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60 Completely Outrageous Ways The U.S. Government Is Wasting Money

 

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Is there anyone better at wasting money then the U.S. government?  Despite the sequester and all of the talk about “deep cutbacks”, the federal government continues to waste money in some of the most outrageous ways imaginable.  For example, does the U.S. government really have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to study the size and shape of the reproductive organs of ducks?  Does the U.S. government really have to spend 1.5 million dollars to study why so many lesbians are overweight?  There is so much waste that could still be cut out of the federal budget, and yet the very small sequester cuts that just happened are being described as “catastrophic” by many of our politicians.  But you know what?  The federal government will still spend more money in fiscal year 2013 than it did in fiscal year 2012 even after the sequester cuts are factored in.  So if this is how much whining our politicians will do even though government spending is still going up, what would they do if we were actually forced to start living within our means at some point?  That is something to think about.  In any event, please show this article to anyone that believes that the U.S. government is actually “tightening the belt”.  Sadly, the truth is that the federal government is still wasting our money in some of the most frivolous ways that you could possibly imagine.

 

The following are some of the completely outrageous ways that the U.S. government is wasting money…

 

#1 The National Science Foundation has given $384,949 to Yale University to do a study on “Sexual Conflict, Social Behavior and the Evolution of Waterfowl Genitalia”.  Try not to laugh, but much of this research involves examining and measuring the reproductive organs of male ducks.

 

#2 The IRS spent $60,000 on a film parody of “Star Trek” and a film parody of “Gilligan’s Island”.  Internal Revenue Service employees were the actors in the two parodies, so as you can imagine the acting was really bad.

 

#3 The National Institutes of Health has given $1.5 million to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts to study why “three-quarters” of lesbians in the United States are overweight and why most gay males are not.

 

#4 The National Institutes of Health has also spent $2.7 million to study why lesbians have more “vulnerability to hazardous drinking”.

 

#5 The U.S. government is giving sixteen F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt even though the new president of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi (a member of the Muslim Brotherhood), constantly makes statements such as the following

“Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them”

 

#6 During 2012, the salaries of Barack Obama’s three climate change advisers combined came to a grand total of more than $370,000.

 

#7 Overall, 139 different White House staffers were making at least $100,000during 2012, and there were 20 staffers that made the maximum of $172,200.

 

#8 Amazingly, U.S. taxpayers spend more than 1.4 billion dollars a year on the Obamas.  Meanwhile, British taxpayers only spend about  58 million dollars on the entire royal family.

 

#9 During 2012, $25,000 of federal money was spent on a promotional tour for the Alabama Watermelon Queen.

 

#10 The U.S. government spent $505,000 “to promote specialty hair and beauty products for cats and dogs” in 2012.

 

#11 NASA spends close to a million dollars a year developing a menu of food for a manned mission to Mars even though it is being projected that a manned mission to Mars is still decades away.

 

#12 During 2012, the federal government spent 15 million dollars to help Russian weapons institutes recruit nuclear scientists.

 

#13 Over the past 15 years, a total of approximately $5.25 million has been spent on hair care services for the U.S. Senate.

 

#14 The U.S. government spent 27 million dollars to teach Moroccans how to design and make pottery in 2012.

 

#15 At a time when we have an epidemic of unemployment in the United States, the U.S. Department of Education is spending $1.3 million to “reduce linguistic, academic, and employment barriers for skilled and low-skilled immigrants and refugees, and to integrate them into the U.S. workforce and professions.”

 

#16 The federal government still sends about 20 million dollars a year to the surviving family members of veterans of World War I, even though World War I ended 94 years ago.

 

#17 The U.S. government is spending approximately 3.6 million dollars a year to support the lavish lifestyles of former presidents such as George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

 

#18 During fiscal 2012, the National Science Foundation gave researchers at Purdue University $350,000.  They used part of that money to help fund a study that discovered that if golfers imagine that a hole is bigger it will help them with their putting.

 

#19 The U.S. government is giving hundreds of millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority every year.

 

#20 Federal agencies have purchased a total of approximately 2 billion rounds of ammunition over the past 10 months.  It is claimed that all of this ammunition is needed for “training purposes”.

 

#21 During 2012, the National Science Foundation spent $516,000 on the creation of a video game called “Prom Week” which apparently simulates “all the social interactions of the event.

 

#22 If you can believe it, $10,000 of U.S. taxpayer money was actually used to purchase talking urinal cakes up in Michigan.

 

#23 When Joe Biden and his staff took a trip to London back in February, the hotel bill cost U.S. taxpayers $459,388.65.

 

#24 Joe Biden and his staff also stopped in Paris for one night back in February.  The hotel bill for that one night came to $585,000.50.

 

#25 If you can believe it, close to 15,000 retired federal employees are currently collecting federal pensions for life worth at least $100,000 annually.  That list includes such names as Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Trent Lott, Dick Gephardt and Dick Cheney.

 

#26 The U.S. Department of Agriculture has spent $300,000 to encourage Americans to eat caviar.

 

#27 The National Institutes of Health recently gave $666,905 to a group of researchers that is conducting a study on the benefits of watching reruns on television.

 

#28 The National Science Foundation has given 1.2 million dollars to a team of “scientists” that is spending part of that money on a study that is seeking to determine whether elderly Americans would benefit from playing World of Warcraft or not.

 

#29 The National Institutes of Health recently gave $548,731 to a team of researchers that concluded that those that drink heavily in their thirties also tend to feel more immature.

 

#30 The National Science Foundation recently spent $30,000 on a study to determine if “gaydar” actually exists.  This is the conclusion that the researchers reached at the end of the study….

“Gaydar is indeed real and… its accuracy is driven by sensitivity to individual facial features”

 

Here are 30 more examples of outrageous government waste from one of my previous articles entitled “Chimps Throwing Poop And 29 Other Mind Blowing Ways That The Government Is Wasting Your Money“…

 

#1 In 2011, the National Institutes of Health spent $592,527 on a study that sought to figure out once and for all why chimpanzees throw poop.

 

#2 The National Institutes of Health has spent more than 5 million dollars on a website called Sexpulse that is targeted at “men who use the Internet to seek sex with men”.  According to Fox News, the website “includes pornographic images of homosexual sex as well as naked and scantily clad men” and features “a Space Invaders-style interactive game that uses a penis-shaped blaster to shoot down gay epithets.”

 

#3 The General Services Administration spent $822,751 on a “training conference” for 300 west coast employees at the M Resort and Casino in Las Vegas.

The following is how the Washington Post described some of the wasteful expenses that happened during this “conference”…

 

Among the “excessive, wasteful and in some cases impermissable” spending the inspector general documented: $5,600 for three semi-private catered in-room parties and $44 per person daily breakfasts; $75,000 for a “team-building” exercise — the goal was to build a bicycle; $146,000 on catered food and drinks; and $6,325 on commemorative coins in velvet boxes to reward all participants for their work on stimulus projects. The $31,208 “networking” reception featured a $19-per-person artisanal cheese display and $7,000 of sushi. At the conference’s closing-night dinner, employees received “yearbooks” with their pictures, at a cost of $8,130.

 

You can see some stunning pictures of GSA employees living the high life in Las Vegas right here.

 

#4 Do you remember when credit rating agency Egan Jones downgraded U.S. government debt from AA+ to AA?  Well, someone in the federal government apparently did not like that at all.  According to Zero Hedge, the SEC plans to file charges against Egan Jones for “misstatements” on a regulatory application with the SEC.

 

Normally, the SEC does not go after anyone.  After all, when is the last time a major banker went to prison?

 

No, the truth is that the SEC is usually just a huge waste of taxpayer money.  According to ABC News, one investigation found that 17 senior SEC officials had been regularly viewing pornography while at work.  While the American people were paying their salaries, this is what senior SEC officials were busy doing…

 

One senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington spent up to eight hours a day accessing Internet porn, according to the report, which has yet to be released. When he filled all the space on his government computer with pornographic images, he downloaded more to CDs and DVDs that accumulated in boxes in his offices.

 

An SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1,800 times in a two-week period and had 600 pornographic images on her computer hard drive.

 

Another SEC accountant used his SEC-issued computer to upload his own sexually explicit videos onto porn websites he joined.

 

And another SEC accountant attempted to access porn sites 16,000 times in a single month.

 

#5 According to InformationWeek, the federal government is spending “millions of dollars” to train Asian call center workers.

 

#6 If you can believe it, the federal government has actually spent $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.

 

#7 The U.S. Agency for International Development spent 10 million dollars to create a version of “Sesame Street” for Pakistani television.

 

#8 The Obama administration has plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars to help students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

 

#9 The National Science Foundation spent $198,000 on a University of California-Riverside study that explored “motivations, expectations and goal pursuit in social media.” One of the questions the study sought an answer to was the following: “Do unhappy people spend more time on Twitter or Facebook?”

 

#10 The federal government actually has spent $175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”.

 

#11 In 2011, $147,138 was given to the American Museum of Magic in Marshall, Michigan.  Their best magic trick is making U.S. taxpayer dollars disappear.

 

#12 The federal government recently spent $74,000 to help Michigan “increase awareness about the role Michigan plays in the production of trees and poinsettias.”

 

#13 In 2011, the federal government gave $550,000 toward the making of a documentary about how rock and roll contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

#14 The National Institutes of Health has contributed $55,382 toward a study of “hookah smoking habits” in the country of Jordan.

 

#15 The federal government gave $606,000 to researchers at Columbia University to study how heterosexuals use the Internet to find love.

 

#16 A total of $133,277 was recently given to the International Center for the History of Electronic Games for video game preservation.  The International Center for the History of Electronic Games says that it “collects, studies, and interprets video games, other electronic games, and related materials and the ways in which electronic games are changing how people play, learn, and connect with each other, including across boundaries of culture and geography.”

 

#17 The federal government has given approximately $3 million to researchers at the University of California at Irvine to fund their research into video games such as World of Warcraft.

 

#18 In 2011, the National Science Foundation gave one team of researchers$149,990 to create a video game called “RapidGuppy” for cell phones and other mobile devices.

 

#19 The U.S. Department of Agriculture once handed researchers at the University of New Hampshire $700,000 to study methane gas emissions from dairy cows.

 

#20 In 2011, $936,818 was spent developing an online soap opera entitled “Diary of a Single Mom”.  The show “chronicles the lives and challenges of three single mothers and their families trying to get ahead despite obstacles that all single mothers face, such as childcare, healthcare, education, and finances.”

 

#21 The federal government once shelled out $2.6 million to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly.

 

#22 Last year, the federal government spent $96,000 to buy iPads for kindergarten students in Maine.

 

#23 The U.S. Postal Service once spent $13,500 for a single dinner at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse.

 

#24 In 2011, the Air Force Academy completed work on an outdoor worship area for pagans and Wiccans.  The worship area consists of “a small Stonehenge-like circle of boulders with [a] propane fire pit” and it cost $51,474to build.  The worship area is “for the handful of current or future cadets whose religions fall under the broad category of ‘Earth-based’, which includes Wiccans, druids and pagans.”  At this point, that only includes 3 current students at the Air Force Academy.

 

#25 The National Institutes of Health once gave researchers $400,000 to study why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

 

#26 The National Institutes of Health once gave researchers $442,340 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam.

 

#27 The National Institutes of Health once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

 

#28 The National Science Foundation recently spent $200,000 on a study that examined how voters react when politicians change their stances on climate change.

 

#29 The federal government recently spent $484,000 to help build a Mellow Mushroom pizzeria in Arlington, Texas.

 

#30 At this point, China is holding over a trillion dollars of U.S. government debt.  But that didn’t stop the United States from sending 17.8 million dollars in foreign aid to China in 2011.

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Gitmo prisoner: ‘We all died when Obama indefinitely detained us’

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“I scare myself when I look in the mirror. Let them kill us as we have nothing to lose. We died when Obama indefinitely detained us.  Respect us or kill us. It is your choice. The US must take off its mask and kill us.”

 

How many of you even knew there was a hunger strike going on in Gitmo right now?

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I strongly oppose Obama on Gitmo and I oppose Obama on drones. Now, where do the Republicans stand on those issues? Give me a differentiating issue as a reason to support another candidate. Health care would do it. Give me an opponent who supports a TRUE public healthcare option, and I will oppose Obama. Give me an opponent who supports a high tax rate (40%+) combined with a high standard deduction ($70K+), and I will oppose Obama.

 

You won't convince me to oppose Obama when the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support. Until a candidate exists who is better where it counts, I support Obama, though I will continue to voice my objection with regard to these issues.

 

The notable exception was Kucinich, who I supported against Obama at every possible chance. And there are a few more here.

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...when the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death...

 

You're a moron.

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...when the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death...

 

You're a moron.


And you're a dickhead for the selective quote out of context. But would I expect anything else?

 

Let me clarify.

 

This is what I said...

 

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

 

And this is what you said I said...

 

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

 

You big, fucking, liar. But typical.

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And you're a dickhead for the selective quote out of context. But would I expect anything else?

 

The context adds nothing that changes what you have claimed. You're a moron for claiming it or even thinking it.

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I strongly oppose Obama on Gitmo and I oppose Obama on drones. Now, where do the Republicans stand on those issues? Give me a differentiating issue as a reason to support another candidate. Health care would do it. Give me an opponent who supports a TRUE public healthcare option, and I will oppose Obama. Give me an opponent who supports a high tax rate (40%+) combined with a high standard deduction ($70K+), and I will oppose Obama.

 

You won't convince me to oppose Obama when the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support. Until a candidate exists who is better where it counts, I support Obama, though I will continue to voice my objection with regard to these issues.

 

The notable exception was Kucinich, who I supported against Obama at every possible chance. And there are a few more here.

 

You have no moral high ground to stand on, here.

 

You have to lie about those who disagree with you - claiming they all "want us to let the poor people starve to death" - to make yourself feel better about supporting a regime that detains people indefinitely or executes them without due process.

 

It's rather sad.

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I strongly oppose Obama on Gitmo and I oppose Obama on drones. Now, where do the Republicans stand on those issues? Give me a differentiating issue as a reason to support another candidate. Health care would do it. Give me an opponent who supports a TRUE public healthcare option, and I will oppose Obama. Give me an opponent who supports a high tax rate (40%+) combined with a high standard deduction ($70K+), and I will oppose Obama.

You won't convince me to oppose Obama when the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support. Until a candidate exists who is better where it counts, I support Obama, though I will continue to voice my objection with regard to these issues.

The notable exception was Kucinich, who I supported against Obama at every possible chance. And there are a few more here.

You have no moral high ground to stand on, here.

You have to lie about those who disagree with you - claiming they all "want us to let the poor people starve to death" - to make yourself feel better about supporting a regime that detains people indefinitely or executes them without due process.

It's rather sad.
Wow. The liars are rampant and in collusion.

This is what I said...

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

And this is what you said I said...

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Do you not see a difference?
Edited by tonton - 3/27/13 at 12:24pm
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Now tell me... I'm assuming Ron Paul is a candidate you support over Obama.

Does Ron Paul either:

1) Want us to let the poor people starve to death (rather than ask us to pay taxes)... Or

2) want us to depend on the goodness of the hearts of rich people to take care of the poor (predicting that they won't starve to death if we do so)?
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Wow. The liars are rampant and in collusion.

This is what I said...

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

And this is what you said I said...

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Do you not see a difference?

 

Wow. You're not even man enough to admit that you have claimed that those who have a different view of government policy than you "want us to let the poor people starve to death."

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Wow. The liars are rampant and in collusion.

This is what I said...

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

And this is what you said I said...

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Do you not see a difference?

 

You're pointing out that you presented a false dilemma, and that's supposed to somehow make your statement any less false?

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Now tell me... I'm assuming Ron Paul is a candidate you support over Obama.

Does Ron Paul either:

1) Want us to let the poor people starve to death (rather than ask us to pay taxes)... Or

2) want us to depend on the goodness of the hearts of rich people to take care of the poor (predicting that they won't starve to death if we do so)?

 

Nice loaded questions there. With a sprinkling of false choice thrown in for good measure.

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Now tell me... I'm assuming Ron Paul is a candidate you support over Obama.


Does Ron Paul either:


1) Want us to let the poor people starve to death (rather than ask us to pay taxes)... Or


2) want us to depend on the goodness of the hearts of rich people to take care of the poor (predicting that they won't starve to death if we do so)?

Nice loaded questions there. With a sprinkling of false choice thrown in for good measure.
So gives the third choice and spell it out, you moron.
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So gives the third choice and spell it out, you moron.

 

Getting a job or two for one.

 

Second, let's address your assumption that the "kindness of others" would not be sufficient to begin with.

 

Coward.

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Wow. The liars are rampant and in collusion.


This is what I said...


"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."


And this is what you said I said...


"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Do you not see a difference?

Wow. You're not even man enough to admit that you have claimed that those who have a different view of government policy than you "want us to let the poor people starve to death."
Of corse I'm enough of a(n intelligent) man to state that that's not even close to what I fucking said. Are you too unintelligent (or dishonest) to agree with me on this?
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Now tell me... I'm assuming Ron Paul is a candidate you support over Obama.

Does Ron Paul either:

1) Want us to let the poor people starve to death (rather than ask us to pay taxes)... Or

2) want us to depend on the goodness of the hearts of rich people to take care of the poor (predicting that they won't starve to death if we do so)?

 

False dilemma. We get it. You think Ron Paul and his supporters are evil and hate little children and puppies.

 

Now back to the point: no matter how you try to spin things or how much you try to demonize those with whom you disagree, the fact remains that you support a regime that indefinitely detains and assassinates people without due process.

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Of corse I'm enough of a(n intelligent) man to state that that's not even close to what I fucking said. Are you too unintelligent (or dishonest) to agree with me on this?

 

That's exactly what you fucking said. It's there for everyone to see.

 

Now you're a liar.

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Of corse I'm enough of a(n intelligent) man to state that that's not even close to what I fucking said. Are you too unintelligent (or dishonest) to agree with me on this?

That's exactly what you fucking said. It's there for everyone to see.

Now you're a liar.
My opinion of your intelligence just went down by 90%.

This is what I said...

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

And this is what you said I said...

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Keep doubling down on your stupidity by saying there's no difference.
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My opinion of your intelligence just went down by 90%.

 

Somehow, I don't think you held it in high esteem to begin with, so that's really a moot point.

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My opinion of your intelligence just went down by 90%.

Somehow, I don't think you held it in high esteem to begin with, so that's really a moot point.
Well, TBQH, MJ seemed far more intelligent than you ever did.
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Well, TBQH, MJ seemed far more intelligent than you ever did.

 

I'm devastated. Really.

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My opinion of your intelligence just went down by 90%.

This is what I said...

"the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death, or depend on the goodness of rich peoples' hearts for support."

And this is what you said I said...

"...the only candidates who share our views on Gitmo and drones also want us to let the poor people starve to death..."

Keep doubling down on your stupidity by saying there's no difference.

 

And you keep doubling-down on your denial. You have it right there.

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So is there a difference between what I actually said and what you quoted, or not?
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So is there a difference between what I actually said and what you quoted, or not?

 

There's a difference in the total quoted text yes. This is simple fact. But there's no difference in the point that you have claimed that those with whom you disagree on social policy "also want us to let the poor people starve to death".

 

Be a man and admit it.

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So is there a difference between what I actually said and what you quoted, or not?

There's a difference in the total quoted text yes. This is simple fact. But there's no difference in the point that you have claimed that those with whom you disagree on social policy "also want us to let the poor people starve to death".


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Liar. "Or" means something. It cannot simply be removed from the sentence. Ever.
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So tonton is too much of coward to stand by his rather insulting and demonizing claim about those he disagrees with and continues to dig his heels in on his denials, lies and fallacies.

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Liar. "Or" means something. It cannot simply be removed from the sentence. Ever.

 

You support a regime that indefinitely detains and assassinates people without due process.

 

You tried to justify your support for this regime by making false claims about its political opponents.

 

When called on this, you attempt to derail the conversation.

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Liar. "Or" means something. It cannot simply be removed from the sentence. Ever.

You support a regime that indefinitely detains and assassinates people without due process.

You tried to justify your support for this regime by making false claims about its political opponents.

When called on this, you attempt to derail the conversation.
Bullshit. I support a regime that supports poor people through decree. I oppose regimes that "support" poor people through wishful thinking.
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I oppose regimes that "support" poor people through wishful thinking.

 

Oh dear God the irony. And you can't even see it!

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Bullshit. I support a regime that supports poor people through decree. I oppose regimes that "support" poor people through wishful thinking.

 

You support a regime that forcibly removes property from some to give to others.

 

And you didn't deny that this regime also indefinitely detains and assassinates people without due process.

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Italian-style coffee philanthropy takes hold in Bulgaria

 

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SOFIA — Can't afford coffee? No matter. In Bulgaria, an old Italian tradition that sees good souls buying hot drinks for those who struggle to make ends meet has taken hold after weeks of tensions over deepening poverty.

More than 150 cafes across Bulgaria have joined a goodwill initiative modelled on the Italian "caffe sospeso" tradition, which literally means "suspended coffee", according to a Facebook page devoted to the movement.

The tradition -- born in the cafes of Italy's southern city of Naples -- sees people pay in advance for one or several coffees without drinking them.

A customer-in-need can then later ask if there is a "suspended coffee" available and have a hot drink without having to pay for it.

Poverty in Bulgaria -- the European Union's least wealthy country -- is increasingly sparking social unrest, with several desperate people setting themselves on fire in the past month.

Weeks of street protests also forced the right-wing government to resign on February 20.

Most cafes that decide to join the "caffe sospeso" initiative -- which has been covered extensively on television -- have posted pictures of payment slips issued for free coffees on the Facebook page.

"Super! The first 'suspended coffee' at our place is a fact," one user registered as Ethno Bar Red House said on the "Suspended Coffee in Bulgaria" page, which has so far garnered 19,011 likes.

Some cafes use a pot of small cards or bottle caps to count the number of coffees already paid for, which can later be claimed.

Apart from cafes, several fast food places and grocery shops have also joined the Bulgarian initiative, proposing that their clients buy someone a loaf of bread or a snack.

 

That's odd...I don't see anything in the above article about the government forcing these coffee shops to support such an effort. Surely this philanthropic movement could not have come about spontaneously without any government intervention.

 

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Italian-style coffee philanthropy takes hold in Bulgaria

 

 

That's odd...I don't see anything in the above article about the government forcing these coffee shops to support such an effort. Surely this philanthropic movement could not have come about spontaneously without any government intervention.

 

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Italian-style coffee philanthropy takes hold in Bulgaria

 

 

That's odd...I don't see anything in the above article about the government forcing these coffee shops to support such an effort. Surely this philanthropic movement could not have come about spontaneously without any government intervention.

 

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One of the main problems with relying on philanthropy is that money goes to the popular causes rather than where it's actually needed. Donkey sanctuaries benefit, domestic violence centers suffer. It's an incredibly inefficient way to help those in need.

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One of the main problems with relying on philanthropy is that money goes to the popular causes rather than where it's actually needed. Donkey sanctuaries benefit, domestic violence centers suffer. It's an incredibly inefficient way to help those in need.

 

One of the main problems with relying on government is that the money goes to wasteful, absurd causes rather than where it's actually needed.

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One of the main problems with relying on government is that the money goes to wasteful, absurd causes rather than where it's actually needed.

 

Oh, hey, and we haven't even mentioned that money through the government might go disproportionately to popular causes or politically more acceptable causes or what some particularly powerful politician (President or Senator) favors or what some very small but vocal minority desires.


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Yes and money spent by private enterprise is used soooo much more wisely.
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60 Completely Outrageous Ways The U.S. Government Is Wasting Money

 

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Is there anyone better at wasting money then the U.S. government?  Despite the sequester and all of the talk about “deep cutbacks”, the federal government continues to waste money in some of the most outrageous ways imaginable.  For example, does the U.S. government really have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to study the size and shape of the reproductive organs of ducks?  Does the U.S. government really have to spend 1.5 million dollars to study why so many lesbians are overweight?  There is so much waste that could still be cut out of the federal budget, and yet the very small sequester cuts that just happened are being described as “catastrophic” by many of our politicians.  But you know what?  The federal government will still spend more money in fiscal year 2013 than it did in fiscal year 2012 even after the sequester cuts are factored in.  So if this is how much whining our politicians will do even though government spending is still going up, what would they do if we were actually forced to start living within our means at some point?  That is something to think about.  In any event, please show this article to anyone that believes that the U.S. government is actually “tightening the belt”.  Sadly, the truth is that the federal government is still wasting our money in some of the most frivolous ways that you could possibly imagine.

 

The following are some of the completely outrageous ways that the U.S. government is wasting money…

 

#1 The National Science Foundation has given $384,949 to Yale University to do a study on “Sexual Conflict, Social Behavior and the Evolution of Waterfowl Genitalia”.  Try not to laugh, but much of this research involves examining and measuring the reproductive organs of male ducks.

 

#2 The IRS spent $60,000 on a film parody of “Star Trek” and a film parody of “Gilligan’s Island”.  Internal Revenue Service employees were the actors in the two parodies, so as you can imagine the acting was really bad.

 

#3 The National Institutes of Health has given $1.5 million to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts to study why “three-quarters” of lesbians in the United States are overweight and why most gay males are not.

 

#4 The National Institutes of Health has also spent $2.7 million to study why lesbians have more “vulnerability to hazardous drinking”.

 

#5 The U.S. government is giving sixteen F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt even though the new president of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi (a member of the Muslim Brotherhood), constantly makes statements such as the following

“Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them”

 

#6 During 2012, the salaries of Barack Obama’s three climate change advisers combined came to a grand total of more than $370,000.

 

#7 Overall, 139 different White House staffers were making at least $100,000during 2012, and there were 20 staffers that made the maximum of $172,200.

 

#8 Amazingly, U.S. taxpayers spend more than 1.4 billion dollars a year on the Obamas.  Meanwhile, British taxpayers only spend about  58 million dollars on the entire royal family.

 

#9 During 2012, $25,000 of federal money was spent on a promotional tour for the Alabama Watermelon Queen.

 

#10 The U.S. government spent $505,000 “to promote specialty hair and beauty products for cats and dogs” in 2012.

 

#11 NASA spends close to a million dollars a year developing a menu of food for a manned mission to Mars even though it is being projected that a manned mission to Mars is still decades away.

 

#12 During 2012, the federal government spent 15 million dollars to help Russian weapons institutes recruit nuclear scientists.

 

#13 Over the past 15 years, a total of approximately $5.25 million has been spent on hair care services for the U.S. Senate.

 

#14 The U.S. government spent 27 million dollars to teach Moroccans how to design and make pottery in 2012.

 

#15 At a time when we have an epidemic of unemployment in the United States, the U.S. Department of Education is spending $1.3 million to “reduce linguistic, academic, and employment barriers for skilled and low-skilled immigrants and refugees, and to integrate them into the U.S. workforce and professions.”

 

#16 The federal government still sends about 20 million dollars a year to the surviving family members of veterans of World War I, even though World War I ended 94 years ago.

 

#17 The U.S. government is spending approximately 3.6 million dollars a year to support the lavish lifestyles of former presidents such as George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

 

#18 During fiscal 2012, the National Science Foundation gave researchers at Purdue University $350,000.  They used part of that money to help fund a study that discovered that if golfers imagine that a hole is bigger it will help them with their putting.

 

#19 The U.S. government is giving hundreds of millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority every year.

 

#20 Federal agencies have purchased a total of approximately 2 billion rounds of ammunition over the past 10 months.  It is claimed that all of this ammunition is needed for “training purposes”.

 

#21 During 2012, the National Science Foundation spent $516,000 on the creation of a video game called “Prom Week” which apparently simulates “all the social interactions of the event.

 

#22 If you can believe it, $10,000 of U.S. taxpayer money was actually used to purchase talking urinal cakes up in Michigan.

 

#23 When Joe Biden and his staff took a trip to London back in February, the hotel bill cost U.S. taxpayers $459,388.65.

 

#24 Joe Biden and his staff also stopped in Paris for one night back in February.  The hotel bill for that one night came to $585,000.50.

 

#25 If you can believe it, close to 15,000 retired federal employees are currently collecting federal pensions for life worth at least $100,000 annually.  That list includes such names as Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Trent Lott, Dick Gephardt and Dick Cheney.

 

#26 The U.S. Department of Agriculture has spent $300,000 to encourage Americans to eat caviar.

 

#27 The National Institutes of Health recently gave $666,905 to a group of researchers that is conducting a study on the benefits of watching reruns on television.

 

#28 The National Science Foundation has given 1.2 million dollars to a team of “scientists” that is spending part of that money on a study that is seeking to determine whether elderly Americans would benefit from playing World of Warcraft or not.

 

#29 The National Institutes of Health recently gave $548,731 to a team of researchers that concluded that those that drink heavily in their thirties also tend to feel more immature.

 

#30 The National Science Foundation recently spent $30,000 on a study to determine if “gaydar” actually exists.  This is the conclusion that the researchers reached at the end of the study….

“Gaydar is indeed real and… its accuracy is driven by sensitivity to individual facial features”

 

Here are 30 more examples of outrageous government waste from one of my previous articles entitled “Chimps Throwing Poop And 29 Other Mind Blowing Ways That The Government Is Wasting Your Money“…

 

#1 In 2011, the National Institutes of Health spent $592,527 on a study that sought to figure out once and for all why chimpanzees throw poop.

 

#2 The National Institutes of Health has spent more than 5 million dollars on a website called Sexpulse that is targeted at “men who use the Internet to seek sex with men”.  According to Fox News, the website “includes pornographic images of homosexual sex as well as naked and scantily clad men” and features “a Space Invaders-style interactive game that uses a penis-shaped blaster to shoot down gay epithets.”

 

#3 The General Services Administration spent $822,751 on a “training conference” for 300 west coast employees at the M Resort and Casino in Las Vegas.

The following is how the Washington Post described some of the wasteful expenses that happened during this “conference”…

 

Among the “excessive, wasteful and in some cases impermissable” spending the inspector general documented: $5,600 for three semi-private catered in-room parties and $44 per person daily breakfasts; $75,000 for a “team-building” exercise — the goal was to build a bicycle; $146,000 on catered food and drinks; and $6,325 on commemorative coins in velvet boxes to reward all participants for their work on stimulus projects. The $31,208 “networking” reception featured a $19-per-person artisanal cheese display and $7,000 of sushi. At the conference’s closing-night dinner, employees received “yearbooks” with their pictures, at a cost of $8,130.

 

You can see some stunning pictures of GSA employees living the high life in Las Vegas right here.

 

#4 Do you remember when credit rating agency Egan Jones downgraded U.S. government debt from AA+ to AA?  Well, someone in the federal government apparently did not like that at all.  According to Zero Hedge, the SEC plans to file charges against Egan Jones for “misstatements” on a regulatory application with the SEC.

 

Normally, the SEC does not go after anyone.  After all, when is the last time a major banker went to prison?

 

No, the truth is that the SEC is usually just a huge waste of taxpayer money.  According to ABC News, one investigation found that 17 senior SEC officials had been regularly viewing pornography while at work.  While the American people were paying their salaries, this is what senior SEC officials were busy doing…

 

One senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington spent up to eight hours a day accessing Internet porn, according to the report, which has yet to be released. When he filled all the space on his government computer with pornographic images, he downloaded more to CDs and DVDs that accumulated in boxes in his offices.

 

An SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1,800 times in a two-week period and had 600 pornographic images on her computer hard drive.

 

Another SEC accountant used his SEC-issued computer to upload his own sexually explicit videos onto porn websites he joined.

 

And another SEC accountant attempted to access porn sites 16,000 times in a single month.

 

#5 According to InformationWeek, the federal government is spending “millions of dollars” to train Asian call center workers.

 

#6 If you can believe it, the federal government has actually spent $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.

 

#7 The U.S. Agency for International Development spent 10 million dollars to create a version of “Sesame Street” for Pakistani television.

 

#8 The Obama administration has plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars to help students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

 

#9 The National Science Foundation spent $198,000 on a University of California-Riverside study that explored “motivations, expectations and goal pursuit in social media.” One of the questions the study sought an answer to was the following: “Do unhappy people spend more time on Twitter or Facebook?”

 

#10 The federal government actually has spent $175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”.

 

#11 In 2011, $147,138 was given to the American Museum of Magic in Marshall, Michigan.  Their best magic trick is making U.S. taxpayer dollars disappear.

 

#12 The federal government recently spent $74,000 to help Michigan “increase awareness about the role Michigan plays in the production of trees and poinsettias.”

 

#13 In 2011, the federal government gave $550,000 toward the making of a documentary about how rock and roll contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

#14 The National Institutes of Health has contributed $55,382 toward a study of “hookah smoking habits” in the country of Jordan.

 

#15 The federal government gave $606,000 to researchers at Columbia University to study how heterosexuals use the Internet to find love.

 

#16 A total of $133,277 was recently given to the International Center for the History of Electronic Games for video game preservation.  The International Center for the History of Electronic Games says that it “collects, studies, and interprets video games, other electronic games, and related materials and the ways in which electronic games are changing how people play, learn, and connect with each other, including across boundaries of culture and geography.”

 

#17 The federal government has given approximately $3 million to researchers at the University of California at Irvine to fund their research into video games such as World of Warcraft.

 

#18 In 2011, the National Science Foundation gave one team of researchers$149,990 to create a video game called “RapidGuppy” for cell phones and other mobile devices.

 

#19 The U.S. Department of Agriculture once handed researchers at the University of New Hampshire $700,000 to study methane gas emissions from dairy cows.

 

#20 In 2011, $936,818 was spent developing an online soap opera entitled “Diary of a Single Mom”.  The show “chronicles the lives and challenges of three single mothers and their families trying to get ahead despite obstacles that all single mothers face, such as childcare, healthcare, education, and finances.”

 

#21 The federal government once shelled out $2.6 million to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly.

 

#22 Last year, the federal government spent $96,000 to buy iPads for kindergarten students in Maine.

 

#23 The U.S. Postal Service once spent $13,500 for a single dinner at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse.

 

#24 In 2011, the Air Force Academy completed work on an outdoor worship area for pagans and Wiccans.  The worship area consists of “a small Stonehenge-like circle of boulders with [a] propane fire pit” and it cost $51,474to build.  The worship area is “for the handful of current or future cadets whose religions fall under the broad category of ‘Earth-based’, which includes Wiccans, druids and pagans.”  At this point, that only includes 3 current students at the Air Force Academy.

 

#25 The National Institutes of Health once gave researchers $400,000 to study why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

 

#26 The National Institutes of Health once gave researchers $442,340 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam.

 

#27 The National Institutes of Health once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

 

#28 The National Science Foundation recently spent $200,000 on a study that examined how voters react when politicians change their stances on climate change.

 

#29 The federal government recently spent $484,000 to help build a Mellow Mushroom pizzeria in Arlington, Texas.

 

#30 At this point, China is holding over a trillion dollars of U.S. government debt.  But that didn’t stop the United States from sending 17.8 million dollars in foreign aid to China in 2011.


Now, add all those things together. When you do, you might find that government is not the problem, guns are.

 

 

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Firearms-related deaths cost the U.S. health care system and economy $37 billion in 2005, the most recent year for which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted an estimate. The cost of those who survive gun violence came to another $3.7 billion that year, according to the CDC.

So, the cost of the gun free-for-all in the US is an the several billions per year. The cost in Japan is probably less than $100k.

 

And you talk about government waste.

 

Oh, and by the way, lives are wasted too.

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Now, add all those things together. When you do, you might find that government is not the problem, guns are.

 

 

So, the cost of the gun free-for-all in the US is an the several billions per year. The cost in Japan is probably less than $100k.

 

And you talk about government waste.

 

Oh, and by the way, lives are wasted too.

 

If you are truly concerned about human lives and cost, why not focus on medical errors? They account for many more lives and many more billions of dollars than those "evil" guns.

 

By one estimate...

 

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The Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) seminal study of preventable medical errors estimated as many as 98,000 people die every year at a cost of $29 billion. If the Centers for Disease Control were to include preventable medical errors as a category, these conclusions would make it the sixth leading cause of death in America.

 

But I digress. This was merely another poor attempt on your part to derail the thread.

 

And you do realize that list of 60 items is not all inclusive, right? I'm sure there are far more wasteful things the government isn't even telling us about - probably under the guise of "national security" or other such lies.

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Now, add all those things together. When you do, you might find that government is not the problem, guns are.

 

 

So, the cost of the gun free-for-all in the US is an the several billions per year. The cost in Japan is probably less than $100k.

 

And you talk about government waste.

 

Oh, and by the way, lives are wasted too.

 

If you are truly concerned about human lives and cost, why not focus on medical errors? They account for many more lives and many more billions of dollars than those "evil" guns.

 

By one estimate...

 

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The Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) seminal study of preventable medical errors estimated as many as 98,000 people die every year at a cost of $29 billion. If the Centers for Disease Control were to include preventable medical errors as a category, these conclusions would make it the sixth leading cause of death in America.

 

Superficially that's a fair question to raise but, for the purposes of figuring out how to mitigate the effects, it's not a good comparison to equate death and injury due to accident or error (medical mistakes, auto accidents - the usual list) with death and injury due to deliberate action (violent crime). Those are quite different categories of problem (accidental vs. intentional), with quite different strategies required to address them. And while medical errors may cause more deaths, to take that line of thinking to its logical extreme one could argue that we should throw all our resources at trying to cure aging since it is by far the most prevalent cause of death, which, while obviously a foolish suggestion, indicates the other required element - the cost/benefit analysis.

 

Huge resources are already directed at training medical staff. More could be spent, of course, but who would pay?  Gun control, on the other hand, that leads to fewer gun related murders and fewer murders overall per capita in all developed countries that have it (which is pretty much all apart from the US), is not particularly expensive (except to the gun manufacturers) and mostly not implemented at all.

 

So I would argue that the question, in reality, is just an attempt to deflect attention - that those who argue this point do not really want to spend more on preventing medical errors and do not really care about the cost of gun control, but simply wish to preserve, at all costs and with no allowance to consider changing circumstances, an anachronistic unrestricted right to bear arms.

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