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Though spammers quickly flocked to Apple's fledgling social network last week, most of the bogus surveys and other unwanted comments were removed by Monday.

Soon after it was unveiled last week, Ping was inundated with spam, as comment sections on many popular artists' pages were filled with links to items like phony surveys. But by Monday, that spam was all but removed from the service.

Ping also initially had a number of fake accounts, with users posing as Apple executives, including CEO Steve Jobs and designer Jony Ive. Many of those accounts had also disappeared by Monday.

In addition, Apple made minor tweaks to the Web-based interface of Ping, adding "back" and "forward" buttons that were missing when the service launched last week alongside the release of iTunes 10. The buttons make it easier for users to navigate the Ping service, which can only be accessed through iTunes.

On Friday, Apple revealed that Ping had enlisted more than a million users in its first 48 hours. About a third of the people who downloaded iTunes 10 activated the service, said Eddy Cue, Apple's vice president of Internet services.

But despite the initial success, Ping was also met with some criticism by members of the press when it launched last week. Some, including Peter Kafka of MediaMemo, complained that Ping does not analyze a user's entire music library. Instead, it only considers items that were purchased through the iTunes Store.

Ping has also been criticized for its lack of connectivity with other, larger, and more established social networks. Facebook last week reportedly blocked API access to Ping after the company failed to reach an agreement with Apple. Chief Executive Steve Jobs alleged that Facebook demanded "onerous terms" for the two parties to work together.



Apple touted last week when unveiling Ping that it has 160 million iTunes users with active credit cards in 23 countries. The new service allows users to "follow" artists and friends, allowing them to see popular songs within a group and hear about upcoming concerts.
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Death penalty for spammers..........
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post #3 of 65
I like Ping. 'nough said.
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Most user libraries are rife with outdated I D 3 tags or poorly maintained info. So, it would be a mess for this info to be included really. Apple would have to parse this info, correct, complete & reformat it. Many people have used outdated apps to import music, have not had Internet access to complete album info when importing, or have not maintained their libraries metadata. Plus, this would provide the R I A A with another means to identify potential P 2 P downloads & begin a new round of persecution. As we all know from the music industry's reliable, credible & independent data, nearly 100% of music on iPods is stolen. Of course, zune's are not included as their owners are honest & law abiding & they realize the damage that P 2 P can create

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While I personally don't mind, I think some people would raise privacy concerns of them scanning their library. Also, as some have mentioned above, some people don't properly keep tabs on their library and are missing a lot of things in their tags.
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I wouldn't mind having my library scanned. Genius does it anyway.

I do buy from iTunes, but also bleep.com, cd rips small label mp3 stores.

I think Ping needs to include the whole library and integrate with facebook and twitter while also offering an instant message functionality. Their goal is music based social networking....these things are essential
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This was obviously coming but it's good they did it quickly before it go too out of hand
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well, if APPL can scan our libraries for "the Genius" feature, then for sure they can do same for Ping/Pong.
However, for myself, Ping/Pong doesn't show up in my iTunes10, so, I cannot subscribe.
Well, even if I could, I'll not. :P
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After 4 days interacting with it I've come the conclusion...Ping is pants!

Maybe I need another week or so or some useful tips to maybe appreciate what Mr Jobs is getting all excited about. Maybe it's the additional dollars. I've already bought a dozen tracks that I have no idea why.

Following artists around somehow feels a bit like stalking and creepy. It's all just promotional blurb. Go to xyz.com and download this song. Money making machine...period.
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It does seem Apple like to only scan the songs you've bought off them. Hopefully they'll flesh this out, and make it more oriented to enjoying and discovering new music rather than clicking the 'buy' button. Have they made it easier to add friends, or do you still have to add them on one by one?

Still waiting for Facebook connectivity.
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Originally Posted by Sandman619 View Post

Most user libraries are rife with outdated I D 3 tags or poorly maintained info. So, it would be a mess for this info to be included really. Apple would have to parse this info, correct, complete & reformat it.

Other systems like last.fm seem to have no real problems with this. Neither does Genius, btw. I have lots of non-iTMS music that Genius is capable of using in its playlists.
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Though spammers quickly flocked to Apple's fledgling social network last week, most of the bogus surveys and other unwanted comments were removed by Monday....

Still not touching it with a ten foot pole until they fix the gender/name thing and make it a bit more inviting and useful.
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Still not touching it with a ten foot pole until they fix the gender/name thing and make it a bit more inviting and useful.

I can't figure out why this is a problem. Facebook is gender-specific and uses real names, but somehow when Ping does it, it's a problem.
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After 4 days interacting with it I've come the conclusion...Ping is pants!

Maybe I need another week or so or some useful tips to maybe appreciate what Mr Jobs is getting all excited about. Maybe it's the additional dollars. I've already bought a dozen tracks that I have no idea why.

Following artists around somehow feels a bit like stalking and creepy. It's all just promotional blurb. Go to xyz.com and download this song. Money making machine...period.

Yeah, almost every "feature" of Ping is basically just for the record companies, not the end users.

They want your gender, age and real name so they can market crap to you. Nobody on the actual Ping service cares about that stuff so the only reason it's there is to service the data miners who want to sell you crap.

This is the same reason they won't scan other titles in your library besides the purchased ones. It's not that hard to do, they just don't care about music you already had. They want to know what you bought, and by extension what you are likely to buy next. Again, so they can *market* to you.

This is fairly obviously the whole point of Ping. It doesn't seem to have much to do with social networks to me at all. Ping is less a social network and more of a live a marketing survey.

Typical of Apple to think that a trip to the virtual mall is "social networking." I've been following them since the beginning and IMO they just don't "get" social at all.

You can't have everything. You can be a cold-hearted aesthete that designs excellent hardware, or you can be a social, happy sort that's great at networking. The first kind of people can't do the social and the social people couldn't design hardware to save their life. Steve Jobs has all but admitted that Apple is the former, and that their talents don't extend to working well with others or in fact, "socialising."
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Chief Executive Steve Jobs alleged that Facebook demanded "onerous terms"

Oh... the... irony.

Steve, it kinda sucks when companies demand onerous terms, doesn't it?
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I can't figure out why this is a problem. Facebook is gender-specific and uses real names, but somehow when Ping does it, it's a problem.

Well I'm not sure what Facebook offers and I never said it was only a problem cause Ping did it.

If Facebook does it, it does it for the same reasons, marketing and data collection/mining, which is essentially my point. Nowhere on the interface can you even tell what gender someone is. The information is collected for marketers, there is no opt-out, and no choice other than male or female.

If they wanted to be decent to their users, all they have to do is change the pull-down to "male, female, not stated." If they wanted to be progressive they might add a few other choices, there are easily tens of thousands of iTunes users that are neither male nor female (based on intersex statistics).

I'm not, but I have friends that are of indeterminate gender, and I have friends that are female but don't necessarily want anyone to know that online. I have at least three friends who regularly put the opposite gender on forms just to screw over the form maker because they fell it's a private question.

The bottom line for me with Ping, is who is the "social network" really for? If it's for the consumers, then why not give them some options? If it's for the marketeers, then put it up front that this is the reason for it's existence. let the record companies hand out coupons and advertisements to the users if that's what it's really all about.

Above all, don't call it a social network when it's not designed for that.
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I'm hoping it will become more useful soon. I'm a music professor and spend upwards of $150 per month on iTunes. Mostly jazz (what I teach). Yet my recommended artists?- Lady GaGa and Shakira. what am I, 17 years old?
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It is a wait and see with Ping. Many of my favorite artists are not there. It is annoying that my music isn't scanned so the artists recommended for me to follow would fit my tastes. This is especially odd since I was asked about what music genre I listen to. Apple needs to focus on getting all of the artists on Ping then it will be a real success. The fixes they've implemented are much welcomed. It would be nice for Facebook and Apple to work their differences out but each has their own agenda.

Also, it would be nice to be able to search by lyrics and genre too. Searching by artist alone kind of inhibits the discovering new music bit.
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Peter Kafka of MediaMemo, complained that Ping does not analyze a user's entire music library. Instead, it only considers items that were purchased through the iTunes Store.

Why would I want Ping to sniff my entire hard drive's worth of music, bringing my computer to a crawl? To the contrary, I'm sure he'd be whining about privacy if his request was realized.

Feel sorry for Apple. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Ping is out for 23 minutes and people are bitching about how there aren't any musicians and/or people to follow!
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Why would I want Ping to sniff my entire hard drive's worth of music, bringing my computer to a crawl? To the contrary, I'm sure he'd be whining about privacy if his request was realized.

Feel sorry for Apple. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Ping is out for 23 minutes and people are bitching about how there aren't any musicians and/or people to follow!

My feelings exactly. Tempting but won't jump on board straight away and won't expect too much until the creases are ironed out and some non-juvenile acts are signed up.
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I like Ping. 'nough said.

I gave it a halfassed once-over and didnt see how it would benefit me, but I've sense had friends trying to connect with me and feel the same way as you do about it so I will probably give a more thorough look.
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I downloaded iTunes 10 in the hopes it was improved. Since much of my library is from CDs that aren't available in iTunes and many lectures from authors I like, the new division of sections isn't really different for me. The lectures don't have meta data. I must fill in the titles and track names.

The music CDs can't access data from iTunes because those artists aren't there. I might as well use some other open source media player. I don't get movies from iTunes because I have Netflix. I'm not a movie collector.

The only reason I'm keeping iTunes is because I'm buying an iPod and it will interface much better with iTunes.

Ping is 100% about marketing with social pressure added. If your friends get a song you had better try it and get it too. If you don't then you somehow have inferior taste.

I gave up on Facebook because it became a blurb festival. Each person made their blurbs and most of them were pointless.

MySpace may be less popular but to me it offers a place for me to post blogs to inform my friends what I'm doing and what I'm into with much more detail. They even added their own place for members to post blurbs but it isn't the focus of the site. It is just a feature that can be ignored.
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Unless I am allowed to have multiple accounts for my family and me, it's completely pointless. Not worth the bother.

All of us share one account, but each of us has a different musical taste (jazz, pop, hard rock, classical in terms of primary interest). Moreover, each of our individual Macs contains all the music (via home sharing), sort of a collective back-up in the event someone's hard drive gets fried.

Apple's system is likely to be quite confused if it relies on forming 'judgments' from just iTunes-downloaded stuff on my one account.

I'll check back when Ping has grown up a bit, and has actually become useful.
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Unless I am allowed to have multiple accounts for my family and me, it's completely pointless. Not worth the bother.

All of us share one account, but each of us has a different musical taste (jazz, pop, hard rock, classical in terms of primary interest). Moreover, each of our individual Macs contains all the music (via home sharing), sort of a collective back-up in the event someone's hard drive gets fried.

Apple's system is likely to be quite confused if it relies on forming 'judgments' from just iTunes-downloaded stuff on my one account.

I'll check back when Ping has grown up a bit, and has actually become useful.

I get what you're saying, but it would be beneficial for you to sign yourself up at least. The more people that are using and giving feedback, the faster Apple will make it the Ping you want it to be.
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Oh... the... irony.

Steve, it kinda sucks when companies demand onerous terms, doesn't it?

Yes, poor Facebook. Apple will have a service in 12-14 months that will completely destroy Facebook.

Facebook reminds me of AOL somehow, maybe because it's junk and everyone uses it. \
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...Facebook reminds me of AOL somehow, maybe because it's junk and everyone uses it. \

I remember watching everyone flock to AOL in the early days over Prodigy and wondering WHY WHY WHY? It was constantly downloading updates on your dime. It didn't have a real web browser for real Internet access when Prodigy did. Customer service wouldn't let you quit. It was horrible ! But it was the clear-cut winner in that race.

Facebook has a terrible interface. It blatantly ignores what is reasonable regarding privacy. How it got to be the new AOL is as mysterious as how AOL became synonymous with being "online."

Stephen Case and Zuckerberg strike me as opportunists. Yes - they made things happen - and I respect that enormously. But they're not visionaries. When people like Case and Zuckerberg and perhaps Kevin Rose are left to run these companies -startups that gain considerable wealth and customer bases - their weaknesses are exposed.

The Google guys knew to bring in Schmidt. Is Zuckerberg really a CEO type?
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I get what you're saying, but it would be beneficial for you to sign yourself up at least. The more people that are using and giving feedback, the faster Apple will make it the Ping you want it to be.

Nah, that is too time-consuming a way for me to give feedback to Apple. If I was Apple, I'd be foolish to be not looking for good feedback from sites such as AI anyway. If they are not doing that, it's their loss (given that, after all, there are only a few good sites to keep tabs on).
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Still not touching it with a ten foot pole until they fix the gender/name thing and make it a bit more inviting and useful.

Really? I put my business name in the First name and "Me" in the last name. Whats the problem?
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Their goal is music based social networking....these things are essential

actually I suspect that this in fact is NOT their goal. But in fact it is just as it was on lala.com, networking as a way to augment their 'genius' system in order to get folks to buy more music. And that is all.

Which is why it is all itunes based and wasn't some great new magical web features called Pingbook.com with all the checkins, photo posting, status updates etc

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I wouldn't mind having my library scanned. Genius does it anyway.

I do buy from iTunes, but also bleep.com, cd rips small label mp3 stores.

I think Ping needs to include the whole library and integrate with facebook and twitter while also offering an instant message functionality. Their goal is music based social networking....these things are essential

Ithink Ping needs to disappear from my iTunes window, because I'll never ever use it. You can't get it out of the window! Creepy.
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They want to know what you bought, and by extension what you are likely to buy next.

They (Apple) already know what you bought--they sold it to you in the first place, and they have your entire purchase history. That's missing the point.

The real reason you can only "like" music in the iTunes store is because that's what they have on offer. Apple doesn't care that you might like The Beatles, because they can't currently sell you any of their tunes. It's the same reason the Genius feature doesn't process and can't recommend music that's not on the iTunes store.
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Yeah, almost every "feature" of Ping is basically just for the record companies, not the end users.

This is the same reason they won't scan other titles in your library besides the purchased ones. It's not that hard to do, they just don't care about music you already had. They want to know what you bought, and by extension what you are likely to buy next. Again, so they can *market* to you.

How did you come to that conclusion?

You can manually "pick the music you like" and it doesn't have to be any that you purchased or on your computer, or even list any at all.
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I get what you're saying, but it would be beneficial for you to sign yourself up at least. The more people that are using and giving feedback, the faster Apple will make it the Ping you want it to be.

A spam site that is purely programmed to try and sell you more music?
Suck all personal information from you and you're friends and make you pay for the convenience of using it?

Please tell me what is so appealing about a feature that does nothing but allow me to stalk other artists trying to get me to buy their music?

This isn't a social feature it's a money making scam. Fortunately just like every other Apple 1.0 software/hardware it's an unfinished still in beta form. I must just be using it wrong...
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I agree with the analysis that Apple is not a social company. Steve Jobs is not social. He is a real good businessman and salesman. Apple doesn't know how to make a social community. They might be lucky with all their iTunes subscribers that make it work. Still I hate Facebook and thus I hate Ping. People can't be/act social to their neighbours but are trying to be social on the web. Being social is not only getting along with those that have the same interests, beliefs, culture, taste etc. But especially with those that are different. Plus the system of followers and being followed (leaders?) is such a narcissitic and self-centered system that the word social doesn't even fit the terms. Facebook is NOT a community. It doesn't help you out when your house burns down or when your children are ill. You cannot have a BBQ or a yard sale with them. If our youngsters learn facebook and ping to be a community I see a dark future for my kids. People are made to interact face to face in person. Not virtually.
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A spam site that is purely programmed to try and sell you more music?
Suck all personal information from you and you're friends and make you pay for the convenience of using it?

Please tell me what is so appealing about a feature that does nothing but allow me to stalk other artists trying to get me to buy their music?

This isn't a social feature it's a money making scam. Fortunately just like every other Apple 1.0 software/hardware it's an unfinished still in beta form. I must just be using it wrong...

It's free. Nobody is making you pay for anything.
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While I personally don't mind, I think some people would raise privacy concerns of them scanning their library. Also, as some have mentioned above, some people don't properly keep tabs on their library and are missing a lot of things in their tags.

How on earth can people have privacy issues with Apple scanning their library of music?
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I agree with the analysis that Apple is not a social company. Steve Jobs is not social. He is a real good businessman and salesman. Apple doesn't know how to make a social community. They might be lucky with all their iTunes subscribers that make it work. Still I hate Facebook and thus I hate Ping. People can't be/act social to their neighbours but are trying to be social on the web. Being social is not only getting along with those that have the same interests, beliefs, culture, taste etc. But especially with those that are different. Plus the system of followers and being followed (leaders?) is such a narcissitic and self-centered system that the word social doesn't even fit the terms. Facebook is NOT a community. It doesn't help you out when your house burns down or when your children are ill. You cannot have a BBQ or a yard sale with them. If our youngsters learn facebook and ping to be a community I see a dark future for my kids. People are made to interact face to face in person. Not virtually.

Ping is fun, it's not going to replace people interacting anytime soon. Unless your living off the state.
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I don't know what "Apple is not a social company," is supposed to mean, but I do think they are not a web 2.0 company like Facebook or Google.

They should stop trying to be one (envy?). Actors want to be rock stars, rock stars want to be actors, ISPs want to be cable companies, computer companies want to be TV companies, hardware companies want to be software companies... the grass is always greener eh?
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Most user libraries are rife with outdated I D 3 tags or poorly maintained info. So, it would be a mess for this info to be included really. Apple would have to parse this info, correct, complete & reformat it. Many people have used outdated apps to import music, have not had Internet access to complete album info when importing, or have not maintained their libraries metadata. Plus, this would provide the R I A A with another means to identify potential P 2 P downloads & begin a new round of persecution. As we all know from the music industry's reliable, credible & independent data, nearly 100% of music on iPods is stolen. Of course, zune's are not included as their owners are honest & law abiding & they realize the damage that P 2 P can create

Cheers !

I can totally imagine all the Apple Is Teh Evil 11!!11 hardcore complaints that would come out if Apple analyzed your entire music library. That is a bloody minefield.
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