Mumbo Jumbo writes:
[quote]No, the point is prevention is better than cure, they detest you for a reason and "those that hate the US can FOAD" shows, er, bad listening skills. It'll happen again. That was my point. <hr></blockquote>
How will prevention happen, by changing our policies to avoid terrorist attack? RIGHT. I wonder what happens the next time terrorists want something? Hmmmm.......Prevention will happen through all the resources of our federal government and others. This includes the very military that is on the soil of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. Also, I never said "FOAD". That was someone else. Many detest not just the US, but ALL western nations. So, get ready, London isn't far behind. If the US doesn't fight a war on terror, who will?
[quote]Namely the loss of American jobs. The rest of the world can FOAD, where the 'd' stands for 'drown' in the case of the South Pacific atolls. It's happening now, as the people of Madagascar and Mocambique, for two, will tell you. (You do get some international news in the US media, I take it, so explanation is unnecessary.) <hr></blockquote>
Kyoto would indeed cost American jobs, and with questionable gains from it. Or, have you bought into the liberal mindset so much that you believe Kyoto is as I said "the be all and all of environmental treaties"? And as far as international news goes, you again are showing your ignorance by implying that the US doesn't get much international news....which is riduculous. That is a stereotype and you have accepted it.
[quote]Oh Jesus, we're doomed. Smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, according to Phillip Morris Inc. The only place in the world where global warming is still a theory is in the US. <hr></blockquote>
1. Your attempt at painting me as someone who buys the corporate line all the time is pathetic. Global warming IS NOT a fact, though I am inclined to agree it very well may exist. But I also haven't bought into the environmental lobby's bullshit either. We had a thing here a few years back on the spotted owl's habitat. The environmentalists convinced folks that loggers were destroying the owl's habitat. Thousands lost their jobs. Entire towns dispapeared off the map. Guess what though? We found out recently the whole thing was sham! It was a HOAX! Am I suggesting that global warming is a hoax? Not really. But one must at least ackoweldge the possibility that the changes seen over the past 50 years are insignificant and/or not caused by our emissions.
[quote]Yes. Exactly. What's so special about the US that puts it above judicial process? <hr></blockquote>
Because US personnel should be accountable to THEIR government. Ditto with your folks.
[quote]This is factually incorrect. Roosevelt, despite some great and very famous begging letters from Winston C, wouldn't be budged until the last minute. US isolationism's a whole 'nother topic, though. And purty boring. Suffice it to say you're wrong. <hr></blockquote>
Roosevelt did want us to enter the war. Perhaps not as fast as Churchill wanted, agreed.
Now, this is the doozy. What, precisely, was the 'reason?' And what, precisely, gives the US the right to overthrow democratically elected governments simply because you don't like their complexion? And you wonder why people think you arrogant? <hr></blockquote>
You brought it up, not me. And we have overthrown governments for much more reason than "complexion" as you put it.
[QUOTEAs appalling as your government is, it's still been elected by consensus (almost, anyways) I wouldn't really have the right. But as long as it's Africans or South Americans, fück 'em, right? What, precisely, was the 'reason?'
The reason doesn't matter. You had no right. Finish.
Well, we did it anyway. And your goverment probably helped, being that we have such a "special relationship", so get of that high horse for a moment. We had the right because we are the world's police, whether we want to be or not. It is our responsibility.
[quote]You tell me. Your blocade's thirty years old, illegal, and it can't be much fun living there. <hr></blockquote>
It's not a real blockade...it is a trade embargo. That's different. We did actually blockade it once, but that was to prevent more nuclear missles from arriving in '68. Not the same thing. We can choose to trade with whoever we want to. And, right now we don't want to trade with a nation that is so closed, it makes China look like a free- for-all.
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