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post #41 of 90
I love the irony that a CEO of a Windows based platform uses the term 'virus' in conjunction with Apple!
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post #42 of 90
hahah, true. Deliciously ironic.
post #43 of 90
So this is an example of the free market promoting the best brightest to their lofty perches. No wonder the golden parachute is a must have for any CEO. It seems ass-clown failure is a given for 99% of them.
post #44 of 90
A year back I needed a small, light computer that could be part of my carry on when I flew (no checked luggage) and my MacBook Pro didn't fit the bill.

The MacBook Air was just too expensive for me, so I checked reviews of netbooks. They were all underpowered, cramped keyboards, choked when running a few apps, etc.

Then I found reviews for the Acer Timeline 1810TZ (trips right off the tongue, doesn't it?). It's an ultraportable with 12 inch screen, full-size keyboard, dual core 1.3Gh, etc.

Now, it doesn't hold a candle to my MacBook Pro or the MacBook Air I've tried out in the Apple store. But for my travel needs it's "good enough," just as Windows 7 is "good enough." It always works, the OS never crashes, and I'm able to get my work done. The red one I have also looks kinda cute for a PC.

Now every other Acer I've ever seen looks like crap and is way under-specced, but I think they got it right with this one.

Whether they can compete in the tablet space against the iPad which is already aggressively priced is a whole other question.
post #45 of 90
So lets think a moment about the virus thing....

A virus injects its genetic material into a host cell. And then lets the poor infected cell do its manufacturing. The cell does not realise it is just making copies of the alien virus. The virus gets its duplication done for free.

This is *exactly* what Microsoft and Android's business model is. They inject their Software DNA into a hardware manufacturer, and let them do the duplication for free. The manufacturers are stupid enough to think that they are making products, when what they are in fact doing is investing all their efforts in another companies business model.

In the case of Windows, the manufacturers PAY Microsoft for the priveledge to do this.

What happens next is tragic. These manufacturers churn out devices that are virtually indistinguishable. They are genuinely clones because they all share the same software DNA. The market is swamped with identical commodity products.

The only way to compete is to lower price. And margins are slashed.

When a virus infects a cell, it ends badly. Ultimately, the cell bursts when it overwhelmed by all the virus copies it makes. It explodes.

We are seeing the same thing happening in technology. Companies falling over themselves to make the most devices, while year on year their profit per device gets less and less. Until...

pop.

C.
post #46 of 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViktorCode;

Google: Apple officially allowed us to make more money from their platform. How good they are!

Intel: Apple didnt give us chance to make some money on TV market. Bad Apple! Good thing we have Google.

Acer: Year ago we were selling tons of cheap plastic abominations called netbooks. Now Apple came and spoiled all the fun. How nasty of them! Should find some knock-off tablet and make cheap plastic clones of it

Adobe: We still can milk Flash cash cow!

This is what they really are saying.

Best post of the week.
post #47 of 90
Nice one.

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Originally Posted by Carniphage;

So lets think a moment about the virus thing....

A virus injects its genetic material into a host cell. And then lets the poor infected cell do its manufacturing. The cell does not realise it is just making copies of the alien virus. The virus gets its duplication done for free.

This is *exactly* what Microsoft and Android's business model is. They inject their Software DNA into a hardware manufacturer, and let them do the duplication for free. The manufacturers are stupid enough to think that they are making products, when what they are in fact doing is investing all their efforts in another companies business model.

In the case of Windows, the manufacturers PAY Microsoft for the priveledge to do this.

What happens next is tragic. These manufacturers churn out devices that are virtually indistinguishable. They are genuinely clones because they all share the same software DNA. The market is swamped with identical commodity products.

The only way to compete is to lower price. And margins are slashed.

When a virus infects a cell, it ends badly. Ultimately, the cell bursts when it overwhelmed by all the virus copies it makes. It explodes.

We are seeing the same thing happening in technology. Companies falling over themselves to make the most devices, while year on year their profit per device gets less and less. Until...

pop.

C.
post #48 of 90
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Originally Posted by TheGreatBug View Post

Morons always believe that. They're always wrong.

Amen!

"Open" makes sense for certain products (look at the awesome PHP, MySQL and Apache products), but not for others. In this cased, "closed" avoids crappy software and hundreds of branches. That's why Linux never will become an OS for the mass (even being great server OSes)
post #49 of 90
The fear (and jealousy) of Apple is palpable in the industry.

Acer = Shitbox-maker. Naturally, Apple spoiled their fun with superior products.

Love it!
post #50 of 90
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Originally Posted by dacloo View Post

Amen!

"Open" makes sense for certain products (look at the awesome PHP, MySQL and Apache products), but not for others. In this cased, "closed" avoids crappy software and hundreds of branches. That's why Linux never will become an OS for the mass (even being great server OSes)

Don't you mean massii? or is it massi?
post #51 of 90
Dear Acer,

Normal people couldn't care less about "open" or "closed". Only geeks who buy Acer products care about that. Real people just care about products that work.

Cheers
post #52 of 90
get to work designing, developing something NEW & Exciting, that works, is fun to use, doesn't crash, is fun to use, makes you cool, looks great, is priced right for what you get, is fun to use and have, and you to can be an Apple.

I'm always pissed (if only for a short time), when the competition gets a jump on me, or gets to a big client before me, but instead of being pissed (for a long time), I jump ahead of them and try to land the next big fish.

If you are always riding some ones shirt tails, you will always be behind, and pissed off.

It's time for these folks, to start working on the next big thing (hey, think 5 or more years down the road, and come out with it next year).

Hey, if you can't beat 'em, then either join them or come out with accessories for all of their great products, it's a way to make a good living.

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post #53 of 90
The Taiwanese cock is talking bullshih.
post #54 of 90
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

I love how everyone has latched onto this "open" policy and how they all think it represents their strategy. The only truly open strategy is where you build your own machine from scratch and install Linux on it.

As soon as you buy a machine with Windows on it, it's not open. As soon as you buy any branded hardware, it's not open because it will have some proprietary components inside that you have to replace from a limited source when it breaks.

This depends on what you mean by "from scratch". Nearly every part you buy, except maybe transistors and passives, and some small chips are going to have features that are proprietary. However, in the desktop realm, you can have open, where you plug in your choice OS with your choice power supply, case, your choice main board, add-in card, lots of interchangeable parts. You don't need to worry about replacing a Nat Semi chip when you just replace the board. The thing that vexed me when people say they "built" their own computer is that they didn't do much other than assemble a handful of prefabbed parts, it's like building your own trailer home, it's more like you installed it yourself, no soldering, hammering or nailing involved.

That said, most people don't do this. Some businesses do this, but what most really do is buy a truckload of computers, if a part happens to fail, the computer department can cannibalize a spare computer for that part, so open doesn't come into it.
post #55 of 90
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Originally Posted by teejaysplace24 View Post

My initial reaction is that you'd have to be insane to think that the iPad's market share will drop to 20-30 percent. What, exactly, does he think is going to supplant it?

Android Tablets.
WebOS Tablets.
Windows Tablets.
Symbian Tablets.
Nook.
Kindle.
New Stuff.

Apple will be lucky to get 20%. How's the phone percentage doing these days?
post #56 of 90
Acer is I believe a Tawainese company and is jealous of Apple's progress and better construction and concepts than Acer has. Their construction with their laptops is mediocre. Financially Apple puts them in the dust.
post #57 of 90
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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

How about usability?

Yes, everyone wants that. And capability is a subset of usability. Apple seems to sacrifice capability for simplicity.

It matters not how simple it is if its capabilities are eliminated.
post #58 of 90
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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

My Acer has a virus. A serious one too

Clean it out. Shouldn't take much more than 10 minutes.

Which crappy AV software do you use? You likely want to switch to something that works better.

And stop downloading crap from dodgy sources.

Most people never get a virus from year to year. It is a matter of common sense and hygiene.
post #59 of 90
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Originally Posted by krabbelen View Post

The ultimate simplicity is to have complete access to your media from any of your devices]


That is one of my biggest reservations about iOS devices: They have lousy codec support and as a result, I have no access to my media from them.

This ruins any simplicity advantages.
post #60 of 90
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

If he was quoted accurately, the Acer guy deserves a comedy writing award.

Where in any market they've ever attempted to engage in has Apple garnered a majority market share?

I guess "the Acer guy" just doesn't have the insight you do. The readers here look forward to learning of these majority markets Apple dominates.
post #61 of 90
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post


We are seeing the same thing happening in technology. Companies falling over themselves to make the most devices, while year on year their profit per device gets less and less. Until...



Tell you what. You found and build a multi-billion dollar international manufacturing firm like Dell or Acer, and then you'll be in a position to criticize their management.

Until then, you are as silly as those folks who tell Steve how to run his company.
post #62 of 90
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Dear Acer,

Normal people couldn't care less about "open" or "closed". Only geeks who buy Acer products care about that. Real people just care about products that work.

Cheers


C'mon. That is just plain silly in the era of Steve crowing about HTML 5.

You seem to have your memes mixed up. These days, Apple fans should act as if they care about open standards. It is the official stance of Apple fans.
post #63 of 90
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Originally Posted by dacloo View Post

That's why Linux never will become an OS for the mass (even being great server OSes)

Nor Mac, if you're listening only to Windows fanboys.

Meanwhile, millions feel differently:
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09...he-1-myth.html
post #64 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Tell you what. You found and build a multi-billion dollar international manufacturing firm like Dell or Acer, and then you'll be in a position to criticize their management.

Until then, you are as silly as those folks who tell Steve how to run his company.

+1 Insightful

We see an inverse proportion between the certainty presented in posts on how other people should run their companies and the size of the company owned by the poster.
post #65 of 90
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

get to work designing, developing something NEW & Exciting, that works, is fun to use, doesn't crash, is fun to use, makes you cool, looks great, is priced right for what you get, is fun to use and have, and you to can be an Apple.


How about a well-priced machine that works great and runs 99% of all the software out there?


The other crtiteria you use, NEW, Exciting, fun, cool, looks, fun, are unimportant to the utility of the item, and therefore are unimportant to the vast majority of computer buyers.

That is a big reason why Apple sells so few computers.
post #66 of 90
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Where in any market they've ever attempted to engage in has Apple garnered a majority market share?.

Personal Media Players.

Certainly not computers or Smartphones!
post #67 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Clean it out. Shouldn't take much more than 10 minutes.

Which crappy AV software do you use? You likely want to switch to something that works better.

And stop downloading crap from dodgy sources.

Most people never get a virus from year to year. It is a matter of common sense and hygiene.

The ten minutes you refer to is understated a wee bit, it's like ten minutes every day of the damn PC's life or perhaps more. The hours wasted waiting for updates, the slowness of mail as everything is parsed ... in the life time of a PC with the " common sense and hygiene" you suggest you could have written War and Peace on a Mac!

BTW, you are not Blackintosh are you?
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post #68 of 90
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

The ten minutes you refer to is understated a wee bit, it's like ten minutes every day of the damn PC's life or perhaps more.

Again, what crappy brand of AV software do you use? I just set it and forget it, and I haven't had a virus in years.

Ten minutes a day? WTF?

Try AVG. Its free and it works for me.

Of course, I also exercise common sense, which goes far in avoiding infections. For example, I am careful about who's mouth I put my tongue into, and I am careful to only install software that either has been obtained from vetted sources or which has been scanned first.

This stuff is not so hard.
post #69 of 90
I remember Acer well from the 80's. At my first job they got an Acer PC clone and it was junk then and their products are junk now. They just bought up a bunch of brands that once had some respect int he PC market and people don't realize that they were bought up. Gateway and Packard Bell. eMachines is theirs also, the bargain basement of PCs. I have a Gateway that I got cheep refurbed and it is OK (underpowered), but I run it as a Hackintoch. Otherwise they make crap under so many labels no one knows who makes it.
post #70 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Will that strategy work in the long term, with a generation who used computers before they could read? Do they want simplicity or capability?

i don't know about you, but if i'm going to buy a piece of tech, it has to have BOTH.

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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Agree. The transition to a pervasive IP TV will be a protracted process because the cable co's will not lay down and die without a fight. They are becoming redundant middlemen and will eventually whither.

technically, iTunes and appleTV rental models are redundant to the cable companies... still, i would rather have a-la carte options from my middleman, be it U-verse, FiOS, iTunes, or ComCrap.

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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

They will want simplicity and capability.

absolutely, and i think this is where Apple TV will win out IF the content providers can get out from under the cable companies... which may happen by 2090.

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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

C'mon. That is just plain silly in the era of Steve crowing about HTML 5..

SJ and Apple praise HTML 5 to anyone who will attend conferences or read open letters on websites [like readers of blogs such as this]... BUT you won't see a 30 second TV spot for HTML 5, the big bucks are spent on marketing simplicity to the technophobes. that's where the $$$ is.
post #71 of 90
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

If Apples are mutant viruses, then Acers are the common strain readily blocked through vaccination.

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post #72 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Again, what crappy brand of AV software do you use? I just set it and forget it, and I haven't had a virus in years.

Ten minutes a day? WTF?

Try AVG. Its free and it works for me.

Of course, I also exercise common sense, which goes far in avoiding infections. For example, I am careful about who's mouth I put my tongue into, and I am careful to only install software that either has been obtained from vetted sources or which has been scanned first.

This stuff is not so hard.

AVG sometimes messes up too. I've seen AVG regularly take 12+ hours to do a scan on my parent's computer. I've since fixed that, but it shouldn't have been necessary. A year or so ago, version 8.0 was a mess, I was about to switch everything to something else, though I only switched a couple computers away.

It's not just about being careful about what software to install, or worrying about its provenance. A lot of times malware comes from reputable sites that have been hacked, they exploit vulnerabilities in the browser to prevent the user from knowing about what it's doing.
post #73 of 90
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Originally Posted by Not_Sure View Post

Yeah. Coming from a guy with a PhD in microbiology, the field says viruses....fungus on the other hand becomes fungi.

That's because 'funguses' doesn't work with the joke.
post #74 of 90
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

AVG sometimes messes up too. I've seen AVG regularly take 12+ hours to do a scan on my parent's computer. I've since fixed that, but it shouldn't have been necessary.

It's not just about being careful about what software to install, or worrying about its provenance. A lot of times malware comes from reputable sites that have been hacked, they exploit vulnerabilities in the browser to prevent the user from knowing about what it's doing.

Drive by downloads are a major source of malware/spyware/adware infection on Windows these days, and antivirus won't in most cases protect.
post #75 of 90
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Where in any market they've ever attempted to engage in has Apple garnered a majority market share?

I guess "the Acer guy" just doesn't have the insight you do. The readers here look forward to learning of these majority markets Apple dominates.

Easy question, already answered by someone else. But it was an irrelevant question. If Mr. Acer is going to tell us that his business is a working definition of "open" then perhaps he should explain how doing nothing more than being one of the world's largest Windows resellers conforms to that definition. Or maybe you could give it a try. Good luck.
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post #76 of 90
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

+1 Insightful

I love it when the trolls find each other insightful.
post #77 of 90
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

A lot of times malware comes from reputable sites that have been hacked, they exploit vulnerabilities in the browser to prevent the user from knowing about what it's doing.

Can you give 3 examples?

I am unaware of a single instance of malware coming from reputable sites where the user is unable to detect anything.

If it happens a lot of times, 3 good examples should be easy.
post #78 of 90
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Drive by downloads are a major source of malware/spyware/adware infection on Windows these days, and antivirus won't in most cases protect.

Can you give 3 good examples of this phenomenon?
post #79 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Can you give 3 good examples of this phenomenon?

Can you give 3 good examples of intelligent posts you've made? Hint: that wasn't one.
post #80 of 90
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Can you give 3 examples?

I am unaware of a single instance of malware coming from reputable sites where the user is unable to detect anything.

If it happens a lot of times, 3 good examples should be easy.

Bank of America's web site was hacked for a few days. DSLR news shooter and the Celestial Waste of Bandwidth was hacked too.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/di...-to-infect-PCs

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security...cked-39642693/

The last article was example of a propaganda hack though, the DNS for several sites was hijacked for political aims, but if their aim was profit, then it wouldn't have been any harder to do.
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