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post #201 of 241
9/18/10 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Archos makes truly great products. But they have no ecosystem at all, making other choices more attractive.

And they nickel and dime you for codecs. That's better than Apple's method of simply denying users the codecs they desire, but nevertheless I find it distasteful.

Hmm I guess I must have been hallucinating that xvid movie I watched on my iPad last night (CineXPlayer and OplayerHD apps in case anyone's wondering).
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post #202 of 241
9/18/10 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by striker_kk;

"One carrier" thing is Apple's Achilles heel.

Except the iPad is fully unlocked.

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Despite Apple being very slim on listing specs, they do list a good cross section of battery times and use the medium average of those times, not the minimum like other vendors.

The best I can find on this VeiwSonic tablet is a flat 10 hours. is that audio, video, web surfing, what?

Don't you know? All these Android tablets are thinner, cheaper, faster, brighter, more flexible and better than the iPad. Who needs to look up specs?
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post #203 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:09am
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That is not the attribute under discussion. It is a different topic entirely.

The claim was with regard to thickness, and not proportions.

No, it started off by someone saying the Samsung looked "fat". So rationally one could say it is thinner in absolute terms but proportionately fatter.
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post #204 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by Newtron;

...until the 3GS, which I use daily. Even though it has been bested by many other phones, I still use it, and will continue to do so until the category becomes more mature.

By next spring, I expect to have many, many compelling choices of phones. I may decide to get another iPhone, but at this point, with the iPhone falling behind so quickly, it seems unlikely.

I'm not sure what to say. You seem to be a captive of your desires to move away from Apple but you don't want to take the jump to Android because "the category is not mature enough". I understand though if you do want to change but do not have the budget or do not feel the timing is appropriate.

But seeing that you are in support of anything and everything Android, which exact phones or tablets would you recommend for someone this holiday season? Serious question here.

An Apple "fanboy" simply has one or two models to recommend. In the Android world, which model exactly is better than iPhone and iPad? That would be useful information rather than generalisations, I think.
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post #205 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Except the iPad is fully unlocked.

What's your point?
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post #206 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by striker_kk;

What's your point?

That the carrier limitation does not apply to iPad. Thus the limitation here on wider distribution in the US is CDMA, or the fact that the iPad doesn't run on CDMA.

I am actually not in the US so from a global perspective I would rather Apple launch iPad and iPhone4 beyond the few launch countries, devoting their resources to that, rather than divert resources to CDMA. At the same time though I know if I were in the US, the ATT exclusivity would be frustrating, but globally they are not immensely relevant to Apple.
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post #207 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by Newtron;

Samsung Galaxy S' not-so-secret weapon: TouchWiz 3.0

http://www.betanews.com/article/Sams...-30/1279815075

The Tab also uses Touchwiz 3.0

What are the thoughts on Samsung Galaxy? Curious. I played with one a few months ago, not sure what Touchwiz is or does.

The article says, "With that said, TouchWiz 3.0 puts a clean, fast, and versatile face on Android with plenty of exclusive features" but I didn't feel that... I do wonder what I am missing about Android. I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.
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post #208 of 241
9/18/10 at 6:37pm
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I may want to develop apps for iOS but an Android app development project is not too far fetched if I want to cover both markets, though of course there are many considerations business-wise in terms of profitability, etc. of each market.

If you're normally a java dev Android is a lot faster to get up to speed on. But I think that iOS would be more fun in the long run. Unless you like doing pseudo-swing UIs in XML...meh.

Been considering mono but haven't gotten into the monodroid beta. I personally like C# and with Apple's new rules it means I can target all three major mobile platforms with a single core. The downside is Novell...I don't have much confidence they'll still be around in a year.
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post #209 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by FurbiesAndBeans View Post

I can't really see why anyone would get the Tab over the iPad unless a camera was a necessity.

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It plays Flash videos.
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post #210 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

When the iPad was released it was called a larger iPod touch. Now the same people are try to look the other way


Which specific people are you talking about? Or is it just some sort of collective "the same people" even though they are, in reality, different people?

And even if the reality were that they are the same people, what does that have to do with the Galaxy itself?

Or are you just riffing on the "us against everyone else" meme?
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post #211 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

I was really looking forward to the Samsung Tablet after buying the Vibrant. I'll have to see it to make a decision, but at the moment it looks like it's not going to replace my iPad.

1. Apple got the dimensions right. 7" is too small.
2. It's got proprietary jacks like the iPad. No standard mini USB
3. It doesn't have the fantastic SAMOLED screen. I guess the price would have been prohibitive.
4. It may not run beyond Gingerbread according to a Samsung exec at the inauguration launch.
5. The European cost is insane! And it will be a code day in hell before I sign up for yet another data plan. If the wifi only model is not around $300, it will be too pricey. Adding a useless rear camera isn't helping the price.

They did get a couple of things right. The weight. The iPad is simply too heavy. And it's got Android.

Looks like some valid criticisms. But I still think it will appeal to a lot of people who object to proprietary lock-down and arbitrary limitations. And to lots of people with other needs and desires.
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post #212 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Despite all the nonsense in this thread, this is the important metric when discussing the thinness of a device.

By your metric, the iPhone 4 is a porker.
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post #213 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

A 7 " Galaxy will have ZERO - ZERO impact on a 9.7 in iPad - NONE. Consumer purchasers will look once at the 7 inch screen and laugh all the way past the check out counter with their iPads... Absolute waste of money.. - same fate as Mircoshaft 'Kin"...

Samsung needs your extensive market knowledge! They know nothing bout how to sell electronics.

Please send them your resume. Quick!!!
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post #214 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by FurbiesAndBeans View Post

CONCLUSION: The higher the number the "thinner" it is. Why? Because the higher number means it has more surface per unit of thickness. Would you say the iPhone is fat? I wouldn't... The "fatness" of a gadget can be very subjective as numbers don't tell the whole story. Your best bet is to wait until it is out and actually feel it in your hands before saying anything is "fat" or "thin."

No, you don't understand. Apple makes all devices with perfect dimensions. No pejorative adjective can describe an Apple product.

So the Samsung is fat, while the iP4 is perfect.
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post #215 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


This is no way true on an iPod Touch-size display (or any mobile phone)-- there's no magic!



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Sorry hater, but my iPhone is magic. I push the button and it farts. That is magic.
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post #216 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

Now since this tread is about the comparison between two tablets, and not between tablets and phones, we should stick to that, unless you want to bring TV's and home stereo and maybe dish washers in to the equation as well.

None of those other things are handheld devices. Nice try.

But the fact is, by the Fanboi metric, the iP4 is positviely obese. But by the reality metric, the Samsung is thinner than the iPad.
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post #217 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

It shows the skies and all the stars, planets, etc., optionally filtered as how visible (to the human eye).

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How visible are stars when one is staring at a backlit display? Does it restrict itself to red? Or does it ruin your night vision?
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post #218 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Please... Just Stop It Already, given that you seem to lack the ability to even quote the correct words used in my post - GEEZ!


But he nevertheless warps definitions.
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post #219 of 241
9/19/10 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Hope you have $1,000 burning a hole in your pocket...

Nope. For that money, I could get a hot shit Dell laptop with a 1080p screen and BluRay and eSATA and HDMI and USB3.

Or I could get 4 Dell Mini 10 netbooks. It would be great to have a couple in the living room, with the other two floating around the house.

Or I could get a Samsung TV and Blu-Ray player for the bedroom. With enough left over for a couple of dozen movies.

Naw, these little tablets are cool, but they are very limited and expensive now. I'm rarely and early adopter. I'll wait until they are cheap and capable. The iPad holds no interest for me, and by this time next year, I bet that there will be great tablet choices available.

I've wanted a tablet for years. But they ain't nothing yet. Limited storage, inability to output HD, in one notable case, the wrong aspect ratio: I'll wait.
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post #220 of 241
9/19/10 at 10:18am
I've got Newtron on ignore, so i don't know or care what he's going on about, but 11 posts in a row strikes me as an attempt to swamp the thread. Mods?
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post #221 of 241
9/19/10 at 1:22pm
Since we all love pictures:







Galaxy Tab has higher pixel per inch than the iPad.

1024 x 600 on a 7" screen vs 1024 x 768 on a 9.7" screen.

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post #222 of 241
9/19/10 at 1:36pm
It's kind of funny that one of the major criticisms of the iPad was that it was "just a big iPod Touch." Subsequently, we can see that Apple did a fair amount of work to optimize core apps and UI conventions (split screens, pop over menus, etc) to make iOS iPad specific.

Yet the Galaxy is quite literally a big Android phone, and the Android fans are entranced. It's amazing, how quickly the terms of the debate are changed to favor the anyone-but-Apple crowd, and how we're expected to maintain a perpetual state of short term memory loss in order to humor them.
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post #223 of 241
9/19/10 at 1:59pm
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I've got Newtron on ignore, so i don't know or care what he's going on about, but 11 posts in a row strikes me as an attempt to swamp the thread. Mods?

The only thing interesting about Newtron is that he waited until a 2 day old thread was silent for 12 hours before he had the ... (courage ?) ... to post those 11 replies. .... kinda pathetic, don't you think? .... shows up after the discussion is over ... very telling.

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post #224 of 241
9/19/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

It's kind of funny that one of the major criticisms of the iPad was that it was "just a big iPod Touch." Subsequently, we can see that Apple did a fair amount of work to optimize core apps and UI conventions (split screens, pop over menus, etc) to make iOS iPad specific.

Yet the Galaxy is quite literally a big Android phone, and the Android fans are entranced. It's amazing, how quickly the terms of the debate are changed to favor the anyone-but-Apple crowd, and how we're expected to maintain a perpetual state of short term memory loss in order to humor them.

The Galaxy Tab, specifically, has optimized its core apps and UI conventions to suit the Tablet style.

Check out this video:

http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-...2010-20100908/

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post #225 of 241
9/19/10 at 3:34pm
They've done a few superficial things to their Touch Wiz UI to scale it up. Google, on the other hand, doesn't think Android is really optimized for tablets.

An OEM shell to cover for the shortcomings of the underlying OS is exactly where MS was with their Windows Mobile strategy, and their fans kept insisting that various applications of this or that UI fixed all the problems and made it great.

The trouble there is that you can have some layers that look and act fine but you keep running into where the facade ends, and the seams are usually pretty jarring. It's vastly different than Apple's careful, from the ground up development of iOS, designed to serve as their mobile OS across a variety of devices.

I'm not saying that Android is anywhere near as grim as Windows Mobile, or that Google won't get around to making a tablet version. But relying on Samsung to do the kind of at depth rejiggering needed to make a tablet OS feel seamless through and through seems misguided.
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post #226 of 241
9/19/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Since we all love pictures:







Galaxy Tab has higher pixel per inch than the iPad.

1024 x 600 on a 7" screen vs 1024 x 768 on a 9.7" screen.

It's plugged in.
Is the battery life that bad?
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post #227 of 241
9/19/10 at 8:23pm
You really don't have to respond do every single post. If nothing else, at least use multi-quote, it's very easy.

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Nope. For that money, I could get a hot shit Dell laptop with a 1080p screen and BluRay and eSATA and HDMI and USB3.

I'll bite, where? The closest Blu-Ray-based Dell notebook I've found doesn't have a 1080p screen and doesn't have USB3 (17R). The next closest I've found is $1900 and doesn't have USB3 and still doesn't have a 1080p screen (Alienware M17x). I have a Dell notebook with the same case as the 17R and the chassis is flimsy to say the least. The chassis does the job so far but it is not confidence inspiring. The Alienware is going for a bizarre look, I hope it works for them.
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post #228 of 241
9/19/10 at 8:50pm
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The only thing interesting about Newtron is that he waited until a 2 day old thread was silent for 12 hours before he had the ... (courage ?) ... to post those 11 replies. .... kinda pathetic, don't you think? .... shows up after the discussion is over ... very telling.

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I've got Newtron on ignore, so i don't know or care what he's going on about, but 11 posts in a row strikes me as an attempt to swamp the thread. Mods?

Yes, I was waiting for the response to my posts on this, page 6 of this thread.
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post #229 of 241
9/19/10 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

No, you don't understand. Apple makes all devices with perfect dimensions. No pejorative adjective can describe an Apple product.

So the Samsung is fat, while the iP4 is perfect.

Nah, the iPhone 4 is a little chunky proportion wise. But most people that get it, I imagine, like the feel of it in their hands. There are SonyEs that are much slimmer, however, they are not iOS nor many are Android devices.

I'll reiterate, the Samsung is chunkier than the iPad proportion wise.
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post #230 of 241
9/19/10 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by Newtron;

How visible are stars when one is staring at a backlit display? Does it restrict itself to red? Or does it ruin your night vision?

Actually I have the Skygazer HD app on my iPad. It is pretty darn nice. You have the full colour view and the motion tracking. You can set the star magnitude threshold so in city night viewing you can pick out only the brighter stars quite easily. If the iPad is too bright, you go to the red-only night vision mode which is just nice. But at the lowest brightness setting of the iPad in city night sky viewing, it's alright. I prefer this app to Pocket Universe, haven't tried Skywalk.

Just for the record, unfortunately I can't multi-quote because there is no feature for this for posts by those on your ignore list.
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post #231 of 241
9/20/10 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

None of those other things are handheld devices. Nice try.

But the fact is, by the Fanboi metric, the iP4 is positviely obese. But by the reality metric, the Samsung is thinner than the iPad.

I think we all agree, that it is thinner nobody is going to fight that but to me and to most other people it looks fatter. Is this simple enough?
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post #232 of 241
9/20/10 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

The Galaxy Tab, specifically, has optimized its core apps and UI conventions to suit the Tablet style.

Check out this video:

http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-...2010-20100908/

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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

They've done a few superficial things to their Touch Wiz UI to scale it up. Google, on the other hand, doesn't think Android is really optimized for tablets.

An OEM shell to cover for the shortcomings of the underlying OS is exactly where MS was with their Windows Mobile strategy, and their fans kept insisting that various applications of this or that UI fixed all the problems and made it great.

The trouble there is that you can have some layers that look and act fine but you keep running into where the facade ends, and the seams are usually pretty jarring. It's vastly different than Apple's careful, from the ground up development of iOS, designed to serve as their mobile OS across a variety of devices.

I'm not saying that Android is anywhere near as grim as Windows Mobile, or that Google won't get around to making a tablet version. But relying on Samsung to do the kind of at depth rejiggering needed to make a tablet OS feel seamless through and through seems misguided.

...A Samuung representative took the occasian to announce that their "Touch Wiz" interface has been upgraded for the Tab and renamed as Potemkin...

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post #233 of 241
9/20/10 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by iGonz View Post

It's plugged in.
Is the battery life that bad?

I am diffident about the idea of running electrical wires into my front pants pockets...

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post #234 of 241
9/20/10 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I am diffident about the idea of running electrical wires into my front pants pockets...

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It won't be like that (unless it comes with a ton of bloatware.)

My verizon fascinate (galaxy S) had some vzw software on it, as well as a bunch of apps i'll NEVER use, and after rooting the phone and uninstalling these things, I'm seeing AMAZING battery life. Android is very capable of running a tablet and not draining the battery, so long as services from these kinds of apps are stopped.

The only reason it's plugged in those pictures is because it was probably on display, and therefore had people messing with it all day draining the battery.
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post #235 of 241
9/20/10 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

It won't be like that (unless it comes with a ton of bloatware.)

My verizon fascinate (galaxy S) had some vzw software on it, as well as a bunch of apps i'll NEVER use, and after rooting the phone and uninstalling these things, I'm seeing AMAZING battery life. Android is very capable of running a tablet and not draining the battery, so long as services from these kinds of apps are stopped.

The only reason it's plugged in those pictures is because it was probably on display, and therefore had people messing with it all day draining the battery.

So a Galaxy Tab on a Verizon contract is sure to get great battery life as long as your'e prepared to root it and uninstall stuff? That sounds like a recipe for mass market success, all right.
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post #236 of 241
9/26/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by iGonz View Post

It's plugged in.
Is the battery life that bad?

The second picture does'nt have a plug in it. Your argument is invalid.


Oh for those naysayers, the Galaxy Tab has a AFFS display where the iPad has S-IPS display:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100907VL202.html

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post #237 of 241
9/26/10 at 1:42pm
the tab was on the convention floor for what seemed to me quite a number of hours with only a security lock on it, no charger, running a super intense 3D flash game. I don't really have hard number because I wasn't timing things, anyone know?
What I got... 15" i7 w/8 gigs ram,iPad2 64gig wifi, 2.0 mac mini, 2.0 17" imac, appleTv, Still running my old G4 466 upgraded to 1.2GHz maxed ram as a pro tools machine, and 2 iphones.
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post #238 of 241
9/28/10 at 2:21pm
This is one of their accessory for the Galaxy Tab.



This should get interesting.


http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/28/g...-99-pre-order/

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post #239 of 241
10/27/10 at 8:39am
UPDATE:

Samsung Galaxy Tab hitting T-Mobile USA on November 10th, $400 on contract
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/27/s...er-10th-price/
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post #240 of 241
10/27/10 at 10:03am
One thing I am curious though, there are more people buying the Wifi iPad than the Wifi/3G iPad and if this is the case, what advantage does the Samsung Galaxy having four carriers over the iPad besides that??
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