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post #41 of 248
I'm of the opinion after years of watching and being involved in the tech industry that people who make forecasts on the technology market that are 4 years into the future are either mad, stupid or both.
post #42 of 248
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

The iPhone is already on multiple carriers in most countries it's available. The big one of course where it isn't is the US. Even if (or I should say when) it goes multiple carrier here, Android is still going to outsell it. It won't be about carrier availability but quantity of models. Gazillion Android models to 1.

The number of models doesn't translate into sales. Look at Creative. They had a couple of dozen mp3 players out, but it didn't help them be successful.

One reason why people have been buying Android phones on other carriers is because the iPhone wasn't available, according to several surveys. We'll see.
post #43 of 248
apple needs to innovate some hardware feature that closely integrates with the os to accentuate the hardware and software fragmentation inherent in the android platform.
post #44 of 248
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Originally Posted by Vatdoro View Post

Gartner is way off on this one.

First off, I'm still a little skeptical Android has sold so many phones this year. I just don't see the phones. Everyone in my work, church, neighborhood, everywhere I go, people are using iPhones. I hardly ever see someone using an Android phone. It seems very strange to me. Where are all these supposed Android phones in the wild?

I have the exact opposite view that you do. Everyone around me are starting to replace their phones with an Android device of some sort. Kind of odd, but most of the ones I come across have Droids.

I've only seen a few people at work with iPhone 4s (the rest with iPhones seem to be holding onto the 3GS) and only a few of my friends upgraded to them.
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post #45 of 248
And FoxNews has more viewers, doesn't make them an actual news channel.
post #46 of 248
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's easy to try to play off anyone who thinks that Apple is doing the right thing as being a rabid fanboy. I suppose you are an Android rabid fanboy then as you're defending them. All you're doing is bringing the conversation down to a worthless level. If you're going to continue to troll in that way, I suggest you do it somewhere else.

I am not an Android fanboy, I don't have an Android phone. I am an Apple guy, I have nearly everything Apple makes. I am high functioning with the iPhone for the most part because I live in an area that has reasonable coverage with ATT. But I'm not stubborn enough to think the whole earth has the same experience.

The topic of this thread is who is going to ship more phones. I suggest opening the phone up to other carriers to increase sales. That doesn't make me a troll. It makes me a smart person. Do you disagree? Well, then you are a poor businessman and by definition, an Apple fanboi.

Lastly it is not your business to tell me or anyone to "do it somewhere else." You don't own this forum and neither do I. If you don't like my opinion, explain to me WHY I am wrong. Stop being so self absorbed in your opinions that you have no tolerance for anyone else.

I honestly don't know how you fanboys live with yourselves. You are such tech bigots.
post #47 of 248
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Well, I for one care a bit more about Gartner's projections than your projections.

Got anything behind your analysis that beats the data Gartner relied upon?

what about oracle lawsuit re android?
not to mention google saying android is going away (merge with Chrome OS)? does he count chrome os as = android?
waaaay too up on the air right now to make these 2014 predictions seems to me.
i disagree with him about windows phone percentage i think it will increase not decrease. just MY hunch.
post #48 of 248
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

I am not talking about every business enterprise. I am talking about Apple.

OK - so "Yes and No - profits are important but to think that profit is the only driver for Apple... etc"
post #49 of 248
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

I am confident you will see at least some deflection on the part of the HW makers from Android to WP7.

I agree. Android/Google has more to fear from a successful WP7 than Apple does. Why? Microsoft and Google are using the same hardware vendors, and - it seems to me - that Microsoft is already trying to make things uncomfortable for them to use Android.

MS strong-armed HTC and now they pay MS royalties on every Android phone they produce. And MS did a deal with Verizon to wipe Google search off of the Samsung Fascinate Android phone. Both of these things I find hilarious.

And if history is any indicator, they're just starting to apply the pressure. If WP7 is even a medium success, MS has the money and resources to have all the hardware vendors shouting uncle very shortly.
post #50 of 248
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

This is the fanboi's response. Unfortunately this is probably the attitude in the board room at Apple. And this attitude will bite the Apple's ass in a really big way.

One really easy way to increase iPhone sales is to...get ready, you knew someone was gonna bring this up...open the phone to other carriers. The public wants it, it will make everyone money and it's a good business decision.

But when you have a CEO with an ego as big as the North American continent you just don't do that. And if your a rabid fanboi you support that decision.

So live with the results.

You reckon Jobs and company are like you, you reckon they are not afraid of the competition, Apple is a business entity and a very fierce competitor and not worried about changing rules and plans to beat their competition.

You reckon they will lie down and die and not fight every inch of the way.

You are dead wrong, people are buying the iPhones and I have not seen 1 android phone in the wild.

In spite of the ego and stuffs people are still flocking to buy the iOS family of products because they represent quality.

As for the results I am not sure what you are referring to if it is the projection - in other words a pipe dream. Come back in 4 years, we will see who is ahead and making real money it wouldn't be goog.
post #51 of 248
Seriously this group (Gartner) is wrong so often why do they matter. I think they just tell their control groups what the want to hear and the sheep follow.
post #52 of 248
I can't believe the level of defensiveness and hostility in this thread. So what if Android will be double iOS? 130 million is still a nice, big figure. That's all that matters. I don't care if iOS is still number one just like it doesn't matter to me that Windows still has by far the largest market share. As long as iOS survives and thrives, then everything is just fine by me. If Android is bigger, good for them. I know what I like and what I'll continue to use.
post #53 of 248
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The number of models doesn't translate into sales. Look at Creative. They had a couple of dozen mp3 players out, but it didn't help them be successful.

One reason why people have been buying Android phones on other carriers is because the iPhone wasn't available, according to several surveys. We'll see.

i agree, most went with android cuz there wasn't much else worth a dang. i bet a lot would switch if they could.
post #54 of 248
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

just MY hunch.

Fair enough.
post #55 of 248
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

OK - so "Yes and No - profits are important but to think that profit is the only driver for Apple... etc"

I never said "Yes and No".

I am trying very hard to stay on-topic, however.
post #56 of 248
Well, the Symbian prediction is obviously utter nonsense, but suggests strongly that Nokia paid for this "study". Gartner have always been the worst "research" whores in the business.
post #57 of 248
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Well, the Symbian prediction is obviously utter nonsense,

Have you examined their data and methodology? If not, how can you make conclusions about the validity of their predictions?
post #58 of 248
I'll admit right off that I haven't read more than the headline of this post, but come on - Apple has three products a year that use iOS (iPad, iPhone, iPod touch) with the focus on mainly the iPhone. One product. Google and Nokia ship their OS on many, many more devices than that. If they're being at all competitive I'd hope they'd sell more devices running their OS.

It's unfair to compare iPhone to Android. That's comparing a phone to an OS. To be fair and present the most accurate picture comparisons need to be made between like things.
post #59 of 248
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

Maybe Apple should start releasing more than one iPhone model a year and go the Samsung route with Galaxy S. Different iPhone flavors. Doubt it'll happen but just a thought.

They already have different iPhone flavors....
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4

iTouch old models
iTouch new models with camera

iPad
iPad3G

All of these running Apple IOS

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post #60 of 248
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Originally Posted by JustReelFilms View Post

Android is to Windows, iOS is to Mac OSX.
Cheaper devices vs Premium devices
Quantity vs Quality

etc, etc.

You can get an iPhone 4 for the same price as an Incredible or Droid X. So cheaper devices isn't the issue, or at least not the main one. If Apple could dominate the true high end of the smart phone market and relegate Android to cheapo phones that can be given away for free with a contract, Apple would be in pretty good shape. But that's not what is happening.
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Originally Posted by yensid98 View Post

I'll admit right off that I haven't read more than the headline of this post, but come on - Apple has three products a year that use iOS (iPad, iPhone, iPod touch) with the focus on mainly the iPhone. One product. Google and Nokia ship their OS on many, many more devices than that. If they're being at all competitive I'd hope they'd sell more devices running their OS.

It's unfair to compare iPhone to Android. That's comparing a phone to an OS. To be fair and present the most accurate picture comparisons need to be made between like things.

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The research firm said on Friday it believes that both Symbian and Android will account for 59.8 percent of all mobile OS sales by the year 2014. It sees Apple's iOS, which powers the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch, coming in third place with a market share of 14.9 percent.

Umm...the title of the thread says the article's comparing iOS to Android. OS to OS. And the paragraph above even acknowledges that iOS runs on the iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch.
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post #62 of 248
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Originally Posted by AdamC View Post

You reckon Jobs and company are like you, you reckon they are not afraid of the competition, Apple is a business entity and a very fierce competitor and not worried about changing rules and plans to beat their competition.

You reckon they will lie down and die and not fight every inch of the way.

You are dead wrong, people are buying the iPhones and I have not seen 1 android phone in the wild.

In spite of the ego and stuffs people are still flocking to buy the iOS family of products because they represent quality.

As for the results I am not sure what you are referring to if it is the projection - in other words a pipe dream. Come back in 4 years, we will see who is ahead and making real money it wouldn't be goog.

I agree that Apple isn't going to take the competition lying down. The recent developments to clarify app store policies, the move to more carriers, and the continued innovation in phone hardware and software are all signs of that. But you really haven't seen an Android phone in the wild? That's hard to believe. I see them everywhere.
post #63 of 248
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

The iPhone is already on multiple carriers in most countries it's available. The big one of course where it isn't is the US. Even if (or I should say when) it goes multiple carrier here, Android is still going to outsell it. It won't be about carrier availability but quantity of models. Gazillion Android models to 1.

Massive hole in your reasoning here. Android isn't outselling the iPhone internationally (where it is available on multiple carriers), so how can you conclude that it will outsell the iPhone in the US when the iPhone becomes available on multiple carriers in the US?

That's not to say that Android won't outsell iOS internationally, especially considering that it will be present in the budget market that Apple won't tread in, but we'll have to wait and see.
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post #64 of 248
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Well, I for one care a bit more about Gartner's projections than your projections.

Got anything behind your analysis that beats the data Gartner relied upon?

Just common sense. By my estimate - that carries as much weight as any projections of any sort of any financial nature coming out of the US these days...
post #65 of 248
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

You can get an iPhone 4 for the same price as an Incredible or Droid X. So cheaper devices isn't the issue, or at least not the main one. If Apple could dominate the true high end of the smart phone market and relegate Android to cheapo phones that can be given away for free with a contract, Apple would be in pretty good shape. But that's not what is happening.

What I see happening is that Apple will retain their "premium" status and grab the top-most portion of the market. And because of Android's flexibility, it will take over mostly everything else, while at the same time will include phones that can compete on the iPhone's level.
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post #66 of 248
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Well, the Symbian prediction is obviously utter nonsense, but suggests strongly that Nokia paid for this "study". Gartner have always been the worst "research" whores in the business.

agreed.

Android is also the business model they are used to, and they just don't grok Apple. Never have.

Nokia Symbian? hardly. Yes, handsets will be huge, but profits? compelling experience?

Apple and Google are the only players (maybe microsoft, but they are out of the game) that can build the wholistic experience. Google is years behind apple in a cohesive market, but is making up for that by establishing themselves on every carrier and every format. But in the end, Android will always be about DIY/tinkerers, and Apple is selling to $$ carrying consumers. Nokia, all about volume, Microsoft, who knows what they are about.

The curious thing is the dissing of RIMM. Like Microsoft, they own the corporate handset world. Displacing the BES investment at major corps will take longer than 4 years.

And personally, I think apple would be quite happy at 4th place among all phone HW vendors with 10-20% of the total phone market. By that time that will be over 100million phones a year. And the iPhone halo will sell iPads and iPods and Macs apps and services , thank you very much. Google will get their ad impressions, and maybe sell a few corp sales to Google Apps. What will Nokia get with their market share?

And that in itself, is why I think Nokia will only be able to compete on pricing volumes, and eventually, become the Dell of cell phones.
post #67 of 248
This is the stupid response.
Apple in most countries outside of the USA (and believe me there are many countries outside of the USA) - already resell the iphone to all carriers in the country. Aust, NZ and Europe being the obvious examples (obvious to this fanboi anyway).
I still think that the fundamental logic remains behind what I said - apple's pitch is for a unified experience - and they deliver that limited pitch well - numbers of carriers notwithstanding.

What is your actual point anyway - apart from just writing the word fanboi down...?



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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

This is the fanboi's response. Unfortunately this is probably the attitude in the board room at Apple. And this attitude will bite the Apple's ass in a really big way.

One really easy way to increase iPhone sales is to...get ready, you knew someone was gonna bring this up...open the phone to other carriers. The public wants it, it will make everyone money and it's a good business decision.

But when you have a CEO with an ego as big as the North American continent you just don't do that. And if your a rabid fanboi you support that decision.

So live with the results.
post #68 of 248
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Originally Posted by cggr View Post

Just common sense. By my estimate - that carries as much weight as any projections of any sort of any financial nature coming out of the US these days...

Fair enough. But by the estimations of the smart money, things may differ. Likely they weigh things other than your estimates a bit more heavily.
post #69 of 248
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

I never said "Yes and No".

I am trying very hard to stay on-topic, however.

Huh? That was MY reply - I responded by saying Yes and No - I agree and I disagree with your (original) statement.
post #70 of 248
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Originally Posted by AdamC View Post

You reckon Jobs and company are like you, you reckon they are not afraid of the competition, Apple is a business entity and a very fierce competitor and not worried about changing rules and plans to beat their competition.

You reckon they will lie down and die and not fight every inch of the way.

You are dead wrong, people are buying the iPhones and I have not seen 1 android phone in the wild.

In spite of the ego and stuffs people are still flocking to buy the iOS family of products because they represent quality.

As for the results I am not sure what you are referring to if it is the projection - in other words a pipe dream. Come back in 4 years, we will see who is ahead and making real money it wouldn't be goog.

Who said Apple doesn't compete? I didn't.

I'm dead wrong? Gee, I've never heard that from anyone here before.

What does it mean that you have not seen one Android phone in the wild? Before I can respond I have to know what the heck you mean. "We will see who is ahead and making real money it wouldn't be goog. What is goog? Google?

I am not in favor of Apple beating goog out of business or the other way around. I like competition, as do most normal people.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple is projected to sell 130 million iOS-based mobile devices per year by 2014, but both Google Android and Nokia Symbian are expected to each double that amount, according to Gartner. ...

These stats are total BS. They aren't even worth arguing over.
post #72 of 248
Some analysts says the end of the world is in 2012
post #73 of 248
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Originally Posted by cggr View Post

This is the stupid response.
Apple in most countries outside of the USA (and believe me there are many countries outside of the USA) - already resell the iphone to all carriers in the country. Aust, NZ and Europe being the obvious examples (obvious to this fanboi anyway).
I still think that the fundamental logic remains behind what I said - apple's pitch is for a unified experience - and they deliver that limited pitch well - numbers of carriers notwithstanding.

What is your actual point anyway - apart from just writing the word fanboi down...?

My point is very simple. The iPhone has reached a saturation point. They are not going to sell a LOT more unless they open up to other carriers and try to rope in the fence sitters who don't want to be married to ATT for two years.

You called my response stupid. That's like calling me stupid. May I remind you that name calling is not allowed here. I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you.
post #74 of 248
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Apple's goal is to make as much profit as possible. Nothing else is a goal, but only a means to the goal of maximum profits. ...

This is completely inaccurate.

To the degree that this isn't just a easily spouted truism about business in general (which is false in and of itself), it's the exact opposite of how Apple is set up. If you really believe this, then you don't know anything at all about Apple and how they operate.
post #75 of 248
Don't tell me Apple is on the verge of collapse again. Doesn't this company ever get a rest from rivals trying to usurp its position. Exactly what company is making a whole lot of money from Android's rapid growth? Probably one company. HTC. That's it. Apple doesn't seem to be in any immediate financial danger so I'm not going to concern myself about the so-called Android threat.
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Some analysts says the end of the world is in 2012

Really?....someone should make a movie about it..........

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post #77 of 248
I agree that profits are more important than market share for Apple, but developers go were the customers are so Apple needs to maintain a decent market share to retain iOS developers in the future. Android apps may be poor in comparison to iOS apps right now but we all know that they will get better and Nokia will eventually get it's act together with apps.

IMO Apple needs more than one iPhone device to cater for 'premium' and 'regular' customers if they want to maintain their market share long term. In a sense they are already doing that by keeping the iPhone 3GS on sale alongside the iPhone 4. Maybe that's the right way to go I don't know.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Just like Android activations, iOS activations have been increasing. Some of them are iPad activations which weren't around at the beginning of the year.

No, that could not be the driving factor in their methodology. For instance, their forecast for all of 2011 is only 70.7 million iOS devices. That is far less than today's 230,000/day rate (and this does not even include the 'upgrade' activations).
post #79 of 248
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Originally Posted by Vatdoro View Post

Gartner is way off on this one.

First off, I'm still a little skeptical Android has sold so many phones this year. I just don't see the phones. Everyone in my work, church, neighborhood, everywhere I go, people are using iPhones. I hardly ever see someone using an Android phone. It seems very strange to me. Where are all these supposed Android phones in the wild?

And then there are all the surveys of smartphone owners. Every survey ever conducted shows iPhone owners are much happier with their devices, by a HUGE margin. The surveys also show a good chunk of Android owners would like to get an iPhone as their next smartphone.
That tells me Android devices are turning into a "gateway drug" for iOS devices. People get sold on a Android phone for some reason, and over time they realize it just doesn't hold up to iOS and the whole ecosystem around it.

Anyway, if Apple can sell 130 million iOS devices a year, that's awesome. I'm just skeptical any other platform will outsell them. I mean, the iPod touch still doesn't have a single competitor!

The sales numbers could be correct. There was just a news blurb stating that the sanding galaxy android phone is selling almost one million units a month on t-mobile and AT&T
post #80 of 248
Who cares if there are more Android devices than Apple!
Here's your duh statement for the day...
1 manufacturer versus what 5 or more. What would you expect? Apple isn't going to be destroyed by this. For 1 company to sell over 100 million of anything is a raging success.
Most cheap people want to afford the Droid because it is cheaper plus they were/are giving one away with each one sold. How profitable is that?
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