But from my standpoint it isn't a problem right now.
Originally Posted by Marvin
Cumbersome setup process but not as cumbersome as someone unboxing a tablet and having to plug it into a PC and open iTunes, which they may not have (requiring a download and install).
It certainly isn't perfect, that is Apples setup requirement, but has been pointed out there are ways around that. The simple fact that they are willing to do so in store is acknowledgement by Apple that the requirement doesn't fit every user needs.
A lot of old people have poor eyesight and the last thing they want to do is get down on all fours behind a dusty old PC and figure out which of the 20 or so ports back there is a USB port. It might be the last trip they ever make.
Likewise a lot of old people are likely rolling their eyes in disgust at being catergorized as feeble and near death. Believe it or not some older people are very tuned in to the technology world.
Wifi syncing would help here (wifi would be setup by the grandson of course).
Proper WiFi setup is far more time consuming then setting up the iPad yet you seem to think it is worth the grandsons time. If you can say he should be setting up WiFi then the simpler operation of setting up the iPad is a no brainer. This is one reason why I reject Irelands complaint about the need to sync as it is trivial compared to the efforts required to install WiFi and prep the house.
Exactly, which is why they need to fix this. This is an example of you having to fit the device rather than the other way round. As soon as they put on a system requirement, there are conditions of usage.
This is a non arguement as every bit of technology requires certain conditions for use. A solar powered calculator requires light, an automobile requores fuel, oil and other stuff, a laptop requires power and an OS. The list goes on and on. There are always conditions of usage no matter what the device.
You can say that the sync requirement is a condition you object to but that is a different arguement. Admuttedly iPad isn't perfect here but sync is hardly the big issue pointed out by many here.
The simple reason why syncing should be optional is because once you sync, people find they can use the device almost indefinitely so why require it in the first place?
I can't say what Apples motivations are here but Syncing the device upon first usage is not an issue. Second the fact that you can use the device for almost ever without a sync doesn't mean that the device can't be sync'ed in the future. Apple must have some sort of vision about how the device will be used and I'm pretty sure that involves being sync'ed to a system rather regularly.
System updates and backups are different but there's no reason they can't be done on the device too like I described above with an SD slot.
The kack of an SD slot puzzles and frustrates me as it likely would only cost a couple if dollars to implement. The problem is the SD slot really diesn't fit into this discussion as Apple provides a way to update the machine. Besides the SD card won't get filled with data on its own, so you still need a PC.
Updates should have automatic recovery and roll-back.
Show me were that has been prefected. The fac is Apples method is a lot like a clean install often reccomended for some OS updates. Those updates are done in such a way that the average consummer doesn't have a problem doing them. Sure on iPad this is a hold over from the phone like devices that are even more limited hardware wise. It is however a proven and manageable system usable by a wide range of people.
They need to add controls to manage content and then it will have the features to take on the netbook market. Just now, it's an accessory. No revolution, no magic, just an accessory.
Yes an accessory and frankly many of us like it that way. Frankly it is a good thing to be seen that way as it allows Apple to manage expectations because honestly the iPad can't compete right now with even a cheap laptop. People need to realize what they are buying at the time of purchase to avoid disappointment. Notably the current arraingement gives them the ability to evolve iOS over time and deliver the features many of us want.
If the standard PC will fade out eventually as Jobs indicated then why tie the device that's suppose to make the shift to an old PC?
The old PC morphs into a hub for the digital life style. I don't think Steve meant that the PC goes away completely just that its usage changes dramatically. Or he could see iPad as a device for cloud computing which honestly I think is pretty sad.
The sync step obviously ties the iPad content to a desktop or laptop so if a device is stolen then it will try to wipe it when connected to someone else's machine but someone can steal your laptop or desktop and they don't require you to sync with a server. Even if they required you to setup an account when you turn on the device to tie it to your iTunes account, that would be ok because if you tried to sync it with a machine using a different iTunes account then it would know. This also gives the option to sync with both a laptop and a desktop if both iTunes programs are setup with the same iTunes account.
I'm not here trying to say iPad is oerfect or that the current syncing arraingements make sense 100% of the time. All i'm saying is that this is a rather poor excuse not to give Granny the support she seems to need.
I look at it this way, the subject must have come up in some context. Maybe she saw a friend with one doing something on a social web site. Or maybe the same friend showed her some E-Mails with photos or videos of grand kids. Whatever the cause of her interest we have to respect that she probably doesn't care about the details. For this type of usage the iPad is a perfectly goid machine for granny no matter what are personal feelings about syncing are.
Think about what the iPad is and why older people might actually like it. The technically inclined in this forum often get side tracked with the details. Normally that is all right but in this case I think we need to put ourselves in grannys place. Further we need to understand why the subject even came up.
I simply don't know the details here but I can telk you that grand parents love those pics and videos of grand kids. Something tells me that granny's i terests where tweaked with resoect to iPad and its ease of use with respect to E-Mail and portability had something to do with it.
In a nut shell I just think Ireland is focused on the wrong issue here. No matter what granny gets there will be support involved, that should be a given. If an iPad does what she wants and makes her happy why resist????
As a side note it might be wise to wait for the Facetime supporting iPad to come out. Especially if she is looking at this as a communications device.