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post #281 of 361
9/16/10 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Every Android customer using Google services is a product which can be sold to other companies.

I don't like being treated as a product (without my permission). That's why I am systematically cutting back on use of Google services.
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Guess what?

Every AI Poster using this forum is a product which can be sold to other companies.

Just in case you didn't realize.
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post #282 of 361
9/16/10 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by nht View Post

From the standpoint of today there are still apps on the iPhone for which there isn't an Android equivalent in terms of quality. iMovie is one example. Enterprise support another. There are major game titles from major game studios on the iPhone that are not on Android.

That has always been true of Macs. Is it relevant? Is it a good reason to buy a PC?
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post #283 of 361
9/16/10 at 7:55pm
(Hmm... nevermind)
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post #284 of 361
9/16/10 at 7:59pm
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AGH, why did I click the un-ignore button?!?!

It would be interesting to see how many folks have any particular user on ignore...
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post #285 of 361
9/16/10 at 8:07pm
Like it or not, Android is a strong competitor with iOS. All the whining and mud slinging will not change that simple fact. I think the new iPhone 4 is a great phone. So are most of the higher end Android phones...

There are thing I like better about both phones. There are things that annoy me with both phones. I would probably be happy with either....

In my opinion the only company that could kill Android is Verizon. They have a tendency to want to lock down all of their devices and force you to pay for their crappy apps and services. It is kind of funny because I think it is fair to say that the Original Motorola Droid saved there ass as the iPhone was stealing many of their more profitable smart phone customers. The Droid is about as open as a smart phone gets. The new Droid X and Droid 2 are locked down a lot tighter. The HTC Incredible is a lot more locked down. The new Samsung is a failure waiting to happen ( Killing Google search was a stupid idea ).... I can see Verizon killing Android and I think they are greedy enough to do it....

If Android becomes as locked down as the iPhone it certainly loses a lot of it's appeal to people who do not want to live in a walled garden.

I really hope Androind continues to do well. It forces Apple to step up their game and give users more features. that in turn makes Google and the Android phone manufactures step up their game.... I think that is a good thing...
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post #286 of 361
9/16/10 at 8:15pm
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That has always been true of Macs. Is it relevant? Is it a good reason to buy a PC?

Yes, it is a good reason to run Windows for applications that do not run on OSX.

Fortunately we can run Windows via Parallels, Fusion or bootcamp on our Macs. If this were not the case I do not believe that OSX would be quite as popular today as it is. I love my MBP but I could not have bought one if it could not run MS Project or Visio. That and gaming. Certain games genres are a good reason to buy a PC over a Mac from a hardware perspective even allowing for bootcamp.

If Android phones could run iOS or Macs couldn't run Windows your comment might actually be relevant. Alas, not.

Especially since the other poster was claiming there was nothing the iPhone could do that the EVO couldn't.
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post #287 of 361
9/16/10 at 9:00pm
Wow, 310 posts!
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post #288 of 361
9/16/10 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by Dracull View Post

What kind of comparison is this?? They compare Phones from Apple, against Software from google?? What is the point?

If they want to compare how many people use Googles OS versus Apples iOS they have to count with ALL iOS devices, not just iphones. We are missing data from iPods Touchs and iPads.

They same goes to RIM and Microsoft. RIM phone builder, Microsoft software builder.

In terms of showing developers for which OS they should build first, in the case of Apple this information means nothing or better yet, it is not complete.

If they wanted to compare phone makers, than they should compare iPhone versus HTC phones, for example.

I hate when people just throw statistics like is the biggest truth in the world.

Well... you can tailor compare the way you like, but they decided to compare smart phones using different software platforms (in this case iOS and Android).

Sure you could add iPods and iPads to the soup... but why stop there? Windows Phone 7 is based on Windows CE, so lets add all the Windows CE devices as well - thin clients, for example. Plenty of them around.

At the end of the day, I personally agree with comparing devices with same functionality. You compare smart phones with smart phones. You compare media players with media players. And you compare thin clients with thin clients. You don't compare apples and oranges.

Back to original topic... I am sure Apple will remain single smartphone manufacturer with biggest market share, but it cannot fence off platform spread on vast number of devices. One single device cannot cater for too many different desires and tastes. Plus, iPhone has lost one of its strong selling points - exclusivity. There are so many of them around that it has became too common. That might sound silly to some reasonably folk here (and is silly, after all) but even I, moving mostly among computer geeks, know a few self-proclaimed "fashionistas" who were early adopters for iPhone, but are now considering something else just because too many people have it.
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post #289 of 361
9/16/10 at 9:03pm
Off topic: The Verizon Droid Eris will not get any more updates. It hasnt even been out a year.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

It has nothing to do with sophisticated or not. Just the sheer number of iPods vs iPhones. Btw all money in the world and a thousand luxury/sports cars does not make a person sophisticated nor does what phone one owns.

Yet you are arguing with me about the silliness I pointed out regarding calling someone sophisticated about the phone they use?
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post #290 of 361
9/16/10 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by debusoh View Post

Microsoft hasn't exactly proven that it can roll out compelling software in the phone market. I would expect a lot of hype from them, but not much substance just like with the Zune device.

They still have more experience in mobile phone market than Apple had when they released original iPhone.

I would keep my eye on them if I were Google/Apple/RIM. Just in case.
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post #291 of 361
9/16/10 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

They still have more experience in mobile phone market than Apple had when they released original iPhone.

I would keep my eye on them if I were Google/Apple/RIM. Just in case.

I agree with you here. RIM and Android do not have an ecosystem, which is the key to Apple's success.

MS is offering an ecosystem for Windows users with WP7 - games (xbox live), movies and music (Zune marketplace), complete Office integration, Exchange/Enterprise.

I could be wrong and MS might blow it, but a lot of people (not just here) are completely dismissive of MS, which might be a mistake. Bing just became the 2nd most popular search engine, Windows 7 is a great OS. WP7 is getting favorable reviews, so MS is on a bit of a roll lately. We shall see
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post #292 of 361
9/16/10 at 10:53pm
Yeah but google has a great phone now. Was playing with one today. Gps, wifi hotspot. Free calls to any carrier (sprint I think) unlimited text, 4g and syncs to google apps, like .mac for free.

There's a lot of positive things you can say and soon an OS!?!?!?! That's going to be wild.
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Originally Posted by widowsoft View Post

First off those of you sitting in glee at the STATISTICS just remember if it had not been for Apple you would still be using your mobile with a crappy interface.
The whole episode proves that competition does not promote advancement, the whole mobile industry were delivering the same same phones year in year out.
Apple who were not mobile phone manufacturers saw that there was a better way and gave it to us.
Now all we can do is snipe etc at Apple.
It is obvious that Android will do better as they offer a free OS to those same dull mobile manufacturers who were content to just take our money without making any attempt to give us what we want or need.
So they can plaster that OS on cheap models as they did not spend much on R&D.
Do not praise them they have only their best interests at heart.

For all Apples failings they year in year out develop products that will make us work and live better. unlike the others in the IT industry who just want your money.
Research is not cheap so Apple products are not but when you buy a cheap PC thats what you get ok for word processing perhaps not much else.
Snipe if it makes you feel better but a lot of what you use today is courtesy of the infinite loop R&D
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post #293 of 361
9/16/10 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by techapocalypse View Post

with the amount of android devices compared to iphone/iOS devices, Android should be ahead. It's kinda sad that they aren't. Google doesn't even make it's own hardware, it's kinda a lame comparison

That's a preety bold statement seeing how msft does not make PCs, yet win 7 is getting positive reviews, out sold vista and msft controls almost the whole computing world, why. I was at this guys house last night. He had a quad graphic card sli, i7, 64 gigs or high end ram and it blazes. All much less than a mac pro and ironically, he can install odd if he wanted, dual boot, blow away a mac pro and save almost half of what it would cost for a mac. You see in PC worlds. As ram and CPU prices drop, it's passed onto consumers. When Apple switched, people thought apple might do the same. No. In opposite. They took away features from all but the 17" mbp and still offer no mid range workstation when they could plus PC users can normally swap out an old CPU for a newer one, you can't do that with a mac nor increase the fsb speeds which gives you fast fx, audio/video and more of it.
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post #294 of 361
9/16/10 at 11:07pm
Apple is the gatekeeper for the apps right? So who "safeguards" what apps can get onto the Android systems? Free game? What's the security like on Android?
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post #295 of 361
9/16/10 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

The iPhone is a single platform from a single manufacturer. Android is multiple incompatible platforms that share some commonality, made by multiple different manufacturers, and with varying restrictions from the carriers. The commonalitysome flavor (but not the same!) of Googles OS, comes from being given away free (ultimately to sell ads).

Comparing iPhone and Android is interesting to a point, but its apples and oranges. Theres no one company selling all those Android phones, no one company directly making money on the OS (because its free) and no one platform for developers to make and sell apps for (thanks to incompatible hardware, multiple OS versions with low adoption of the latest, and very limited Android Market deployment to different countries).

In short, iOS is as strong as ever (and I believe iPhone 4 broke sales records yet again). Android is nowhere near catching up in anything but combined numbers. And dont forget that iOS includes iPod and iPad. Unlike the different Android devices, they really CAN run most of the same apps, and most of the same OS features! (All of them in fact, if you look at recent models.)

you dint work in business do you??? People are dumping windows, servers and going with Google Pro apps. It's growing fast. That's where google makes some of it's money. When they release an OS, it will be even larger than they are now.
Blessings!!!
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post #296 of 361
9/16/10 at 11:48pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

New data shows Apple, RIM, and Microsoft continue to lose ground to Google in the U.S. smartphone market.

Marketing intelligence company comScore published its quarterly Mobile Subscriber Market Share findings, which tracked total smartphone subscribers for the three months ending in July.


So during the three month period that includes two months of presumably depressed 3GS sales, due to anticipation of the iPhone 4, but only one month of iPhone 4 sales, Apple's share dropped only 1.3%?

There's no doubt Android is and will continue to be a major player. There's no doubt that current king of the hill, RIM, is sliding and it's an open question how far that slide will go. There's no doubt that Microsoft is on the outside of this party looking in, and it's unclear whether 7 will change that much.

Doesn't it also seem likely that a full quarter of iPhone 4 availability might reverse some, if not all, of that 1.3% drop?

Shouldn't Android, with its free licensing and greater openness, clearly be in the lead?

Shouldn't Microsoft, with the installed base of Windows to draw on and compatibility with desktop apps and services like Exchange, be dominating?

Isn't it still sort of remarkable that, with no experience in radio or cellular devices, Apple has reached the position is has in a few short years?

Android offers a great deal that is near parity with Apple's offering, but none of the others even come close. Isn't that also remarkable-- more remarkable than a 1.3% drop in marketshare during a period that included a major product launch by Apple in the last third of the period? Is there any possible justification for leaving that salient fact out of the commentary for those figures?
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post #297 of 361
9/17/10 at 1:53am
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How, exactly, does one drown in a school cafeteria?

Danger #36, strangely enough, from the best seller .... The Top 100 Dangers of Narcolepsy) ..... falling asleep in the soup! ....

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post #298 of 361
9/17/10 at 2:14am
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Control where you buy your apps, what services you access, etc., etc., etc. You know, like the good old days, when they made money off all that.

I see what you mean. Isn't it funny 'tho that, prior to iPhone, "talk time" was the most used feature on most cell phones (still is, on mine). Plus I guess, when the rest of the industry sees AT&Ts increased profits since iPhone ..... ( 5,000 percent increase in wireless data traffic ...... wireless data revenue up 27 percent.) .... they would, understandably want a piece of the action. Apple seems to be showing a lot of people that .... adding value can increase profits .. something a lot of companies still don't understand.

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post #299 of 361
9/17/10 at 2:18am
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I was at this guys house last night. He had a quad graphic card sli, i7, 64 gigs or high end ram and it blazes. All much less than a mac pro and ironically, he can install odd if he wanted, dual boot, blow away a mac pro and save almost half of what it would cost for a mac.

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post #300 of 361
9/17/10 at 6:38am
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BUT i have owned BOTH phones with both OSes. I have had an iPhone 3G then 3GS then iPhone 4 and now I have a HTC EVO. There is nothing functionally that that my iPhone could do that my EVO cannot do..........budget and schedule constraints have nothing to do with my using the phones....

And this statement, for the most part, is true! Though there are many specialized apps in the App Store, and especially games, for which there is no comparable product on Android. You also wrote earlier, IIRC, that there is nothing that iOS can do that Android cannot do better. I disagree with this wholeheartedly. This is where consumers seem to make the most mistakes in comparing products. For the most part iOS does all of these takes better than Android. It does them with greater ease, more accessibly, with more polish, and in a less time consuming manner. There absolutely are exceptions, including special phone features and elements of Android which are only available to iPhone users who have jailbroken their devices, but the level of engineering which has gone into iOS, and the much higher level of quality through the App Store, is of rather critical importance in making this comparison.

Where the line blurs is in the hands of an experienced technical user. They don't mind all the extra steps and hurdles involved in making their device work the way they want it to. They probably should more than they claim to—it impacts everyone else in their ecosystem—but this is nothing new. Linux is an excellent example of an operating system which can do so many things, but precious few things as well as might be done in Windows or OS X in the hands of a proper computer user (and near nothing as well in the hands of an inexperienced computer user).

Android is great for the right user, and it is a good platform, but I'm not sure how you can make such a statement having used both devices.
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post #301 of 361
9/17/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by haruhiko View Post

Good job, Android. You are nearly able to catch up with iPhone's market share (oops, not yet) by a gazillion of devices.


How fair it is!

Fair? Is this the 17th century where we had "gentlemenly rules"?

It like the iPhone is a huge battleship and Android is made up of a mass of fighters. And when Android starts chipping away at the iPhone battleship's armor, you complain that it was unfair because you don't have a single target to attack. We all know how that turned out in the Pacific during WWII.
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post #302 of 361
9/17/10 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Googles customers love Android, manufacturers and networks can load it with crapware to their hearts content and nickel and dime end naive end users egged on by a tech press minority who have been conned into promoting the "openess" of it all.

"Yeah Grandma, to get rid of vcast all you have to do is root it and install a custom ROM"

Or just not touch it? Or better yet, just uninstall it. VZ Nav is on my device, but it's never once kicked in when I put my device into navigation mode.
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post #303 of 361
9/17/10 at 7:34am
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... It like the iPhone is a huge battleship and Android is made up of a mass of fighters. And when Android starts chipping away at the iPhone battleship's armor, you complain that it was unfair because you don't have a single target to attack. We all know how that turned out in the Pacific during WWII.

A pleasant fantasy, except that all those Android "fighters" are also fighting each other.
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post #304 of 361
9/17/10 at 7:58am
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A pleasant fantasy, except that all those Android "fighters" are also fighting each other.

Not as much of a fantasy as reality. As much as you want to keep calling it fantasy, Android keeps chipping away at Apple day after day, month after month. I've been looking at the trends since Android smartphones became relevant and it continues to grow steadily while the iPhone continues to drop steadily.

While it could very well be temporary, as some have said. But as the trend is today, it doesn't seem to be that way.

And yes, they might be fighting each other, but they're still attacking the Apple mothership in the end.
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post #305 of 361
9/17/10 at 8:19am
So when did it become a sin to only totally control the most profitable portion of a product space? Too many folks keep trying to make a Microsoft comparison, but that was a complete market aberration, with a class of business productivity device nobody had ever dreamed of previously. And iPods were only so wildly successful because the only competition was undertaken by idiots. Anyone else could have put together a reasonable ecosystem and split the market, but when a couple tried to do that on the cheap, the consumes penalized them into oblivion because the result absolutely sucked.

The smartphone market won't devolve into a single manufacturer owning the entire space any more than non-smart cellphones. Apples stated goal entering the fray in 2007 was to gain a 1% total share of the cell market, and if they did that it was wild success. Well they have and it is a wild success. That isn't going away.

Where all this goes in the future isn't bout the phones, it's about the iPads. That's another game changing space which is just starting to redefine what a computer has to be. Not as big a change as the emergence of personal computers, but maybe as big as Model Ts. Given the long term success of Linux in the consumer space, I don't have any strong belief that Google will change that story into one of Microsoft level dominance. Really Android will help Mac OS X in the long run because it will do far more damage to Microsofts choke-hold on the PC industry, just as I think it has ensured a zero chance of WinPhone 7 from taking a dominant market share.

So if the above is even close to correct, Apple stays a couple years ahead of the pack in mobile computing usability and desire factor, constantly feeding a 30%+ market share that generates 75%+ of the product space profits. Gee who wants to complain about not owning the entire space, because if you look at it from a profits perspective they do and will for a long time.
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post #306 of 361
9/17/10 at 9:13am
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Stuck with an inferior phone.

By having more features, capabilities, CPU power and customizability to name a few?

Inferiority depends on the viewpoint of the viewer.

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post #307 of 361
9/17/10 at 10:02am
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Rule #36 ....

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post #308 of 361
9/17/10 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post

I disagree. Even if the OS were better, it wouldn't matter cuz the hardware is junk.

I had to borrow a friends android phone while camping. My iPhone had no signal, and his had a weak one. I tried to make a call, and the phone reboot itself. This happened 2 more times before I moved around thinking it was a signal issue. It finally worked.

If the phone can't make the call due to a weak signal, why would it reboot???

On a separate occasion, we were out looking for a place to eat. I asked him to look up a place on google and after trying a few times, he had to reboot it. He said its finicky and he has to reboot it sometimes because it gets slow".

Why would anyone put up with this garbage? They just don't know any better.

Sure andorid is much better than the crap phones used to have... but iOS is in much higher class.

The Evo is far from junk plus it's fast, has a lot of ram, gps, and some of the apps are really good. Factor in that Google Apps vs Googke promapps, you can have a synch experience like .mac, for free!!!
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post #309 of 361
9/17/10 at 11:00am
Having worked in IT and seeing people leave Server Windows 98 for google pro apps for enterprise, is happening.

Sure, maybe mom and pops info likes and dislikes might be for sale, which is not so bad really, especially if you are getting info from companies you never heard from might be a good thing. But I can assure you, with Pro Apps and cloud based server, thus us nit going to happen.

Blessings.
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So what you are saying is that if Apple were really greedy ... and wanted a bigger market share ... it would...do what exactly?
Give its OS away like Google?

Great business strategy!

C.

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Market Share is only one factor in success. Mind Share is another. Here in Australia, where the iPhone has always been available on the 4 main carriers - Telstra, Optus, 3 and Vodafone - the iPhone 4 continues to be sold out and new buyers are being asked to wait 3 to 5 weeks for their units. All the carrier stores carry Android phones as well, and, anecdotally, staff tell me that they are selling quite well, but that is a lot different from 'a 5 week wait'.

Mind Share becomes important because I suspect only 50% of people who walk into a store wanting a Smartphone are even aware of 'AntennaGate'. You can guarantee 100% will have heard of the 'iPhone'. This is SO important, because most new customers start from the position of wanting an iPhone, and possibly switch to an Android when the store says, "it's a 5 week wait for an iPhone4 or you can have a Samsung Galaxy S right now." Staff will be reluctant to let you leave the store empty handed - and we are a bunch of instant-gratification shoppers these days.

As a "mini-iPhone" strategy, the iPod Touch seems to be working out pretty well.

Google is more open - with your privacy.
Sold to the highest bigger so they can try and flog you stuff.

Perhaps raw sales figures are keenly sought out by Android admiring tech press, because they seek validation. Yes, the average man in the street has worked out Apple make superior products overall, but hey, if the Android sales figures are up, Android must be cool - right?

A previous comment nailed it. As App Developers, we develop for 4 platforms - iOS, Android, Windows Phone and webOS, but when it comes to pricing a warranty for a client for an Android App, we have to consider - Dell Android? HTC Android? Samsung Android? 2.1? 2.2? Screen resolution? etc. etc.

We recommend 8 Apps to our clients so that they can interface with our development process on their iPads. 8 business class Apps we are confident we can recommend to our clients for revenue critical activities. Only half of these Apps are available on Android. Doesn't really matter who has the most apps. But the "biggest app store" figure is important for.....Mind Share. Just ask your Marketing Manager. It is, however, genuinely hard to get a scientific measure of the quality of the platforms and app stores, but I think it is fairly clear to see which users are attracted to which features of the various platforms.

So Apple's strategy of Mind Share, not just Market Share, is sensible and plays to their strengths. The iPod Touch and iPad operate as precision marketing on behalf of iPhone/iOS. And the fact that iOS is PURPOSE DESIGNED to be used across MULTI-TOUCH DEVICES and not just Smartphones, really is the deal maker. Witness the number of Apps that now get iPhones and iPads to inter-operate. (And soon AppleTV?).....

As a company that designs and build custom iOS-specific Chips, Batteries, Screens, Hardware and Software, Apple does create supply problems for itself. But not being able to build products fast enough to satisfy demand is a problem I'd like to have.

Post-Christmas, with iOS, Android and Win Phone offerings available, hopefully the consumer will win, with competitive pricing and hopefully developers like us will win as we can take advantage of competition driven innovation.

So let's see the figures for July - September (post iPhone4 launch). Let's compare single carrier iPhone markets (USA) with multi-carrier iPhone markets (UK and Australia) and let's see the figures post holiday period when stocks of all iOS devices are ready for the buying season.
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9/17/10 at 11:04am
300 posts in and we're still talking civilly about which phone is better? When do we get to the personal attacks and posting of pictures of a roomful of Macs?
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9/17/10 at 11:11am
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9/17/10 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Control where you buy your apps, what services you access, etc., etc., etc. You know, like the good old days, when they made money off all that.

Yet, the only thing that has happened so far is that Verizon has removed Google Search from their Galaxy S (which can easily be bypassed and will be addressed in an updated) and that AT&T has locked out the ability to load apps from sources other than the Market, which is no different than the iPhone.

Neither of these I consider total control. I believe all the carriers have their own section of the Market where they can distribute their wares. Take into consideration that when Google Nav came out, Verizon did nothing to stand in its way.

If the carriers were to take advantage of Android and lock it down hard and force you to use their services like you propose, then why haven't they done it already? They could have easily done it right from the beginning, yet it's coming on 1 year since the original Droid was released and I have yet to see any indication that Verizon's going to take away my free Google Nav or force me to use their app market.

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I disagree. Even if the OS were better, it wouldn't matter cuz the hardware is junk.

I had to borrow a friends android phone while camping. My iPhone had no signal, and his had a weak one. I tried to make a call, and the phone reboot itself. This happened 2 more times before I moved around thinking it was a signal issue. It finally worked.

If the phone can't make the call due to a weak signal, why would it reboot???

On a separate occasion, we were out looking for a place to eat. I asked him to look up a place on google and after trying a few times, he had to reboot it. He said its finicky and he has to reboot it sometimes because it gets slow".

Why would anyone put up with this garbage? They just don't know any better.

Sure andorid is much better than the crap phones used to have... but iOS is in much higher class.

Which Android phone did your friend have? Because your post as-is makes me edge towards one of two options:

1. Your friend has an older Android phone like the G1 or Droid Eris, which would explain the performance issues, as their hardware isn't all the best considering what's out there now.

2. Your friend loaded a custom ROM onto his phone incorrectly or the ROM wasn't fully developed. I have a custom ROM loaded and it will lock and reboot once in a blue moon. But that's what happens when you choose to load up a ROM that has no QA other than the developer him/herself and the users to report bugs.
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post #313 of 361
9/17/10 at 11:30am
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So during the three month period that includes two months of presumably depressed 3GS sales, due to anticipation of the iPhone 4, but only one month of iPhone 4 sales, Apple's share dropped only 1.3%?

There's no doubt Android is and will continue to be a major player. There's no doubt that current king of the hill, RIM, is sliding and it's an open question how far that slide will go. There's no doubt that Microsoft is on the outside of this party looking in, and it's unclear whether 7 will change that much.

Doesn't it also seem likely that a full quarter of iPhone 4 availability might reverse some, if not all, of that 1.3% drop?

Shouldn't Android, with its free licensing and greater openness, clearly be in the lead?

Shouldn't Microsoft, with the installed base of Windows to draw on and compatibility with desktop apps and services like Exchange, be dominating?

Isn't it still sort of remarkable that, with no experience in radio or cellular devices, Apple has reached the position is has in a few short years?

Android offers a great deal that is near parity with Apple's offering, but none of the others even come close. Isn't that also remarkable-- more remarkable than a 1.3% drop in marketshare during a period that included a major product launch by Apple in the last third of the period? Is there any possible justification for leaving that salient fact out of the commentary for those figures?

Question. Shouldn't android be in lead cause it's free licensing.
Answer: No. You cannot go from 0 to the lead. Also iOS licensing is free to apple. What's your point?.

Question. Shouldn't microsoft be dominating.
Answer. No. Apple is dominating in ipods and iphone, yet it's not dominating in desktops. Shouldn't people want apple desktops if they all have iphones and ipods?. See how silly that question is?

Question. Isn't is surprising that apple has dominated market in few years with no experience.
Answer: isn't it surprising that Google is major player and will dominate the market with no prior experience in phone software?.

Your questions are redundant. Prior experience has no determination on market domination. Apple started to make Operating systems before Microsoft did and look who dominates that market. I can start a company tomorrow and dominate the market. All i need to do is hire people who know how to make phones and come up with an innovative idea.
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post #314 of 361
9/17/10 at 11:36am
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Every Android customer using Google services is a product which can be sold to other companies.

I don't like being treated as a product (without my permission). That's why I am systematically cutting back on use of Google services.
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Wait till apple introduce their iAd, then you will really be pissed. Guess what, every company data mines their customers. You think the ads on your iphone will be random ads?. Which advertiser in the digital age will advertise on a platform that does not allow them to target their audience?.. Just remember to recycle your iphone when you get rid of it in anger.
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post #315 of 361
9/17/10 at 11:39am
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I hope we get more stories of the ascendance of Android's market share that seals Apple's fate. Also, Carol Bartz sounding off more often about why/how Apple is doomed.

AAPL up $6.35 today. Love it.

(If you see a variant of this post in another thread, it's on purpose).

Stories of apple demise is just as stupid as stories of apple destroying Android. Apple has a legion of fans that are not going anywhere and google android is not going anywhere. Both fanboys and apple haters make themselves look foolish when they issue dumb statements.
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post #316 of 361
9/17/10 at 11:56am
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Question. Shouldn't android be in lead cause it's free licensing.
Answer: No. You cannot go from 0 to the lead.

I can start a company tomorrow and dominate the market. All i need to do is hire people who know how to make phones and come up with an innovative idea.

I just love it when I see someone who knows when to argue with himself, in the same post, no less ........ I wonder who'll win? ...

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9/17/10 at 12:06pm
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I just love it when I see someone who knows when to argue with himself, in the same post, no less ........ I wonder who'll win? ...

I didn't say dominate immediately. Are you an idiot or just pretending?.

I can start a company tomorrow and dominate the market. Any reasonable person would assume that if i was truly innovative, that it would take time but that it can eventually happen.

Should i have said

I can start a company tomorrow and dominate in 2 years?.. or i can start a company tomorrow and dominate in 5 years?

Are you one of those people who needs everything spelled out to them?

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Ok, i see the confusion. I should have said
"You cannot go from 0 to the lead immediately. You have to gradually get there". I assumed everyone understood 0 to lead to mean, you cannot immediately grab the lead. Even apple was not immediately in the lead, even though it was obvious their phone was innovative (everybody and their grandmother is now releasing touchscreen phones and phones that does pinch and zoom.. all thanks to apple innovation). Actually, apple is not even in the lead right now. The original questions were still silly.. anyone can turn those questions on its head and ask apple the same questions.. how come apple is not in the lead if their phone is the best? (and i know every fanboy thinks apple phone is the best).. the answer to that is obviously, apple has to grow their market share, it's not instantaneous.
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post #318 of 361
9/17/10 at 12:18pm
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I didn't say dominate immediately. Are you an idiot or just pretending?.

I can start a company tomorrow and dominate the market. Any reasonable person would assume that if i was truly innovative, that it would take time but that it can eventually happen.

Should i have said

I can start a company tomorrow and dominate in 2 years?.. or i can start a company tomorrow and dominate in 5 years?

Are you one of those people who needs everything spelled out to them?

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Ok, i see the confusion. I should have said
"You cannot go from 0 to the lead immediately. You have to gradually get there".

Apology ? accepted. ...

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post #319 of 361
9/17/10 at 1:53pm
With a growing number of unhappy iPhone users, due to iOS 4 issues not being addressed by Apple (especially for 3GS users), many are giving up and jumping ship. It's no surprise numbers are down for Apple. They stopped being the company that got their reputation for high quality products and service. Perhaps the new found fortune and popularity has compromised their legendary integrity, that it's now all about the almighty dollar, and less about it's consumers' satisfaction.

As a long time Apple supporter, it's sad to see them go in the direction of Microsoft. Advice; they should check their own forum sight to get an idea of what is going on. They said they have no idea about the 3GS issues with iOS 4? Well, there's at least one thread (about 100 pages and counting) that says it all.

Apparently for 3GS users having issues, iOS 4.1 is a bust. But, in fairness, 3G users are happier now with 4.1.
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9/17/10 at 3:58pm
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Wait till apple introduce their iAd, then you will really be pissed. Guess what, every company data mines their customers. You think the ads on your iphone will be random ads?. Which advertiser in the digital age will advertise on a platform that does not allow them to target their audience?.. Just remember to recycle your iphone when you get rid of it in anger.

1) I can choose to buy or download only those apps that do not have ads.

2) Apple has stated that the data they mine. will be provided on a macro level to advertisers, no individual or personal data will be included.

3) Apple has a clean history and track record.

4) I believe that Apple will do what they say.

5) I am an iOS developer and understand how iAds work.

6) I plan to use iAds in several of my free apps.

7) I have a 32-year relationship with Apple in most capacities except as an employee. I trust Apple more than Google, the State of California, My Bank, etc. not to sell my personal data.

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