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post #81 of 95
Yeah, I was trying to be funny. (Bible Major humor I suppose) I realized you were joking. And you do have a point Apple products can take on a religious type hype. I joke from time to time that I've a "golden mac" (playing off the Golden calf in Exodus)
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post #82 of 95
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Originally Posted by kohelet View Post

I joke from time to time that I've a "golden mac" (playing off the Golden calf in Exodus)

Is your Mac a pagan idol?
post #83 of 95
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram;

I should perhaps start.

I am loathe to 'ignore' someone for their views. I figure it's better to (occasionally) confront them when the blather gets really offensive.

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Originally Posted by addabox;

I don't mind going back and forth with someone on a particular issue, if that someone has a track record which suggests that might be interesting.

My ignore list criterion is simple: if a given poster does literally nothing but run down Apple and/or trumpet the virtues of other platforms (which lately pretty much means Android enthusiasts with some kind of compulsion to argue), or if a given poster spends an undue amount of time snarling about "Apple people" and their many manifest psychological shortcomings, then I don't see any reason to read their posts. Because I already know the broad outlines of what they have to say.

So as I scan threads with a lot of ignored posts, I can just mentally go "Apple sux, fan boy, Android does that better, Apple didn't invent anything, Jobs is evil, poser, hipster, App Store sux, fan boy." Not surprisingly, it also clears out a lot of the ancillary bickering and trivial tit for tat, because a lot of that is just flack from the same people.

Saves time.

Well, whatever you all decide, you'll have to watch the fort for me. Let's just say I got in some trouble for one or two of my posts I made in haste and anger. I'm using the ignore list now, just so that I am not unnecessarily riled up.

Ignoring trolls would be the "extinction" method for you MBAs out there (I am considering (oh noes!) doing an MBA).
post #84 of 95
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Well, whatever you all decide, you'll have to watch the fort for me. Let's just say I got in some trouble for one or two of my posts I made in haste and anger. I'm using the ignore list now, just so that I am not unnecessarily riled up.

Ignoring trolls would be the "extinction" method for you MBAs out there (I am considering (oh noes!) doing an MBA).

you shouldn't let people get under your skin. Why give them that power?

No matter how annoying someone might be, in the end, they don't matter enough to take what they say to heart.
post #85 of 95
When I saw Gruber make a post without saying "SOME" or "UP TO", I knew someone would need to clarify. Its like a horrific game of "telephone". Seriously, he's not "backpedaling" anything. He's having to clarify remarks because sometimes people aren't as concerned as they should be with the nuance of words.

I read "some" and "up to" originally, and it made all the sense in the world not to interpret the statements to widely. But, I guess that's not as exciting as exaggerating someone's words until they need to issue a retraction...

I thought the "shining light" description in relation to the iPad was MUCH more newsworthy.

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post #86 of 95
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

37 hours! Wow. No wonder you've given up on it. I would too. Fortunately, that sort of thing must be a complete outlier, for otherwise, the iPad would not be such a blockbuster performer taking market share away from Netbooks. (Speaking for myself, the first-time sync -- about 55GB -- took the longest, about 40 mins; it's been pretty quick after that).

Btw, it is a bit surprising that you are so averse to a large touch-based keyboard, and yet happy with an iPhone (which has a much smaller keyboard)!

I didn't say I use an iPhone, did I? Nor did I say I was happy typing on my phone. I do like using Swype on my phone better than my iPad, but I don't do any serious typing on either device... both are too slow for me.
post #87 of 95
iPad's are not running "mini-software". The software for the iPad is built using the exact same tools used to build software for the Mac. The primary difference being the hardware differences and the touch interface.

There are thousands of professional productive apps available for iOS. The iPad has only been available for 5 months. Around New York I already see people using them everywhere. Give it some time. It is going to change everything.


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Now consider the iPad. $499 to $830. Runs mini-software. Some business software available. Runs music, videos, and is great at internet access. Great ways to spend your free time.

PC's are the core of businesses. Plenty of cheap computing power.

iPad's are great for killing your free time.
post #88 of 95
People said the same thing about the mouse when it hit the scene. "No real business is done with a mouse".

Granted, it isn't a great analogy. But both the mouse and the multi-touch interface are non-optimal for for quite a few business tasks. That is, when used exclusively. So while mice don't preclude physical keyboard usage, a tablet does... unless docked. And when docked, the user isn't using a tablet so much as a computer with a removeable tablet/screen.

The truth is probably found in moderation. Tablets will be useful but physical keyboards will continue to be essential for data during many business tasks.
post #89 of 95
Oh, people said that, a lot and loudly, about graphical user interfaces. The original Mac was dismissed as a toy. Pointing at little pictures was equated with some kind of remedial kindergarten activity, for people who "didn't know how to use computers."

Which is why all those awesome productivity apps on PCs that people are using to "get real work done" are command line based.
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post #90 of 95
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Oh, people said that, a lot and loudly, about graphical user interfaces. The original Mac was dismissed as a toy. Pointing at little pictures was equated with some kind of remedial kindergarten activity, for people who "didn't know how to use computers."

Which is why all those awesome productivity apps on PCs that people are using to "get real work done" are command line based.

lol, point taken.

At the same time, isn't it true that the vast majority of work requires a keyboard? (No need to list exceptions.) Or maybe I'm just a bit biased because I write terminal (text interface) software for a living. I spend all day coding for VT100 emulation, and then go home and neglect a 27" i7 in order to spend most of my personal computing time with an iPad.

A fairly good way to describe my home computing since getting an iPad is:
iPad for leasure but a full-blown computer for when i'm "trying to get something done"

This wasn't a conscience choice on my part. It is the usage pattern that evolved when both form factors are readily available. To me, the iPad doesn't even seem new or revolutionary anymore. The newness luster has worn off and yet I continue to use it more than my top of the line iMac.
post #91 of 95
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

When I want to enjoy tea on the patio, surf or read while lying in bed, or take notes in class, I opt for my iPad now. My MacBook Air, once my machine of choice when mobile, has taken a backseat to the iPad. In fact, I rarely fire up the Air anymore. Same is true for my iMac.

The iPad is reserved for everything fun:

- Games
- Surfing
- Music
- Movies
- iBooks
- USA Today
- Email

I agree that for short term fact finding or entertainment an iPad would be fine, but I couldn't surf for more than 10 minutes on such a small display. Going back to 1024x768, a resolution I last used full time in 1999, would feel like going back to 1999.
post #92 of 95
Field of view and display size differ depending on your relationship to the display. Typically you are holding an iPad closer than you would be sitting away from a computer monitor.

The pixel resolution of a 20" CRT monitor in 1999 and an 9.7" ISP LED-backlit handheld display in 2010 have very little to do with each other.

They don't display images and color in the same way at all.

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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I agree that for short term fact finding or entertainment an iPad would be fine, but I couldn't surf for more than 10 minutes on such a small display. Going back to 1024x768, a resolution I last used full time in 1999, would feel like going back to 1999.
post #93 of 95
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Originally Posted by dfiler View Post

I think tablets will supplement rather than replace desktop and laptop computers. As we become more reliant on computers or have them mixed into more aspects of everyday life, the result will be people using more numerous computing forms instead of a single type. We will all use what is optimal for each task or scenario rather than relying on just one type.

And this isn't coming fro, someone who discounts tablets. I own an iPad and use it more than my 27" iMac. This post was written on an iPad. So yet, while loving this iPad, I wont be giving up my other computers.

But you might postpone buying new computer now that iPad is taking some "computing" load off your existing computer.

I believe there is significant number of people who already have desktop and were looking at additional laptop (or have laptop and were looking at additional netbook) that have decided to get iPad instead of extra computer.

It is not much different from me postponing upgrade/replacement of my main desktop since I got PS3, which took much of gaming and media playback away from PC. In my case, however, keyword is "postponing", not "giving up".
post #94 of 95
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post

It's not cannibalization unless the iPad is eating into Apples notebook sales, which hasn't been the case.

iPad 'slightly cannibalizing' Apple's own low-end MacBooks - report
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ks_report.html
post #95 of 95
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Field of view and display size differ depending on your relationship to the display. Typically you are holding an iPad closer than you would be sitting away from a computer monitor.

The pixel resolution of a 20" CRT monitor in 1999 and an 9.7" ISP LED-backlit handheld display in 2010 have very little to do with each other.

They don't display images and color in the same way at all.

No they don't, but the amount of information displayed in 1024x768 hasn't changed one iota. A screen with that resolution just feels cramped after years of using 1280x1024, 1600x1024, 1440x900, 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 displays.
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