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post #81 of 235
9/20/10 at 1:34pm
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Which one of these guys/gals is currently running for US senate?

None. But one got elected to the Senate and later ran for President. One got elected (twice) to the presidency. One recently got elected to the Senate.

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post #82 of 235
9/20/10 at 1:37pm
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None. But one got elected to the Senate and later ran for President. One got elected (twice) to the presidency. One recently got elected to the Senate.

Wonderful, so the witch chick is going to be senator! Yeah!
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post #83 of 235
9/20/10 at 1:41pm
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Wonderful, so the witch chick is going to be senator! Yeah!

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post #84 of 235
9/20/10 at 2:06pm
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Wonderful, so the witch chick is going to be senator! Yeah!

I don't think she's been totally honest...the witches I know are really into running around naked and shagging...

She doesn't look like she's done too much of that....that's the problem actually.
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post #85 of 235
9/20/10 at 3:46pm
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O'Donnell has a lesbian sister who has declared she's no homophobe which is what you apparently are trying to label her.

Are you kidding me? Are you trying to tell me O'Donnell doesn't oppose gay sex? Supporting a lesbian sister, who is not, according to even the nutjobs, doing anything "unbiblical" is not the same thing as not being homophobic or discriminatory against gays. Show me where she supports the right of two men to love each other, and I'll stop saying she hates gays.
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post #86 of 235
9/20/10 at 3:50pm
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A youthful Al Gore smoked plenty of pot, and also was also a pro-life senator.
A youthful Tipper Gore created the PMRC which puts all those wonderful labels on our music telling us the albums contain profanity.
A youthful Bill Clinton signed Don't Ask, Don't Tell and legislation for the V-chip.
A youthful Al Franken did SNL.
A youthful Bill Maher did movies call "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death" and "Bimbo Movie Bash".
A youthful Jon Stewart did work like "Space Ghost Coast to Coast" and "Half Baked".

I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't care what the fuck O'Donnell did as a kid. She could be a born-again porn star for all I care, and I would still look at her based only on the issues today.

The "witchcraft" thing did show an incredible amount of ignorance when she did that interview, however, and she hasn't clarified whether she still falsely links Wicca with Satanism.
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post #87 of 235
9/20/10 at 3:51pm
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I don't think she's been totally honest...the witches I know are really into running around naked and shagging...

She doesn't look like she's done too much of that....that's the problem actually.

Does she do this boyfriend?? She is all bible and could never have sex outside marriage, right?

I am an atheist but I say: Thank god for this woman! and I mean it.
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post #88 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:04pm
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Are you kidding me? Are you trying to tell me O'Donnell doesn't oppose gay sex? Supporting a lesbian sister, who is not, according to even the nutjobs, doing anything "unbiblical" is not the same thing as not being homophobic or discriminatory against gays. Show me where she supports the right of two men to love each other, and I'll stop saying she hates gays.

Yeah just so we're clear...believing that gay sex or same-gender "marriage" is wrong or unbiblical not the same thing as "being homophobic or discriminatory against gays."

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post #89 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:07pm
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...and she hasn't clarified whether she still falsely links Wicca with Satanism.

Oh dear.

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post #90 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:14pm
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Yeah just so we're clear...believing that gay sex or same-gender "marriage" is wrong or unbiblical not the same thing as "being homophobic or discriminatory against gays."

So, telling gays that they have no option to have sex with someone they are sexually attracted to... EVER... is not discriminatory against gays. Got it.

Back at you.
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post #91 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:15pm
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Oh dear.

Please, make your point. Oh, dear, what?
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post #92 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:20pm
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Please, make your point. Oh, dear, what?

My point is that your point is fucking stupid. You're kvetching over that fact that she's unable to distinguish between Wiccan and Satanism. For fuck's-sake!

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post #93 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:22pm
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So, telling gays that they have no option to have sex with someone they are sexually attracted to... EVER... is not discriminatory against gays. Got it.

Telling people that you believe that gay sex and gay marriage are wrong is not homophobic is what I meant to say. I should have clipped your quote shorter. Yes it is discriminatory. But then you say that likes it's automatically a bad thing.

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post #94 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:24pm
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My point is that your point is fucking stupid. You're kvetching over that fact that she's unable to distinguish between Wiccan and Satanism. For fuck's-sake!

Um... okay? I still don't get your point. She's showing a huge amount of ignorance. It's like Sarah Palin (theoretically) saying that Africa is a country, and then not defending herself on the point later.
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post #95 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:25pm
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Telling people that you believe that gay sex and gay marriage are wrong is not homophobic is what I meant to say. I should have clipped your quote shorter. Yes it is discriminatory. But then you say that likes it's automatically a bad thing.

So, according to you, discrimination is good.

Yes, according to me, discrimination is automatically a bad thing.

And how is clipping my quote shorter changing the fact that what I said was "homophobic or discriminatory". Are you saying you should have misquoted me? If you read my quote wrong, that's your problem. It doesn't change the ignorance of your response.

Just so that we're clear, believing that gay sex or same-gender marriage is wrong or unbiblical is the same thing as "being homophobic or discriminatory against gays."
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post #96 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:28pm
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My point is that your point is fucking stupid. You're kvetching over that fact that she's unable to distinguish between Wiccan and Satanism. For fuck's-sake!

To call an alter a satanic alter when it isn't is absurd and highly offensive I'm sure to many. For her not to correct her slant is telling, should she not.

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post #97 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:36pm
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To call an alter a satanic alter when it isn't is absurd and highly offensive I'm sure to many. For her not to correct her slant is telling, should she not.

Is Satanism going to be taught in grade school in Delaware?
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post #98 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:50pm
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Is Satanism going to be taught in grade school in Delaware?

Next thing you know, they'll be teaching our kids that all life on earth evolved from a puddle of primordial goo, even though there is no proof.

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post #99 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:51pm
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So, according to you, discrimination is good.

I didn't say that. Want to deal what I actually said instead of what you think I mean?


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Yes, according to me, discrimination is automatically a bad thing.

Good for you.


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And how is clipping my quote shorter changing the fact that what I said was "homophobic or discriminatory". Are you saying you should have misquoted me? If you read my quote wrong, that's your problem.

Not at all. I was trying to put to bed the homophobic thing. If you want to wrap two different concepts into one and get a free pass on it, talk to someone else.


QUOTE=tonton;1718173]Just so that we're clear, believing that gay sex or same-gender marriage is wrong or unbiblical is the same thing as "being homophobic or discriminatory against gays."[/QUOTE]

And that's why I meant to separate them, because it is not the same thing as being homophobic. Your ignorance is showing here.

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post #100 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:52pm
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To call an alter a satanic alter when it isn't is absurd and highly offensive I'm sure to many. For her not to correct her slant is telling, should she not.

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post #101 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:52pm
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Next thing you know, they'll be teaching our kids that all life on earth evolved from a puddle of primordial goo, even though there is no proof.

Creation is now proven and well documented:
Creation how it happened
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post #102 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:55pm
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8 posts on this page alone. And still I'd like to know what you really think on some of these subjects.
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post #103 of 235
9/20/10 at 4:57pm
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And that's why I meant to separate them, because it is not the same thing as being homophobic. Your ignorance is showing here.

OK. Stop. You're making a fool of yourself. I never said that it was the same thing as being homophobic, so you can't simply split my statement and take my quote out of context. I said it was the same thing as being homophobic or discriminatory against gays. I said that for a reason.

It could be homophobic. It might not be. That's why I included that word. But it is definitely discriminatory. That's why I included that word.

Context and sentence structure are important! Improve your comprehension skills and you might not be making so many dumb mistakes like this.
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post #104 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:01pm
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Seriously. Does this clown have a point? Or is he just going to roll eyes without comment for everything he doesn't have the intelligence to respond to verbally and coherently?

MJ!!! Attention!!!!

I'm asking you this. What exactly is acceptable about blind ignorance about the difference between Wicca and Satanism?

Let me ask you this: Do you think Wicca and Satanism are linked? The same thing? Both evil? What is your point?
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post #105 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:03pm
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OK. Stop. You're making a fool of yourself.

No, you are. And you next statement shows it.


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I never said that it was the same thing as being homophobic

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I said it was the same thing as being homophobic or discriminatory against gays.

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It could be homophobic. It might not be. That's why I included that word. But it is definitely discriminatory. That's why I included that word.

So then say it more clearly. First it is discriminatory. There is no or about it. It is. It might also be homophobic but is not necessarily. You'r trying to weasel out of your poor wording of things.


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Context is important! Improve your comprehension skills and you might not be making so many dumb mistakes like this.

Writing correctly and coherently is important! Improve your writing skills and you might not be misunderstood because of your dumb mistakes like this.

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post #106 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:04pm
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I didn't say that. Want to deal what I actually said instead of what you think I mean?

Because you're never direct about what you mean.

Let me rephrase, to give you the benefit of the doubt.

You think that discrimination can sometimes be a good thing. That is obvious. You can't lie and say we shouldn't be able to deduct that from your comment.

If you really don't want us to know what you think, then just go away and don't say anything at all. You can't have it both ways.
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post #107 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:05pm
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Seriously. Does this clown have a point? Or is he just going to roll eyes without comment for everything he doesn't have the intelligence to respond to verbally and coherently?

MJ!!! Attention!!!!

I'm asking you this. What exactly is acceptable about blind ignorance about the difference between Wicca and Satanism?

Anything. Everything. Who gives a shit. Does you expectation of the difference between these things extend to every other politician or just this one?


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Let me ask you this: Do you think Wicca and Satanism are linked? The same thing? Both evil? What is your point?

Don't know. Don't give a shit.

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post #108 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:08pm
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Because you're never direct about what you mean.

Deal with my words instead of what you think I mean. This will go easier.


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You think that discrimination can sometimes be a good thing.

I think it can be. I think we all do it. Perhaps not based on race or sexual preferences. But we all do it.


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If you really don't want us to know what you think, then just go away and don't say anything at all.

You're free to ignore me.

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post #109 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:09pm
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8 posts on this page alone. And still I'd like to know what you really think on some of these subjects.

He's deliberately circuitous and obscure. He knows his positions are subject to rational criticism, so he tries to hide them to avoid being criticized for them. Yet he can't resist criticizing others, so he gets all mixed up in the issue, and sometimes inadvertently shows his stripes.
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post #110 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:11pm
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Deal with my words instead of what you think I mean. This will go easier.

Your words are most often meaningless and ambiguous. You expect the right to criticize without being criticized in return.
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post #111 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:11pm
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He's deliberately circuitous and obscure. He knows his positions are subject to rational criticism, so he tries to hide them to avoid being criticized for them. Yet he can't resist criticizing others, so he gets all mixed up in the issue, and sometimes inadvertently shows his stripes.

You guys want to have a chat about me, take it private. This thread is about the left's obsession with something some political candidate they don't like did a couple of decades ago.

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9/20/10 at 5:12pm
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Your words are most often meaningless and ambiguous. You expect the right to criticize without being criticized in return.

Whatever. Ignore me then.

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post #113 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:13pm
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Don't know. Don't give a shit.

This is the precise definition of willful ignorance.
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post #114 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:14pm
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Don't know. Don't give a shit.

I suspect you mean yes, but aren't willing to admit it. Am I right?

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post #115 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:15pm
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This is the precise definition of willful ignorance.

Thanks. So? I don't feel the need to educate myself on every little inconsequential thing (Wicca and Satanism fall into this category for me.) If you wish to educate yourself on these, knock yourself out.

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post #116 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:15pm
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I suspect you mean yes, but aren't willing to admit it. Am I right?

Nope.

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9/20/10 at 5:17pm
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You guys want to have a chat about me, take it private. This thread is about the left's obsession with something some political candidate they don't like did a couple of decades ago.

No, it's not. It's about her ignorance today. If that happens to be related to something she did when she was a teenager, then so be it. But her ignorance today is the issue here.
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post #118 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:18pm
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Thanks. So? I don't feel the need to educate myself on every little inconsequential thing (Wicca and Satanism fall into this category for me.) If you wish to educate yourself on these, knock yourself out.

Ok. Here's the thing. If you don't educate yourself on the issue, you have absolutely no fucking right whatsoever to comment on it without being called out for your incredible amount of ignorance.
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post #119 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:19pm
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No, it's not. It's about her ignorance today. If that happens to be related to something she did when she was a teenager, then so be it. But her ignorance today is the issue here.

On an issue entirely inconsequential to her serving in the position she's running for. This is a fucking red herring. This is non-issue. Except to the left and your OCD over it.

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post #120 of 235
9/20/10 at 5:19pm
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Ok. Here's the thing. If you don't educate yourself on the issue, you have absolutely no fucking right whatsoever to comment on it without being called out for your incredible amount of ignorance.

Wrong.

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