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Check out <a href="http://www.apple.com/promo/screensaver/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/promo/screensaver/</a>

[quote]Buy a Power Mac G4 and an Apple flat-panel** display between January 28 and March 31, 2002, and get a picture-perfect deal. Youll save on your choice of a 15-inch or 17-inch Apple Studio Display or the breathtaking 22-inch Apple Cinema Display.<hr></blockquote>

So, since this update was timed pretty well with the Crystal Clear bundle, what does that mean for March?
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post #2 of 36
It means NOTHING. Read that? NOTHING AT ALL.

Guys, G5's won't come until MWNY at least. Blah blah blah, first everybody is sure we're gonna get Pentium busting PowerMacs at MWSF at 1.6GHz, they don't arrive. Then everybody thinks they're gonna come today. What do we get? A 133MHz speedbump of the exact same chip.

Nothing breathtaking is going to come from Apple's Pro line in a long, long time. Apple goes slow and steady here. Next rev, we're probably going to get 1.2GHz PowerMacs, tops.
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post #3 of 36
Very pessimistic, arent we?

The G5 may be a big deal, but then again no it wont because we wont see anything big from Apple's pro line for a long time.

Not big, I mean breathtaking.
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[quote]Originally posted by Mithras:
<strong>Check out <a href="http://www.apple.com/promo/screensaver/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/promo/screensaver/</a>



So, since this update was timed pretty well with the Crystal Clear bundle, what does that mean for March?</strong><hr></blockquote>

let me go on record and say this is the dumbest marketing move apple has made in recent history.

They should have just cut the damn displays down to 499, 699, and 1999 and forgot about this rebate crap. then they wouldn't have had to post that dumb March 31 date.

Because of doing that now everyone is going to wait (or at least a good majority) and speculate what's going to be released in April or late March.

I'm not saying nothing will happen then, I think something will, but this was a dumb move on apple's behalf
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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let me go on record and say this is the dumbest marketing move apple has made in recent history.

They should have just cut the damn displays down to 499, 699, and 1999 and forgot about this rebate crap. then they wouldn't have had to post that dumb March 31 date.

Because of doing that now everyone is going to wait (or at least a good majority) and speculate what's going to be released in April or late March.

I'm not saying nothing will happen then, I think something will, but this was a dumb move on apple's behalf</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not necessarily a dumb marketing move. The promo says it only works on the monitors that are bought with the Powermac. So for people that buy a monitor without a computer they have to pay top dollar, smart move IMHO.
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I agree with applenut. Just cut the prices, or cut the prices when you buy a monitor at the same time as the CPU. This rebate stuff is bad news. When I helped my brother order his DP G4/500 from the Apple education store, we were told that he would get money off of his display as well WHILE we were on the phone with the rep. Instead of getting the 'instant rebate', however, we got a form to fill out. I sent it in with all of the requirements, and got a letter back saying that we were ineligible because we bought the machine from the education store.

I was finally able to get the money, but getting it was hard. I hope Apple isn't still making the same mistakes with rebates as they were back then.
post #7 of 36
Maybe, but alot of users that see the ending date will not automatically think that new machines will be coming out that day. We might, but the more-than-average Joe will just get what he can at the time. The people who will go crazy about end dates for rebates are the losers on Apple rumor BBS's (like me).
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Nobody goes crazy about end dates. If they are going to buy a computer they will buy what is available, not wait to see what becomes available. I guess I shouldnt have said that on a rumor site, you know be realistic.
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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
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It's not necessarily a dumb marketing move. The promo says it only works on the monitors that are bought with the Powermac. So for people that buy a monitor without a computer they have to pay top dollar, smart move IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

let me ask you? how many people walk into an apple store or compusa and just by the display? not many, you know why? because of ADC. If you buy a mac you buy the display with it if you want it. the market for Apple's ADC displays to existing users is SMALL.

[quote]Maybe, but alot of users that see the ending date will not automatically think that new machines will be coming out that day. We might, but the more-than-average Joe will just get what he can at the time. The people who will go crazy about end dates for rebates are the losers on Apple rumor BBS's (like me). <hr></blockquote>

really? sure doesn't seem that way as whenever there is speculation for a new product apple's sales tank. sure takes a bit more than AI for sales to tank.

[quote]Nobody goes crazy about end dates. If they are going to buy a computer they will buy what is available, not wait to see what becomes available. I guess I shouldnt have said that on a rumor site, you know be realistic. <hr></blockquote>

couldn't be more wrong
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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couldn't be more wrong</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, I couldnt be more wrong? What company do you know of that doesnt need to get work done? If Apple customers need power then they will buy the available computer from APPLE.

Get a life and dont worry about apple promotions. Jesus Christ would roll over in his grave and make you kiss his ass if he knew you gripe about every little detail in life.

Apple made a smart business decision with this promotion

If there is a small market for those who have a Mac that buy an Apple display then why not charge their asses?!

And because more people buy the display with the monitor and Apple is being NICE then why does it matter if they give you a price break?
post #11 of 36
Hate to rain on the parade here, but not everyone is willing to wait for G5s and even when they DO arrive, ALL of the current software we have will be running in 32 bit mode, so there won't actually be any immediate difference.

the big differences Apple has yet to implement are faster RAM and system bus. THAT is the big story, not so much the G5.

My point here is that it is an excellent time to buy G4 systems that will be extremely POWERFUL workstations for the vast majority of creative tasks with the exception of maybe high end 3d graphics and 2d animation. The people in the latter two fields should probably wait. Everyone else should be just thrilled.

With Photoshop X due out soon, you telling me you wouldn't want a dual 1Ghz G4 with an Nvidia 4mx?

Duh.

Get a grip folks. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by The Mactivist:
<strong>Hate to rain on the parade here, but not everyone is willing to wait for G5s and even when they DO arrive, ALL of the current software we have will be running in 32 bit mode, so there won't actually be any immediate difference.

the big differences Apple has yet to implement are faster RAM and system bus. THAT is the big story, not so much the G5.

My point here is that it is an excellent time to buy G4 systems that will be extremely POWERFUL workstations for the vast majority of creative tasks with the exception of maybe high end 3d graphics and 2d animation. The people in the latter two fields should probably wait. Everyone else should be just thrilled.

With Photoshop X due out soon, you telling me you wouldn't want a dual 1Ghz G4 with an Nvidia 4mx?

Duh.

Get a grip folks. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

You da man! Obviously I am not the only one with my head on straight.

post #13 of 36
Maybe it's a message? They're telling the people who are holding out "Ok, we don't have it yet, but it's coming soon and here's something to tide over the people who NEED to buy now"

Anybody thought of that? It's not like they were getting a ton of tower sales anyway.
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[quote]Originally posted by KD5MDK:
<strong>Maybe it's a message? They're telling the people who are holding out "Ok, we don't have it yet, but it's coming soon and here's something to tide over the people who NEED to buy now"

Anybody thought of that? It's not like they were getting a ton of tower sales anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it was a message they would have just wrote a message at the bottom of the Powermac store page that said, "Ok, we don't have it yet, but it's coming soon and here's something to tide over the people who NEED to buy now."

Did you ever think of that? stop being an Apple conspiracy theorist.
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What urks me more than anything is not the lackluster processor speeds Motorola is producing, but the fact that Apple will not get their asses in gear and release a damn faster bus. WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! Why does EVERY other PC manufacturer have an available DDR or Rambus memory option with a 400 or 333 Mhz bus and Apple is stuck with a 133 Mhz? This is crap and there are NO excuses because the technology is already there. Its great that we get a GF4 before PC users... Great... but what about the frickin bus?

All I have to say is that this better be the LAST upgrade before a kick ass bus(hypertransport perhaps?) come out in a new PowerMac.

Nuf Said.
post #16 of 36
On second thought this had nothing to do with the display prices... sorry.
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[quote]Oh, I couldnt be more wrong? What company do you know of that doesnt need to get work done? If Apple customers need power then they will buy the available computer from APPLE. <hr></blockquote>

power macs only sell to companies now?

and these upgrades are NOT significant enough to make quicksilver owners upgrade.

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Get a life and dont worry about apple promotions. Jesus Christ would roll over in his grave and make you kiss his ass if he knew you gripe about every little detail in life.<hr></blockquote>

uhh... a computer does not equal life. you really need to learn the difference

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Apple made a smart business decision with this promotion<hr></blockquote>

do they ever make a bad one according to you

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If there is a small market for those who have a Mac that buy an Apple display then why not charge their asses?!<hr></blockquote>

uh,, the displays aren't worth paying that much.

[quote]
And because more people buy the display with the monitor and Apple is being NICE then why does it matter if they give you a price break? <hr></blockquote>

being NICE? my god you have problems

[quote]You da man! Obviously I am not the only one with my head on straight.<hr></blockquote>

no, you're just not the only one with your head straight up Jobs' ass
post #18 of 36
Anybody want to geuss the G5 clock speeds?

IF it's March:

1.2 1.4 1.6 Ghz


IF it's between March and July:

1.2 1.6 1.8 Ghz


IF it's July:

1.4 1.8 2.0 Ghz..
I read somewhere that the G5 would scale at 400Mhz increments, but that could be fluf)

I also think that over the next 3 months of so we'll see a

1Ghz PB Ti (apollo)
Polimer battery tech from iPod
higher resolution screen (1600x1024)
superdrive (it's possible!)
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post #19 of 36
I think that this update is going to be like the B&W G3 update. We will probably see the next Generation PowerMac at MWTY or at MWNY. My guess is MWNY and it will be the G5 running at 1.2 1.6 1.8 Ghz or even 1.2 1.4 1.6 Ghz. The latter is probably most likely. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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The original G4 was released in September 1999, according to Apple history.

Anyone remember where? Like was it it a trade show - seybold maybe?

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post #21 of 36
The new offer from Apple called Screen-Saver, it ends march 31.... and what is the next day????? April the first, which is Apple 26th anniversary , so expect to see the new G5 to be introduced this day

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[quote]Originally posted by The Mactivist:
<strong>The original G4 was released in September 1999, according to Apple history.

Anyone remember where? Like was it it a trade show - seybold maybe?

:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

last day of august at seybold sf
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[quote] power macs only sell to companies now?

and these upgrades are NOT significant enough to make quicksilver owners upgrade.<hr></blockquote>

Hmm, do they not sell Powermacs to companies? If a company needs to use Macs then they need all the Power they can handle so they buy the top of the line from Apple, at any price and that price is even lower making the price/ performance ratio better.

[quote]uhh... a computer does not equal life. you really need to learn the difference
do they ever make a bad one according to you<hr></blockquote>

To some people computers are their lively hood. Man, some people actually do need to get work done.

Apple happens to make the least bad business decision that affect me than any other company.

[quote]uh,, the displays aren't worth paying that much.<hr></blockquote>

Apple has the finest digital LCD flat panel displays on the market for their prices. The promo softens the total price to buyers who are paying a lot already. Apple runs a business you know, making money helps a business, that is unless you want the next displays to suck because they needed to cut quality for price reductions (Dell anyone?).

[quote]no, you're just not the only one with your head straight up Jobs' ass<hr></blockquote>

You post on these forums as well. Does the Powermac update effect you that much? I didnt think so. And if you were in the market for a Powermac then you would be happy with the news. I dont know where else i can get a faster Photoshop machine for under $3,000.

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post #24 of 36
Lighten up. "Jesus Christ is rolling over in his grave"? We are just vaguely speculating about a date and a rebate deal and some computer screens... for pete's sake, guys. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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[quote]Hmm, do they not sell Powermacs to companies? If a company needs to use Macs then they need all the Power they can handle so they buy the top of the line from Apple, at any price and that price is even lower making the price/ performance ratio better.<hr></blockquote>

very few companies NEED to use macs. most do it by choice. the choice isn't as easy as it once was

[quote]Apple has the finest digital LCD flat panel displays on the market for their prices. The promo softens the total price to buyers who are paying a lot already. Apple runs a business you know, making money helps a business, that is unless you want the next displays to suck because they needed to cut quality for price reductions (Dell anyone?).<hr></blockquote>

make sense boy

[quote]You post on these forums as well. Does the Powermac update effect you that much? I didnt think so. And if you were in the market for a Powermac then you would be happy with the news.<hr></blockquote>

I am in the market and this news does not make me happy. it makes me extremely dissapointed. the systems suck for the price. understand that?

[quote]I dont know where else i can get a faster Photoshop machine for under $3,000.<hr></blockquote>

dual athlons, dual P4s, etc. give me a break. there is more to the world than apple's press release info and advertisements


and the original point of my message was that the rebate is bad due to the date of its end creating speculation. you say that doesn't matter. Sure seems odd considering apple does all it can possibly do to kill speculation and rumors. so obviously speculation and rumors are detrimental to their sales
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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dual athlons, dual P4s, etc. give me a break. there is more to the world than apple's press release info and advertisements


and the original point of my message was that the rebate is bad due to the date of its end creating speculation. you say that doesn't matter. Sure seems odd considering apple does all it can possibly do to kill speculation and rumors. so obviously speculation and rumors are detrimental to their sales</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nobody in the industry pays attention to promotion end dates, they pay attention to deadlines.

Apple kills rumors because they do indeed get $ from the faithfull. I dont think dates on the end of a promotion means anything, what was then end date last time? When did it really end?

What could Apple be updating at the end of this promo? Maybe Powermacs, but i doubt it. I think more likely they will update the displays themselves. Look for MWNY to be the next PM update.

Apple did not just cut the price of the displays for no good reason, they dont lose money the way they are doing it. If I buy a PM and a display the promotion really is giving me a break on the Powermacs margin, not the display's. If I buy a display seperately the margin for Apple on that item is less, therefore they charge top $ on it.

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[quote]Originally posted by 4fx:
<strong>What urks me more than anything is not the lackluster processor speeds Motorola is producing, but the fact that Apple will not get their asses in gear and release a damn faster bus.
(...)
This is crap and there are NO excuses because the technology is already there. Its great that we get a GF4 before PC users... Great... but what about the frickin bus?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

They could support DDR RAM as much as they want, it would still be more or less completely useless until the G4 gets a faster front side bus first.

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post #28 of 36
Lighten up. "Jesus Christ is rolling over in his grave"? We are just vaguely speculating about a date and a rebate deal and some computer screens... for pete's sake, guys. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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The new offer from Apple called Screen-Saver, it ends march 31.... and what is the next day????? April the first, which is Apple 26th anniversary , so expect to see the new G5 to be introduced this day
<hr></blockquote>

LOL, yeah, Steve announces a 2.4 GHz G5 on April 1. Then on April 2 he announces, "April fools!!!".

I doubt we'll see a G5 until MWNY, but I'll say 50/50 odds for a G5 before the end of April.
post #30 of 36
This is not a dumb marketing move. You know why? These displays probably won't exist after March 31.

Everything points to a major Mac OS X birthday bash. New monitors, new CPUs, an upgrade to OS X 10.2, etc.

Rebates exist so you don't bring down the retail price..to prep for the next generation. Apple's being smart here. I'm going to buy a Dual 1 GHz machine sometime this week, probably, and while I thought about using my 19 inch Diamondtron, the $300 off I'd get for buying the 17 inch LCD is too good to pass up.

People are not buying the LCDs because there are cheaper alternatives, but cutting the prices on LCDs does not provide incentive to buy a new Mac.

Who wants to be against me and say a whole new generation of LCDs won't be out by the end of March?
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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
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If it was a message they would have just wrote a message at the bottom of the Powermac store page that said, "Ok, we don't have it yet, but it's coming soon and here's something to tide over the people who NEED to buy now." </strong><hr></blockquote>

That is exactly what they are saying. They just don't need to put in writing. Its called reading between the lines. Fred Anderson even hinted that after the new iMac introduction products in the first half of the year would be transitional and that big things were in store for the second half of the year.
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[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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That is exactly what they are saying. They just don't need to put in writing. Its called reading between the lines. Fred Anderson even hinted that after the new iMac introduction products in the first half of the year would be transitional and that big things were in store for the second half of the year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple doesnt run a business by hinkting at display release dates. Apple just posted the end date to the promo which indicates to rumor mongers that there will be new displays and or Powermacs.

I dont think the reason was explicitly to let us know when the new stuff would be released. In my opinion Apple doesnt even know when the new stuff will be ready until very shortly before they release it themselves.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>This is not a dumb marketing move. You know why? These displays probably won't exist after March 31.

Everything points to a major Mac OS X birthday bash. New monitors, new CPUs, an upgrade to OS X 10.2, etc.

Rebates exist so you don't bring down the retail price..to prep for the next generation. Apple's being smart here. I'm going to buy a Dual 1 GHz machine sometime this week, probably, and while I thought about using my 19 inch Diamondtron, the $300 off I'd get for buying the 17 inch LCD is too good to pass up.

People are not buying the LCDs because there are cheaper alternatives, but cutting the prices on LCDs does not provide incentive to buy a new Mac.

Who wants to be against me and say a whole new generation of LCDs won't be out by the end of March?</strong><hr></blockquote>


GREAT POST, Eugene.

I didn't think I've ever said this to you... ... but I agree with everything you just said.

[quote]Everything points to a major Mac OS X birthday bash. New monitors, new CPUs, an upgrade to OS X 10.2, etc.<hr></blockquote>

A big "Hell yeah!" to that.

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[quote]
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Buy a Power Mac G4 and an Apple flat-panel** display between January 28 and March 31, 2002, and get a picture-perfect deal. Youll save on your choice of a 15-inch or 17-inch Apple Studio Display or the breathtaking 22-inch Apple Cinema Display.

QB]<hr></blockquote>

Apple Fiscal Q2 ends March ~28 ...


Move on, nothing to see here.
post #35 of 36
Thanks, Blabla, that's a very interesting tidbit.

So perhaps this rebate offer is to boost sales for this quarter, so Apple can report decent financial status? It's surprising that this would be necessary given the sales of the new iMac, but perhaps the new iMac is not enough to offset the dismal sales of the powermacs. I'll be surprised if the new Powermacs sell much better than the old, since there isn't a very tangible difference between them.

Me, if I had the money, I'd buy a dual GHz Powermac w/ 17" LCD display to cash in on that rebate, it's a sweet deal! Combined with the lowered price of the Powermacs, it amounts to a substantial price cut by Apple. A good sign...maybe Apple is catching on, that if they lower prices, the extra volume can make up for the lost margins?
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Well, oops...the rebate was *almost* too good to pass up. I decided to stick with my Diamondtron after-all...one of my computers just bit the dust.
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