--the average consumer. Win the "consumer market" and you will be RICH.

This makes my decision to purhcase a 2nd xBox 360 for netflix on my other TV or buying the slightly cheaper AppleTV that much more difficult.
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Originally Posted by brit120666 View Post

I still don't think Apple is being serious about the AppleTV. Just making it smaller with no real storage and only able to stream content and rent content - not impressed. Even though they have dropped the price to $99 - I still think this will continue to be a "hobby". As for 99 cents rentals - I have a DVR. I was really hoping for an iPhone 4.0 type OS with internet access and Apps. I will keep my current model.

Thats what I was hoping for too, but no new iOS and really not that great "at least with the old model you can do just about all the same things plus if you download Atv Flash you are able to put other movies from outside your iTunes account "as some of us have other movies" as well as stream them from your computer or also add an extra drive as well .........I was really wanting more to come from this as others were as well ...I may just buy another older model to put in my guest room...as I waited to see this one but im kind of dissapointed....But the other products were great just seems as if they still arent ready to take this thing seriously, could be why they also added a HDMI plug to the new mac minis...Gheezzz thats why I brought one of those..."because as SJ said no one wants a computer in there living room connected to the tv.....ohhhh boy well just look at the sales of the new mac minis hummmm I think some of us do...
post #85 of 379
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

Well, I don't have a DVR or even cable for that matter... so, if you had an open mind or an imagination you could see how this device would be useful to some people.



People without cable are a tiny niche market. Apple does not serve tiny niche markets. Not anymore.

They aim straight for Mr. Average, but they are even more acute: They want Mr. Average who has extra bucks to spend, wants convenience, and is not inclined to check out cheaper or higher quality alternatives.

You are not the type of person Apple counts as a potential customer.
post #86 of 379
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

I stream 1080p content to my WDTV Live all the time. As for Blu-rays, people have been ripping them for a while now.

By people you mean the privledged few who know how to do it and want to spend the time doing it. It's not easy.........so generic comments like yours don't mean much. And the fact that you use WDTV puts you in an even smaller user group.
post #87 of 379
Just pre ordered mine. Planning to use it mainly for netflix and photos.

If you're having a problems pre ordering through the website, just use the apple store app. I pre ordered with no problems.
post #88 of 379
Any thoughts on whether any of this new stuff will be a SW upgrade to the hard-drive based AppleTV? In particular, Netflix integration would be nice.
post #89 of 379
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Originally Posted by Dueces View Post

Except the Roku HD is 30% cheaper than this.

How well does it integrate with iTunes content?

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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Is that supposed to be an apology or a feature? The concerns of storage? WTF?

If it can stream from my computer, why would I need redundant storage at the TV?
post #90 of 379
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post

We are slowly giving away our rights.


Apple customers want convenience. Simplicity. Cache and style.

You are talking to the wrong audience.
post #91 of 379
It's perfect!

I'm a single father of a special needs boy and younger daughter; I don't get to go shopping for movies much, nor to Lackluster (er... Blockbuster). But during the day at work I hear about episodes I "have to watch" though I can't afford the extended cable services (like a box or premium channels).

The aTV gives me quick access to iTunes, NetFlix, web content and stuff I put on my MacBook.

For one low price.
post #92 of 379
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

By people you mean the privledged few who know how to do it and want to spend the time doing it. It's not easy.........so generic comments like yours don't mean much. And the fact that you use WDTV puts you in an even smaller user group.

Oh it's easy, trust me. It can be as simple as a few clicks or you can do long manual processes where you have more control. All depends on what you want.

Makemkv, available on windows, mac, linux, is a one stop program. Pop in disc, it will scan, present you with some file options, check what you want, click make mkv. It spits out a movie file. Done.
post #93 of 379
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

Google TV! A non-starter imo...

I do remember the same being said of Android when it was first announced... Hell, I even said the same thing when I saw the first builds of Android.

If the Revue is as simple as plugging it in-line between your TV and cable/satellite box, I'm willing to give it a chance to see how it'll perform.

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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

How could Apple take money out of your pocket if you watch live TV?

It doesn't look like they are trying to make a killing on the razor, but instead, they want to sell you blades for the rest of your life.

Of course the media renting/buying will be where they'll make their money. I was thinking of more of just the option of letting me watch live TV through the device so I can:

1. Seamlessly switch between content without having to change the TV input
2. Not view the awful interface my cable box uses
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post #94 of 379
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Originally Posted by FredAppleHead View Post

By people you mean the privledged few who know how to do it and want to spend the time doing it. It's not easy.........so generic comments like yours don't mean much. And the fact that you use WDTV puts you in an even smaller user group.

Ripping Blu-Ray is incredibly easy now. I bought an ASUS Blu-Ray drive for $150 at Amazon and followed these instructions using free software:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1457...y_ripping.html
post #95 of 379
I wish it were also a router so I could buy it instead of an Airport Express. Still, at $99, this has me seriously thinking about dumping cable and getting a netflix account. How many movies a month could I watch via this box for an $8.99 a month Netflix plan? How good are the movies Netflix has available for streaming? The free movies that Comcast has on demand usually suck. They have hundreds available, but it's hard to find one worth watching.
post #96 of 379
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

How well does it integrate with iTunes content?

Roku doesn't integrate with iTunes. Early Roku streamers supported iTunes but couldn't keep up with iTunes releases so dropped it. Focused on Netflix.

If it can stream from my computer, why would I need redundant storage at the TV?

Spot on.......
post #97 of 379
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

720p. FAIL!

When will Apple adopt true HD instead of this cheap knockoff?

1/2 the networks i record now with my DVR are broadcast in 720p. i'd rather see a focus on better content at 720p than shitty content at 1080.
post #98 of 379
I won't buy this for one reason. No 1080p.
Even if Apple doesn't provide content over 720p, Netflix does.
This version is worse than the last IMO.
post #99 of 379
not what i expected, but also not bad at all...i think this could be the foundation for something that can grow into the main living room device...

just add some hulu, maybe apps, and games (they would have to make a controller first of course), and other companies will be shaking....
post #100 of 379
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

3. I would never pay monthly for a DVR box. (don't care how much or how cheap, i wouldn't do it. neither would millions of others)

Seems to me that some of the millions who would never pay monthly for a DVR box may have issues with paying for broadband service as well. I'm not saying that's the case with you, but I'd bet that's the reasoning behind why some of those "millions" don't have DVR boxes.

BTW, for someone with so little time on his hands, you'd think a DVR would be the ideal thing for you. Then you could watch what you wanted to watch when you wanted to watch it (after it's been initially recorded that is).
post #101 of 379
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Originally Posted by Xero910 View Post

Looks nice and the price is good, but c'mon. Let my purchases be displayed front and center, not buried 3 menus deep.


Your prior purchases do not make new profits for Apple.
post #102 of 379
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

Cable is $60 - $100 a month and Tivo is $13, so depending on how much you watch this could be a great deal. If all our shows were on there we could cancel both and save $40. Not too bad.

And then not be able to watch any live broadcasting on traditional "cable" channels? No sports channels, CNN, etc? If all you're interested is pre-recorded broadcasts, and from a more limited number of networks, go for it. Much too limiting for me.
post #103 of 379
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

There is no DRM on iTunes songs. That was like 2007. And you can still buy CDs. Go to Best Buy. They have tons of them. Still have DVDs too. And a bunch of other options for video besides Apple. Do you get out much?

Hey genius, did you miss the part where I said 'the direction things are moving in'?
post #104 of 379
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Just saw the pricing too. US - $99. UK - £99.

Since when was the exchange rate $1=£1?

Never.
What does the price in the UK have to do with the price in the US?
They are not exported from the US to the UK at US prices.
post #105 of 379
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Cool device overall, but it's a bit nonsensical to expect users to 'rent' TV episodes for US .99 (at only 720p) when it's so easy to simply use a DVR/Tivo type device.

We'll See...

It makes sense because not everyone pays $130/month to their cable companies (or even has cable/satellite). It's ridiculous the amount of "fluff" channels I pay for to get the few channels I want. There's one network that I pay $10/mo for because it has one single series that I like. I never watch movies or other series on it. I could instantly save $6/mo by canceling it and renting from iTunes for $4/mo.

For anyone who doesn't A) watch large numbers of series/movies per month and B) don't watch the same shows over and over and over again, it's cheaper. Purchases can still be done in iTunes and then streamed to the device if you want to buy (my biggest complaint about ATV itself).

And despite the 720P source video, the upscaling (in my current ATV) is phenomenal. It looks great/almost indistinguishable compared to "true 1080P" content on my 56" 1080P TV.
post #106 of 379
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

This is probably going to sound really dorky, but the only thing stopping me from getting one is that it is hdmi only and doesn't have old fashioned video out.



I assume most people who get this are probably going to want to rip their discs to their computer and stream them.

HDMI is probably a requirement from the networks, so they can ensure HDCP lockdown on their content....
post #107 of 379
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

How well does it integrate with iTunes content?

My WDTV Live streams just fine from my Mac using a program called Playback.
post #108 of 379
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Originally Posted by Jarina View Post

For some it may be more expensive to just rent, however a year ago I went through the numbers and found out that it would be about half the cost per year to just get rid of comcast and buy the episodes from iTunes. I even bought a mac mini to play them on my TV and it's still about 2/3 the cost for the first year. After the first year I'll have saved hundreds of dollars. Now this is only for about 6-8 TV shows in a year, once you start watching 12+ TV shows it might be worth it to just get a DVR etc.

Exactly what I did, except I have an EyeTV tuner plugged into my Mac using over-the-air HD signals for some content (i.e. completely free to me now). For those shows that aren't broadcast OTA, I buy them from iTunes or Hulu.

The thing I don't get is how many people want to keep watching old episodes of TV shows. Once I am done, I am unlikely to go back and watch them again. Of all the shows I've purchased, I don't think I have rewatched a single one. Thus, for me, the $0.99 rental model is fantastic, especially since they are in HD. For the HD version, the rental price is less than 1/3 of the purchase price. I could rent it three times and still come out less, but I can't fathom actually watching any of them three time.
post #109 of 379
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

There's no whining. I was just expecting something more after all this time. Considering how Google TV allows for all the same features as Apple TV in addition to integration with whatever live TV service you have, I thought Apple would come up with something to match.

Honestly, what's with all this hostility towards a simple question?


I wasn't being hostile. I was just pointing out a simple fact that everyone seems to miss.

I can understand that people may want one device to rule them all, but bashing something for what it's not or ever intended to be is in fact whining. However, the "whining" comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at all the posts. These comments and the attitude in general are the exact same as when the original AppleTV came out. It doesn't do this, it doesn't do that, it can't do whatever, it's useless, blah, blah, blah. "It's going to FAIL because it's not what I want or need." Makes me think people are just spoiled and have some unjustified sense of entitlement. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Who really cares one way or another?

Personally, looks like a great little device and I can definitely see how it could be useful to some people. I doubt I'll ever buy one as I don't own a TV anymore.
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post #110 of 379
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Just saw the pricing too. US - $99. UK - £99.

Since when was the exchange rate $1=£1? I know Apple always screw us over here in the UK, but this is a new low point.

Not really, the Mac prices are still way worse. The US price doesn't include tax so you deduct VAT from the UK price i.e 99 / 1.175 = £84 -> exchange rate = $130. So we get screwed by $30. On the new Mac Mini it's $155. The ATV should be around £75 but £99 is a fair price that people would be willing to pay.

The biggest aspect of these developments for me is instant streaming to the desktop. I don't like using a torrent for a TV show and waiting to download and really a couple of quid a day isn't going to break the bank. Plus, Apple will maintain a far larger selection of old shows.

I prefer the pay as you watch model rather than pay first to start watching because some shows I decide to watch and then get bored of them and grudge being charged the full price for something I didn't enjoy nor watch entirely but I guess the TV networks prefer the pay to start watching to get more revenue. I guess it's good they even went with the 99c per episode to begin with.

I think the new ATV design is nice. Just a plug would have saved finding space to position it but it needs line of sight for the IR remote so it makes sense the way they did it. With a bluetooth remote, it could have been a plug but it's no big deal.

I'm slightly disappointed by the lack of a motion wand and no apps or browser but it's sort of true that people don't expect TV to be computers, just dumb old content providers so this direction makes sense. The new price point is so much better.
post #111 of 379
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Originally Posted by sandor View Post

1/2 the networks i record now with my DVR are broadcast in 720p. i'd rather see a focus on better content at 720p than shitty content at 1080.

For that, get a VuDu subscription.........
post #112 of 379
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Originally Posted by Zuriel View Post

not what i expected, but also not bad at all...i think this could be the foundation for something that can grow into the main living room device...

That's what some said about the original AppleTV when it came out. We know where that went.
post #113 of 379
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Originally Posted by LighteningKid View Post

The website is live now... it turns out that extra port is for Optical Audio. I was hoping for USB myself, and for the option of adding storage if you want. That way I could turn off my computer if I'm watching homemade or pre-bought content.

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Originally Posted by Dueces View Post

Except the Roku HD is 30% cheaper than this.

no its not
i have rotund most of the good stuff from starts is low quality
they are always pushing you onto amazon hd buying or rentals

apple TV gives you a perfect hd show and a smaller version if you buy it
AND YOU VCAN FINISH THE SHOW ON YOUR pod > touch >nano > iphone 160G CLASSIC !!

I AM SHOCKED AT ALL THE DOLTS HERE TO DAY
THiS IS A GRAND SLAM FOR APPLE
you guys really suck a big hairy pineapple

AND streaming for free from netflix will rock !!!!
i own roku for my upstairs netflix stuff
and version fios netflix down stair's
FIOS gives ME 19g up and down
so the apple tv will rock my 42 in plasma
and the hd quality on apple itunes is fantastic

somehow i feel i will buy 4 things this week
apple tv
my first ipod touch !!yayyyyyy !!!!!!!
maybe 2 nano's
and i will buy the 160 g classic just to bury it forever


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Why she
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post #114 of 379
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Originally Posted by crackedpot View Post

I won't buy this for one reason. No 1080p.
Even if Apple doesn't provide content over 720p, Netflix does.
This version is worse than the last IMO.

I'm curious about this as well. All iTunes HD shows are 720P, but my current Apple TV upscales them to 1080P for my 56" 1080P TV. They look amazing, almost indistinguishable from the "true 1080P" shows on select cable channels that actually broadcast in 1080P. And I am really picky.

For me, 720P is not a problem whatsoever on the current Apple TV...but I don't see 1080P upconversion in the tech specs for the new ATV...
post #115 of 379
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Originally Posted by gordy View Post

So, nothing really changes as far as the box is concerned--other than storage which was stupid anyway. I'm buying one, at last. 99 cent TV shows will be cool once more studios sign up, but, I can't drop my cable company just yet.

You can do what I did and reduced the cable packages. The good thing with an AppleTV is Itunes pretty much offer all shows of all networks, including cable only networks like Disney and HBO. The only problem was pricing. But if they reduce it, you could probably go with a cheaper cable package and ultimately go with just over the air digital signal and AppleTV.
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

I wasn't being hostile. I was just pointing out a simple fact that everyone seems to miss.

I can understand that people may want one device to rule them all, but bashing something for what it's not or ever intended to be is in fact whining. However, the "whining" comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at all the posts. These comments and the attitude in general are the exact same as when the original AppleTV came out. It doesn't do this, it doesn't do that, it can't do whatever, it's useless, blah, blah, blah. "It's going to FAIL because it's not what I want or need." Makes me think people are just spoiled and have some unjustified sense of entitlement. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Who really cares one way or another?

Personally, looks like a great little device and I can definitely see how it could be useful to some people. I doubt I'll ever buy one as I don't own a TV anymore.

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post #117 of 379
There is a lot of content that I would prefer to own rather then rent (mainly music videos that I watch over and over again.) They will probably do that because bringing the iOS to the Apple TV makes sense and you need a hard drive for that.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Just saw the pricing too. US - $99. UK - £99.

Since when was the exchange rate $1=£1? I know Apple always screw us over here in the UK, but this is a new low point.

I will give you $1, you give my £1.
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

I wasn't being hostile. I was just pointing out a simple fact that everyone seems to miss.

I can understand that people may want one device to rule them all, but bashing something for what it's not or ever intended to be is in fact whining. However, the "whining" comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at all the posts. These comments and the attitude in general are the exact same as when the original AppleTV came out. It doesn't do this, it doesn't do that, it can't do whatever, it's useless, blah, blah, blah. "It's going to FAIL because it's not what I want or need." Makes me think people are just spoiled and have some unjustified sense of entitlement. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Who really cares one way or another?

Personally, looks like a great little device and I can definitely see how it could be useful to some people. I doubt I'll ever buy one as I don't own a TV anymore.

That's all completely understandable. Like I said, I was just in the opinion that Apple was going to trump Google TV in some way, seeing as they saw Google's hand months ago. If anyone can, it's Apple.
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post #120 of 379
I'm a little disappointed that there wasn't an app interface; however I'll bet there will be more apps available later on. If anyone owns Roku, the ROku player has 50+ apps you can download. If the Roku player can handle it then the new Apple TV should be able to take care of it as well.

Don't bash the aTV product until you've used it; I was quite skeptical until I purchased one; I ripped all my DVDs to it and now I watch more of my older movies then I ever have.

How Many of you buy a DVD watch once then put on your DVD book shelf and never watch it again? By having a interface you can easily select the movie and start watching it. I paid $200 for mine, now that its only $99 I'll pick one up for the bedroom too and ditch my roku player
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