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Research in Motion could reveal the "Blackpad," its response to Apple's iPad, at next week's BlackBerry Developer Conference, a new report claims.

BlackBerry DevCon runs from Sept. 27-30 in San Francisco, Calif., and would be an ideal time for RIM to reveal the rumored tablet.

Sources familiar with the BlackBerry maker's plans told the Wall Street Journal that the tablet will feature a "seven-inch touch screen and one or two built-in cameras" and will forgo the BlackBerry 6 operating system for a new OS developed by QNX.

Earlier this year, RIM bought QNX, which makes operating systems for everything from "cars to nuclear reactors." RIM's purchase of QNX was seen as a move to counter problems with the BlackBerry operating system, which critics have described as "slow and buggy."

The new tablet device will support Bluetooth, broadband, and tethering with a BlackBerry smartphone, according to the report.

Sources also claimed that \tthe device will be manufactured by Quanta Computer, the world's largest notebook manufacturer, with chips sourced from Marvell Technology Group.

Although a spokeswoman for Quanta and executives at Marvell told the Journal that their companies were independently working on tablets, neither company would name RIM as the client. RIM declined to comment on the rumors.

Bloomberg reported in July that RIM was prepping the "Blackpad" for a November release. RIM acquired the blackpad.com domain earlier in July.

The runaway success of the iPhone has RIM scrambling to keep up. Second quarter data from Research firm Gartner revealed that iOS and Android continued to gain on RIM in world-wide smartphone sales. In August, RIM held a high-profile publicity event to launch the BlackBerry Torch, a smartphone meant to compete with the iPhone 4.
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1st post woot. Will be looking forward to how this RIM pad plays out.
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I really like that Apple has introduced the right form factor for the tablet computer. Apple does have a head start because of the available apps. Also I find the screen aspect ratio that Apple has chosen to be perfect for reading books and especially PDFs. Reading PDFs on a 16:9 screen like the Galaxy Tab is less than ideal.
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1st post woot. Will be looking forward to how this RIM pad plays out.

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Yes their were Tablets before the iPad but they weren't as popular. Then comes Apple with the iPad and it Spins the world like crazy and now we have all this competitors trying to bring out the so called "iPad Killer". IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE LET IT GO!!!
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I wonder what consumer type is RIM going for? Average joe consumer type? Tech/geeky consumer? Or the business type consumer? Or hit and miss with all of the above..!?
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Yes their were Tablets before the iPad but they weren't as popular. Then comes Apple with the iPad and it Spins the world like crazy and now we have all this competitors trying to bring out the so called "iPad Killer". IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE LET IT GO!!!

The smart thing to do is to respect all competition. Arrogance breeds complacency and ultimate defeat. Apple needs to study this RIM product very carefully and work to counter any advantages that it may have. RIM is not Samsung or one of these upstart pad maker. Take them seriously or suffer.
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What are you 10 years old?

I know what I am, but what are you.
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What are you 10 years old?

Are you 100 years old?
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Can't imagine myself buying a 7 inch tablet. Too big for the pockets and too small for couch playing imo.
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Can't imagine myself buying a 7 inch tablet. Too big for the pockets and too small for couch playing imo.

The current 10" iPad is textbook size (A4 inc the bezel/margin, A5 without). It is ideal for many things but larger than essential for a single-column page reader. The 7" format would be the size and take the place of the paperback novel (A6). Ideal for reading and playing games on the train or bus (compared to iPad and the iPod touch, A7) and it would fit in suit jacket pockets and larger trouser pockets. I could see Apple pushing one to market and it being a success.
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Can't imagine myself buying a 7 inch tablet. Too big for the pockets and too small for couch playing imo.

I could. And I'm quite shure Apple is preparing one, like a smaller & lighter "iPad Nano" or expanded "Touch".

What I'd be very unshure of, however, is buying a gadget like this new Blacpad with a totally new and unproven operating system, made by a third party they've aquired (if the reports are correct). It will be interesting to see how this is going to work together with their old blacberry apps and environment. Or maybe they opt for a total, fresh "restart"?
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I could. And I'm quite shure Apple is preparing one, like a smaller & lighter "Nano" or expanded "Touch".

What I'd be very unshure of, however, is buying a gadget like this new Blacpad with a totally new and unproven operating system, made by a third party they've aquired (if the reports are correct). It will be interesting to see how this is going to work together with their old blacberry apps and environment. Or maybe they opt for a total, fresh "restart"?

I think an enhanced version of their current operating system would be smarter, using a totally new OS is quite a big risk just to enter and catch up in a market that's not absolutely critical for them.
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...the plot thickens!!!
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The smart thing to do is to respect all competition. Arrogance breeds complacency and ultimate defeat. Apple needs to study this RIM product very carefully and work to counter any advantages that it may have. RIM is not Samsung or one of these upstart pad maker. Take them seriously or suffer.

Yeah, either that or... keep on doing what Apple's been doing.

Which is winning by going its own way.
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I think it is time to notice (again) how Apple has been able to turn the name "pad" into the standard term for a thin tablet. Lest we forget, only 6 or 7 months ago the term was derided by trolls and Apple critics and openly questioned by many supporters. Now? It is the unquestioned standard...

Anyway, I am curious to see what RIM comes up with.
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The smart thing to do is to respect all competition. Arrogance breeds complacency and ultimate defeat. Apple needs to study this RIM product very carefully and work to counter any advantages that it may have. RIM is not Samsung or one of these upstart pad maker. Take them seriously or suffer.

This cautionary tone comes up over and over. I wonder if the people who post it recognize that it doesn't really matter if Apple fans are "complacent" or "over confidant?"
If one thinks that Apple itself is not taking its competition seriously, then it makes sense, but there is no indication, IMHO, that Apple is sitting back and milking the iPad with no attention toward future development and innovation.
Nothing personal, biggarthomas, it is certainly a widespread practice. But still I wonder, why take Apple to task every time a fan gets exuberant?
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Real creative name there: Blackpad. I wonder where they got the idea from?
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Real creative name there: Blackpad. I wonder where they got the idea from?

Yeah I wonder. Muppets. I would hazard a guess that its UI is also a crappy tribute to iOS as well.
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7 inches, 10 inches... bah! What are a few inches between good friends?

Hmmm..... OK that does sound a little weird now that I have typed it.

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What are you 10 years old?

Oh, the good old times, the running in the streets and playing marbles and Game Boy... I wish I were 10 y.o. again.

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What are a few inches between good friends?

A good time.
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1st post woot. Will be looking forward to how this RIM pad plays out.

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What are you 10 years old?

In my 71 years, one of the most valuable lessons was to enjoy lifes little pleasures.

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Oh, the good old times, the running in the streets and playing marbles and Game Boy... I wish I were 10 y.o. again.

But no sex. I'll pass.
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and will forgo the BlackBerry 6 operating system for a new OS developed by QNX.

What? A new OS? Another app store? How many OSs will app developers support?
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The current 10" iPad is textbook size (A4 inc the bezel/margin, A5 without). It is ideal for many things but larger than essential for a single-column page reader. The 7" format would be the size and take the place of the paperback novel (A6). Ideal for reading and playing games on the train or bus (compared to iPad and the iPod touch, A7) and it would fit in suit jacket pockets and larger trouser pockets. I could see Apple pushing one to market and it being a success.

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Can't imagine myself buying a 7 inch tablet. Too big for the pockets and too small for couch playing imo.

Stephen Colbert pulled an iPad out of his suit jacket at tha Grammys... Probably a special pocket, though...

Maybe we should all start wearing lab coats and scrubs.

In this day and age, it would not be surprising for clothing manufactuers to change their offerings to accomodate our devices -- larger pockets.

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But no sex. I'll pass.

Didn't you ever play "doctor" at the age of 10? Maybe, you were doing it wrong!

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Stephen Colbert pulled an iPad out of his suit jacket at tha Grammys... Probably a special pocket, though...

Maybe we should all start wearing lab coats and scrubs.

In this day and age, it would not be surprising for clothing manufactuers to change their offerings to accomodate our devices -- larger pockets.

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So you think the XY-Pad form factors are going to drive new trends in fashion. Could be interesting.
Gucci and co will have something to think about.
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What? A new OS? Another app store? How many OSs will app developers support?

Actually, QNX predates OS X, modern Windows OSes, iOS, PalmOS, Android and Win Mobile OSes.

There were versions for Apple ][ and IBM/pc.

http://www.qnx.com/products/tools/qnx-momentics.html

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q1/.../be_qnx-1.html

Likely, this is a good decision for RIM.

I understand they have a robust development environment.

http://www.qnx.com/products/tools/qnx-momentics.html

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Real creative name there: Blackpad. I wonder where they got the idea from?

The same place they got the form factor I bet... Which will be, let me guess, aluminum back, glass front, the front surrounded by a black border all tied in nicely by a silver bezel. Hmmm, where have I seen that before? Oh, it's right here in my hands while I type this post. Silly me, it's the iPad!

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Yes their were Tablets before the iPad but they weren't as popular. Then comes Apple with the iPad and it Spins the world like crazy and now we have all this competitors trying to bring out the so called "iPad Killer". IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE LET IT GO!!!

Why so defensive? Nobody said anything about an "iPad killer." Do you simply expect all companies to sit back and say, "Well, the iPad dominates the tablet market. Let's not try to get a share of that"? What if Apple had said, "Windows dominates the PC market. Let's forget this Mac garbage. We'll never beat them"?
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I wonder what consumer type is RIM going for? Average joe consumer type? Tech/geeky consumer? Or the business type consumer? Or hit and miss with all of the above..!?

Good question! IMHO, given RIM spent a lot of time and money mocking Apple's virtual keyboards and to this day run ads stating "I need both" I assume it will have a slide out keyboard () and be targeted at the same audience as their new smart phone ... i.e. they have no clue who the hell their audience is anymore!
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Why so defensive? Nobody said anything about an "iPad killer." Do you simply expect all companies to sit back and say, "Well, the iPad dominates the tablet market. Let's not try to get a share of that"? What if Apple had said, "Windows dominates the PC market. Let's forget this Mac garbage. We'll never beat them"?

While not entirely disagreeing with you, your analogy is really a bit iffy. Apple was very strong in the PC market before Window's existed so one could argue Apple was always trying to recover. In fact history shows SJ decided profit was more important than market share anyway hence Apple overtaking MS this year in market cap.

Meanwhile re iPad, it seems fair to me that Apple fans can mock wannabe iPads to their heart's content here on a Mac forum. Especially when you consider the crap they had to take on this very forum from PC fans who stated ad nauseum 'Apple iPad will be an epic fail'. Just my 2 cents
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The same place they got the form factor I bet... Which will be, let me guess, aluminum back, glass front, the front surrounded by a black border all tied in nicely by a silver bezel. Hmmm, where have I seen that before? Oh, it's right here in my hands while I type this post. Silly me, it's the iPad!

You mean RIM won't do anything original? (I agree with you). Actually they just might add a few things they feel will make it even better and accelerate its failure.

At the end of the day the 'I hate Apple' folks will be divided up between all the pads from the copy crowd so RIM will have their work cut out making a profit and will ironically be fighting every other pad maker except Apple.
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Real creative name there: Blackpad. I wonder where they got the idea from?

I'm sure they would have loved to call it the bPad, but they can't be THAT obvious!
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You mean RIM won't do anything original? (I agree with you). Actually they just might add a few things they feel will make it even better and accelerate its failure.

At the end of the day the 'I hate Apple' folks will be divided up between all the pads from the copy crowd so RIM will have their work cut out making a profit and will ironically be fighting every other pad maker except Apple.

Really, how different can they make it? I'm pretty sure my flat panel TV looks a lot like yours and probably not the same brand. If RIMs tablet looks anything unlike the iPad you'll say "what an ugly POS" and if it resembles an iPad you'll say "omg they copied Apple design". Form factor is gonna get copied so get over it.
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I feel like "blackpad" lends itself to even more jokes than the iPad did.
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RIM will soon discover the only secret to their Blackberry's success was enterprise saturation and push. And perhaps a physical keyboard. None of that will help a tablet.
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I really like that Apple has introduced the right form factor for the tablet computer. Apple does have a head start because of the available apps. Also I find the screen aspect ratio that Apple has chosen to be perfect for reading books and especially PDFs. Reading PDFs on a 16:9 screen like the Galaxy Tab is less than ideal.


But everything else is better widescreen. Like websites and videos, which seems to me to be the uses I'd want to work best.
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I wonder what consumer type is RIM going for? Average joe consumer type? Tech/geeky consumer? Or the business type consumer? Or hit and miss with all of the above..!?


They have two main customers, as I understand it. The business community they have locked up.

But their other big customer base is teenaged girls.

Likely they will concentrate on their established customers, and then try to expand the base.
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