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Developers who plan to test the newly released iOS 4.2 beta must also be running the latest beta software development kit of Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.5, to ensure compatibility with AirPrint shared wireless printing.

People familiar with Apple's first iOS 4.2 beta say that it requires the latest Mac OS X 10.6.5 pre-release build, also issued to developers this week. Builds of the latest security and maintenance update from Apple have seen regular releases to developers in recent weeks. The requirement means the latest beta of Snow Leopard has now been made available to iOS developers as well.

Because of bugs and issues, Apple has reportedly recommended that developers only install the iOS 4.2 beta on devices that will be used exclusively to test the software. It is advised that the early beta not be installed on devices that will be needed for other, day-to-day uses.

iOS 4.2 is known as build 8C5091e, and is said to be already compatible with a handful of HP printers with ePrint support. And, with a Mac running 10.6.5, the software also allows printing through a shared printer.

iOS 4.2 is also said to include other new features, such as the ability to import .ics calendar files directly for events.

The iOS 4.2 beta was released to developers on Wednesday, with its largest feature being AirPrint, the name of Apple's wireless printing standard for the iPad, iPhone and iPod touch. With AirPrint, users will be able to send text, photos and graphics to some compatible printers directly over Wi-Fi.

In addition, a range of ePrint-compatible printers from HP will offer direct printing through built-in AirPrint support.

The latest beta of Mac OS X 10.6.5 was delivered to developers this week with no known issues. People familiar with the latest version said it is known as build 1H542.

Set for release in November, iOS 4.2 brings a number of new features, particularly to the iPad. Apple's touchscreen tablet will gain the multitasking and folders features that iPhone and iPod touch owners already enjoy.

People familiar with the first beta said it carries a number of known issues related to device activation and the Springboard home screen, which could cause restarts and crashes with the software. It reportedly has other issues as well, including the fact that MobileMe e-mail is not currently pushed to devices.
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well least we know 10.6.5 will be before the end of november
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well least we know 10.6.5 will be before the end of november

They can always software update the required support for older OSs
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If you have to have the latest beta of SL how are they ever going to get it working on Windows?

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If you have to have the latest beta of SL how are they ever going to get it working on Windows?

The betas are only available to Mac users.
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If you have to have the latest beta of SL how are they ever going to get it working on Windows?

Software Update, which you may have if you've installed iTunes, or simply a download to install the required support. Basically, pretty much the same way they will get it working on Macs, by having the user install software to support it.

The latest SL beta (or the released version of it) won't necessarily be a requirement when this is released to the public, it's just where they chose to initially implement it so it can be tested.
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The betas are only available to Mac users.

SL betas only run on Macs. iOS betas only run on iDevices. iDevices can connect to Windows PCs. If I was an Apple iOS developer, which I am, then shouldn't I be able to test an application that is supposed to be compatible with Mac/PC according to the press release?

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I was able to install ios 4.2 beta on my iPad without any issues but 4.2 beta on my iphone doesn't work at all. Maybe the iphone version really needs that pre-release build.
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I was able to install ios 4.2 beta on my iPad without any issues but 4.2 beta on my iphone doesn't work at all. Maybe the iphone version really needs that pre-release build.

If the printing won't even work at all without sharing the printer via a 10.6.5 loaded Mac then AirPrint is an epic fail for use with check-in systems.
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Basically, pretty much the same way they will get it working on Macs, by having the user install software to support it.

Yes, probably a new version of Bonjour that sees the iDevice and matches it up with a printer.

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"The iOS 4.2 beta was released to developers on Wednesday, with its largest feature being AirPrint"

Multi-tasking and folders for iPad are way bigger features then printing IMHO.
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Yes, probably a new version of Bonjour that sees the iDevice and matches it up with a printer.

Possibly as an extension to Bonjour. It's not clear to me exactly how they intend to implement it from the sketchy details available.
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If the printing won't even work at all without sharing the printer via a 10.6.5 loaded Mac then AirPrint is an epic fail for use with check-in systems.

Requiring any computer in the day and age of network printers is an epic fail....
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Requiring any computer in the day and age of network printers is an epic fail....

When the day comes that printers no longer require drivers, you might have a point. Having to install drivers on iOS devices, now that would be an epic fail.
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Requiring any computer in the day and age of network printers is an epic fail....

Having all network printers requiring different device drivers to do what is essentially the same function - printing a piece of paper - is an epic fail. Those that imply why something that is "so easy" hasn't been done yet do not grasp the can of worms it could be if not implemented properly. Even using a generic print-driver is not a sure-fire guarantee that it will work.

Will be interesting how it all works. Apple at least cares more about the end-user experience so I'll place my trust in them that they will do a better job at getting this to work than say, a windows-only method.
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When the day comes that printers no longer require drivers, you might have a point. Having to install drivers on iOS devices, now that would be an epic fail.

Don't rain on the parade. He wants to whine about not being on the bleeding edge, because bleeding edge system requirements are holding him back. See also "Wanna-be iApp developers complaining about Mac and OS X requirements". Never mind that in this case a consumer is worrying & whining about developer stuff. He could be going the speed of light, if it weren't for that pesky speed requirement!
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Posting that something that's not even out yet, and you have no real details about, is an epic fail is an epic fail.
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SL betas only run on Macs. ...

I have it on great authority that Second Life runs on Windows as well. At least to the degree that Second Life clients can be said to work at all.
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"The iOS 4.2 beta was released to developers on Wednesday, with its largest feature being AirPrint"

Multi-tasking and folders for iPad are way bigger features then printing IMHO.

Considering Apple is trying to make us believe the iPad can actually be used to do work (I know, it's hard to say without laughing ), having a file system that the user can access, or being able to transfer documents easily back and forth easily might be more desirable.

I for one am shocked that after the iPad has been out all this time, the 4.2 update is only bringing minimal utility to the device. I'm not exaggerating either, it's just plain shocking that this thing can't even load a file without the intervention of iTunes or some third party "craptility." It's also shocking that even when you do use iTunes to do this (the preferred method according to Apple), that it barely works, and takes long minutes to achieve.

It's the simple transfer of a sub-1MB document from one computer to another for cripes sake.

Is this 2010 or 1995?
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SL betas only run on Macs. iOS betas only run on iDevices. iDevices can connect to Windows PCs. If I was an Apple iOS developer, which I am, then shouldn't I be able to test an application that is supposed to be compatible with Mac/PC according to the press release?

If you're referring to the new printing it should come as no surprise the device driver less printing would be based upon PPD files and connecting to devices that parse PPD files.

OS X 10.5.6 beta with a newer CUPS system for testing makes sense. Get it working first there and then roll out the CUPS update to the world, while then have a select group of testers for Windows. Most likely the update would include an update to iTunes to offer that seamless ability within Windows, as well.
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Posting that something that's not even out yet, and you have no real details about, is an epic fail is an epic fail.

Thank you for saying that The lack of any marketing perspective on these boards is just amazing. I would think people here would begin to try and look past the technical arguments (its easy, it 'should' be there, etc.) to the marketing that driving Apple.
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Considering Apple is trying to make us believe the iPad can actually be used to do work (I know, it's hard to say without laughing ), having a file system that the user can access, or being able to transfer documents easily back and forth easily might be more desirable.

I for one am shocked that after the iPad has been out all this time, the 4.2 update is only bringing minimal utility to the device. I'm not exaggerating either, it's just plain shocking that this thing can't even load a file without the intervention of iTunes or some third party "craptility." It's also shocking that even when you do use iTunes to do this (the preferred method according to Apple), that it barely works, and takes long minutes to achieve.

It's the simple transfer of a sub-1MB document from one computer to another for cripes sake.

Is this 2010 or 1995?

If the iPad doesn't suit your needs then stick with a MBP. The iPad is the beginning of a new way of working that will be a little awkward for some, at first. I think it is really designed to work best with MobileMe.

I can give you an example. A few minutes ago I needed to print a CAD file that was too large for our plotter. In looking around I realized I had forgotten my thumb drive so I copied it to iDisk and walked down the street to the reprographic service. After discussing the output options with the representative, I simply emailed it from iDisk directly to their output server using my iPhone. 10 minutes later I had my large format print in hand.

It's all about the cloud.

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It's a pity it requires so new Mac OS to support shared printers. I currently have a Power Mac G4 with 10.4.11 running as a print server and I'm a bit disappointed I can't take advantage of the new AirPrint with that. Any word on AirPort Express support?
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It's a pity it requires so new Mac OS to support shared printers. I currently have a Power Mac G4 with 10.4.11 running as a print server and I'm a bit disappointed I can't take advantage of the new AirPrint with that. Any word on AirPort Express support?

I don't think it's realistic for Apple to continue to update OSs 2 versions back with every new technology they come out with. However, just because it only works on the latest SL beta doesn't mean it won't ever work on anything else.
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I can give you an example. A few minutes ago I needed to print a CAD file that was too large for our plotter. In looking around I realized I had forgotten my thumb drive so I copied it to iDisk and walked down the street to the reprographic service. After discussing the output options with the representative, I simply emailed it from iDisk directly to their output server using my iPhone. 10 minutes later I had my large format print in hand.

It's all about the cloud.

I love how you SoCal folks have all of these services a stones-throw away. If I could just "walk(ed) down the street to the reprographic service", that would be lovely. But it's not practical for me, and many others like me who live in an area where the nearest reprographic service that supports digital files is several miles away.

No, it's not about the cloud, it's about making a device convenient for the majority of its users. I'm an educator and a businessman who has so far held off on purchasing iPads because I don't feel they're ready for either enterprise or the classroom.

The good Professor Peabody said it best; "It's the simple transfer of a sub-1MB document from one computer to another for cripes sake".
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"The iOS 4.2 beta was released to developers on Wednesday, with its largest feature being AirPrint"

Multi-tasking and folders for iPad are way bigger features then printing IMHO.

Not for developers. We already know how to handle multi-tasking in our iOS software. You're probably thinking of the end-user final release of 4.2, which is coming in November. For THIS release-- which is targeted at developers-- AirPrint is indeed the largest feature.
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I for one am shocked that after the iPad has been out all this time, the 4.2 update is only bringing minimal utility to the device.

"All this time"??? The iPad was only released a few months ago! Sheesh. I'm sure at some point we'll get multiple-user profiles, parental locks, and document handling. In the meantime if it's not useful to you don't buy it.
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I love how you SoCal folks have all of these services a stones-throw away. If I could just "walk(ed) down the street to the reprographic service", that would be lovely. But it's not practical for me, and many others like me who live in an area where the nearest reprographic service that supports digital files is several miles away.

No, it's not about the cloud, it's about making a device convenient for the majority of its users. I'm an educator and a businessman who has so far held off on purchasing iPads because I don't feel they're ready for either enterprise or the classroom.

The good Professor Peabody said it best; "It's the simple transfer of a sub-1MB document from one computer to another for cripes sake".

Ha ha I know we're spoiled with the weather and all. Seriously though, I think the majority of iPad users are in the large metropolitan areas where there are a million things to do and lots of different uses for iPad/iPhone that may not be relevant for less populated areas. Mass transit, fast paced mobile users, wifi everywhere, the iPad has proved to be a very flexible device. Personally, it did take some time to warm up to it, but now I use it a lot more. I'm writing apps and web apps to use it for business and it is working out great.

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If the iPad doesn't suit your needs then stick with a MBP. The iPad is the beginning of a new way of working that will be a little awkward for some, at first. I think it is really designed to work best with MobileMe.

I can give you an example. A few minutes ago I needed to print a CAD file that was too large for our plotter. In looking around I realized I had forgotten my thumb drive so I copied it to iDisk and walked down the street to the reprographic service. After discussing the output options with the representative, I simply emailed it from iDisk directly to their output server using my iPhone. 10 minutes later I had my large format print in hand.

It's all about the cloud.

Except for the fact that iWork, for example, can't even save to the iDisk. Hmmm
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If the iPad doesn't suit your needs then stick with a MBP.

Sorry, can't use laptops.

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The iPad is the beginning of a new way of working that will be a little awkward for some, at first. I think it is really designed to work best with MobileMe.

Agreed. It's just that the current iPad OS and the current iPad "productivity" apps are barely beta quality, and they just don't have the capabilities necessary to do actual work. I'm a big supporter in general, it's just that I'm getting older and I want Apple to actually finish the job and put out a portable tablet *computer* sometime before I die.

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I can give you an example. A few minutes ago I needed to print a CAD file that was too large for our plotter. In looking around I realized I had forgotten my thumb drive so I copied it to iDisk and walked down the street to the reprographic service. After discussing the output options with the representative, I simply emailed it from iDisk directly to their output server using my iPhone. 10 minutes later I had my large format print in hand.

It's all about the cloud.

Again, Agreed. It's just that all you can really do with MobileMe right now is view documents. I could do that 15 years years ago. Why can't I use my iPad for instance to load a document from MobileMe, edit it, and save it back to Mobile Me?

I'm a writer and I use Pages, so when the iPad came out I moved all my documents to it (what a nightmare that was), and proceeded to try and use the iPad as a true mobile computer for writing. It simply doesn't work. It would take pages and pages to explain all the many gotchas, and stupid design choices that get in your way, but I've heard the same from every single person I run into with an iPad that tried to do what I did.

The iPad does indeed have a great future, I'm just impatient at the glacial pace of development. Pages for iPad should be FREE it's missing so many basic features. It really is a beta level product.

The iPad OS, the iPad hardware design, the iPad "productivity" apps, and the manner in which it's tied to iTunes are all huge detriments to getting anything actually done on it. I would sum the iPad up thusly:

- best reader I ever had
- wonderful amazing comic book reader
- best virtual magazines
- best portable video screen
- 2nd best iPod
- awful portable computer
- worst (and slowest) typing experience of any computer I've owned
- very very poor art tablet
- worst document storage solution
- horrible integration with my other devices.
- horrible integration with the cloud.
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It's a pity it requires so new Mac OS to support shared printers. I currently have a Power Mac G4 with 10.4.11 running as a print server and I'm a bit disappointed I can't take advantage of the new AirPrint with that. Any word on AirPort Express support?

Have you tried updating your version of CUPS on 10.4.11?
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I would sum the iPad up thusly:

- best reader I ever had
- wonderful amazing comic book reader
- best virtual magazines
- best portable video screen
- 2nd best iPod
- awful portable computer
- worst (and slowest) typing experience of any computer I've owned
- very very poor art tablet
- worst document storage solution
- horrible integration with my other devices.
- horrible integration with the cloud.

Most succinct and IMO, accurate description I've heard to date. But hey, maybe the boys and girls at Apple will surprise us all with this upgrade. I'm not a spring chicken; I've used Macs since the 80's. I hope they get this one right before the continents come together again
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I disagree. I perfectly use it to work. I don't care for whatever you think a computer have to be.
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SL betas only run on Macs. iOS betas only run on iDevices. iDevices can connect to Windows PCs. If I was an Apple iOS developer, which I am, then shouldn't I be able to test an application that is supposed to be compatible with Mac/PC according to the press release?

I think AI is not clear here. You don't need Mac OS 10.6.5 to install the Betas in you iOS devices. You don't need Mac OS 10.6.5 to install the iOS 4.2 SDK beta in you Mac as well. You only need 10.6.5 to for testing AirPrint with your iOS development devices.

Edit: To test AirPrint on a PC you need to download AppleMobileDevice software available for developers.
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When the day comes that printers no longer require drivers, you might have a point. Having to install drivers on iOS devices, now that would be an epic fail.

My point is valid already. Thank goodness for the new articles... It says they support ePrint for direct printing. So, no drivers and no computer in the middle. Having no direct option would have been an epic fail. Now I need to ping Brother about ePrint support on their network printers.... FTP'ing files to my printer to print them was getting old.
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Sorry, can't use laptops.

Agreed. It's just that the current iPad OS and the current iPad "productivity" apps are barely beta quality, and they just don't have the capabilities necessary to do actual work. I'm a big supporter in general, it's just that I'm getting older and I want Apple to actually finish the job and put out a portable tablet *computer* sometime before I die.

Again, Agreed. It's just that all you can really do with MobileMe right now is view documents. I could do that 15 years ago. Why can't I use my iPad for instance to load a document from MobileMe, edit it, and save it back to Mobile Me?

I'm a writer and I use Pages, so when the iPad came out I moved all my documents to it (what a nightmare that was), and proceeded to try and use the iPad as a true mobile computer for writing. It simply doesn't work. It would take pages and pages to explain all the many gotchas, and stupid design choices that get in your way, but I've heard the same from every single person I run into with an iPad that tried to do what I did.

The iPad does indeed have a great future, I'm just impatient at the glacial pace of development. Pages for iPad should be FREE it's missing so many basic features. It really is a beta level product.

The iPad OS, the iPad hardware design, the iPad "productivity" apps, and the manner in which it's tied to iTunes are all huge detriments to getting anything actually done on it. I would sum the iPad up thusly:

- best reader I ever had
- wonderful amazing comic book reader
- best virtual magazines
- best portable video screen
- 2nd best iPod
- awful portable computer
- worst (and slowest) typing experience of any computer I've owned
- very very poor art tablet
- worst document storage solution
- horrible integration with my other devices.
- horrible integration with the cloud.


The iPad is not designed to be a portable computer, at least for now. That's most unfortunate. Apple doesn't want the iPad to cut in the sales of iPods, iPhones, MacBooks or MacBook Pros.

Apple won't get my money until I can use the iPad as a light weight portable computer to write and take notes everywhere.


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It's worth pointing out that the "issues" described at the end of this article are not global. I have several devices on 4.2 now without any of the described issues. MobileMe is pushing fine.
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Sorry, can't use laptops.

Agreed. It's just that the current iPad OS and the current iPad "productivity" apps are barely beta quality, and they just don't have the capabilities necessary to do actual work. I'm a big supporter in general, it's just that I'm getting older and I want Apple to actually finish the job and put out a portable tablet *computer* sometime before I die.

Again, Agreed. It's just that all you can really do with MobileMe right now is view documents. I could do that 15 years years ago. Why can't I use my iPad for instance to load a document from MobileMe, edit it, and save it back to Mobile Me?

I'm a writer and I use Pages, so when the iPad came out I moved all my documents to it (what a nightmare that was), and proceeded to try and use the iPad as a true mobile computer for writing. It simply doesn't work. It would take pages and pages to explain all the many gotchas, and stupid design choices that get in your way, but I've heard the same from every single person I run into with an iPad that tried to do what I did.

The iPad does indeed have a great future, I'm just impatient at the glacial pace of development. Pages for iPad should be FREE it's missing so many basic features. It really is a beta level product.

The iPad OS, the iPad hardware design, the iPad "productivity" apps, and the manner in which it's tied to iTunes are all huge detriments to getting anything actually done on it. I would sum the iPad up thusly:

- best reader I ever had
- wonderful amazing comic book reader
- best virtual magazines
- best portable video screen
- 2nd best iPod
- awful portable computer
- worst (and slowest) typing experience of any computer I've owned
- very very poor art tablet
- worst document storage solution
- horrible integration with my other devices.
- horrible integration with the cloud.


You're just bad at typing on it, and haven't even tried to get better. I've been near pro-performance on a standard keyboard for years, and with a few patient weeks (more like days) of practice, I'm a wiz on the iPad keyboard. Is it perfect? Nope. Is the worst anything? Nope. Not even close.

And no, Pages should not be free. It's the most valuable app on my iPad, I get more professional use out of it than any other app, and its not missing anything crucial. Any business professional, (WHO TAKES THE TIME TO LEARN HOW TO USE THE APP), can do anything they normally do, using Pages for iPad.

You list absolutely no examples of issues you ran into, yet you promise they are numerous, so much so that you can't even list them (although that's all we're really interested in...)

Also, no one ever suggested that it would be a good idea to stop using Pages on the Mac in favor of Pages on the iPad. They should be used together. That's what I do, and I cannot even describe the convenience and benefit I've seen from being able to take Pages and my Pages docs to work, to appointments, etc..etc..etc..
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It would be good if Apple had made the SDK like XCode available for Windows too. it would widen their market coverage and further expand their growth... I wonder why they don't.
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Seriosly I think a number of factors come into play.
  1. XCode is built around UNIX and as such uses many tools popular on that platform. Running such tools on Windows has always been an issue.
  2. You don't see Visual Studio running on a Mac! It might sound funny to people who use Eclipse or other open IDEs but it is a lot of extra effort to do cross platform IDEs. It should surprise no one that Eclipse is based on Java.
  3. Putting XCode on Windows means putting the SDK there also In the end that could be a bad thing for selling Apple hardware. Plus it means a whole translation layer would be needed
  4. For most developers the cost of Mac Hardware is trivial. Especially when it is understood that the hardware can run Windows fine.

As to the expanding growth don't forget that Mac sales are booming right now.
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It would be good if Apple had made the SDK like XCode available for Windows too. it would widen their market coverage and further expand their growth... I wonder why they don't.
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