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You're shouting HE'S A MARXIST!!!!! anyway.

Actually, AS THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD ADVANCED, it is Chris Cooks saying that, i.e., "The Making of a Bearded Marxist," by Chris Coons!

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So. One must conclude you're either pissing your pants for no reason, or you're so desperate for Team Republican to win you'll try and confuse people by telling lies, or... you just don't know very much.

You really don't know Chris Coons and by your comments herein you sure don't know what Marxism is. I suggest you ask Chris. In the interim, what MJ1970 just posted is appropriate =>

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More clearly and succinctly: He wants higher taxes for companies...or...he wants to expropriate more of the property of capitalists than is currently being expropriated.
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I notice you've very carefully (and narrowly) worded your definition of what is (or isn't) "Marxist" but, to the astute reader, this does not successfully disguise things as you might like. You are referring here to a specific tactic or approach (e.g., process of revolution). while also (deliberately or ignorantly) missing the fact that things like calls for higher taxes are, in point of fact, merely a different method or form of "expropriate the capitalist classes" and a different process to "take the means of production into the hands of the proletariat."




More clearly and succinctly: He wants higher taxes for companies...or...he wants to expropriate more of the property of capitalists than is currently being expropriated.


Can you explain why countries who have implemented some of Marx/Engels theories are kicking the US ass not only economically but with their heath care, their education, their overall individual wealth and the happiness of the citizenry. They hold more patents and have little companies like VW, BMW and Mercedes, Siemens, LG and Sony, Hanjin and KIA and BP and Apple(Chia) and HP(China) and the US has a trade deficit of ~50 Billion per quarter, can you please shed some light on this?
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post #43 of 68
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Can you explain why countries who have implemented some of Marx/Engels theories are kicking the US ass not only economically but with their heath care, their education, their overall individual wealth and the happiness of the citizenry. They hold more patents and have little companies like VW, BMW and Mercedes, Siemens, LG and Sony, Hanjin and KIA and BP and Apple(Chia) and HP(China) and the US has a trade deficit of ~50 Billion per quarter, can you please shed some light on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Here's a list, you choose.
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I notice you've very carefully (and narrowly) worded your definition of what is (or isn't) "Marxist" but, to the astute reader, this does not successfully disguise things as you might like. You are referring here to a specific tactic or approach (e.g., process of revolution). while also (deliberately or ignorantly) missing the fact that things like calls for higher taxes are, in point of fact, merely a different method or form of "expropriate the capitalist classes" and a different process to "take the means of production into the hands of the proletariat."

More clearly and succinctly: He wants higher taxes for companies...or...he wants to expropriate more of the property of capitalists than is currently being expropriated.

Forgive me, but this is total, utter, fucking bullshit you have written. Here is why, in simple talk.

Camp David started a thread to say that Chris Coons is a Marxist.

Chris Coons is not a Marxist. He is not running on a Marxist platform. His policies are not those of a Marxist.

The word 'Marxist' means something. It has a DEFINITION. Wanting higher taxes does not make you a Marxist. Is that all you've got? Well, it doesn't matter. Because that is not Marxism. You don't like his policies? Well, I'm sorry. You can cheer for the other candidate. What you don't get to do is unilaterally declare that any opposition to Republican economic policy is Marxist.

That is total, utter fucking bullshit.
post #45 of 68
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Actually, AS THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD ADVANCED, it is Chris Cooks saying that, i.e., "The Making of a Bearded Marxist," by Chris Coons!

And is he a Marxist today?

I will re-write that, using bold, italics and size 7 comic sans, which is a friendly font, so you might perhaps be forced to address the loathsome dishonesty you are using.

Is he a Marxist today?

No, he is not. His policies are not those of a Marxist. How do we know? Because he has published his policies on his website.

You are pissing your pants that the Democratic Candidate for Delaware is a Marxist. Why are you pissing your pants so? Is it
  • because you don't know what Marxism IS
  • because you just want to scare people by lying
  • because you really do not care about discussion, you just want the Republicans to win, or
  • because you are sixteen?

You are either lying intentionally or ignorant. Fucking learn something and stop making the world a shitter place by spreading misinformation as loudly as you can. Assume some civic responsibility and treat your community with some respect.
post #46 of 68
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And is he a Marxist today?.

Like B Obama, C Coons seemed to once favor Marxism, now in order to campaign for Senate his handlers are denying his Marxism advocacy. His actions on imposition of taxes on citizens - repeated crushing escalation - makes Coons' actions suspect on his advocacy for Capitalism. At very least Coons is hostile to the democratic system in place and small business/industrial capitalism in place in Delaware. From this, trust in Coons by citizens of the state should not be a given, until he himself explains his Marxist ideas.
post #47 of 68
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Like B Obama, C Coons seemed to once favor Marxism, now in order to campaign for Senate his handlers are denying his Marxism advocacy. His actions on imposition of taxes on citizens - repeated crushing escalation - makes Coons' actions suspect on his advocacy for Capitalism. At very least Coons is hostile to the democratic system in place and small business/industrial capitalism in place in Delaware. From this, trust in Coons by citizens of the state should not be a given, until he himself explains his Marxist ideas.

No. His policies are not those of a Marxist. So he does not need to explain his Marxist ideas. He needs to explain his ideas in the same way that his opponent does. It is an election.

Will you please stop pissing your pants.

If you go to his website, you will see that he does not want to bring about an end to capitalism.

When you write that he does, you are pissing your pants.

It is good that you want to engage in politics. But when you write that wanting to raise taxes is equivalent to desiring an end to private property and capitalism, you are PISSING YOUR PANTS. You are contributing nothing. You are making the world more stupid.
post #48 of 68
It's widely rumoured that the Police have a system that monitors telephones and kicks in when someone on a call mentions the words 'drugs' or explosives' or even perhaps in the US 'liberal' at which point you may disappear shortly after or else find yourself beaten to a pulp in a back alley by some jack-booted goon on overtime from Her Majesty's Finest.

I hear that Camp David has installed a version on his PC (surely?) that does the same thing for Message Boards but tuned for keywords like "Marxist", "Muslims" or "Healthcare".

It appears that the 'beat up evildoer' function has a bug though and they turn up at his gaff everytime it happens instead which is why he gets so exercised and panicked.
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post #49 of 68
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Forgive me, but this is total, utter, fucking bullshit you have written.

...

That is total, utter fucking bullshit.

Yes, because you say it is.

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post #50 of 68
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If you go to his website, you will see that he does not want to bring about an end to capitalism.

On Obama's campaign website you would have also found his campaign positions quite favorable to small business; since his election his actions have revealed his true belief - utter hostility toward capitalism and the earnest push toward Marxist ideology. So it is with Chris Coons. One thing with Marxists I have found is a willingly to lie, frequently and forcefully, about their support for it until they are in a position to impose it on the bourgeoisie class to advance the proletariat. Marxists don't use these terms of course; Barack Hussein has become quite proficient using "middle class" and "top 2%" code in his references, now the known tactics of Obamaism. Using such lessons, we can look at Chris Coons and know his Marxist modus operandi and it is not support of capitalism based on his ruinous term as County Executive of New Castle County.

Note that fellow progressive, Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid, has adopted Marxist Coons as his pet =>

Reid: 'My Pet' Chris Coons Will Win
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...enate-race.php
"I'm going to be very honest with you -- Chris Coons, everybody knows him in the Democratic caucus. He's my pet. He's my favorite candidate," Reid said.
post #51 of 68
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Yes, because you say it is.

No, it is bullshit for the reasons I explained.

Since you are confused I will repeat them.

Marxism has a definition. I do not get to decide what Marxism is and you do not get to decide what Marxism is. Marx decided that in the late 1800s when he wrote his political philosophy down, sitting in the British Library.

Chris Coons' proposed policies are not Marxist, since he is not proposing that the proletariat seize the means of production and put an end to capitalism. This is a defining tenet of Marxism, albeit one of many.

He wants to allow George Bush's tax cuts to expire.

He does not want to end capitalism. He is not a Marxist.

THAT is why what you wrote is bullshit. It is because what you wrote was not in any way true.
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Here's a list, you choose.

Sorry these are Marxist - communist. I am looking for Marx/Engels countries like Austria, Germany and other social democracies.
Very well ignored A+ (I think this is your first A+ in ignorance, well done!)
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post #53 of 68
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Chris Coons is not a Marxist. He is not running on a Marxist platform. His policies are not those of a Marxist...

Hussein Obama was the same during his campaign; play the fictional capitalist during the vote yet as soon as elected look to advance the unions, punish the bourgeoisie class, and advance the proletariat in a wealth transfer. Utter crap for policy - anathema in itself and opposed to capitalism.
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Hussein Obama was the same during his campaign; play the fictional capitalist during the vote yet as soon as elected look to advance the unions, punish the bourgeoisie class, and advance the proletariat in a wealth transfer. Utter crap for policy - anathema in itself and opposed to capitalism.

Something cannot be 'anathema in itself'.

You need to have 'anathema TO (insert object of hate here)' - for example:
Camp David's posts are anathema to all rational and psychologically balanced people

Or

Spelling, grammar and coherent syntax were anathema to Camp David but the way you attempt the construction does not make sense.

Hope this helps.
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Something cannot be 'anathema in itself'.

Anathema (from Koine Greek ἀνάθεμα[1] "something dedicated, especially dedicated to evil” from ἀνατίθημι anatithēmi, "I set upon, offer as a votive gift to segovius's fifth grade graduation ") originally meant something lifted up as an offering; it later evolved to mean:to be formally set apart (the meaning you incorrectly accused me of misunderstanding), but thanks just the same...

Hope this helps.
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We interrupt this rational and sane gathering of enlightened minds with the latest updates to the Sheep Firmwa...err...Store of human knowledge and civilization.

The following terms are deprecated or updated - please purge your caches and re-install:

Marxist = someone supporting tax increases

Churches in Indonesia = zero

Churches in Iran = zero

Synagogues in Indonesia = zero

Synagogues in Iran = zero

(note: anyone assigning a positive integer to the above functions must be reported to the authorities immediately.... danger of malware)

Anathema = consult Camp David for definitions at any given time.

Please update these definitions and do not - repeat DO NOT - utilize any previous definitions or ANY OTHER DEFINITION THAT APPEARS TO MAKE RATIONAL SENSE.

Transgressors will be jeered at in an immature fashion, subjected to banal nonsense till their head bursts and bored to death with unintelligible gibberish.

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post #57 of 68
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Can you explain why countries who have implemented some of Marx/Engels theories are kicking the US ass not only economically but with their heath care, their education, their overall individual wealth and the happiness of the citizenry. They hold more patents and have little companies like VW, BMW and Mercedes, Siemens, LG and Sony, Hanjin and KIA and BP and Apple(Chia) and HP(China) and the US has a trade deficit of ~50 Billion per quarter, can you please shed some light on this?

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Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...list_countries

Here's a list, you choose.

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Sorry these are Marxist - communist. I am looking for Marx/Engels countries like Austria, Germany and other social democracies.
Very well ignored A+ (I think this is your first A+ in ignorance, well done!)

First in your post you failed to make this distinction between Marx-Communist and Marx/Engels-Social Democracyso you fail there. Haven't those Communistic countries listed in wiki implemented some of Marx/Engels theories (CHINA amongst them?)? If so, then your premise as you see it is flawed or fails to take into account that you can use the Marx-Communist states as examples as well.

We can disagree, can make errors, or we can mistakesbut to belittle someone who tries to answer your post is just a D+ Drake University Education





LG, Hanjin and KIA are South Korean companies--- I would include Samsung, Helio, Hyundai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...of_South_Korea
S Korea is not a social democracytheir government is much like ours. They have their ups and downs depending on who is in power. However it appears that their health care system is a lot better than ours---but S. Korea is not a Marx/EngelsSocial Democracy and the type of health care that in a country does not necessarily make it a social democracy.
http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2010/...-in-korea.html
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

Apple Chi[n]a is a US company who manufactures products in China at Fox Com amongst others. Also contracts with South Korea and Singapore.
HP is a multinational US based company. HP China http://www.hpl.hp.com/china/
---Lenovo who bought IBM's PC's is a Chinese electronic company. But isn't the PRC Marxist/EngelsCommunist and not Marx/EngelsSocial Democracy. Somehow the PRC doesn't fit the definition below:

Social Democracy:
Quote:
social democracy,*political ideology that advocates a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. Based on 19th-century socialism and the tenets of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, social democracy shares common ideological roots with communism but eschews its militancy and totalitarianism. Social democracy was originally known as revisionism because it represented a change in basic Marxist doctrine, primarily in the formers repudiation of the use of revolution to establish a socialist society.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...cial-democracy

Again another D+ Drake U. example from you.



Sony is Japanese company whose government not a social democracy:
Japan no longer officially has the traditional federal system, and its 47 prefectures depend on the central government for most funding. Governors of prefectures, mayors of municipalities, and prefectural and municipal assembly members are popularly elected for four year terms.http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Japanese_government

BP is British and BP is responsible for the Gulf of Mexico oil spill

Social Democracy appears to be on a decline in Europe-----but this is another story and off topic:

The decline of Europe's social democratic parties
Philippe Marlière, 16 March 2010

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On previous occasions of decline, social democracy has bounced back in Europe, but this time the record includes ideological and cultural meltdown. What would it take to survive the current crisis?

This electoral trend was emphatically confirmed in the 2009 European elections. Social democratic parties were the main losers on this occasion despite harbouring high hopes of doing well after the debâcle of financial capitalism and market politics. These poor results are all the more surprising given that, almost everywhere in Europe, conservative forces are in decline. The main lesson of this election was that social democratic parties were severely rejected where they are traditionally strong (France, Germany, UK, Italy and Spain). One can note also that the slump in votes of social democratic forces benefited the radical left in several countries (France, Germany, Portugal and to some extent Greece).

*---you can read more @http://www.opendemocracy.net/philippe-marliere/decline-of-europes-social-democratic-parties
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First in your post you failed to make this distinction between Marx-Communist and Marx/Engels-Social Democracyso you fail there. Haven't those Communistic countries listed in wiki implemented some of Marx/Engels theories (CHINA amongst them?)? If so, then your premise as you see it is flawed or fails to take into account that you can use the Marx-Communist states as examples as well.

We can disagree, can make errors, or we can mistakesbut to belittle someone who tries to answer your post is just a D+ Drake University Education





LG, Hanjin and KIA are South Korean companies--- I would include Samsung, Helio, Hyundai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...of_South_Korea
S Korea is not a social democracytheir government is much like ours. They have their ups and downs depending on who is in power. However it appears that their health care system is a lot better than ours---but S. Korea is not a Marx/EngelsSocial Democracy and the type of health care that in a country does not necessarily make it a social democracy.
http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2010/...-in-korea.html
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

Apple Chi[n]a is a US company who manufactures products in China at Fox Com amongst others. Also contracts with South Korea and Singapore.
HP is a multinational US based company. HP China http://www.hpl.hp.com/china/
---Lenovo who bought IBM's PC's is a Chinese electronic company. But isn't the PRC Marxist/EngelsCommunist and not Marx/EngelsSocial Democracy. Somehow the PRC doesn't fit the definition below:

Social Democracy:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...cial-democracy

Again another D+ Drake U. example from you.



Sony is Japanese company whose government not a social democracy:
Japan no longer officially has the traditional federal system, and its 47 prefectures depend on the central government for most funding. Governors of prefectures, mayors of municipalities, and prefectural and municipal assembly members are popularly elected for four year terms.http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Japanese_government

BP is British and BP is responsible for the Gulf of Mexico oil spill

Social Democracy appears to be on a decline in Europe-----but this is another story and off topic:

The decline of Europe's social democratic parties
Philippe Marlière, 16 March 2010

*---you can read more @http://www.opendemocracy.net/philippe-marliere/decline-of-europes-social-democratic-parties

My post says "some of Marx/Engels theories." Even the right in most European SDs are social democratic parties. However the rate of atheists is increasing much faster than in the US and the Christian Right in Europe will not be able to hold on to power long. I read European news every day. Several countries also have elections this year and we will see who wins. i.e. Austria had a right wing fascist problem 6 years ago and this party has all but disappeared now. Their leader was gay (imagine a gay NAZI, wow) and died mysteriously in a car accident.
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My post says "some of Marx/Engels theories." Even the right in most European SDs are social democratic parties. However the rate of atheists is increasing much faster than in the US and the Christian Right in Europe will not be able to hold on to power long. I read European news every day. Several countries also have elections this year and we will see who wins. i.e. Austria had a right wing fascist problem 6 years ago and this party has all but disappeared now. Their leader was gay (imagine a gay NAZI, wow) and died mysteriously in a car accident.

You've got to be joking....

Jorg Haider might have been gay but he was a total right-wing wanker of the first order.

Nazism is rampant here in Europe and without doubt will increase with the legitimization of it in the US.

I think the Netherlands are currently leading the way in the Fascist stakes and will probably be the first to elect a fascist PM - no doubt extreme Nazi Wilders.

Austria are still out there and Denmark has a serious problem.

Switzerland has normalized the extreme now with the ban on mosques/minarets (despite there not being any) and some classic Nazi-style racist political posters which go unchallenged.

France has banned Burkas and are currently illegally raiding and deporting ethnic minorities in a manner which has been compared to Nazi expulsions in WW2.

Belgium - racism over-boiling and similar bans.

The whole of Scandanavia seems in the grip of an extreme-right upsurge.

Probably the only places where things are normal are Spain, Germany and the UK - though this latter does have the BNP and the laughable EDL but people mostly realize these are just wankers.
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You've got to be joking....

Jorg Haider might have been gay but he was a total right-wing wanker of the first order.

Nazism is rampant here in Europe and without doubt will increase with the legitimization of it in the US.

I think the Netherlands are currently leading the way in the Fascist stakes and will probably be the first to elect a fascist PM - no doubt extreme Nazi Wilders.

Austria are still out there and Denmark has a serious problem.

Switzerland has normalized the extreme now with the ban on mosques/minarets (despite there not being any) and some classic Nazi-style racist political posters which go unchallenged.

France has banned Burkas and are currently illegally raiding and deporting ethnic minorities in a manner which has been compared to Nazi expulsions in WW2.

Belgium - racism over-boiling and similar bans.

The whole of Scandanavia seems in the grip of an extreme-right upsurge.

Probably the only places where things are normal are Spain, Germany and the UK - though this latter does have the BNP and the laughable EDL but people mostly realize these are just wankers.

I wonder if Hitler 2 will be Austrian as well.
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I wonder if Hitler 2 will be Austrian as well.

I'll go with Dutch or American.
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I'll go with Dutch or American.

Dutch is a good possibility. They do have massive international corps they have % of almost all wind energy in the world (they put up all the mills in Denmark) and they are very conservative Lutherans. We just can hope they don't change their drug laws and stay stoned.
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Dutch is a good possibility. They do have massive international corps they have % of almost all wind energy in the world (they put up all the mills in Denmark) .

Off topic, but it's the other way 'round, actually! I'd be very surprised if there were a single wind turbine in the whole of Denmark that wasn't put up by a Danish company.
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Off topic, but it's the other way 'round, actually! I'd be very surprised if there were a single wind turbine in the whole of Denmark that wasn't put up by a Danish company.

A very good Dutch friend of mine has put up 60 huge turbines in the ocean off the coast of Denmark. Sorry, I do know this first hand. He also owns turbines near Las Vegas and all over Holland. He's been doing this since the 70's.
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A very good Dutch friend of mine has put up 60 huge turbines in the ocean off the coast of Denmark. Sorry, I do know this first hand. He also owns turbines near Las Vegas and all over Holland. He's been doing this since the 70's.

We've got ONE here.

Interestingly...

"Nordex is a German company that designs, sells and manufactures wind turbines. The company was founded in 1985 in Give, Denmark."
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A very good Dutch friend of mine has put up 60 huge turbines in the ocean off the coast of Denmark. Sorry, I do know this first hand. He also owns turbines near Las Vegas and all over Holland. He's been doing this since the 70's.

Oh, OK.

I've just moved back to London after nearly fourteen months in Denmark and I guess I've been propagandised. It's definitely true that Denmark makes half the world's wind turbines and you very rarely see a wind turbine anywhere in Denmark that isn't made by Vestas, though, so I'm pretty confident that the Dutch didn't put up "all the mills" there.

Not that it's massively relevant anyways.
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Oh, OK.

I've just moved back to London after nearly fourteen months in Denmark and I guess I've been propagandised. It's definitely true that Denmark makes half the world's wind turbines and you very rarely see a wind turbine anywhere in Denmark that isn't made by Vestas, though, so I'm pretty confident that the Dutch didn't put up "all the mills" there.

Not that it's massively relevant anyways.

Companies who build turbines are usually not the ones who make the deals to put them. You can go buy a few and lease some land where the wind blows and get started in the energy business.My buddy does not make turbines but he knows folks in governments all over the globe.
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60 MINUTES BROADCAST

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