Microsoft manager claims Kinect will "blow away" iPad sales - Page 2

Originally Posted by nondual

So 'Sells like the iPad' has become the new 'Selling like hotcakes'?

Originally Posted by TheGreatBug

Whoa, you're an idiot.

Originally Posted by barthrh

I don't see anything wrong with the comparison. If I say the iPad is the best thing since sliced bread, it doesn't imply that I believe that it is in any way a substitute for sliced bread. Perhaps ham, maybe cheese. He's only acknowledging the strong initial sales, for Pete's sake.

Originally Posted by SHOBIZ

If it's not Apple then it's garbage

Originally Posted by solipsism

The original source reads like Mad-Libs: Journalism Edition…

“Hey guys, I need the name of popular tech device”
“iPad”
“Thanks. Processing article now."

Seriously though, to me this shows just how big the iPad is if these non-tablet device that is just an accessory to a game console is being compared to the iPad. How many 260s have they sold and are they really expecting 2M (or 3M) units per month to be sold this holiday quarter or is just hyperbole?

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer;

There is only one connection.

Microsoft is using the iPad to get visibility for their Kinect product. They want to latch onto the iPad free press to drive their own product that as we know doesn't compete against the iPad.

Originally Posted by nondual

And bananas will outsell mosquito repellent.

How are Kinect and iPad even remotely similar? Okay, they're both electronic. Is MS THAT desperate to say it outsold Apple? Didn't they 'win' the desktop OS wars?

I am confuse.

Originally Posted by Tofino

And it appears to be working. That line got the product mentioned on every Mac related site.
Didn't cost them a penny! Beats spending 10 million bucks on Seinfeld.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

The more we see of Apple, the more true this is.

Originally Posted by solipsism

How many 260s have they sold and are they really expecting 2M (or 3M) units per month to be sold this holiday quarter or is just hyperbole?

Originally Posted by SHOBIZ

If it's not Apple then it's garbage - Big surprise on the comments.

Originally Posted by joshong

The Kinect Xbox 360 bundle will be at a similar pricepoint. 360 + Kinect Elite bundle should be around $399.

Given that Apple is pushing the iPad as a gaming device among other things, and Microsoft is pushing Xbox as a multimedia platform, I think there will be some competition.

I'm sure Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony are all very conscious of holiday wishlists. In that sense, they compete. Imagine some 13 year old kid who's going to get one big Christmas present this year: if he doesn't have a 360 or an iPad already, those are going to be at the top of his list.

Originally Posted by barthrh

I don't see anything wrong with the comparison. If I say the iPad is the best thing since sliced bread, it doesn't imply that I believe that it is in any way a substitute for sliced bread. Perhaps ham, maybe cheese. He's only acknowledging the strong initial sales, for Pete's sake.

Originally Posted by ascii

I think the Camera interface will be the next big thing after the touch interface, and Apple missed an opportunity to put a user-facing camera on the new Apple TV.

Or maybe Apple are in fact on top of this, and the "big thing" in Mac OS X 10.7 will be to use the iMac's camera to support Minority Report style gestures?

Edit: how cool would Coverflow be if you could just sit back on the couch and flick through the albums with a flick of your hand?

Originally Posted by Wonder

And what about all the grown ups who won't buy a Kinect but will buy an iPad.
You are taking about a small part of the iPad demographic against a large part of the Kinect demographic. Yes they have a similar function (games), but that is only a small part of what an iPad can do. If the kid wants a portable gaming devices the Kinect is out for sure, and MS have NO competition in that area, or in book reading, or most importantly in hot tablet devices.

Originally Posted by MacApfel

looking forward to the new ad campaign:
"Hello, I am an iPad - and I am a Kinect."

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

The more we see of Apple, the more true this is.

Originally Posted by ascii

I think the Camera interface will be the next big thing after the touch interface, and Apple missed an opportunity to put a user-facing camera on the new Apple TV.

Or maybe Apple are in fact on top of this, and the "big thing" in Mac OS X 10.7 will be to use the iMac's camera to support Minority Report style gestures?

Edit: how cool would Coverflow be if you could just sit back on the couch and flick through the albums with a flick of your hand?

Originally Posted by umrk

Autumn 2010 : Apple announces quarterly results which show a 50 Billion $
revenue / 20 Billion $ profits trajectory. The analysts revise their expectations ..

Spring 2011 : after the iPad, the iPhone (now 5) is introduced in China, and generates hysteria, as well as a specific Verizon CDMA model for the US. The competitors announce models "soon to come", but fail to materialize ... Analysts revise their expectations again..

Spring 2011 : Apple reinvents the watch (human skin surface currents being used to transmit information to earphones)


Summer 2011 : Steve Jobs announces that a few billion $ out of Apple's cash will be used to launch Apple's largest private satellite constellation (this representing a tiny proportion of Apple's total cash). TV broadscasters feel uncomfortable ..

Spring 2012 : Apple reinvents the TV

Autumn 2012 : Steve announces that the iPhone now fully possesses credit card capabilities (with of course sophisticated authentication capabilities, and added value services for budget management, etc ...), and announces the creation of the Apple iBank. Banking companies start getting worried ..


The analysts start to realize that instead of the iPad (now sold at more than three million per month) cannibalizing the Macs, each product or service of the Apple ecosystem strengthens each other, and that Apple is eating up every year a percentage of the huge PC market share. They revise their expectations accordingly ..


Apple competitors feel increasingly worried, and find no way to navigate safely through the mine fields of Apple patents (the Lawyers department of Apple has grown up to ten thousand of people, becoming the first department of the company). Sadly for them, they have no hope to expect from the antitrust authorities, since Apple is not the dominant player in any of its markets.


Spring 2013 : Apple chief financial Officer manages to convince Steve that the only way to reduce Apple's enormous cash would be to distribute a dividend to the shareholders. The Apple share skyrockets again ..


End of 2013 : Apple acquires Intel


Summer 2014 : following IBM's example, PC suppliers quit one by one the PC market, into which they have no hope to make any decent profit (especially since the competition on prices has become even tougher, as the Windows market share shrinks ..).


Microsoft is in trouble.. (Especially since Steve's pitbull buddy Larry Ellison has successfully sued several companies about Java, and has aggressively and successfully promoted Open Office against Microsoft Office). Steve Ballmer is fired. Apple uses the old Microsoft video of the "iPhone4 funerals" to celebrate the news. Dells runs out of business (and distributes the money to its shareholders (who buy Apple shares with it).


Autumn 2014 : the Apple profits have now jumped to the incredible amount of 40 Billion $ a year, turning *Apple shares into the largest stock among any companies in the world (beyond Exxon Mobil or Petrochina). Analysts again revise their expectations ..


Autumn 2016 : Apple reinvents the car (yes, it is a mobile device, too ...)



2020 : Steve Jobs is elected president of the United States (but insists
for its salary to be one dollar / year only (first iPresident of the United States)

Originally Posted by SHOBIZ

If it's not Apple then it's garbage - Big surprise on the comments.

Originally Posted by grking

The NPD numbers indicate that they have sold around 42 million Xbox 360s total, that they have over 20 million Xbox Live members.

Originally Posted by haruhiko

Oops I've forgot that Kinect is a tablet computer.

Originally Posted by moustache

I will buy a Kinect so I can take it out with me to read my books on the train, watch movies and surf the net. Can't wait.

Originally Posted by Tofino

And it appears to be working. That line got the product mentioned on every Mac related site.
Didn't cost them a penny! Beats spending 10 million bucks on Seinfeld.

Originally Posted by ascii


Edit: how cool would Coverflow be if you could just sit back on the couch and flick through the albums with a flick of your hand?

Originally Posted by Marvin

Kudo was on the Engadget show and clearly quite pissed off about how much attention they give to Apple's devices so I think they are just desperate to claim any new success over Apple no matter how obscure.

Some vague link could be the way people interact with games and media - gestures vs touch. Kinect controls video playback too.

I actually really like Kinect, far more than the Playstation Move or the WiiMote. It just looks way more fun to use for a kid and more likely to get them to exercise. The full body mapping looks great even though it needs to filter the spasms out.

The price is a bit steep at $150 but that does come with Kinect Adventures. I can see this being Microsoft's equivalent of WiiSports:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu7n_8RY4

Auto split screen for multi-player.

Sony and Nintendo keep dismissing it as not having accurate tracking so a controller is better but it's a camera so you could add something like a PS Move if you wanted to.

I don't think Kinect will necessarily shift more XBoxes as they need a lot of supported titles but it has an audience of over 40 million. That said, the iPad is at 3-4 million and if that trend increases or continues, Microsoft will have to convince over 20% of their current owners to buy the accessory. It's certainly possible but as mentioned already it doesn't really mean anything because it's hard to imagine someone choosing between buying either a Kinect or an iPad.

KINECT TECH SPECS (UNCONFIRMED)

Sensor
Color and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour @ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to Live Avatars

Audio System
Live party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox Live Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple

Originally Posted by rbryanh

It's remarkable how often people in charge of vast resources sound like miserable, insecure teenagers. It'd be a lot more fun if Tsunoda would drop the corporatese and just shriek, "Ohmigod I am like so prettier than her and I mean like anyone who would go out with her is a total douchebag because like she's not even popular?"