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Apple plans to extend FaceTime video chat beyond the latest iPhone and iPod touch, bringing compatibility with both Macs and PCs, according to a new rumor.

French Apple site Mac4Ever reported Friday (Google translation) that Apple is working on FaceTime clients for both Mac and PC. The site claimed that the Mac version of FaceTime will be built in to its existing iChat software.

In addition, the site reiterated its belief that a new version of iLife will debut soon without iDVD. The site reported in July that a 64-bit version of iLife '11 would include a new "mystery" application in the place of iDVD. It also claimed the iLife update would arrive in August, which was incorrect.

iLife is, however, due for an update. The last update, iLife '09, launched in January of 2009, with major upgrades to all of its applications, including the Faces and Places features in iPhoto, and the addition of the Precision Editor to iMovie.

FaceTime is an open standard for video chat introduced by Apple this summer. Its first compatible device was the iPhone 4, which has a forward facing video camera.

The new iPod touch unveiled last week also sports a camera for FaceTime, which allows for video calls over Wi-Fi.

Apple plans to open up FaceTime to third parties for development, allowing compatibility with non-Apple devices. This summer, Chief Executive Steve Jobs said that FaceTime will be on tens of millions of devices shipped in 2010.
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Inevitable
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Skype is somehow deficient?
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Inevitable maybe, but great news.

Now we need the holy grail - full integration with the windows live servers so we can video chat to msn users on windows - without them needing to download more software.

The lack of video integration between windows live messenger/MSN for mac and windows is a major factor for a lot of younger people considering the switch. If msn integrates facetime, another obstacle is removed.

Would be very welcome news, however unlikely. I've completely given up on messenger for mac - it's a mess and it's years behind windows live messenger.
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Skype is somehow deficient?

Nope, but what does that have to do with anything?

There are many options available, all of them locked down/proprietary - i'd like to see all of the existing providers incorporate the new facetime standard so that skype users can video chat to msn users and aol, yahoo chat etc. etc...
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Nothing new here folks.... move along....
Anyone could have started the "rumor" that FaceTime is coming to the computer end of it...
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Between skype, gmail, ustream, tinychat, AOL, iChat, how is this any different than any of the other video chat services already out there? I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?
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Between skype, gmail, ustream, tinychat, AOL, iChat, how is this any different than any of the other video chat services already out there? I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

Because at the moment, all of those services used locked down servers and locked down transmission protocols, it's why the services are so disjointed, this has the potential to remove those barriers if adopted by the likes of skype, messenger etc.

Also allowing video chat between someone on a computer and someone on a cell phone is nothing to be sniffed at...
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Nothing new here folks.... move along....
Anyone could have started the "rumor" that FaceTime is coming to the computer end of it...

But this is the first time we've heard it's going to be built into iChat, rather than a new piece of software, and also the first time we've heard it's imminent... I've heard a lot of people say this was going to be a new feature in 10.7- it seems not. So quite a lot new here...

At least it makes a difference to the constant babble about iOS and the app store.
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Because at the moment, all of those services used locked down servers and locked down transmission protocols, it's why the services are so disjointed, this has the potential to remove those barriers if adopted by the likes of skype, messenger etc.

Also allowing video chat between someone on a computer and someone on a cell phone is nothing to be sniffed at...

For once we have an efficient system being offered up on a silver platter that will use well known protocols, use HTTP to easily traverse routers and firewalls, and be able to combine phones and PCs in a way that hasn’t before been possible, yet it’s being feared.

I honestly have no idea how people can look at an open and free option built on and open and free protocols, and not see how this isn’t a good thing for consumers. Especially after people make comments about the current fractured and closed systems that have plagued video chatting since its inception.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Because at the moment, all of those services used locked down servers and locked down transmission protocols, it's why the services are so disjointed, this has the potential to remove those barriers if adopted by the likes of skype, messenger etc.

Also allowing video chat between someone on a computer and someone on a cell phone is nothing to be sniffed at...

how is facetime not locked down? Skype won't let it's calls go through facetime, but the other services probably will
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how is facetime not locked down? Skype won't let it's calls go through facetime, but the other services probably will

Sype not using FaceTime because it will nagatviely affect its business model does not mean that FaceTime is locked down. If Skype, MS, Google, RiM, TiVo, any Android developer, etc. want to add FaceTime to their product they can. There is even word of Cisco adding it to future FlipHD phones with built-in WiFI.
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Originally Posted by rdjlexky View Post

Between skype, gmail, ustream, tinychat, AOL, iChat, how is this any different than any of the other video chat services already out there? I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

The main difference between facetime and those other services you mentioned is that since it's being released as an open standard would could possibly see phone and handset manufacturers in the future integrating it onto their devices. Even some of the services you listed might integrate it into their product. It has alot of potential.
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Between skype, gmail, ustream, tinychat, AOL, iChat, how is this any different than any of the other video chat services already out there? I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

I guess you could also argue "why is the iPod needed" when it was first introduced. After all, there other music players already in existence, so why should Apple bother.
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Skype is somehow deficient?

Yes, it is. It does not support video chat on the iPhone/iPad even through WiFi.

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Originally Posted by rdjlexky View Post

Between skype, gmail, ustream, tinychat, AOL, iChat, how is this any different than any of the other video chat services already out there? I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

Think about how many people will buy the iPhone 4 and iPod Touch, then think about the number of people they communicate with, and then think about how silly your post looks in light of those two numbers.
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I would hope so. It's pretty darn useless as it is right now.
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The lack of video integration between windows live messenger/MSN for mac and windows is a major factor for a lot of younger people considering the switch.

What decade are you refering to? "Younger" people have long abandoned email and IM. They text, facebook, tweet and on rare occaisions skype. They wont be a big facetime market because most of them dont have smartphones, and they dont want to even talk to each other on a phone let alone video chat.
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I look forward to Apple adding user friendly, built in options to look younger.
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What decade are you refering to? "Younger" people have long abandoned email and IM. They text, facebook, tweet and on rare occaisions skype. They wont be a big facetime market because most of them dont have smartphones, and they dont want to even talk to each other on a phone let alone video chat.


not even kids, probably most people under 40

my wife and i are on a family plan with her parents. they use 80% or more of the voice minutes. my wife and I use modern technology

the only time i use skype is to video call family in another state so they can see our son. and my inlaws want skype to call overseas for free with others who have skype. my mom uses it for free international calling but phone cards are so cheap these days it's not worth the trouble a lot of times
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Even though the iPad does not have a video camera it does have a microphone, so it would be nice to have VOIP via FaceTime for the iPad. Something is better than nothing.
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I have never been able to use the ichat because everyone I know has a hotmail including me, therefor I have never been able to use it. even if I am on a mac using ichat other person is using msn messenger and they dont support each other. FACETIME is great to be on every device. Waiting for it
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But this is the first time we've heard it's going to be built into iChat, rather than a new piece of software, and also the first time we've heard it's imminent... I've heard a lot of people say this was going to be a new feature in 10.7- it seems not. So quite a lot new here...

At least it makes a difference to the constant babble about iOS and the app store.

first time... hardly... the day Facetime was announced, the first question was, when is this getting built into iChatAV.

Thinking about it... Facetime replacing iChat makes more marketing sense, as it links the brand cachet of the iOS versions to the Mac platform (sell more macs). My mother knows nothing of Skype or AIM, but she knows iPhones and iPods (and she has a Mac, albeit a G5, likely not to run iLife 11).

Hence, I do think that it will be a new app, primarily to link it to the ITMS, where Apple registers all those email addresses, and it will be only on Intel platforms.

iChat may still evolve to be facetimable... but if they do keep it, my guess it will evolve into iWork as a 'business grade conferencing tool' ala webex, allowing functions like sharing/displaying desktops, etc.

As for the 10's of millions of devices, every iPhone 4, and iPodTouch (at what 4 million a month?) run Facetime. They don't need the Mac Platform to hit the 10's of millions number.


Question is, will Facetime for Windows/MacOSX be monetizable through iAd?
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What decade are you refering to? "Younger" people have long abandoned email and IM. They text, facebook, tweet and on rare occaisions skype. They wont be a big facetime market because most of them dont have smartphones, and they dont want to even talk to each other on a phone let alone video chat.

The generation 13 - 21 - they live on messenger and facebook - don't kid yourself. Every kid i know has an iPod touch, so they're gonna have facetime and they're gonna use it.
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Makes way too much sense for Apple to actually do so.
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What decade are you refering to? "Younger" people have long abandoned email and IM. They text, facebook, tweet and on rare occaisions skype. They wont be a big facetime market because most of them dont have smartphones, and they dont want to even talk to each other on a phone let alone video chat.

While I agree that the assumptions of the person you were replying to are out of date, you are making a lot of sweeping assumptions yourself here.

IME, lots and lots of "kids" have smartphones, and many more use them than they use traditional desktop computers of any kind. I work at a major University, and this semester, if you don't have an iPhone your essentially nobody, but the penetration of the devices was huge even two years ago. Those that don't have an iPhone have a Blackberry (especially the young girls w/long nails), and most of the kids in both these categories use email, not IM or text.

I'm ancient by comparison but when I use Facebook on my iPhone on the bus, I can tell you I get more rolled eyes from the "kids" than I do smiles. I've also been told several times by these same kids that Facebook is already "over," unless you are a 30-40 something housewife or some kind of hipster techie still rocking a soul patch.
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first time... hardly... the day Facetime was announced, the first question was, when is this getting built into iChatAV.

Thinking about it... Facetime replacing iChat makes more marketing sense, as it links the brand cachet of the iOS versions to the Mac platform (sell more macs). My mother knows nothing of Skype or AIM, but she knows iPhones and iPods (and she has a Mac, albeit a G5, likely not to run iLife 11).

Hence, I do think that it will be a new app, primarily to link it to the ITMS, where Apple registers all those email addresses, and it will be only on Intel platforms.

iChat may still evolve to be facetimable... but if they do keep it, my guess it will evolve into iWork as a 'business grade conferencing tool' ala webex, allowing functions like sharing/displaying desktops, etc.

As for the 10's of millions of devices, every iPhone 4, and iPodTouch (at what 4 million a month?) run Facetime. They don't need the Mac Platform to hit the 10's of millions number.


Question is, will Facetime for Windows/MacOSX be monetizable through iAd?

My questions are:
Will it part of iChat or a new app?
Will they jump on making a Windows versions out of the gate, which would help push adoption among users on two fronts? A Windows version makes a lot of sense if they want this to get adopted quickly, but Apple has a knack of starting small and building out steadily and slowly so anyones guess on that front.
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While I agree that the assumptions of the person you were replying to are out of date, you are making a lot of sweeping assumptions yourself here.

IME, lots and lots of "kids" have smartphones, and many more use them than they use traditional desktop computers of any kind. I work at a major University, and this semester, if you don't have an iPhone your essentially nobody, but the penetration of the devices was huge even two years ago. Those that don't have an iPhone have a Blackberry (especially the young girls w/long nails), and most of the kids in both these categories use email, not IM or text.

I'm ancient by comparison but when I use Facebook on my iPhone on the bus, I can tell you I get more rolled eyes from the "kids" than I do smiles. I've also been told several times by these same kids that Facebook is already "over," unless you are a 30-40 something housewife or some kind of hipster techie still rocking a soul patch.

so what is the new thing that replaced facebook?

email is OK for kids but once they graduate facebook is easier to keep in touch with than using email
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I just hope I don't have to register yet another online identity (login and password).
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But this is the first time we've heard it's going to be built into iChat, rather than a new piece of software, and also the first time we've heard it's imminent... I've heard a lot of people say this was going to be a new feature in 10.7- it seems not. So quite a lot new here...

At least it makes a difference to the constant babble about iOS and the app store.

Wasn't there a rumour about a new iLife piece? New chat tool that uses Facetime?

Although it doesn't seem worthy of an iLife suite now that I think of it.
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so what is the new thing that replaced facebook?

email is OK for kids but once they graduate facebook is easier to keep in touch with than using email

I'd love to think that, but i still get these people how insist on emailing through facebook instead of just emailing me directly; and my friends and I are middle aged people (35-50); just plain annoying.

Facetime for Mac (hopefully) should be integrated (or replace) the current chat OSX already has. That would make things smoother. I still don't understand why the current chat program for OSX isn't part of the standard Apps for the iPhone/touch...would make a heck of a lot of sense to me.
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My questions are:
Will it part of iChat or a new app?
Will they jump on making a Windows versions out of the gate, which would help push adoption among users on two fronts? A Windows version makes a lot of sense if they want this to get adopted quickly, but Apple has a knack of starting small and building out steadily and slowly so anyones guess on that front.

I would assume getting a Windows version out ASAP would be very beneficial. I know what you mean about Apple often starting small and building, but Facetime being an open standard will count for nothing if nobody else adopts it, and nobody else will adopt it unless it has the critical mass to make it worthwhile.....

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
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I look forward to Apple adding user friendly, built in options to look younger.

You jest, but I think one of the big problems in current video communications apps is the fact that the cameras must be so wide angle, it distorts people's faces, spreading out their noses and mouths and making the outer areas smaller, which frequently results in making it look like one has less hair or a recessed chin. A company that solves that problem will really have something. No one wants to look bad on camera.

As for FaceTime, while I can see the advantages of using a standardized protocol and an advantage of being able to go computer to phone and vice-versa, for reasons I don't quite understand, it seems to me that people have pretty much abandoned IM, which also worked cross-platform and also supported live video (at least Apple's iChat version did). I probably haven't had five iChat video conversations in the last ten years. So what is there about FaceTime that would cause people to start using IM or its equivalent again? People, especially young people, seem to prefer to text rather than IM, not that there's all that much difference at a user level, especially from a phone.
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I would hope so. It's pretty darn useless as it is right now.

Exactly. It's not Apple's fault it can't be used on 3G networks, but right now not that many people own iPhone4s anyway. What it really needs is the ability to hook up with the millions who already use iChat and iSight-enabled computers for video chatting.
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Skype is somehow deficient?

Skype is proprietary and closed. If FaceTime is truely open, it will trump Skype in my books.
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I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

I don't want an "otherwise". I'm on extended business travel, and can't install Skype on my locked-down, webcam-less work laptop. I have an iPhone 4, but my wife is still under contract on her 3G. If only there was sone way to do a video call between my phone and our MacBook so I could see her and our baby...

Unfortunately, I'll probably be done with the trip before sub things are released.
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I presume that it'll allow chats between someone at a computer and an iPhone/iPod, but otherwise, how is this needed?

Yes, but why downplay your own presumption? You don't think this is a big deal?

Since Facetime is going open, this will allow video chat between any computer and any device that decides to use Facetime. And since Android is open at its core, you can expect to see Facetime-enabled apps on Android phones shortly after the protocol is made available.

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What decade are you refering to? "Younger" people have long abandoned email and IM. They text, facebook, tweet and on rare occaisions skype. They wont be a big facetime market because most of them dont have smartphones, and they dont want to even talk to each other on a phone let alone video chat.

Uhm, where have you been? you don't need a smartphone to use facetime anymore. A good percentage of the "younger" people have or will now buy the iPod touch and then they can use facetime to their hearts content. Facetime is gonna blow up in the coming months....
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I still don't get why Apple didn't use iChat for all of this. Great name, and the video capability is already there. iChat for the iPhone would have been a great name and already recognized. FaceTime? not so much. "iChat me" vs "facetime me".
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