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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

You can use AIM for iChat. What makes it so wrong to use it for Facetime?

Of course, I can use flash on a real mac and it's TERRIBLY WRONG to have it on a mobile device.

Actually, you have a good point with your first sentence. Why isn't iChat/Facetime seemingly compatible, and therefore AIM connections possible - this would have given Apple good leverage into the market. My guess is that facetime is using something akin to the http streaming protocol (as used patchily yesterday) and isn't compatible with anything else out there? I don't know...

Not sure why you then go on to mention flash again, must be a mental tick of some sort.
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But I do like to tell the truth.

Great, I can hardly wait for you to start.
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post #83 of 144
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

My guess it that Facebook wanted full access and rights to all Ping users data.

My thoughts exactly! Facebook may have also wanted access to those sweet credit card accounts on iTunes--160 million of them. Fail. Facebook, like Google, is an information hog.

I've never visited one of the Facebook games/apps because the disclaimer they show before going to the page freaks me out. Pass. Not to mention the sheer number of friends who have had their accounts hijacked, thereby posting random links on my wall.

Fanboy maybe, but I'd opt to kick Facebook out too...we know how they do.
post #84 of 144
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
My guess it that Facebook wanted full access and rights to all Ping users data.

If this is the case, why did Ping get rid of the Address Book.app friend finder (where they find friends based the contacts in your Address Book application on your computer)?
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

My question is why only music-related for Ping? Why not multi-media? After all Apple also sell movies and books in iTunes, does it not?

Again.. its ONE day old.. lol. This is a great idea dude.. submit it to apple and I'm sure you'll see it in the not to distant future.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Actually, you have a good point with your first sentence. Why isn't iChat/Facetime seemingly compatible, and therefore AIM connections possible - this would have given Apple good leverage into the market. My guess is that facetime is using something akin to the http streaming protocol (as used patchily yesterday) and isn't compatible with anything else out there? I don't know...

Not sure why you then go on to mention flash again, must be a mental tick of some sort.

The advantage of FaceTime is there is no login and it is easy and ready to use, Skype, AIM, and MSN have their own iPhone apps and Apple is not blocking them anyone from using the cameras on the iPhone. It is not Apple fault that AIM and Skype are not on top of things when it comes to adding new features to their apps.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.

Which is why you need porn?
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Oops.
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post #89 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??

I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.

Dude.. they're telling you What THEIR products may and may not do.. you may or may not do or buy whatever you want... If you buy a product fully aware of it's restrictions, then complain about them, you MAY just be an idiot.

Do you honestly not see the irony in complaining about them telling you what to do, despite the fact that your actually telling them how they should run their company??
post #90 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??

I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.

Blackintosh there is a niche for people like you it's called open source. On the forums there you can complain about how company's dominate our lives and we are so oppressed by the great evil conspiracy. Or, widen the hell up and get some perspective.

Start with S.Man's blog from the Isle of Man.

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
post #91 of 144
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Actually, you have a good point with your first sentence. Why isn't iChat/Facetime seemingly compatible, and therefore AIM connections possible - this would have given Apple good leverage into the market. My guess is that facetime is using something akin to the http streaming protocol (as used patchily yesterday) and isn't compatible with anything else out there? I don't know...

Not sure why you then go on to mention flash again, must be a mental tick of some sort.

Personally I'd assume Facetime will make it to the Mac somehow, whether it be part of iChat or a separate app. Surely the closer Apple can get to a critical mass with Facetime, the more third party companies will start implementing it.
post #92 of 144
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Originally Posted by gordy View Post

My thoughts exactly! Facebook may have also wanted access to those sweet credit card accounts on iTunes--160 million of them. Fail. Facebook, like Google, is an information hog.

I've never visited one of the Facebook games/apps because the disclaimer they show before going to the page freaks me out. Pass. Not to mention the sheer number of friends who have had their accounts hijacked, thereby posting random links on my wall.

Fanboy maybe, but I'd opt to kick Facebook out too...we know how they do.

I hate how facebook spam their users. For more than a month now I get this friend finder banner on facebook that says this and that in my friends list used this feature to find more friends (they basically want your email and email password). I asked my friends and they said they never used it (even so facebook said they did). I am sure my friends are getting the same banner saying that I did use this feature while I actually didn't.

The only reason I signed up for facebook was to setup a page for my business.
post #93 of 144
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.

Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?

In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.

Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.

It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.

I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.


"Forced" means you have no choice. You could just not sign up. or choose the gender you aren't. I think what he is trying to say is this is not the huge privacy breech you're deperately trying to make this out to be.

Honestly dude, yes.. I agree with you that it would be a lot easier and make everyone happy if these fields just had a third option that said "prefer not to say". But this thing is ONE DAY OLD lol.. I'm sure it just got over looked.

Obviously your interested in Ping, or you would have just said "Ping is Pointless" instead of getting upset over these details. So atleast we can take from this that you think it's a good idea, but it needs some tweeking before you will sign up. TOTALLY FAIR. Honestly just take all your good ideas and send it to them.. I'm sure their are alot of other people that feel the same as you, and I bet you you'll be plesently suprized with their very next update.

There is just no need to blow this up into something it isn't. Leave that crap to Fox News
post #94 of 144
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

So you know the terms Facebook demanded from Apple? I didn't realize you were there when Apple and Facebook chatted. If Facebook demanded that you kiss Zuckerberg's ass for them to work with your company, would you agree ?

I do know that Apple can't partner with anyone without the CEO getting into a feud sooner or later. Google, Adobe, untold software developers who get Apps rejected or pulled for ridiculous reasons.

Seems the only companies Apple likes to do business with are crap like ATT and Microsoft. That make sense to you? I bet it DOES!
post #95 of 144
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

But you want to be able to tell Apple what they can and cannot do? (Add Skype/AIM compatiblility to Apple software)

Why don't you write your own code to do it?

That's the answer? Write my own code? That is your solution?

If this isn't the most classic typical Apple Insider forum post in the whole world I don't know what is. An answer that puts it all on me. I wish you were my auto mechanic.

My car wont start. Go fix it yourself.

Or better yet, be my doctor. Hey doc, I have some disease. Well, go into the Amazon jungle and find some root that will cure it. Just don't bother me about it.

Thanks for politely telling me to go screw myself. I love you too.
post #96 of 144
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

My issue with you is that you mistake your opinion for fact.

Umm, it is fact.
post #97 of 144
Doesn't facebook have standard api's that anyone can sign up to? If so the only issue would have been if apple wanted some sort of special treatment.
post #98 of 144
Bottom line, Apple is right to be skeptical of Zuckerberg and his continual Facebook privacy gaffes. If Ping integrated with Facebook I'd never use it.

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post #99 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I do know that Apple can't partner with anyone without the CEO getting into a feud sooner or later. Google, Adobe, untold software developers who get Apps rejected or pulled for ridiculous reasons.

Seems the only companies Apple likes to do business with are crap like ATT and Microsoft. That make sense to you? I bet it DOES!

And exactly why you're here in this forum with the rest of us and not running a big ass corporation and making business decisions. Always easier said than done making statements on how CEOs should do business and make decisions that doesn't satisfy our own personal wants and needs.
post #100 of 144
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

On top of all the silly user restrictions there is the fact that you *must* use name on the credit card of the account for your user name.
  • Why would anyone use a social network that doesn't give you any freedom to be who you are?
  • Why would anyone who's been on the internet for a while as <name> want to suddenly appear as the name on their credit card?



FAIL.

I didn't use my "credit card name". Am I missing something?
post #101 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

You betcha. Why can't I watch porn on my Apple TV? Cause it doesn't support .ram files. But my computer can play them.

I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.

Blackintosh, real men do not watch porn.

We make it.
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post #102 of 144
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

People complain at record companies for turning a profit, book publishers for wanting to earn money for their content, apple for wanting to boost their revenue stream.

No, we complain about record companies turning a profit and not paying the artists that enabled that profit.

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Does everyone here want to work for free and give their services and time for nothing?

No, and neither do the artists who record music. But that's what they end up doing much of the time. They have to go on tour to make $, 'cos they're not making anything from the albums.
post #103 of 144
Oh crap. Another thread completely hijacked by Blackintosh: 39 mentions in 101 posts.

I'll wander off to another site.......
post #104 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I told you before, I am not Techstud, however I did agree with many of his posts back in the day. I found his lack of hero worship most refreshing.

I do have a secret identity. Keep guessing.

Perez Hilton?
post #105 of 144
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

Perez Hilton?

tekstud, mactripper, igenius, ... they're all the same, so it doesn't really matter which banned troll he is, but, at least we know for sure, by his own admission, that he's one of them.
post #106 of 144
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

n any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.

... The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.

It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.

I can understand your concern but I think you are not seeing the big picture. I run a professional forum in which we require people to use their real names. People don't post BS when their real name is shown. Apple is keeping it clean which is why your picture has to be approved before it is displayed. It is a lot easier to make the rules strict in the beginning than it is to try to police it later. With real names it becomes almost self regulating. The issue with gender is a little complicated but there certainly should not be an "other" selection. Since you are giving your real name the gender is relevant because many names do not indicate gender, but much of today's music is preferred by one gender or the other. As was stated, the feature is designed for people to recommend music to their friends.

You still have your choice though. if you don't like the rules, you can choose not to join.

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post #107 of 144
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

It's so limiting it's practically insulting. The gender thing is *defintitely* insulting. There are a surprising number of folks who aren't either "male" or "female" for those who don't know.

Every human on earth has either X and Y chromosomes, or X and X. That would make them male or female. Any self identification issues, hormonal conditions, surgical alterations, or whatever else you may be eluding to does not change their genetic composition.
post #108 of 144
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Every human on earth has either X and Y chromosomes, or X and X. That would make them male or female. Any self identification issues, hormonal conditions, surgical alterations, or whatever else you may be eluding to does not change their genetic composition.

Unfortunately, there are multiple genetic disorders that make such a simple statements a little problematic. For example, Klinefelter's syndrome (47, XXY).
post #109 of 144
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

There are two legal definitions of gender on this planet. You are legally registered as one or the other. These are MALE and FEMALE. One of those two is apt to the legal status of every human being on the planet.

So while we're on the subject of knowing everything, gender overlays, among other things, sex, and is far more than the mere question of 'what bits do you have'. You can't determine gender at birth and in fact to ask for 'gender' whilst restricting the choice to 'male' or 'female' is equating gender t sex, which it is not.

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/

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And I'm not speaking "for everyone else", I'm speaking for myself

The more people realise this fact on fora like this, the better everyone will get along.
post #110 of 144
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Originally Posted by rorybalmer View Post

Again.. its ONE day old.. lol. This is a great idea dude.. submit it to apple and I'm sure you'll see it in the not to distant future.


Apple has created what the TALKING HEADS would call a FACEBOOK KILLER!!!

but Apple, being coy as they are and not wanting to be obvious (also remember that FAKEBOOK was suppose to be integrated into PING from the start, it just got "pulled" last minute because FAKEBOOK wanted more control of PING and all the info they extract from ANYONE on that site) and we all know APPLE are control FREAKS (i say that in a non-troll good way)

so to not be so obvious out the gate ... SJ can say its not FACEBOOK it s a Music social networking site, but almost everywhere you turn everybody's got an i-Pod, iPhone or iPad or iMac, Macbook-

so i see this as a natural progression and FB sucks total NAILS... i hope they improve on this..
post #111 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

So Steve Jobs steers facebook now? Wow, this guy has a lot of power. Or does he?

Typical Apple lately. Instead of using the Skype or AIM to get facetime going, we have to use Apple's proprietary format which works on nothing but other iPhone 4's on Wi Fi so it's useless right now.

We had to use Quicktime format for the old Apple TV which meant hacking or iTunes only for the most part.

Flash was no good so now we have iPhones and iPads that can't display websites until they write Apple compatible versions.

Now we have this Bing, or Ping or Pong whatever and it will be useless until the world flips over to it.

No doubt about it. Apple has set us down a path that will make the monopoly of Microsoft look like a drop in the bucket. Steve Jobs will stop short of nothing but world domination. And he intends to do this with his niche market.

Sorry. Steve, you have lost your mind.

First of all, Apple has a partnership with AIM and once the FaceTime standard is released don't be shocked to see AOL pick it up right away.

Second, Skype's video streaming is garbage, only reason it's so popular is that it's cross platform and is great at getting around firewalls (which consequently has gotten it outright banned many places).

FaceTime is not a service, it's a protocol, HUUUUGE difference. Services are limited to single companies and if corporation A uses service B it is compatible with corporation C since they use same service but corporation D uses service E and they're just out of luck cause they bought into E and it is now a legacy technology.

What has made telephones, e-mail, web, jabber, all these things so great is that they are protocols with agreed upon & regulated standards. This means All I have to do is find a service/application that utilizes these standards and I'm instantly connected to everyone else. Skype will never be a protocol, they want you to use them and only them for all your video needs.

A lot of people too complain about Apple not joining existing efforts in XMPP, yet this is not a definite. It may very well be that they submit FaceTime to become part of jingle. I'm hoping they don't as Jingle has been a sad progression of a standard, it just isn't getting anywhere fast. I'm all for Apple stepping in & coming up with a solution and then just giving it to everyone, that's really a great deal!

Open Source communities are great at starting technologies, but not so good at polishing them. Apple has helped Open Source a lot by putting some polish on a lot of technologies. It's just tiring how they continue to get bashed for not just jumping on board existing projects, like jingle, that seem to be on a road to nowhere. Don't get me wrong, not insulting open source, it's just that putting money behind a project is often a much better motivator than giving a couple of hobbyists an "ata boy!"
post #112 of 144
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Originally Posted by iBill View Post

I didn't use my "credit card name". Am I missing something?

If you are then so am I; I just put a nickname in the first name box and an initial in the last name and it worked OK for me.

Not sure how much I'll use it though, none of the artists I'm interested in following have signed up yet, but I'm sure that many of them soon will, they'd be silly not to really.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


BTW - your comment about the gender thing and people who see themselves as neither, making this 'insulting' is utter bullsh*t. I mean, c'mon - seriously?!

I'm sorry but I fall into that category that the previous poster was talking about...I am transgendered and don't consider myself to be a male but I have male genitalia...and don't like it when I have to state a sex...did you know that India has transgendered as a sex profile in addition to Male and Female...it's time the world got with the program or just give it up...

so in order to be comfortable with choosing one I choose Female but have to make it clear to people that I am not completely female...so yes it is insulting to some people

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post #114 of 144
Apple's business model thrives on consumers maturity in decision making; open minded, independent thinking, problem solving customers who don't yield easily to manipulation. Play straight, defer to their intelligence, provide them unmitigated assistance, pay homage to their creativity by being creative yourself, and, take their economic faithfulness home to the bank. And hyper grow on your communality.

Simple, and yet so exclusively Apple branded as a business model.

The reverse business model is much more competitive and overcrowded.*Ethos the Hell out of your customers and make a run for it. Cultivate and then hijack the signature coordinates of the take home prey. And under grow by intelligent design the market creative potentiality. *

Wrinkled, and yet so heartily and widely embraced as a business model.

May Apple 'ping', 'face time', 'game center', 'air play' a cap on Google-Facebook laundering ways...! **
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Originally Posted by Berp View Post

Apple's business model thrives on consumers maturity in decision making; open minded, independent thinking, problem solving customers who don't yield easily to manipulation. Play straight, defer to their intelligence, provide them unmitigated assistance, pay homage to their creativity by being creative yourself, and, take their economic faithfulness home to the bank. And hyper grow on your communality.

Simple, and yet so exclusively Apple branded as a business model.

The reverse business model is much more competitive and overcrowded.*Ethos the Hell out of your customers and make a run for it. Cultivate and then hijack the signature coordinates of the take home prey. And under grow by intelligent design the market creative potentiality. *

Wrinkled, and yet so heartily and widely embraced as a business model.

May Apple 'ping', 'face time', 'game center', 'air play' a cap on Google-Facebook laundering ways...! **
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Interesting point of view.

You must like MS then, as Ping = Zune my social (2006) and Game Center = Xbox Live.
post #116 of 144
Macrumors posted this as the reason that Facebook is not on ping.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1006687

Turns out, Apple wanted to use a Facebook API and Apple and Facebook could not come to an agreement.
post #117 of 144
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

So Steve Jobs steers facebook now? Wow, this guy has a lot of power. Or does he?

Typical Apple lately. Instead of using the Skype or AIM to get facetime going, we have to use Apple's proprietary format which works on nothing but other iPhone 4's on Wi Fi so it's useless right now.

We had to use Quicktime format for the old Apple TV which meant hacking or iTunes only for the most part.

Flash was no good so now we have iPhones and iPads that can't display websites until they write Apple compatible versions.

Now we have this Bing, or Ping or Pong whatever and it will be useless until the world flips over to it.

No doubt about it. Apple has set us down a path that will make the monopoly of Microsoft look like a drop in the bucket. Steve Jobs will stop short of nothing but world domination. And he intends to do this with his niche market.

Sorry. Steve, you have lost your mind.

It's great isn't it?

Off you go enjoy your Skype video calls on your Verizon Android device which you can tether via wifi with a $300 netbook with HDMI.

Have fun.
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post #118 of 144
Ping+Facebook
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=PROFIT!
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Interesting point of view.

You must like MS then, as Ping = Zune my social (2006) and Game Center = Xbox Live.

Sitting on a self sustained war chest is the most creative Microsoft undertaking of the last few years. Lazy like a rundown clock that's right twice in a day's work.

Microsoft is pretty much out of the business model referencing. It's not driving the narrative, for it's busy sleep-walking the credibility gap. They are a menace foremost for themselves, and a generous, albeit involuntary, subtle disseminator of the new Ping trademark embedded right into ios and OSX search protocol.

What was once a Palamino has morphed into a Trojan Horse for Apple into Google-Facebook social thuggery.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Disable it under your ping settings. done.

It's not tied to facebook. At all.

Hence this topic...

Actually, no.
Disabled or not, you still have a Ping Profile.
And as far as not being tied to FaceBookIt appears not to be now, but initially it appeared very much so. When I checked it out, it had a "find friends through Facebook" feature, as is discussed in a more recent AI article.

In any case, my gripe is largely with the whole state of the "Social Media' concept, as it now stands. Not so much just with Ping or with Apple.

There has to be a more satisfactory way to network without relinquishing all privacy to corporate entities.
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