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The second biggest and most valuable company in the world is just a small potatoes company?

I guess...

Well. What ever makes you feel better about yourself and your opinion.

I don't have the stats in front of me, but Apple is certainly a smaller company than Microsoft, a rival software developer. I think they are not as big as Sony or Samsung, rival hardware companies.

No matter how you slice it, Apple has issues executing and instead of making excuses for them, they need to fix them. They had to call a freaking press conference to explain to the world that their iOS4 software wasn't drawing bars correctly for three years and to give free cases for...well, you know.

Now they want to sell iPhones to the bootleg capital of the planet and they run out of phones on the first day?
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Consumer Reports must be furious.

Give them time...they'll flip-flop

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Anyway... this looks to be Apple's year in China. After a slow start customers are really warming up to Apple's sense of aesthetics and world-class tech. I'd love to hear more from Apple/iPhone fans in China (besides Hong Kong).

Talking about Hong Kong, iPhones have already flooded the city.
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Talking about Hong Kong, iPhones have already flooded the city.

Yes, that's why I'd like to hear from beyond Hong Kong... They are different.

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I think some investigation would be in line for this report. Given all the odd limitations the Chinese government has thrown at Apple (and other suppliers), this is not unexpected. However, the fact that Apple is willing to address those issues and continue to see China as a singular opportunity, places the US markets as a strong potential second-place market once Apple get established there. Between India and China, the US market and in particular the Verizon part of the market hardly registers. If memory serves me correctly, CDMA in either of these markets is an order of magnitude bigger than Verizon.
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just type in 'Chinese iPhone knockoff' into Google ... you'll get a hefty return of stories. But if this site allows links, I'll put in just one of the stories:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-9...r-apple-2009-8

Hope this helps

...none of those articles talk about how mind-bogglingly awesome those devices are compared to the original, as you averred earlier. Perhaps you have something a little bit more in the way of supporting your commentary?
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... start getting some intelligence? I had a good laugh at that one. Trust me, I have enough to banter with the likes of you.

My comment was merely to point out that it's sad China has 1.3 billion peeps, yet struggle to fill even 200,000 orders. I was pointing out 200,000 orders seem low, when the phone has just hit the market. They should have had much more orders, but didn't because there have been black market knockoffs for years. Honestly, I think you did not understand the angle I was spinning the story.

Additionally, my post was about my OPINION, so just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean I lack intelligence.

Oh and here is a link to just one of the knock-offs out there. There are more http://www.businessinsider.com/the-9...r-apple-2009-8

in reference to knowledge of the actual China population, not, you know, smarts, or the ability to reason. For example:

Household income and expenditure

Average household size (2005) 3.1; rural households 3.3; urban households 3.0.

Average annual per capita disposable income of household (2005): rural households Y 3,255 (U.S.$397), urban households Y 10,493 (U.S.$1,281).

Sources of income (2003): rural households income from household businesses 75.7%, wages 19.1%, transfers 3.7%, other 1.5%; urban households wages 70.7%, transfers 23.3%, business income 4.5%, other 1.5%.

Expenditure: rural (urban) households food 45.6% (37.1%), housing 15.9% (10.7%), education and recreation 12.1% (14.4%), transportation and communications 8.4% (11.1%), clothing 5.7% (9.8%), medicine and medical service 6.0% (7.1%), household furnishings 4.2% (6.3%).

Employment

Population economically active (2003): total 760,800,000.

Activity rate of total population 58.9% (participation rates: over age 15 [2001] 77.7%; female [2001] 37.8%; registered unemployed in urban areas [December 2004] 4.2%).

Urban employed workforce (2001): 239,400,000; by sector: state enterprises 76,400,000, collectives 28,130,000, self-employment or privately run enterprises 134,870,000.

Rural employed workforce: 490,850,000.
post #48 of 79
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Here in Canada unless you're a kid that doesn't have any financial responsibilities you can't afford to camp out a day in advance in front of an Apple store or Rogers dealer location with the hope that maybe you'll get your hands on an iPhone 4. I've spent several months calling dealers and Apple as well as gas and parking fees driving around the city trying to buy two iPhone 4 16 GB to give as gifts to my parents. Everywhere I get the same response "Suggest you line up outside the store early as possible as most people line up at 2 AM".


Most of the SMART shoppers will do what my daughter did. Go to the local dealer (Simply Computing, in our case) leave a deposit and they will notify you when your phone comes in .... or, you can do what you prefer .... go on an internet site and whine and bitch .... really!
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post #49 of 79
Removed Blackintosh post from my reply. Added to ignore list.

I forgot most competing products are superior to Apple's and that is why Apple is doing so poorly.


Apple's customer satisfaction ratings, profits, sales etc. etc... are all up, contrary to the economy and the wast majority of their competition. Your opinion is contrary to the vast majority, but then again trolls specialize in that, so nothing has changed. Please don't reply by playing the Android versus iOS card unless your willing to compare each manufacturer on a 1 to 1 basis with Apple, not all of them combined versus Apple.

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post #50 of 79
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My comment was merely to point out that it's sad China has 1.3 billion peeps, yet struggle to fill even 200,000 orders. I was pointing out 200,000 orders seem low, when the phone has just hit the market. They should have had much more orders, but didn't because there have been black market knockoffs for years.

I don't think a device that looks vaguely similar to the iPhone, not running iOS or matching the hardware of the iPhone 4, is going to hurt Apple much in China. People who go out and buy something so inferior just because it looks like an iPhone were not going to be Apple customers anyway. They are black/grey market customers. This is a reality for any company that wants to sell a premium product in China.

It's kind of like the piracy argument of lost sales -- not everyone who downloads your movie would have bought it so counting it as lost sales is misleading. Your example pushes it to even a further extreme because it would be akin to buying a bootleg copy of a movie, getting it home, and when you watch it's just some guys in their garage poorly acting out the movie. Counterfeiting only becomes a major problem for higher cost items when the black/grey market equivalent is of very good quality. Otherwise it's just a waste of money.

I won't even bother going into the fact that the actual market for the iPhone in China isn't equal to the population of the country due to income disparity. It's like saying the market for a $90,000 sports car in the US is 300 million potential customers. It is not.
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All, A thread about the iPhone 4 is not the place to bitch and moan about an alleged troll. I have therefore deleted several posts from this thread.

Not everyone thinks the sun shines out of Apple's/SJ's bottom. Deal with it. If someone does post something that's factually incorrect, you should respond thus:

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Plus all his stupid aliases

Blackintosh doesn't have any aliases here.

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I don't have the stats in front of me, but Apple is certainly a smaller company than Microsoft, a rival software developer. I think they are not as big as Sony or Samsung, rival hardware companies.

How are you measuring size here? Revenues? Employees? If it's by market valuation, you appear not to appreciate that given Apple is the second biggest company in the world, it is impossible for them to be smaller than 3 other companies. The one company they are smaller than is Exxon-Mobil. Having said that, they did only just pass a Chinese company (forget the name) to take their second place, so could easily drop back down to 3rd as markets fluctuate.
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post #52 of 79
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No it's not. Apple has shown repeatedly that it is not ready to compete with other hardware and software companies. They have done very well as a niche market, but now thanks to the iPhone, they are main stream. How are they doing?

Well, let's see. Millions on antenna technology which resulted in... well, you know.
Crippled iTunes 10 that cant rip a cd or play a song.
Months to fix hobbled iPhone 3G
Proximity sensor that was fine three years ago that took months to fix on iphone 4.
Apple TV that only has deals with two content providers.
iPad that has no magazine subscription plan in place months after delivery.
Computers with cracked displays and yellow monitors

Need more?

Hmm... It's a better antenna, just a trade-off of touching the "spot". It's a niggle for me. But I can't go back to a 3GS. Not after iPhone 4.
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Yeah, it took a while for the iPhone 3G, but's it's passable now.
Proximity, well, it's fixed. Just in time for when I got my iPhone 4 last Friday.
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Apparently manufacturing is 110% absolutely perfect?

Apple is not perfect, but whether or not it is niche or competes or is mainstream or whatever, the world demands the "flawed" iPhone4 and "crippled" iPad. Most important is that we stay realistic, continue to give feedback and suggestions, they'll listen in the end.

And, for things that Apple can't provide enough of, hopefully many other companies will step up to the plate. Diversity is good.
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Okay, I normally read articles here, but rarely have felt the need to comment. Yes, I created an account just to chime in on this particular thread. I'm not going to get into the whole Apple good or bad.. just going to talk about my actual use of the iPhone 4 IN China.

I got my iPhone4 on launch day (actually 1 day before, thanks to FedEx) in the USA and fortunately for me haven't been plagued consistently with any sort of signal attenuation/death grip drama, yellow or green tint issues or even proximity sensor problems. One advantage of an early model is the fact that you get to take advantage of any early exploits and so I "dev-team unlocked" my iPhone, so I could use my new phone while overseas. I got sent to Taipei then Beijing then Shanghai, over the last two months of August and September 2010, and have first hand experience with using the iPhone 4, all before its official launches in Taiwan and China.

My experience in China was actually quite amazing, despite my assumption that service in China would be worse. I went with China Unicom, as China Mobile isn't GSM/frequency compatible with the iPhone 4. I got one of their pre-paid 2GB/month data plans with minimal minutes, as phone calls weren't an issue, but on-demand data was critical to both work and personal life. I had to cut their SIM down, as they didn't have micro SIMs at the time. I'm sure this has changed with an official launch of the iPad and iPhone 4. Everywhere I went... and I mean in core Beijing and even to the countryside to touristy spots I had pretty much full bars to no less than two, but full data speeds and no dropped calls or dropped data! The true testament to use in China was when I took a 4 hours HSR (high speed rail/bullet) train from Beijing to Tai Shan (popular tourist mountain), traveling up to 137mph/220kmph and was able to maintain a good continuous, relatively clear/non-pixelated 30-min FaceTime phone call over 3G (not wi-fi) to my wife and kids in Los Angeles! I was stunned.. as I know I'd be hard pressed to get that same level of service on AT&T where I live, which I've had to supplement at home with one of the micro-cell units. The phone even had reception up at the top of the Tai Shan summit 1500+ meters above sea level (tho I think they cheated and stuck a cell tower up there somewhere). The main point is no deathgrip issues, no poor call or data issues in and around Beijing or Shanghai, probably because the government can erect towers anywhere and anytime they see fit. It may be different if you head out to the fringe-lands, but then again if there is no cell signal out there.. phone/data services are probably the least of your concerns.

So, I'm sure the native residents will be quite happy with the quality of data services, not sure about the pricing or the adoption rate of the data plans, especially considering how they are also paying nearly full price for their actual handsets. I know travelers to China with unlocked iPhones will not be disappointed with the quality of the cell services, however the Great Firewall filtering Facebook/MySpace/Youtube/Twitter/etc... that's a whole different story and Wi-Fi access plus VPN IS a necessity! VPN over 3G just doesn't happen as China Unicom, at least from my attempts at using the combo, seem to block it.


As just a short and sweet aside, Taiwan's Chunghwa cell/data service is fast, unfiltered and signal is pretty decent, but does drop out to "No Service" quite frequently on their HSR from their Taipei to Kaohsiung, so no accolades here.

Oh, I've seen and handled their copy-cat fake iPhone 4 and iPad in person and they are total obvious knock-offs. They might fool someone from a distance, but once you hold it, totally obvious. The fake iPhone 4 is thicker, plasticky feeling and the OS is choppy and a poor substitute. The knock-off is for people who buy a fake unit to give the impression of owning an iPhone 4. It's like buying a Ferrari body kit for your Toyota MR2. The iPad fake is similar with plastic body, but oddly the frame size of the fake is smaller with a screen size closer to 7-8", which made me think at the time of its relevance to the rumors of a real iPad with a 7" screen. The fakes are poor substitutes for the real thing, but prior to the official Apple launches, I think many local residents may have been fooled into thinking those were the real things.
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in reference to knowledge of the actual China population, not, you know, smarts, or the ability to reason. For example:

Household income and expenditure

Average household size (2005) 3.1; rural households 3.3; urban households 3.0.

Average annual per capita disposable income of household (2005): rural households Y 3,255 (U.S.$397), urban households Y 10,493 (U.S.$1,281).

Sources of income (2003): rural households income from household businesses 75.7%, wages 19.1%, transfers 3.7%, other 1.5%; urban households wages 70.7%, transfers 23.3%, business income 4.5%, other 1.5%.

Expenditure: rural (urban) households food 45.6% (37.1%), housing 15.9% (10.7%), education and recreation 12.1% (14.4%), transportation and communications 8.4% (11.1%), clothing 5.7% (9.8%), medicine and medical service 6.0% (7.1%), household furnishings 4.2% (6.3%).

Employment

Population economically active (2003): total 760,800,000.

Activity rate of total population 58.9% (participation rates: over age 15 [2001] 77.7%; female [2001] 37.8%; registered unemployed in urban areas [December 2004] 4.2%).

Urban employed workforce (2001): 239,400,000; by sector: state enterprises 76,400,000, collectives 28,130,000, self-employment or privately run enterprises 134,870,000.

Rural employed workforce: 490,850,000.

Ok so you cut and pasted some Wikipedia information into your post about China ... ok, now what? Does this change my OPINION that the black market has eroded legit sales of the iPhone, well, no.

Maybe you should spend some time on Wikipedia or maybe even Webster and look up the information of an opinion (I'll give you a hint and say emotion is part of the equation).

This is definitely my last post on the issue. Since I'm new to posting on AI, hopefully I won't have you trolling on me every time I post.
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Ok so you cut and pasted some Wikipedia information into your post about China ... ok, now what? Does this change my OPINION that the black market has eroded legit sales of the iPhone, well, no.

Maybe you should spend some time on Wikipedia or maybe even Webster and look up the information of an opinion (I'll give you a hint and say emotion is part of the equation).

This is definitely my last post on the issue. Since I'm new to posting on AI, hopefully I won't have you trolling on me every time I post.

Note that you made no credible argument as to why 200,000 sales of the iPhone 4 is so small as to be pathetic for Apple. You used conjecture without a single shred of evidence to say the black market is the reason why the percentages per capita are so low.

LewysBlackmore, on the other hand supplied actual data to show that the bulk of China’s residence couldn’t afford any smartphone, much less an iPhone 4, if they wanted one.

You can have an opinion, but state it as such. If you want your opinion to seem credible try backing it up with a valid argument. And when another posters disagrees with your opinion and try to counter with a better argument, don’t attack them for actual backing their hypothesis with data.
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I have been trolling here for a bit (ahem, 6 months), but have not started to blog until recently as my low numbers would suggest.

Annnnnd, you just blew any slim chance you had of looking knowledgeable completely out of the water by badly misusing two terms. You may be trolling now, although what you meant to write was "lurk." Google "Internet troll" to find out what trolling really means. And you are most assuredly not the author of an online weblog here.
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I just love the way Apple plows through the misconceptions in these forums.

Thank goodness for actual sales.
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Okay, I normally read articles here, but rarely have felt the need to comment. ....

Thank you for the excellent post and 'real' information.
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Ok so you cut and pasted some Wikipedia information into your post about China ... ok, now what? Does this change my OPINION that the black market has eroded legit sales of the iPhone, well, no.

Maybe you should spend some time on Wikipedia or maybe even Webster and look up the information of an opinion (I'll give you a hint and say emotion is part of the equation).

This is definitely my last post on the issue. Since I'm new to posting on AI, hopefully I won't have you trolling on me every time I post.

Way to go ... how to make friends and influence people. Not!
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post #61 of 79
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Okay, I normally read articles here, but rarely have felt the need to comment. Yes, I created an account just to chime in on this particular thread. I'm not going to get into the whole Apple good or bad.. just going to talk about my actual use of the iPhone 4 IN China.

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My experience in China was actually quite amazing, despite my assumption that service in China would be worse.

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So, I'm sure the native residents will be quite happy with the quality of data services ...

Thanks for the interesting post. It should be noted, however, that the quality of service you experienced was on a lightly loaded system. It might deteriorate if they get millions of smartphone users on it.
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Oh, I've seen and handled their copy-cat fake iPhone 4 and iPad in person and they are total obvious knock-offs. They might fool someone from a distance, but once you hold it, totally obvious. The fake iPhone 4 is thicker, plasticky feeling and the OS is choppy and a poor substitute. The knock-off is for people who buy a fake unit to give the impression of owning an iPhone 4. It's like buying a Ferrari body kit for your Toyota MR2. The iPad fake is similar with plastic body, but oddly the frame size of the fake is smaller with a screen size closer to 7-8", which made me think at the time of its relevance to the rumors of a real iPad with a 7" screen. The fakes are poor substitutes for the real thing, but prior to the official Apple launches, I think many local residents may have been fooled into thinking those were the real things.

We travel to China quite often. And what you say about the iPhone knock-offs, like virtually every other tech copy, is very true.

However, and maybe it is the crowd we travel in, i.e., university, computer science/medicine arenas, I haven't witnessed many, if any, local residents purchasing knock-offs. If anything, it is the foreign visitors that get hooked.

I couldn't believe seeing how many people in business class out of Beijing bragging about the 100 GB USB keys they bought for $5 at the Hong Qiao Pearl Market. Of course most were first timers and they weren't Chinese.
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Thanks for the interesting post. It should be noted, however, that the quality of service you experienced was on a lightly loaded system. It might deteriorate if they get millions of smartphone users on it.

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Okay, I normally read articles here, but rarely have felt the need to comment. Yes, I created an account just to chime in on this particular thread. I'm not going to get into the whole Apple good or bad.. just going to talk about my actual use of the iPhone 4 IN China.

Thank you for a post filled with actual facts and experiences, vice the speculation, opinion, and (occasionally) flat out BS that we see here daily.

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Thanks for the interesting post. It should be noted, however, that the quality of service you experienced was on a lightly loaded system. It might deteriorate if they get millions of smartphone users on it.

Given China's population and the number of subscribers that the networks over there are carrying, I doubt that you could characterize their systems as "lightly loaded". Yes, I realize that they would be (and will eventually be) even more heavily loaded when the fraction of smartphone users increases, as it surely will. But under the current circumstances, my hunch is that the network over there is carrying just as many bits (if not more) as AT&T is over here. So I am impressed by the other poster's testimony. Truly, you are correct to point out that the system will eventually get even more loaded as the fraction of smart phone use increases. But the other poster addressed that concern as well: apparently, the service providers can more rapidly expand capacity over there... and they probably will if needed.

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That's not going to hold up a Verizon/CDMA iPhone. Verizon will hold up a Verizon iPhone, if anyone. Besides, the reported 3-4 million CDMA iPhones available in early 2011 won't be enough for Verizon, anyway. Fortunately, plenty of other CDMA carriers exist that could get those iPhones, including China Telecom, which is owned by the Chinese government.

Given the comments of Verizon's CEO and their entire history do you really think Verizon will be getting any iPhones? Verizon is the poster boy of the carrier as potentate over all. Both Apple and Verizon have stood firm in their respective positions for several years with all that unrealized revenue just sitting there. Apple and anyone who cares to notice can see how Verizon is in the process of eviscerating Google by using the open nature of Android against both Google and Verizon's customers.

I'm certain Jobs is at least as stubborn as Seidenberg and will insist on Apple's control of the user experience before Verizon gets a whiff of the iPhone. At this point I think everyone BUT Verizon will get the iPhone if there is a CDMA handset ready to launch. This whole process began with Apple splitting off AT&T from the other carriers and can only finish when Verizon is consigned to its proper role as a dumb pipe.
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To get back on topic. 200,000 pre-orders is very good indeed. It is not sales. Sales look like they could be, at the very least, a million this Q given that level of interest.

How many people in China can afford an iPhone? I would say about 100M. Hard to get precise figures

I get this on wikipedia

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China's outbound tourists reached 20.22 million in 2003, overtaking Japan for the first time.

And thats 7 years ago, the economy is growing at more than 10% a year, so it has doubled since. Not all people who can afford to travel abroad do so, so the number must be a fraction of those who can travel for a week, or so. Which would cost about the price of an iPhone, or more. Depending on where they go, and for how long.
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Most of the SMART shoppers will do what my daughter did. Go to the local dealer (Simply Computing, in our case) leave a deposit and they will notify you when your phone comes in .... or, you can do what you prefer .... go on an internet site and whine and bitch .... really!

Wow...that's an intellegent response Rogers has instructed their authorized resellers not to take waiting lists or security deposits on iPhone 4 orders. Call Rogers Customer Care to hear reps state they had an increase in customers complaining of dealers taking their so called iPhone 4 deposit only to be told later by the store Manager that they have to refund the customer since they are not allowed to take deposits on orders. Possibly due to not wanting to lose their license from the carrier to sell their services. Everywhere I've been and called in the GVA (Greater Vancouver Area) stated they don't take security deposits and don't have waiting lists. It's first come first served. Irregardless I'm not blaming Rogers here but actually my gripe is with Apple who could have learned from previous years when they sold the iPhone to several countries. As it stands Foxconn wasn't able to meet global demand so Apple shouldn't of continued to expand their iPhone client base to include China, Turkey, Philippines and Russia until they had sufficient stock. It's like a produce seller continually taking in new clients even though he's fully aware he doesn't have enough produce to ship to existing clients. It's neither the right thing to do and not good for business.
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Originally Posted by Imagine Engine View Post

Wow...that's an intellegent response Rogers has instructed their authorized resellers not to take waiting lists or security deposits on iPhone 4 orders. Call Rogers Customer Care to hear reps state they had an increase in customers complaining of dealers taking their so called iPhone 4 deposit only to be told later by the store Manager that they have to refund the customer since they are not allowed to take deposits on orders. Possibly due to not wanting to lose their license from the carrier to sell their services. Everywhere I've been and called in the GVA (Greater Vancouver Area) stated they don't take security deposits and don't have waiting lists. It's first come first served. Irregardless I'm not blaming Rogers here but actually my gripe is with Apple who could have learned from previous years when they sold the iPhone to several countries. As it stands Foxconn wasn't able to meet global demand so Apple shouldn't of continued to expand their iPhone client base to include China, Turkey, Philippines and Russia until they had sufficient stock. It's like a produce seller continually taking in new clients even though he's fully aware he doesn't have enough produce to ship to existing clients. It's neither the right thing to do and not good for business.

Sorry but if companies used your logic we would have nothing but mediocre (at best) products available. The great products would never get released much beyond their initial market. Too slow of a product rollout would allow competitors to come in with inferior product and try to eat Apples lunch before Apple even finishes setting the table.

If Apple had used your premise,.you would be complaining that you couldn't buy one because Apple wasn't authorizing markets fast enough. Bottom line, you still wouldn't have an iPhone 4.

I agree that it may be a pain trying to buy one but you already said what it would take to get one. Either suck it up and get it done somehow or move on. No one cares much and no one wants to hear you complain. No matter how loud you scream or how much you complain, it won't make an iPhone come to you, you still have to go buy it or something else. Welcome to the world as it is.

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Originally Posted by Imagine Engine View Post

Everywhere I've been and called in the GVA (Greater Vancouver Area) stated they don't take security deposits and don't have waiting lists. It's first come first served.

I'm in the GVA as well and I did mentioned that "Simply Computing" was the retailer offering the "deposit waiting list" scenario. They have at least 3 outlets and afaik all stores offer the same. I know it's a problem but that sometimes come with success. I read somewhere that production is being ramped up as fast as they can do it, so maybe it won't be a problem much longer. Good Luck.
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post #72 of 79
So let's get this straight, Apple presently sells over 100,000 phones a day, they know they are having the introduction of the Iphone in the biggest mobile phone market in the world, most of the phones sold the first day were pre-orders so they knew about them in advance, yet they couldn't come up with 200,000 phones? This stinks like a setup to me. This was an obviously created situation to make it seem as though there is a huge demand that is outstripping supply. Consider that in the first week of sales in the US Apple sold millions of Iphones, so how could it be that months later Apple can't produce a couple of hundred thousand phones?

To those who aren't fallowing me: Apple consciously withheld phones to create the illusion of demand outstripping supply, and hopefully make the Iphone seem more desirable.
post #73 of 79
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Originally Posted by captbilly;

So let's get this straight, Apple presently sells over 100,000 phones a day, they know they are having the introduction of the Iphone in the biggest mobile phone market in the world, most of the phones sold the first day were pre-orders so they knew about them in advance, yet they couldn't come up with 200,000 phones? This stinks like a setup to me. This was an obviously created situation to make it seem as though there is a huge demand that is outstripping supply. Consider that in the first week of sales in the US Apple sold millions of Iphones, so how could it be that months later Apple can't produce a couple of hundred thousand phones?

To those who aren't fallowing me: Apple consciously withheld phones to create the illusion of demand outstripping supply, and hopefully make the Iphone seem more desirable.

Maybe. But at the end if the day Apple wants to sell as many phones as they can make. So either the phones being made are stockpiled somewhere for a few weeks or months, or their *stock allocation and supply* to or in preparation for 80 countries was not that great.

Keep in mind one thing though, launch days are extremely chaotic. They launched in at least 3 other countries besides China on the 24th. Throw the phone carriers into the mix, and it's madness.

But it can be certainly extremely frustrating.
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Consider that in the first week of sales in the US Apple sold millions of Iphones, so how could it be that months later Apple can't produce a couple of hundred thousand phones?

To those who aren't fallowing me: Apple consciously withheld phones to create the illusion of demand outstripping supply, and hopefully make the Iphone seem more desirable.

1. Worldwide demand has been outstripping supply for months, now. It's not just in China.

2. At launch, Apple had months to produce a bumper crop of millions of iPhones. Actually, Apple could have sold more iPhones in the first days than they did. AT&T sold 1.7 million in the first day, but some estimates say that 2.5 million could have been sold if there were enough in the US. So even in the beginning, there were supply issues. This supply was exhausted quickly, and after that, you have to produce as many as you can in real time. Usually, a company can't ramp up production to a few million devices per week, from a few million in a month or two. Apple's no exception. They are not withholding phones in some secret warehouse.
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In a statement Sunday, China Unicom said it had sold 60,000 (Google Translation) units on the first day of availability after receiving over 200,000 preorders.




Just a reminder: during the first weekend, following Jun 24th 2010, 5 nations (U.S., U.K., Japan, France and Germany) of combined population, being somewhat around 700,000,000 (China has nearly twice as many), bought 1.7 million iPhones.

And after all that we were left by Apple out of stock for weeks and months. And some are still waiting CIF for the white iPhone 4...

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post #76 of 79
BBC/ etc are reporting 200,000 iPhones sold in China over the past several days. And people are on waiting lists for it to be fulfilled "at the end of October"... I'm sure the media (or me) may not get all the details right, but, well, there ya go.
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BBC/ etc are reporting 200,000 iPhones sold in China over the past several days. And people are on waiting lists for it to be fulfilled "at the end of October"... I'm sure the media (or me) may not get all the details right, but, well, there ya go.

I have to assume that Apple was selling at least 100k per day in the rest of the world.

Hey, this was right before the end of the quarter. Time to recalculate the iPhone and iPad sales figures.
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I have to assume that Apple was selling at least 100k per day in the rest of the world.

Hey, this was right before the end of the quarter. Time to recalculate the iPhone and iPad sales figures.

The latest AppleInsider article says, in China, a 100,000 pre-orders fulfilled, another 100,000 pre-orders only fulfilled at the end of October.

Apple has got to be making between 4 to 5 million iPhones a month by now.

I think July-Sep 2010 quarter will show about 13-15 million iPhones (including 3GS), 8-10 million iPads.

Whatever the figures are, it won't be as great as the Oct-Dec 2010 quarter, Apple has gotta have been stockpiling iPhones and iPads for a lot more global launches to do.

This iPhone and iPad thing is a beast!
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No it's not. Apple has shown repeatedly that it is not ready to compete with other hardware and software companies. They have done very well as a niche market, but now thanks to the iPhone, they are main stream. How are they doing?

Well, let's see. Millions on antenna technology which resulted in... well, you know.
Crippled iTunes 10 that cant rip a cd or play a song.
Months to fix hobbled iPhone 3G
Proximity sensor that was fine three years ago that took months to fix on iphone 4.
Apple TV that only has deals with two content providers.
iPad that has no magazine subscription plan in place months after delivery.
Computers with cracked displays and yellow monitors

Need more?

Well, Apple will be delivering a heck of a lot more quantity of Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads. They are mainstream now. As for the quality? Well, that's a whole 'nother intense debate.
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