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post #121 of 157
9/18/10 at 2:14pm
Judging by the name, it will sell as twice as the kin
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post #122 of 157
9/18/10 at 2:21pm
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Except that waving your hands around in the air is far more fatiguing than resting your hands on a surface. It makes a modicum of sense for certain video games, where the wired controlled is likely to be handheld in the first place.

But it makes no sense at all for general computing.

Exactly. That's what geeks always fail to realize: Those exaggerated über-futuristic interfaces from Hollywood rarely prove usable in the real world. Gamers might cling to it for a while out of "awe", but soon abandon it for being uncomfortable/cumbersome.

OTOH, Apple is far beyond cheap eye-candy and feature creep.

...just my 0.02.
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post #123 of 157
9/18/10 at 2:39pm
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Except that waving your hands around in the air is far more fatiguing than resting your hands on a surface. It makes a modicum of sense for certain video games, where the wired controlled is likely to be handheld in the first place.

But it makes no sense at all for general computing.

You are being way too literal in what I said. I did not necessarily mean waving one's hands around, but rather, the ability to make movements and have actions occur, without being tied to a physical object.

Here is an example, you may understand. the iPhone keyboard - how many people said that it would not work because of the lack of a physical keyboard, and the absence of feedback. However, the virtual keyboard works with some practice. Kinect is potentially another step in the virtualization process of interacting with a computer, without the need to even touch the screen.

See, that was not that difficult.
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post #124 of 157
9/18/10 at 2:44pm
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You are being way too literal in what I said. I did not necessarily mean waving one's hands around, but rather, the ability to make movements and have actions occur, without being tied to a physical object.

Here is an example, you may understand. the iPhone keyboard - how many people said that it would not work because of the lack of a physical keyboard, and the absence of feedback. However, the virtual keyboard works with some practice. Kinect is potentially another step in the virtualization process of interacting with a computer, without the need to even touch the screen.

See, that was not that difficult.

So, if I'm not touching a screen, how am I not waving my hands in the air? What "ability to make movements and have actions occur, without being tied to a physical object" are we talking about, that isn't more fatiguing than resting my hands on a surface? Shrugging? Leaping? Head tilts?
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post #125 of 157
9/18/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

And after that they just stare at each other in puzzled silence for 30 seconds.

Thanks for that. I almost peed myself.
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post #126 of 157
9/18/10 at 5:03pm
I will never buy one, so you can have mine.
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post #127 of 157
9/18/10 at 5:11pm
I think any Microsoft-related product whose name begins with "Kin" has an uphill battle.

Let's ask Mr Tsunoda in January just how well his prediction held up.

Should be interesting, but let's wait and see.
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post #128 of 157
9/18/10 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by plovell View Post

I think any Microsoft-related product whose name begins with "Kin" has an uphill battle.

... today, Microsoft announced that sales for the Zunect XBox interface hit a record of 132 for the 2010 Christmas season...

Update:

... meanwhile, supply of Apple's new iWeenie potty trainer failed to catch up wizz demand...


Sorry, I meant to update this sooner, but I had to take a break...

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post #129 of 157
9/18/10 at 6:40pm
Our hotcakes sell like Mustangs (http://bit.ly/93IioQ)

This is a way for a company to set an expectation of success for their own product, whether it is a direct competitor or not.
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post #130 of 157
9/18/10 at 7:12pm
MS should be able to sell millions of Kinnect add-ons to current XBox owners. what else can they do - get a PS3? add that to the normal holiday sales boost for XBox bundles and, yeah, they could sell 5 million that quarter. just with the novelty factor. it might outsell the iPad, tho not by much.

but the real test is - then what? if the Kinnect's body movement UI is just too limited after the novelty wears off (i think so), sales will fall off sharply.

the PS Move is a much safer bet. it will also sell millions of add- ons to current PS3 owners. it really is just a next gen HD version of the Wii (Nintendo left that door wide open by waiting too long to bring out Wii2), and so we know that is a proven UI. Established third party Wii games will be ported to the Move, upgraded to HD. the Move is going to sell a lot, not just the holidays, but all next year until we finally see a WiiHD someday.

iPad2 will come out early next year as well - and sales will double this year's.

place your bets!
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post #131 of 157
9/18/10 at 7:16pm
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... In other stories, Microsoft announced that its planned Interior™ computer will begin shipping on June 1, 2011, in time for the busy wedding season...

The Interior™ computer, is a large, coffee table-shaped box with a multi-touch interior surface. The highly-anticipated Interior™ computer is priced at $10,000...

... leading some critics to say that the Interior™ computer is nothing more than an expensive, big-assed coffin!

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post #132 of 157
9/18/10 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by tjw View Post

I would hate to live in that world. That bald turtle necked prick as president........ 'You're gonna really love our new tax policy, its' just magical'

If he managed the country as successfully as he manages Apple, who cares what pithy adjectives he would use?
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post #133 of 157
9/18/10 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

MS should be able to sell millions of Kinnect add-ons to current XBox owners. what else can they do - get a PS3? add that to the normal holiday sales boost for XBox bundles and, yeah, they could sell 5 million that quarter. just with the novelty factor. it might outsell the iPad, tho not by much.

but the real test is - then what? if the Kinnect's body movement UI is just too limited after the novelty wears off (i think so), sales will fall off sharply.

the PS Move is a much safer bet. it will also sell millions of add- ons to current PS3 owners. it really is just a next gen HD version of the Wii (Nintendo left that door wide open by waiting too long to bring out Wii2), and so we know that is a proven UI. Established third party Wii games will be ported to the Move, upgraded to HD. the Move is going to sell a lot, not just the holidays, but all next year until we finally see a WiiHD someday.

iPad2 will come out early next year as well - and sales will double this year's.

place your bets!

I think a problem comes in where people still need some physical buttons to hold on to. The Wii or PS3 move style controls have a lot of flexibility because they offer a wide variety of control styles. Standing up and waving your hands around like a moron just to sign into xbox live seems more difficult than using a remote.
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post #134 of 157
9/18/10 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

You are being way too literal in what I said. I did not necessarily mean waving one's hands around, but rather, the ability to make movements and have actions occur, without being tied to a physical object.

Here is an example, you may understand. the iPhone keyboard - how many people said that it would not work because of the lack of a physical keyboard, and the absence of feedback. However, the virtual keyboard works with some practice. Kinect is potentially another step in the virtualization process of interacting with a computer, without the need to even touch the screen.

See, that was not that difficult.

This isn't the '90s when Apple ran the ship w/o Steve. End of story.
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post #135 of 157
9/19/10 at 1:26am
again and again....
If I be Abama, I will close this MS shiut once and for all...
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post #136 of 157
9/19/10 at 3:50am
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You have to wonder if they thought about renaming it after Kin failed so miserably.


They wanted to call it the Bob-ect, but that name was already taken!
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post #137 of 157
9/19/10 at 4:39am
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If he managed the country as successfully as he manages Apple, who cares what pithy adjectives he would use?

That would be a fucking nightmare. That last guy would never admit a mistake. We sure don't need another one.
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post #138 of 157
9/19/10 at 5:59am
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"Ohmigod I am like so prettier than her and I mean like anyone who would go out with her is a total douchebag because like she's not even popular!"

That quote is full of win!
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post #139 of 157
9/19/10 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

I think the point is, the iPad has become the new standard for "selling like hot cakes".

In other words: "My god, our new geegaw is selling like iPads!"
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post #140 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:01am
I don't get it.
Had to google Kinect to find out what this was.
Read the article again.
Still don't get it.
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post #141 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by VdkaShaker View Post

Our hotcakes sell like Mustangs (http://bit.ly/93IioQ)

This is a way for a company to set an expectation of success for their own product, whether it is a direct competitor or not.

Except of course the hotcake manufacturer has not been desperately trying to compete in the sports car market since the Mustang was released...
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post #142 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:20am
Apple (no pun intended) to Orange comparison...
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post #143 of 157
9/19/10 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by tribalogical View Post

If he managed the country as successfully as he manages Apple, who cares what pithy adjectives he would use?

Hey! You guys are my "guests"! I give you three hots and a cot.

How can you claim you are not "free"? How many dictionaries have you "written" and "had published"? Unless you have been "elected", like I have, you have no basis to comment on how I do things! Who do you think you are, anyways?

Like I said, it would be a friggin' nightmare.
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post #144 of 157
9/19/10 at 10:28am
Microsoft has a bonus program called MOPS that pays middle managers shovelfuls of cash based on how much press their pronouncements gain in the media. And at the end of the year a winner is declared who won the Most Outrageous Public Statement.
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post #145 of 157
9/19/10 at 2:03pm
Are you f**ing kidding me? Is Microsoft so DESPERATE for attention they will compare two products that are in no way shape or form alike?? What the hell is WRONG up there? This reaks of Ballmer big time. What's his email? It was probably his fat assed idea. I'm SO glad I went mac 10 years ago. I'd be embarrased to say I run Window's.....
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post #146 of 157
9/19/10 at 4:37pm
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Hey! You guys are my "guests"! I give you three hots and a cot.

How can you claim you are not "free"? How many dictionaries have you "written" and "had published"? Unless you have been "elected", like I have, you have no basis to comment on how I do things! Who do you think you are, anyways?

Like I said, it would be a friggin' nightmare.

I just realized why I don't find your humor funny..... It's because your "serious" posts are so laughable .... there's no way to tell them apart.

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post #147 of 157
9/19/10 at 4:39pm
I live in seattle and the microsoft fanboyism is amazing. I remember recently going to an apple store in bellevue wa, a few miles outside of Redmond. As I was walking to the door a saw I little girl pointing to the evil apple store and the mother leaned over and consoled her daughter by telling her there are plans for Microsoft to open a store in the Bellesquare Mall soon, so dont be worried. I was like, what...? Bizarre. I thought it was hilarious. I then went into the store and left the store with my ipad and mbp.
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post #148 of 157
9/19/10 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Newtron View Post

Hey! You guys are my "guests"! I give you three hots and a cot.

How can you claim you are not "free"? How many dictionaries have you "written" and "had published"? Unless you have been "elected", like I have, you have no basis to comment on how I do things! Who do you think you are, anyways?

Like I said, it would be a friggin' nightmare.


Emphasis mine!

Love to be picky,. but the proper form is "anyway".

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post #149 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by barthrh View Post

I don't see anything wrong with the comparison. If I say the iPad is the best thing since sliced bread, it doesn't imply that I believe that it is in any way a substitute for sliced bread. Perhaps ham, maybe cheese. He's only acknowledging the strong initial sales, for Pete's sake.

Have you been drinking the Redmond water? You have completely misunderstood the points being made here (maybe English isn't your first language). You're taking an idiom and presenting it as a literal statement. My washing machine outperforms your emotional response to hot coffee - is not a valid comparison. Same deal with Microsoft.
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post #150 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:12pm
No, buffoon is the correct term for most Microsoft folks.
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post #151 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Ecphorizer View Post

Isn't that supposed to be "boffin?"

No, buffoon is the correct term for most Microsoft folks.
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post #152 of 157
9/19/10 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by SHOBIZ View Post

If it's not Apple then it's garbage - Big surprise on the comments.

Kinect looks like a fun product but comparing it to sales numbers of a completely different product is garbage.
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post #153 of 157
9/19/10 at 8:13pm
This just in MSFT says Windows 7 will out sell Toyota, and they're busy congratulating themselves about it.

Unless iPad is a game controller, who cares? Are they pricing it equal to iPad for ease of comparison?
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post #154 of 157
9/20/10 at 12:53am
So, like a lot of others here i read this news release thinking, huh!? At first glance, the comparison seems utterly ridiculous as it has been stated many times the devices are completely different. Even if the comment was simply meant to draw the sales comparison only, I think is wildly ambitious when considering that the iPad was a pretty much completely new concept when it released. I mean you had had the kindle, and the iPod touch which were about the closest things to it, but still different enough to have a drastic impact. I might consider the possibility of this device hitting iPad numbers if the Wii had not already been out for, what, 3 years now at least. How many people, who are truly intrigued by this sort of game play, don't already have a Wii in there house, and if they do then one must ask the question "is this device that much different than the Wii?" I mean enough to justify essentially the cost of another Wii? Don't get me wrong I think this will sell ok, but I don't see this having as wide a target audience as an iPad by any stretch of the imagination. It certainly looks neat and fun, but I don't see any corporation thinking "I need to get one of these out to all my employees in the field". I run into people frequently were the iPad can easily fill a justifiable productivity need, where as this Kinect thing seems to be strictly in the entertainment/health/fitness arena at the moment.
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post #155 of 157
9/20/10 at 7:02am
"Wii too!"
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post #156 of 157
9/20/10 at 9:57am
Besides the fact the statement wasn't well thought out, what's the point of making it?
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post #157 of 157
9/20/10 at 10:47am
Potato chips will outsell razors this holiday season ...

Umbrellas will outsell Lamborghini's ...

Boat anchors will likely outsell Space Shuttle parts sales ...

We're not sure if oranges will outsell apples until we find out how many bowling balls have been sold to those who also purchased tissue paper ...
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