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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

You couldn't be more wrong about the developer community! Try educating yourself before you make such stupid claims.

I'm always amazed at how insulting some iPhone fanatics are! I've not once called anyone's post "stupid" or anything of the kind on here. Kinda reeks of insecurity about one's platform.

LOL. Dude, you're way too serious here.
post #82 of 361
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Originally Posted by mgl323 View Post

Android is rising because Apple is letting Android rise. .

How does that fit into Apple's strategy?
post #83 of 361
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Originally Posted by jayhammy View Post

Android is fragmented? I'm so tired of hearing that from clueless iPhone users.
iOS is also fragmented if you want to compare: can you put iOS 4 on an original iPhone? How about on an iPhone 3G? Nope. Now that's fragmentation, my friend.
And, with Android 2.2 (and the upcoming 3.0 Gingerbread), it's even less of an issue.

Plus, you're wrong on the "kicking Android's butt" part outside of the U.S. Last quarter, Android outsold iPhone for the first time. It's all there. Yeah, I know--it's hard to accept.

You don’t understand what is meant by this context or are purposely trying to be obtuse. You can’t put Mac OS X on the first Mac either. You have to draw the line somewhere.

iOS is updated for ALL of Apple’s iPhones at the same time each year, and they supply updates for devices for three full years. The same can’t be said of Android, which is still shipping *new* items with version 1.6, has many devices still stuck on much older versions with no hope of being upgraded since it’s up to the vendor and/or carrier, no consistency among UIs, and even the ability for crapware apps and a lock out of search engines which is even worse than the $400 notebooks that are supplemented by such tactics.

While technically the introduction of a new device each year with better HW and more features does create a fragment it’s a simple linear model where the older device can’t get all the updates of the newer device and after 3 years of rich updates don’t get any new updates, compared to a fractured model that looks like it was created by Mandelbrot.

Q: When will iOS 5.0 become a beta?
Q: When will iOS 5.0 launch?
Q: What devices will be able to get the iOS 5.0 update?
Q: Will all iPhones sold after iOS 5.0 drops get iOS 5.0?

Q: When will Honeycomb become a beta?
Q: When will Honeycomb launch?
Q: What devices will be able to get the Honeycomb update at that time?
Q: Will all Android-based phones sold after Honeycomb drops get iOS 5.0?

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post #84 of 361
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Originally Posted by donlphi View Post


Really, as an iPhone user, that's my main reason for not trying an Android phone. I've already committed to the App Store.



Apple's lock-in strategy seems to be succeeding.
post #85 of 361
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Originally Posted by umrk View Post

In Spring next year, iPad sales will slow down because most people will wait for the next version. At that time a bunch of stupid analysts will claim Apple is in trouble (and iPad should go to funerals ...).

When the new version will be issued, sales will boom again, and the competitors will still be in the position that their "soon to come" tablet will kill Apple ...

Ill see your prediction and add to it

Even though overall marketshare will slowly decrease over time as other competitors who are technically in the same product category realize that following Apples lead in both HW and SW design is the only way for them to make any headway Apples economy of scale and increased YoY unit sales will have Apples revenue and profit continually taking a larger and larger share of the market.
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post #86 of 361
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

You don’t understand what is meant or are purposely trying to be obtuse. You can’t put Mac OS X on the first Mac either. OH NO!

Let me attempt to make this clear to you; iOS is updated for ALL of Apple’s iPhones at the same time each year, and they supply updates for devices for three full years. The same can’t be said of Android, which is still shipping *new* items with version 1.6, has many devices still stuff on much older versions with no hope of being upgraded since it’s up to the vendor and/or carrier, no consistency among UIs, and even the ability for crapware apps and a lock out of search engines which is even worse than the $400 notebooks that are supplemented by such tactics.

While technically the introduction of a new device each year with better HW and more features does create a fragment it’s a simple linear model where the older device can’t get all the updates of the newer device and after 3 years of rich updates don’t get any new updates, compared to a fractured model that looks like it was created by Mandelbrot.

Q: When will iOS 5.0 become a beta?
Q: When will iOS 5.0 launch?
Q: What devices will be able to get the iOS 5.0 update?
Q: Will all iPhones sold after iOS 5.0 drops get iOS 5.0?

Q: When will Honeycomb become a beta?
Q: When will Honeycomb launch?
Q: What devices will be able to get the Honeycomb update at that time?
Q: Will all Android-based phones sold after Honeycomb drops get iOS 5.0?

Again, if you say you can’t see difference between these business models then I don’t know what to tell you except that you are in way over your head in this forum or you are purposely ignoring the facts.

Good points and well stated. I agree that it's certainly not the same business model. I also never stated that Android is NOT fragmented--it's just that I'm tired of hearing that statement because it affects the overall user experience less than it once did. If it was such a barrier to a good experience, then I think one would agree that Android wouldn't be where it is today in terms of market share and adoption rate. We cannot ignore the fact that Android is the only OS to have actually gained market share while every other one has lost share. In addition, your assertion that there are still devices coming out with 1.6 is true on one device--which will be updated to 2.2 within weeks. That's hardly an issue for 99% of users.

Regardless, I respect your points but still must state that iOS still has own fragmentation issue. Look what happened with iOS on the 3G. It was an absolute disaster.
post #87 of 361
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Originally Posted by ouragan View Post

At best, Apple's strategy can only lead to an early success followed by a downfall to a 5% world market share. Some people never learn. Greed and supersized egos. Alas.


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While 5% is around the level of success for Apple's computers, I think that iPhone will do better. There are millions of people who bought an iPhone back when it was the best available phone, and they still like their iPhones a lot. I think that a lot of people will keep their iPhones, for various reasons, despite the availability of compelling choices in the current (and the future) marketplace. There's a lot to like about the iPhone, and inertia is strong among consumers.

The Mac NEVER had much market share. Things are different now with Apple.

They now make mass-market products aimed directly at the lowest common denominator. They now have some cache. They now are seen as a premium brand instead of a fringe brand.

I suspect the iPhone will remain popular, despite there being better choices available.
post #88 of 361
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/09/...medium=twitter
Mac OS X has a tiny market share. And yet Apple is apparently now the number 1 PC manufacturer in terms of profits.

iOS has a very large market share. And unit sales are increasing year on year. Apple is now taking almost half of all the cellphone profits in the industry and that share is going up.

Andoid as a free technology that is really quite good, it's not surprising that handset makers are making use of it. It's certainly cheaper than wasting $2b a year like Nokia does.
So if Oracle don't kill it, I can easily see Android getting 60% or more of the handset OS install base - as more manufacturers adopt it.

So would that mean that Apple had "lost"?
To whom exactly? In terms of revenues it would leave Apple massively ahead of any rival company, by a gigantic margin.

#androidisnotacompany

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post #89 of 361
I recently switched to the Droid X after using iPhone 2g for 1 year and 3g for a year.
I can honestly say I regret that switch. For all the features the phone has I find the user experience is not as good as iOS.

Also I find it unacceptable that a new device is still using the older OS.
And why do we have to wait for the Carrier to push out the OS Updates?
Concerning Apps I dont have the secure feeling I had when using Apples App Store.

As soon as my financial situation permits I will be Running back to Apple and AT&T.

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post #90 of 361
How does this work?

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"Google...17 percent, Apple...23.8"

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In June, Android passed iOS to become the third-most-popular mobile phone OS in the world, according to Gartner.

Seems something is conflicting. Or some whacked stat interpretation is going on.
post #91 of 361
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Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post

There is a significant segment of the tech community that does not like the way Apple plays gatekeeper regarding application approvals. So they will favor Android over Apple for sound philosophical reasons. ...

More like, "There is a segment of the tech community who stupidly believe Google's marketing about Android's openness. So they will favor Android over Apple for what the conceive as philosophical reasons, but really because they are too stupid to understand what's going on."
post #92 of 361
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Originally Posted by jayhammy View Post

Android is fragmented? I'm so tired of hearing that from clueless iPhone users.
iOS is also fragmented if you want to compare: can you put iOS 4 on an original iPhone? How about on an iPhone 3G? Nope. Now that's fragmentation, my friend.
And, with Android 2.2 (and the upcoming 3.0 Gingerbread), it's even less of an issue.

Plus, you're wrong on the "kicking Android's butt" part outside of the U.S. Last quarter, Android outsold iPhone for the first time. It's all there. Yeah, I know--it's hard to accept.

Get over it, my friend. They aren't ``clueless iPhone users' '. They don't have iPhones. This board is hijacked by people, who never come around Apple products. Their entire knowledge is the collection of quotes pinched here and there on the web. You can tell them all you want about incompatibilities of OS versions run by iPads and iPhones. They don't know what that is about.

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post #93 of 361
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Originally Posted by Rind View Post

I recently switched to the Droid X after using iPhone 2g for 1 year and 3g for a year.
I can honestly say I regret that switch. For all the features the phone has I find the user experience is not as good as iOS.

Also I find it unacceptable that a new device is still using the older OS.
And why do we have to wait for the Carrier to push out the OS Updates?
Concerning Apps I dont have the secure feeling I had when using Apples App Store.

As soon as my financial situation permits I will be Running back to Apple and AT&T.

I agree with you here, for sure. That's the same annoyance with Blackberry--having to wait for the carrier to push out updates. However, the Droid X update is coming out this month. And, with the next iteration of Android 3.0, supposedly (we'll see) it will be less carrier and device dependent.

Secure feeling about apps? What is that exactly?
post #94 of 361
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

It's certainly cheaper than wasting $2b a year like Nokia does.
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Still throwing around your false numbers again, can you please post correct information.
post #95 of 361
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Get over it, my friend. They aren't ``clueless iPhone users' '. They don't have iPhones. This board is hijacked by people, who never come around Apple products. Their entire knowledge is the collection of quotes pinched here and there on the web. You can tell them all you want about incompatibilities of OS versions run by iPads and iPhones. They don't know what that is about.

Agreed. It goes both ways. Clueless Android users do the same. I'm pretty respectful on this board, but I've noticed that not everyone is. Some have called my posts "stupid" and have even called me "loser," etc.

I may make a general reference to "clueless" iPhone users, but I don't bash a specific poster. Believe me, there are plenty of clueless Android/Blackberry/Winmo users as well.

One fact, though, is that I'm far from clueless.
post #96 of 361
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Originally Posted by jayhammy View Post

Good points and well stated. I agree that it's certainly not the same business model. I also never stated that Android is NOT fragmented--it's just that I'm tired of hearing that statement because it affects the overall user experience less than it once did. If it was such a barrier to a good experience, then I think one would agree that Android wouldn't be where it is today in terms of market share and adoption rate. We cannot ignore the fact that Android is the only OS to have actually gained market share while every other one has lost share.

I can certainly see your point about the terminology. I dislike people using obsolete when obsolescing is more accurate, especially when they refer to a new computerized device as making the previous model obsolete.

Perhaps we should use a clearly term, e.g.: linear fragmentation v. divergent fragmentation.

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Regardless, I respect your points but still must state that iOS still has own fragmentation issue. Look what happened with iOS on the 3G. It was an absolutely disaster.

That was a bug and shouldnt be included in a debate about fragmentation, unless you want to discuss the way Apple likely fragments their dev teams putting the most gifted on the iPhone 4, the next on the 3GS and the rest on the 3G. Its been resolved with 4.1 from everyone I know, and it wasnt even present on the 3G of one family member who installed 4.0 against by recommendation.
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post #97 of 361
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Originally Posted by shompa View Post

Apple needs to diversify its iphone segments.

An Iphone Nano/Mini with a lover price point could do it.

The SonyEricsson mini experia 10 is an exempel that people wants smaller smart phones.

It looks sweet.

But do they add thickness to make up for the smaller faceplate? In the pics, it looks thick. I keep my phone in my front pocket, so thickness is more important to me than the circumference.

And screen size is important, especially with these little mini-screens that they use on phones. If anything, I'd want one of the new phones with screens larger than the iPhone, not smaller. I find myself using the iPhone less and less frequently for any task I can do on a bigger screen.

For example, I get notifications from certain networking sites. Its great getting the notification on my phone. But I walk over to the computer to read (and especially to respond) to the message.
post #98 of 361
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I disagree. Even if the OS were better, it wouldn't matter cuz the hardware is junk.

I had to borrow a friends android phone while camping. My iPhone had no signal, and his had a weak one. I tried to make a call, and the phone reboot itself. This happened 2 more times before I moved around thinking it was a signal issue. It finally worked.

If the phone can't make the call due to a weak signal, why would it reboot???

On a separate occasion, we were out looking for a place to eat. I asked him to look up a place on google and after trying a few times, he had to reboot it. He said its finicky and he has to reboot it sometimes because it gets slow".

Why would anyone put up with this garbage? They just don't know any better.

Sure andorid is much better than the crap phones used to have... but iOS is in much higher class.

But what what stands out in your "i hate anything not Apple" anecdote is why didn't you do any of those things on YOUR iPhone? because you couldn't. The android phone (which phone and carrier?) was the only one working and with a signal....

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post #99 of 361
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Originally Posted by joindup View Post

A previous comment nailed it. As App Developers, we develop for 4 platforms - iOS, Android, Windows Phone and webOS, but when it comes to pricing a warranty for a client for an Android App, we have to consider - Dell Android? HTC Android? Samsung Android? 2.1? 2.2? Screen resolution? etc. etc.

It's very interesting you don't develop for BlackBerry. Why not? Thoughts on BlackBerry 6?

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As a company that designs and build custom iOS-specific Chips, Batteries, Screens, Hardware and Software, Apple does create supply problems for itself. But not being able to build products fast enough to satisfy demand is a problem I'd like to have.

Maybe you, but not me, not here. When there's such a demand for phones, that you're losing sales, this is a more serious problem than most think. It's one thing if customers hear "Sorry, five-week wait", and they choose to wait. That's one thing. But it's a whole 'nuther story if they walk out of the store with an Android phone. Those people may be satisfied with Android, and buy apps, and stick with the platform. That's lost money on Apple's end, for years on end. If Apple made enough to keep up with demand, then perhaps they could sell over 200,000 per day.

Right now, Apple makes about 160,000 iPhones per day, and that's not enough. Foxconn's building another factory that will make another 200,000 per day, meaning within a year, Apple could make 360,000 iPhones per day. But another thing I hear is that smartphone demand is increasing by 100% year to year. So it's not impossible to think that by 2012, demand for iPhones could reach 500,000 per day. This supply shortage problem is likely a chronic issue for Apple, I'm afraid. It's easier to keep up with iOS demand if Apple allows multiple manufacturers to use many more factories to build iOS phones. Steve won't do that, however, and I can't entirely blame him for that.

The one thing that may save Apple, here, is Android's Oracle patent suit. If Apple and Microsoft can work separately or together to sell to HTC, Samsung, and all these other Android makers, the concept that continuing to support the platform is an expensive mistake, then perhaps the Android makers will stop developing Android products. Then, customers would be forced to switch from Android. This gives Apple the chance to, in the meantime, build enough factories to make a million iPhones, or more, per day, and hopefully get back on the right track with supply vs. demand.
post #100 of 361
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I'm sure some people want a smaller phone, but most of the Android handsets I've seen are as big or even bigger than the iPhone. That tells me there's a big market for large screen phones.

But it tells you nothing about whether there is a significant market for small form-factor phones.

IMO, future "phones" will not be standalone devices that you carry separately. They will be integrated into other common stuff, or fit completely within the ear like a bluetooth headset or a hearing aid.

There's already integration of the phone into your pocket computer, but as of now, the phone function is what is emphasized. I think that the concept of "phone which is kinda like a crappy little computer" will be replaced by "hot shit pocket computer, which, of course, also includes a phone".
post #101 of 361
Is there any chance we could see unit sales, by model? How does iPhone 4 compare to the Droid Incredible? EVO 4G? Blackberry Storm? Why isn't this information out there like these OS numbers?

Just curious.
post #102 of 361
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I agree with you here, for sure. That's the same annoyance with Blackberry--having to wait for the carrier to push out updates. However, the Droid X update is coming out this month. And, with the next iteration of Android 3.0, supposedly (we'll see) it will be less carrier and device dependent.

Secure feeling about apps? What is that exactly?


Not holding my breath for 2.2 ,

Since the apps arent tested by Google , or certified in any way other than the developer I have the feeling that Im playing Russian roulette when buying apps.

Good thing I didnt use that wallpaper app that was gathering users information.

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post #103 of 361
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Android's rise is temporary. Microsoft will take a bit away from Android. RIM will eventually come around with decent hardware (i.e. Storm 3 this winter) and Nokia will break into America. WebOS may make a dent too but we'll see if HP let's it die on the vine.

Maybe those new entrants will expand the market, rather than poaching existing customers? The smartphone industry is currently riding a rising tide. Everybody can do well. Apple can do well with a small slice of the market. They do it with their computers, and likely will do it with their phone.

Android shows no sign of slowing down. If anything, it is accelerating in popularity among consumers who think different.
post #104 of 361
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More like, "There is a segment of the tech community who stupidly believe Google's marketing about Android's openness. So they will favor Android over Apple for what the conceive as philosophical reasons, but really because they are too stupid to understand what's going on."

I disagree...the tech savvy know that there is nothing on a IOS device that cannot be done as well or better on an Android device.
I have owned both the iPhone 4 and an HTC EVO. They both have great qualities! But the EVO in my humble opinion blows the iPhone away. I am NOT an Apple hater by any means I have in my house right now 2 iPhone 3Gs, 2 iMacs and Macbook Pro and an iPad so I am an Apple supporter through my purchasing decisions. I wonder how many people that are slamming Android phones have ever actually owned one!
Watch this video about HTC Sense and tell me it does not blow you away...
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There is so much customizing you can do from every aspect from the HTC Sense overlay to custom ROMS that Apple cannot compete with......

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post #105 of 361
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Meanwhile the iP4 is sold out and selling faster than they can make them.

This is the crux of it. Not enough available, esp. the white (for instance, my wife has given up waiting). Apple screwed up in a big way with its supply chain.

Thank goodness they told Papermaster to take a hike. (And, I still maintain that it was a really poor decision to hire him, a decision that seems to have been largely implemented when Steve was away from his CEO job for six months).
post #106 of 361
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Is this because Android is better? Should I sell my iPhone 4 before iOS reaches zero percent market share?

Keep it until the ecosystem for another phone makes you happier. That is the only significance of market share to you.

Indeed, some devices are attractive enough without significant market share or ecosystem. I used to own a hot-shit Moto phone, for example. It was one of the only phones on the market at the time which could play MP3s. It had removable storage, and I could load up a micro-SD card with lots of music. It was one of the best phones I've ever owned.

But for chargers, I had to search. And the headphone jack was not standard, so I had to use the Moto headphones or a very few other choices.

But because it was such a great phone, it was all OK.

Same with the iPhone. There's a lot to like, even if the ecosystem shrinks proportionately with market share. As of now, CE stores devote a lot of shelf space to iPhone accessories. As other choices gain marketshare, accessories for them will replace the iPhone accessories on the limited shelf space.

But if you still like your iPhone, keep it. All it needs to do is to retain a critical mass, and it will retain a sufficient ecosystem.

Hey - there's practically no ecosystem for the Mac, but people still are able to get enough software that they keep 'em.
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I disagree...the tech savvy know that there is nothing on a IOS device that cannot be done as well or better on an Android device.
I have owned both the iPhone 4 and an HTC EVO. They both have great qualities! But the EVO in my humble opinion blows the iPhone away. I am NOT an Apple hater by any means I have in my house right now 2 iPhone 3Gs, 2 iMacs and Macbook Pro and an iPad so I am an Apple supporter through my purchasing decisions. I wonder how many people that are slamming Android phones have ever actually owned one!
Watch this video about HTC Sense and tell me it does not blow you away...
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There is so much customizing you can do from every aspect from the HTC Sense overlay to custom ROMS that Apple cannot compete with......

It's nice to hear reports from people like you who actually OWN and USE both iPhone and Android devices. There aren't many who have that luxury.
post #108 of 361
They would just go to a carrier independent phone like they do in the rest of the world.Then the carriers wouldn't screw up the phones with their crapware and restrictions.
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Not holding my breath for 2.2 ,

Since the apps arent tested by Google , or certified in any way other than the developer I have the feeling that Im playing Russian roulette when buying apps.

Good thing I didnt use that wallpaper app that was gathering users information.

All Market apps have to be approved to get on the Market. They do scrutinize, but in a very different way than Apple does. Apple uses its own "morality" code to keep out certain apps. That's akin to a network editing out foul language from a movie or TV show.

To be sure, the Market is far from perfect, but it's also newer than Apple's. It's maturing.

One other thing: all apps you purchase on the Market have a 24-hour refund policy, so if you don't like it, uninstall/refund. It's pretty simple. I'm not sure if the App Store has that policy.

One more thing: the Market has far more free apps than the app store, so chances are, most of your downloads are free ones, so there's nothing to lose in terms of money.
post #110 of 361
pouahahahahahahah what a false report it is.


Let's stop those conversation. This study ending by the end of July so just one month after the iPhone 4 is made available and sold out in the first week. most of that study was when the iPhone 4 was not on sale and everybody wait for the next generation. Who will buy the iPhone 3GS wjhen everybody know the new model is coming.

The iPhone 4 still not available everywere in the world, how can we say that android raise is market share and Apple lost some points. Let's wait when Apple will ba able to meet demand.

The guy in CNN think the same way than me.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/09/...Top+Stories%29

Android lover take this
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Originally Posted by jayhammy View Post

All Market apps have to be approved to get on the Market. They do scrutinize, but in a very different way than Apple does. Apple uses its own "morality" code to keep out certain apps. That's akin to a network editing out foul language from a movie or TV show.

To be sure, the Market is far from perfect, but it's also newer than Apple's. It's maturing.

One other thing: all apps you purchase on the Market have a 24-hour refund policy, so if you don't like it, uninstall/refund. It's pretty simple. I'm not sure if the App Store has that policy.

One more thing: the Market has far more free apps than the app store, so chances are, most of your downloads are free ones, so there's nothing to lose in terms of money.

Also so I can go to one website http://www.appbrain.com/ and browse all the apps I want and install/uninstall right from the the website without ever having to touch my phone. If I completely wiped my phone and started over with a new ROM I can go to this site and reinstall all of my apps again.......it remembers the ones that were purchased and I will not get charged again....

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It only takes listening to 30 seconds of the sales pitch from one of the sales people at a local branch of a national electronics chain to understand one of the reasons that Android is doing so well (conversation paraphrased):

Customer: I'd like to buy a smartphone.

Salesperson: Have you considered an Android phone.

Customer: I was sort of hoping for an iPhone.

Salesperson: Well, iPhones are okay but they have reception problems, they're quite expensive and the operating system isn't any better than Android. I can show you 3 or 4 phones that give you everything an iPhone gives you but they are cheaper, have no reception problems and offer you apps just like the iPhone.

Customer: Sure, let's have a look...

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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

It's very interesting you don't develop for BlackBerry. Why not? Thoughts on BlackBerry 6?

We just develop for those platforms clients ask us for. Currently, for Apps, we get:

iOS = 85% of client enquiries
Android = 10% of client enquiries
Win Phone 7 = 5% of client enquiries

We haven't had a single Blackberry or webOS enquiry now for almost 5 months. There doesn't seem to be the demand to...... 'extend' ..... from clients that have fleets of BB.

Clients also have to review existing Apps on a platform in conjunction with their bespoke project, so they can assess the total value of their investment (in the device/platform).

And of course the iOS figures includes both iPad and iPhone, with demand between the two about 50/50.

You might be right about Apple not being able to meet demand being a problem. One of our iOS projects is for a Corporate that gave up on Win Mobile and couldn't wait for Win Phone 7. Although, to be fair, the decision was also based on the Enterprise Security features now baked into iOS. And, again, because staff demand was for iPhone (Mind Share again - see my earlier post). So who knows how the market shakes out, if iPhone4s were in plentiful supply. Not being US based, it is hard to tell for sure, but from here, single carrier certainly seems to be part of the issue.

One interesting difference, is the request for Apps for Android are totally utilitarian, whereas iOS requests are more varied, including marketing vehicles, hardware integrations and promotional tools.
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It only takes listening to 30 seconds of the sales pitch from one of the sales people at a local branch of a national electronics chain to understand one of the reasons that Android is doing so well (conversation paraphrased):

Customer: I'd like to buy a smartphone.

Salesperson: Have you considered an Android phone.

Customer: I was sort of hoping for an iPhone.

Salesperson: Well, iPhones are okay but they have reception problems, they're quite expensive and the operating system isn't any better than Android. I can show you 3 or 4 phones that give you everything an iPhone gives you but they are cheaper, have no reception problems and offer you apps just like the iPhone.

Customer: Sure, let's have a look...

Etc.

Bingo! I have been in Best Buy and heard that EXACT same conversation between a customer and a sales rep........

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This point may have already been made. But Android's success should help to convince Steve Jobs that it's past time for the Verizon iPhone. I know I'm ready for one. Nevertheless, I do like Android's rise. It pushes Apple to get even better.
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Apple's market share may be decreasing, but the absolute number of iPhones that Apple is selling every month is growing rapidly. Apple has never been about the market share. They don't care about the market share. What is important is the size of the profit margin that Apple is able to pocket from every iPhone they are selling, not the number of iPhones they are selling. Apple could lower the price of the iPhone by 40% and still make some money. This would boost their market share dramatically, but this would decrease the profits and would negatively affect the stock. As a share holder, I do not care about the current market share that the iPhone holds. What I care about is that Apple continues to post record revenue and record profit numbers every quarter.

Android, by the way, is not "selling" anything - it is free. Various hardware manufacturers that use Android as a platform are selling their hardware. None of them is selling more smart phones than Apple is selling. Android is creating a monster with their fragmentation of the OS. They are allowing various smart phone manufacturers to run discrete User Interfaces on top of the stock Android OS. Therefore, from the user perspective, we should be speaking of Androids not the Android. At the same time, Google is trying to make money on Android by pushing adds to user phones. Why would anyone want to have a semi-functional device with horrible battery life, mediocre apps, and at the same time volunteer to be subjected to incessant ads for the same price that one could get an iPhone is beyond me.

If you can jailbreak your iPhone, you get the best of two worlds - a very tightly integrated OS, best mobile apps on the market, and the ability to go beyond what Steve Jobs thinks you should be allowed to do on your iPhone. However, for 95% of smart phone users, the stock iPhone (without a jailbreak) is a perfect smart phone. Once the iPhone goes CDMA, only masochists will be getting an Android phone if the price of the iPhone is the same as an Android phone. Smart phone manufacturers that chose Android as their platform will have to give away their phones, hoping to recoup the manufacturing costs via carriers sharing revenue from subscription services. Apple, on the other hand, can continue pocketing 45% profit margin off every iPhone they are selling.
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First off those of you sitting in glee at the STATISTICS just remember if it had not been for Apple you would still be using your mobile with a crappy interface.

i agree. if it weren't for Apple competing there wouldn't have been such a significant advancement.

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The whole episode proves that competition does not promote advancement, the whole mobile industry were delivering the same same phones year in year out.

oh wait, i don't agree with you as you don't even agree with yourself.
post #118 of 361
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If the walled garden model is so great, then why does Apple allow this supposedly horrible, buggy and insecure software to be loaded onto their Macs?

If you laptop crashes, you can re-install the OS and start over. If you phone crashes, you have no more phone, which may result in some serious consequences. Also, smart phones function on battery life most of the time. Badly written apps can drain the battery very quickly, creating a negative PR for the phone itself. For laptops, the battery life is not nearly as critical as it is for smart phones.

I am sure there are about 1,000 more reasons why Apple is not instituting a "walled garden" model for OS X applications.
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Apple needs enough market share that developers (developers! developers! developers! ) create apps for iOS. Microsoft won out partly because of the lockstep Office/Windows and because of third party developments. The Android market is so immature compared to the iOS market that the development is still in Apple's favour. Phones like Android phones, RIM phones, Nokia and a future WinPhone7 have a lot of catching up top do still. And the actual money made in Android market is still not much (let alone the other contenders). As long as that is the case, the Mac/Win95 comparison is not really applicable.

If Microsoft succeeds at putting a believable Office on WinPhone7, it alone might do very good in the business world to start with and that gives you a market share that developers will flock to.

Apple relaxing the app store rulings on other developer environments can also partly be seen in this light: it is the developers that are a key ingredient in the circle that drives tha platform.

Android is a possible platform contender, but so far outside the US it is mainly a feature phone +. What is it? Only 6 countries where Android developers can actually charge for apps? ANd where are usable ANdroid tablets that can run the same apps? And where is the change in the Android's memory model that will allow it to run larger apps? Android phones are cheap partly because they have not much memory and you need to add it with a SD card that is limited in its use as an app playground. Has that changed yet? Google announced it would change over a year ago. That is going to change, but so is Apple's lock to AT&T in the US. And how is Google going to make money on Android? If not, how are they going to keep up? ANd what about Chrome vs Android? If Chrome is going to be the laptop OS, what does that spell for Android as a 'mobile platform', that is, more than just smartphones?

Anyway, Apple can still screw up and they are only one company in the end. They are currently not motivated to reduce their margins as they cannot grow fast enough to make up for that.

But on the other hand, the ecosystem is looking nicer and nicer, with Facetime, the remote app on your phone handling your in house entertainment streaming via AirPlay, the 7in retina display iPad and more to come.

Android is doing good in the US market, but it is not a done deal. The developers at least will flock to here they can make money best.

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how about you dont talk about something you dont know anything about? k? thanks.
I hate how all you people bash andriod when you dont even know what your saying. If your gonna bash it... atleast say something that is relevant to the current time...

the samsung epic comes with 16 gb micro sd... and you can replace that with 32 gb if you wanted..thats plenty of space.. and you can install apps on it and simply take the card from phone to phone and not have to reinstall everything.
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I also think the HTC Evo is a good phone. But one thing I dont like about the evo is that it tends to eat up the battery fast. My friend has the evo and he has an extra battery and always carries his charger around with him. If you're gonna use the hdmi or mobile hotspot, make sure to use it while it's in the charger lol

lol... show me a phone where mobile hotspot doest completely drain the battery? my evo lasts longer then my dads iphone does... sure if i turn on 4g it eats battery... but 3g used to do that when it was new too.
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